Bernie Sanders for President

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NorthReport

Thanks krop.

And I just found this website as well.

WILL YOU BE ABLE TO Vote for Bernie?

http://voteforbernie.org/

NorthReport

Wow, and I mean wow!

Is Obama needed to save Hillary and would he actually do that as could that possibly rip the Democratic party into pieces?

Hillary Battles Bernie Sanders, Chick Magnet

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/sunday/hillary-battles-bernie-...

voice of the damned

takeitslowly wrote:

i heard from another ndp voter that trudeau is like bernie sanders, i am so tired of it. canadians are so stupid and ignorant. its hopeless

Well, it's an article of smug faith among certain Canadian liberals(small l) that all of our politicians are to the left of any American politician. You know, the old "Our Conservatives would be Democrats if they were down there!!"

I never really bought that as an absolute formula(Rob Ford is to the left of Elizabeth Warren?), but if you're someone who takes it as unquestionable catechism, it's not gonna compute in your brain that the Democratic primaries could feature a major candidate who is to the left of a Liberal Prime Minister. At most, you might concede that the Democrat and the Liberal are about the same, which is what these Trudeau/Sanders enthusiasts you've met seem to think.

NorthReport

I'm glad to see Sanders including working people with the middle class folks in his speeches as all this crap about only middle class far from covers it.

Sanders: NH can be first step in ‘political revolution’

“No president, not Bernie Sanders or anybody else can bring about the changes that the middle class and working families desperately need,” Sanders said at at the McIntyre-Shaheen 100 Club Celebration in Manchester, N.H., according to the Times-Picayune.

“And the reason for that is the powers that be — Wall Street, corporate America, the corporate media, the Koch brothers — are so powerful that the only way we create the change that we need is through a political revolution,” he added. The self-proclaimed democratic socialist said the first shots of that revolution can be fired Tuesday at the New Hampshire primary. “That means that the millions and millions of people throughout our country, including many who have given up on the political process, the many who think their vote, their voice no longer matters ... need to, with a very loud voice, be heard on Tuesday in New Hampshire and heard all over this country,” he said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/268484-sanders-nh-can-...

NorthReport

So realistically, who is going to win in NH and by how much? I still say to the Republicans though: be careful what you ask for as it may well come back to bite you in the ass.

Bernie Sanders 'political revolution' threatens to overtake Hillary Clinton

Vermont senator is expected to win Tuesday's primary election in New Hampshire, but margin of victory could be crucial in race for Democratic nomination

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/12144153/Bernie-Sa...

NorthReport

Outrage builds over wealthy families in public housing

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/268409-outrage-builds-over-...

bekayne

kropotkin1951 wrote:

 

It is my understanding that each state has its own process and the actual rules vary. Some states do not even require a membership in the party conducting the primary.

Not only that, states can have their own rules for Presidential elections. States rights, you know.

voice of the damned

Just saw this on wikipedia...

"Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, by which point he was too old to be drafted."

In the US(also according to wiki), conscientious objectors must be "opposed to war in any form". This would seem to preclude support for even the most minimally active military. I wonder if anyone has asked Sanders if he still holds to those views.

NorthReport

Justin Bamberg, lawyer for the family of Walter Scott of South Carolina who initially was supporting Clinton has now switched to supporting Sanders.

Prominent South Carolina Democrat Drops Clinton Endorsement to Back Sanders

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/25/walter_scott_attorney_...

NorthReport

Why Bernie Sanders Needs to Talk About Voting Rights

As the first primary approaches, the Vermont senator has a chance to own an issue that is essential to his "revolution."

https://newrepublic.com/article/129320/bernie-sanders-needs-talk-voting-...

bekayne

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/268498-gloria-steinem-...

Feminist activist Gloria Steinem on Friday suggested that young women support Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders over rival Hillary Clinton because they want to meet boys. 

monty1

voice of the damned wrote:
Just saw this on wikipedia...

 

"Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, by which point he was too old to be drafted."

 

In the US(also according to wiki), conscientious objectors must be "opposed to war in any form". This would seem to preclude support for even the most minimally active military. I wonder if anyone has asked Sanders if he still holds to those views.

In that country he's going to be condemned and demonized for saying he's against wars so he'll hedge it somehow. As he needs to hedge on his support for fighting the US's proclaimed enemies. Political suicide ya know, whiich escapes the imaginations of so many people on this board. 

Sanders has to make sure he's got enough people behind him in his outrageious views and agenda. Then he will be safe in saying it all and telling them all about how socialism is a normal part of a capitalist system. He's not untouchable so Clinton's army will scorre some points against him. Same as they scorre some points against Trudeau. Canadians won't even support bringing the 6 bombers home!

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/07/sand-o07.html

voice of the damned

monty1 wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:
Just saw this on wikipedia...

 

"Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, by which point he was too old to be drafted."

 

In the US(also according to wiki), conscientious objectors must be "opposed to war in any form". This would seem to preclude support for even the most minimally active military. I wonder if anyone has asked Sanders if he still holds to those views.

In that country he's going to be condemned and demonized for saying he's against wars so he'll hedge it somehow.

In fairness, I don't think there are many countries in the world where saying that you are morally opposed to the very concept of a military would be anything but an automatic career-killer. I, personally, would not vote for such a candidate.

NorthReport

Bernie’s Vermont

A visual diary of four decades' worth of neighbors, constituents and sparring partners—and what they really thought of Bernie Sanders.

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/gallery/2016/02/bernie-sanders-vermont-...

NorthReport
NorthReport

Bill Maher gives Bernie Sanders a full-throated ‘F*ck yeah!’ endorsement as Commander in Chief  Laughing

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/bill-maher-gives-bernie-sanders-a-full-t...

NorthReport

Bernie Sanders predicts a close race in New Hampshire
 Sanders predicts close race in New Hampshire_00000111

     

 

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/06/sotu-tapper-sanders-predic...

NorthReport

Is the US ready for a socialist president? Sanders might be about to find out

The Vermont senator has never hidden his views but his proposed policies to overhaul tuition fees and healthcare have branded him a dangerous extremist

Dr Krissy Haglund does not care if she is labeled a socialist. Or an ideological purist. Or, indeed, any of the other epithets thrown at Americans who are flocking to support Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination. She knows what she is: fed up.

On the campaign bus with Bernie Sanders: 'I am moved by the passion' Read more

“I have patients who are deciding not to have children or are unable to buy a house because of their student loans,” says the family physician from Minneapolis, who this week drove four hours with her two children to see the senator speak in Iowa.

“My loan is now $283,000,” she says. “It’s gone up $60,000 in the six years since I graduated from medical school. This is a national crisis that needs deep, immediate attention.”


 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/bernie-sanders-america-re...

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monty1

voice of the damned wrote:
monty1 wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:
Just saw this on wikipedia...

 

"Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, by which point he was too old to be drafted."

 

In the US(also according to wiki), conscientious objectors must be "opposed to war in any form". This would seem to preclude support for even the most minimally active military. I wonder if anyone has asked Sanders if he still holds to those views.

In that country he's going to be condemned and demonized for saying he's against wars so he'll hedge it somehow.

 

In fairness, I don't think there are many countries in the world where saying that you are morally opposed to the very concept of a military would be anything but an automatic career-killer. I, personally, would not vote for such a candidate.

What's my comment got to do with having a military? Are you prowar and trying to make excuses for the US and Canada taking part in phony US led wars in the ME so they can capture this year's cabbage crop?

NorthReport

So Bernie is picking up support elsewhere it seems.  Smile

Sanders gaining support but still trails in Pennsylvania 

http://www.meadvilletribune.com/news/local_news/sanders-gaining-support-...

Brachina

NorthReport wrote:

Thanks for your comments MegB

Let the ironic male tears fall: The “make rape legal” guys cancel meetups because they don’t feel safe

In hilarious news, Roosh V's "heterosexual, masculine men" will not be gathering in 43 countries this weekend

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/04/let_the_ironic_male_tears_fall_the_make_...

 Roosh V is an attention seeking asshole, he was never serious about a meet up or the legalizing rape, let me remind you he's not an MRA, so why do people continue to feed this guys thirst for negative attention, your letting him manipulate you.

Aristotleded24

NorthReport wrote:
So is this just more of the hype that not so subtly supports Clinton?

Bernie Sanders Needs A Big Win In New Hampshire

But how big is “big”?

He needs to essentially crush Clinton in New Hampshire. Already we were seeing the pundits write off the strong showing in Iowa because of few black people and that Iowa being a Liberal state (although how a state that went for Bush in 2004 and is currently represented at the state and federal levels by Republicans is a mystery to me) it is natural that he would do well there, among his own crowd. New Hampshire is in his back yard, and they know him well. There's no doubt in my mind that Sanders will win New Hampshire mathematically, but if it's too close, they'll start saying, "Sanders had a hard time among his own people, he's not going to do that well among people he has to win over."

Brachina

 If Gloria Steinem is going to turn this into a whole feminism vs. Bernie thing is going to do alot of damage to feminism, because if young women have to choose between feminism and a free college education and a future, guess what they'll pick (hint its not feminism).

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

voice of the damned wrote:

In fairness, I don't think there are many countries in the world where saying that you are morally opposed to the very concept of a military would be anything but an automatic career-killer. I, personally, would not vote for such a candidate.

Canada has not had a politician that was an avowed pacifist since J.S. Woodsworth. I am not sure if he would have agreed that defending ones country counted. I am pretty sure Bernie even during the Vietnam War would have not tried to argue for no military only no foreign wars.

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He failed, as he did in the CCF National Council in Sept 1939 which gave limited support to a Canadian declaration of war. "M.J."Coldwell stated the official CCF position in the special parliamentary session while Woodsworth was permitted to explain his dissent. Reviewing the interwar period and repeating that war settles nothing, Woodsworth declared: "I rejoice that it is possible to say these things in a Canadian parliament under British institutions. It would not be possible in Germany, I recognize that ... and I want to maintain the very essence of our British institutions of real liberty. I believe that the only way to do it is by an appeal to the moral forces which are still resident among our people, and not by another resort to brute force." He alone rose to record his opposition to the declaration of war. In 1940 Woodsworth won his last election with a sharply reduced majority. He was already weakened by a stroke and died in the spring of 1942.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/james-shaver-woodsworth/

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Ya, I kind of have to think that even Sanders might understand taking up arms when genuinely and directly attacked.

But to say "let's not throw a dart at a map and then go looking for trouble there" might finally resonate with some Americans.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

81 year old woman who has been an activist for all her adult life basically says that activist, progressive, young women are airheads who are driven by hormones. I think it might become a good thing for Bernie. It seems to me to be a mild version of slut shaming,"they are only there for the boys.".

Is it really unthinkable to her that those young women are in control of themselves and knowledgeable about the issues and just think that Bernie is a better candidate than a woman who has sold her soul to Wall Street.

Brachina

A lot of people on men's rights subbreddit are backing Bernie Sanders, so much for the theory that MRAs are all rightwing knuckle draggers.

tinyurl.com/zuefqvf

 Note the rightwinger on the subreddit whose so pissed off at how leftwing Men's Rights Subreddit is.

 

 PS I beat the system, I found a way to post links via tinyurl.com so if anyone else was having a problem copy pasting links to rabble that's the solution.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Your link doesn't work.  Undecided

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Quote:
It seems to me to be a mild version of slut shaming,"they are only there for the boys.".

Must be tough being a young woman, and knowing your only possible hope of hooking up with a young man is by supporting Sanders.

NorthReport

Let's hear from women about this eh!

Brachina wrote:

 If Gloria Steinem is going to turn this into a whole feminism vs. Bernie thing is going to do alot of damage to feminism, because if young women have to choose between feminism and a free college education and a future, guess what they'll pick (hint its not feminism).

monty1

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Ya, I kind of have to think that even Sanders might understand taking up arms when genuinely and directly attacked.

But to say "let's not throw a dart at a map and then go looking for trouble there" might finally resonate with some Americans.

the trouble with your comment is that the US hasn't been genuinely attacked and isn't going to be. Period. Unless you are going along with their playbook that says they had to go into Afghanistan to destroy that country too, and murder thousands to get Bin Laden.

Say it magoo! 

the pretty paint is starting to wear off some of you NDP'ers now. No wonder I couldn't find any common ground.

NorthReport

Bernie’s army: Young voters propel unlikely Sanders rise

Bernie Sanders is poised for victory in Tuesday’s primary in New Hampshire. Here’s why millennials support him.

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/02/06/bernies-army-young-voters-p...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Ya, I kind of have to think that even Sanders might understand taking up arms when genuinely and directly attacked.

But to say "let's not throw a dart at a map and then go looking for trouble there" might finally resonate with some Americans.

He is the least belligerent American Presidential hopeful since Jimmy Carter. Since I missed it I was wondering when did you finally admit you are a warmongering NDP supporter.

Obama on the other hand was an imperialist warmonger while he ran for President and Clinton (take your pick of which one) is/was another imperialist. They all talk about American Exceptionalism but so far I haven't heard Sanders use that term.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Brachina wrote:

A lot of people on men's rights subbreddit are backing Bernie Sanders, so much for the theory that MRAs are all rightwing knuckle draggers.

tinyurl.com/zuefqvf

 Note the rightwinger on the subreddit whose so pissed off at how leftwing Men's Rights Subreddit is.

 

 PS I beat the system, I found a way to post links via tinyurl.com so if anyone else was having a problem copy pasting links to rabble that's the solution.

 

You keep on looking out for those poor MRA's

 

ugh

Aristotleded24

Since the issue of Sander's foreign policy views has come up, he did back Bill Clinton's military air strikes in Kosovo.

voice of the damned

monty1 wrote:

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Ya, I kind of have to think that even Sanders might understand taking up arms when genuinely and directly attacked.

But to say "let's not throw a dart at a map and then go looking for trouble there" might finally resonate with some Americans.

the trouble with your comment is that the US hasn't been genuinely attacked and isn't going to be. Period. Unless you are going along with their playbook that says they had to go into Afghanistan to destroy that country too, and murder thousands to get Bin Laden.

Say it magoo! 

the pretty paint is starting to wear off some of you NDP'ers now. No wonder I couldn't find any common ground.

I didn't see where Magoo was saying that the USA has been genuinely attacked. I think he just meant that Sanders personal view is probably that he WOULD support the use of military-force IF the USA were genuinely attacked. That being in response to my suggestion that, as a applicant for conscientious-objection, Sanders would have to be opposed to fighting even in self-defense.

That said, contra Magoo, my understanding is that, at least in the US, a conscientious-objector has to be opposed to ALL wars, and isn't allowed exceptions, even along the lines of national self-defense.

Aristotled's point about Sanders' support for the Kosovo strikes is quite relevant here, since Sanders could argue, quite plausibly, that it proves that as POTUS he'd have no agenda to abolish the military, as he had no objection to using it as far back as 1996.

NorthReport

Quite the contrast between Sanders and the GOP approach

Sanders won't call for release of Clinton's bank speech transcripts

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/07/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-ba...

lagatta

Cripes, one can be a feminist and support Bernie Sanders. One can also be a feminist and like boys, or girls, or both... Brachina, your antifeminism slip is showing...

The "Downfall" meme is definitely over the top here, but we might as well enjoy it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxzAaMG8V6Q

NorthReport

Sanders 'astounded’ by attacks from Clinton ally

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/268550-sanders-as...

mark_alfred

kropotkin1951 wrote:

81 year old woman who has been an activist for all her adult life basically says that activist, progressive, young women are airheads who are driven by hormones. I think it might become a good thing for Bernie. It seems to me to be a mild version of slut shaming,"they are only there for the boys.".

Is it really unthinkable to her that those young women are in control of themselves and knowledgeable about the issues and just think that Bernie is a better candidate than a woman who has sold her soul to Wall Street.

It was a light-hearted comment.  Steinem did a great interview and made some very good points.  Her thoughts that (in general) women get more radical as they get older because they lose power as they age, whereas men get more conservative as they get older because they gain clout as they age, is an interesting idea.  Not sure I agree, but it's an interesting idea. 

NorthReport

There is some talk in Democratic establishment circles that Joe Biden might reconsider and enter the race due to Clinton's faltering campaign. Sanders should get down on his knees and pray for it to happen.  Laughing

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

mark_alfred wrote:

It was a light-hearted comment.  Steinem did a great interview and made some very good points.  Her thoughts that (in general) women get more radical as they get older because they lose power as they age, whereas men get more conservative as they get older because they gain clout as they age, is an interesting idea.  Not sure I agree, but it's an interesting idea. 

I watched part of the interview and thought that particular idea was interesting. But it seems to me that when taken with her flippant "their there for the boys" she seems to be saying that she wants young women to be more conservative just like her and Hillary. I think if I was a young woman working on Sanders campaign her remarks would be deeply offensive. If those same remarks were made by an old guy they would be seen as exceedingly sexist.

monty1

voice of the damned wrote:
monty1 wrote:

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Ya, I kind of have to think that even Sanders might understand taking up arms when genuinely and directly attacked.

But to say "let's not throw a dart at a map and then go looking for trouble there" might finally resonate with some Americans.

the trouble with your comment is that the US hasn't been genuinely attacked and isn't going to be. Period. Unless you are going along with their playbook that says they had to go into Afghanistan to destroy that country too, and murder thousands to get Bin Laden.

Say it magoo! 

the pretty paint is starting to wear off some of you NDP'ers now. No wonder I couldn't find any common ground.

 

I didn't see where Magoo was saying that the USA has been genuinely attacked. I think he just meant that Sanders personal view is probably that he WOULD support the use of military-force IF the USA were genuinely attacked. That being in response to my suggestion that, as a applicant for conscientious-objection, Sanders would have to be opposed to fighting even in self-defense.

 

That said, contra Magoo, my understanding is that, at least in the US, a conscientious-objector has to be opposed to ALL wars, and isn't allowed exceptions, even along the lines of national self-defense.

 

Aristotled's point about Sanders' support for the Kosovo strikes is quite relevant here, since Sanders could argue, quite plausibly, that it proves that as POTUS he'd have no agenda to abolish the military, as he had no objection to using it as far back as 1996.

What magoo said has now morphed too far out of reality in several translations. Go back and see how he committed himself to being a supporter of US led wars. Kosovo was 99 and nearly all the Dems supported it but fewer R's supported it because the most important thing about a president getting support for their wars is their party affiliation. And of course it was a phony war too. 

Always look at whether or not the US demonizes the victim country's leader in order to determine the wars validity. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The difference between Clinton and Sanders on foreign policy is real and potentially could mean a major shift in global politics. If Hillary wins she will continue on as a pro-war advocate for the military industrial complex. Hopefully Sanders will at least be as peace loving as Carter who of all the post-WWII Presidents attacked the fewest countries.

Quote:

Hillary's record as Secretary of State is among the most militaristic, and disastrous, of modern US history. Some experience. Hilary was a staunch defender of the military-industrial-intelligence complex at every turn, helping to spread the Iraq mayhem over a swath of violence that now stretches from Mali to Afghanistan. Two disasters loom largest: Libya and Syria.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-is-the-candidate_b_9...

NorthReport

Why This New Hampshire Democrat Is Throwing His Hat In The Ring For Sanders

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/new-hampshire-democrat-bernie-sanders

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..some differences between what is said on the campaing trail and true positions.

Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight.

 

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

Talking about artful smears Hillary needs to back off on her nonsensical suggestions that Bernie would dismantle Obamacare and leaves millions that presently have heathcare without healthcare in the process to acquire universal healthcare.

Bernie helped to write the Obamacare legislation but says there are still 29 million without coverage. 

Why should she back off if she can sell her phony rhetoric to the people?

What needs to happen is that MSM outlets such as MSNBC need to come to the realization that Bernis is a serious contender and stop the outright biased support of Clinton and the bashing on Sanders. They will when they find that they are out of step with the left and not before. Socislism, the word, is now hanging on the balance beam of public opinion. Is it a bad word or has it become an acceptable word in that country. Likely it is still a bad word because they aren't nearly as *progressive as we in Canada. Bernie can't do it without the leftist MSM at least backing off. It's a self fulfilling prophecy for them though.

When all the socalled news shows come back on the air on Monday, we'll probably see then if they are going to climb on the Sanders bandwagon or not. Ratings are far more important than any silly race to be pres. 

* I never use the word in anything other than it's true definition. No US bullshit.

voice of the damned

monty1 wrote:

* I never use the word in anything other than it's true definition. No US bullshit.

So what's the true definition of "progressive" in Canada? Among other things, it refers to a political ideology rooted in agrarianism, which found a following in the party bearing the same name.

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