Bernie Sanders for President

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voice of the damned

kropotkin1951 wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

Well, let's put it this way. Obama announced his support for marriage equality in May 2012, and managed to win the next election with only a slightly reduced majority. Not that most of his supporters were neccesaarily voting FOR marriage equality, just that they obviously weren't voting AGAINST it.

Before Svend became the first openly gay MP by announcing the obvious many of his advisers said it would cost him votes and they needed his voice so don't take the chance. The next election he increased his winning margin because people like politicians who are willing to stand for what they believe in even if it is not the majority view.

I remember when that happened very well. Later that week, I saw some old Tommy Douglas campaign signs tossed into someone's garbage can(in Edmonton). Obviously, he'd been hanging onto them since at least the late 60s, and just coincidentally chose that week to toss them out.

But I agree, it didn't hurt Svend or the NDP very much at all, in the big picture.

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

I wish.

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Have Defeated Hillary Clinton's Political Machine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-and-elizab_1_b_...

The great thing about that link is that the huffington post is on the roll! 

This could be it folks. This could bring Elizabeth! And onlly the most jaded bastards wouldn't see that as the dream team!

which unfortunately a lot of the people in that country are.

NorthReport

If Sanders were by some miracle to win the Democratic nomination, choosing who his VP running mate would be, would become a huge issue in the presidential election because of his age. 

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After almost 30 years in the CIA, Ray McGovern became a truth-teller. He sits down with Salon for a long debriefing

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contrarianna

kropotkin1951 wrote:

VoD that is very true. 

It isn't as bad as Tommy Douglas who during his time in politics believed homosexuality, even though decriminalized, should be “recognized for what it is — a mental illness, a psychiatric condition, which ought to be treated sympathetically by psychiatrists and social workers?”‘ Of course that was not his view at the end of his career.

Your objection is valid and its like my objection, as an advocate for people with disabilities, to the cult of Nellie McClung.

The habit of judging  the historical opinions of people by today's conventions can be problematic, it's as if any comtemporary consensus of progressive opinion exists ahistorically for the past --and future.  I have no doubt that if (by some remote chance) civilization survives, many of our cherished progressive truisms no longer will be.
 
Douglas's remark was on the progressive end of mainstream opinion for its day (1968) made  during the debate of Trudeau's bill decriminalizing homosexuality (which of course Douglas voted for). Douglas's opinion was in keeping with the "best" and "most authoritive" medical opinion of the day.
Years later:

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In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder.[3] The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[4] Thereafter other major mental health organizations followed, including the World Health Organization in 1990.

Even more distressing to ahistorical progressives (as well his gleeful detractors) are his statements on eugenic and sterilization of "sub-humans" written in his 1933 masters thesis.  Those shocking  words were also  unremarkable mainstream sentiment at the height  eugenics "scientific" adoption widely institutionalized in universities and many  modern governments --including formally in some of Canada's provinces. Eugenics ony really became general anathema to progressives after its particularly sordid preditations the Hitler regime.

NorthReport

Excellent slogan "A future to believe in"

NorthReport

Is Tommy Douglas the closest thing we have had to a Bernie Sanders?

 

Bernie Sanders just set an impossibly ambitious goal to reverse mass incarceration

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/8/10937468/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

Is Tommy Douglas the closest thing we have had to a Bernie Sanders?

 

Bernie Sanders just set an impossibly ambitious goal to reverse mass incarceration

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/8/10937468/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

That's being really quite naive. It's an insult to Tommy Douglas. You people need to adopt a bit of a nuanced approach to your politics. Just because Hillary Clinton is one of the worst fu--ing warmongers the Dem party has ever seen doesn't mean that somebody running against her could ever come close to Tommy Douglas. FWIW, Canada's favourite person. 

lagatta

One funny note is Bill's "North Woods" lumberjack shirt: bill clinton new hampshire primary

NorthReport

So if Sanders does have a respectable showing in New Hampshire will a lot more Democrats begin to give him serious consideration as their presidential candidate?

In the age of all-American anger: Bernie Sanders, “The Big Short” & a nation that’s had it up to here

Nearly a decade after plutocrats exploded the economy, we're just as unequal as ever — and people are fed up

 

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/08/in_the_age_of_all_american_anger_bernie_...

NorthReport

Will clowns like this help or hurt the opposition to Bernie? So far Bill's absurd comments appear to be hurting Hillary's campaign, and it is kinda strange that Hillary relies on right-wingers like Brock to help try and bolster her campaign.

Brock: Time for Bernie's 'purity bubble' to be burst

The comments from the conservative-turned-Clinton ally followed the delivery of the former president’s ratcheted-up rhetoric just before the Super Bowl Sunday. The strongly-worded speech landed not long after tensions reach a boiling point in the Democratic primary, particularly after the two candidates clashed onstage at Thursday night’s debate, when Clinton said Sanders’ suggestions that she is beholden to Wall Street was an “artful smear."

While some Clinton allies were happy to see the Big Dog turn attack dog, others had immediate flashbacks to 2008, when his harsh criticisms of Barack Obama backfired, particularly in South Carolina. But Clinton loyalists point to 2012 — when the former president stepped in to help Obama — as a more favorable comparison to Clinton’s role. (Sanders’ campaign didn’t respond to a request for a response to Clinton or Brock.)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-brock-bernie-sanders-218954

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

"I cut down trees, I skip and jump
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars."

NorthReport

Sanders appears to have the answers voters want in relation to the Clinton and other attacks on him saying his revolution is credible just as the civil rights movement, the women's movement, the gay rights movement, etc. are credible.

 

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He casts his "revolution" in a long line of social movements that have reshaped American society, citing the progress made by civil rights activists, feminists and gay rights advocates. He argues that if voters line up behind him and fight for his plans, their collective power can overcome political intransigency, big campaign donors and special interests.

"Every day the media asks: `Your ideas are so ambitious, how are you going to get them done?"' he said. "We will get them done because people are going to demand that we get them done."

http://www.whdh.com/story/31162618/sanders-returns-to-nh-clinton-heads-t...

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

monty1 wrote:

That's being really quite naive. It's an insult to Tommy Douglas. You people need to adopt a bit of a nuanced approach to your politics. Just because Hillary Clinton is one of the worst fu--ing warmongers the Dem party has ever seen doesn't mean that somebody running against her could ever come close to Tommy Douglas. FWIW, Canada's favourite person. 

Pro-tip, Monty. If you want to avoid flame wars and you see yourself typing "you people", delete it and re-think how to express your thought.

NorthReport

Good response.

Bernie Sanders’ campaign responds to ‘unfortunate’ attack from Bill Clinton

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-responds-to-unfor...

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Sanders live on CNN now

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Bernie Sanders Draws Animated Crowds in N.H.

The events come the day before the New Hampshire primary.

http://www.necn.com/news/politics/Bernie-Sanders-Holds-Event-in-New-Hamp...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

"I cut down trees, I skip and jump
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars."

One of my favourite Monty songs and one of the highlights of the George Harrison tribute since it was his favourite also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq_0GKqSii8

 

NorthReport

Meet the Canadian taking U.S. citizenship to vote for Bernie Sanders

Canadian-born Kim De Lutis is so keen to vote for Bernie Sanders she’s applying for dual citizenship.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/02/08/meet-the-canadian-taking-u...

NorthReport

US Election 2016: How Bernie Sanders captured the hearts of America's idealists

How has a self-confessed socialist gathered so much support in a country where socialism is a dirty word? David Usborne reports from New Hampshire

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/us-electio...

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Bernie Sanders plays both preacher and therapist for N.H. crowd

http://www.thedp.com/article/2016/02/bernie-sanders-rally-new-hampshire

josh

I look for Sanders to win in New Hampshire about 55-45.

NorthReport

josh

That seems about right as the last 3 polls show an average of about 10% lead for Sanders although it may be less as there appears to be a large group of independents in NH who may shift their vote to another party at the last minute.

Policywonk

NorthReport wrote:

josh

That seems about right as the last 3 polls show an average of about 10% lead for Sanders although it may be less as there appears to be a large group of independents in NH who may shift their vote to another party at the last minute.

Some polls show a much larger lead (up to 32 percent). And in other news there are two national polls with the margin of three points or less.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democra...

Interesting that RCP doesn't have the Ipsos/Reuters Poll.

 

 

 

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I've spent too much time deliberating about monty1 and concluded that I would never get that wasted time back. I banned him, because fuck it, but also because he seems to show contempt for babble and has an appreciation for his own intellect that could only be equalled by a white teenage boy. The way I see it, this is a win-win: he gets to wear his banning like a badge of honour, and we don't have to read his drivel anymore.

Complaints, as always, to catchfire[at]rabble.ca.

ETA: Just read Gustave's veiled threats to lagatta and Brachina's flounce too. Wow! What a thread. Consider those guys gone too.

lagatta

What (and whom) should we hunker down with?

NorthReport

The eyes of our planet will be on Bernie tonite.  Smile

Could be record turnout.

Some polling hours might be extended tonite to ensure everyone in line can get in to vote

mark_alfred
NorthReport

I know unfortunately it's probably a fantasy but imagine a Bernie Sanders presidency. Gotta love all those young voters.

Sanders is going to be huddling with Al Sharpton tomorrow, and will be on The View and Stephen Colbert tonite.

lagatta, I'm sure lots of Quebecois will be watching tonite with interest.

NorthReport

A lot of polls are not even closed yet.

NorthReport

Sanders at 61% from one ward in central NH

mark_alfred

Trump apparently is also predicted to win in New Hampshire.

NorthReport

Sanders people: it is now a national campaign  Smile

lagatta

Those are our neighbours! If you remember brebis noire, she is from a region that looks just like Vermont. I have other friends there too, and of course there is the local committee for Raif Badawi...

Montréal is the closest large city to Burlington Vt. Much closer than Boston, and certainly than NYC.They are at the other end of Lake Champlain.

Sherbrooke has taken in a lot of refugees for a small city, making it somewhat less lily-white (except for the small Abenakis First Nation). I think Burlington might have done the same.

NorthReport

Sanders has 58% with 16% lead now

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

NorthReport

Sanders beats Clinton in New Hampshire

The race was called as soon as the final polls closed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/new-hampshire-2016-democrats-218948

NorthReport

59% to 42%, now 17% lead for Sanders

josh

NorthReport wrote:

59% to 42%, now 17% lead for Sanders

59-40.

NorthReport

If Sanders 18% lead hold the Clintons will have been dealt a major blow, and it definitely will now become a national campaign. But to win Bernie has to win big to offset Clinton's superdelegates. It would be sweet for Elizabeth Warren to join the revolution now.

HARRY ENTEN 8:00 PM

ABC News has officially called the New Hampshire Democratic primary for Bernie Sanders. We gave Sanders a greater than 99 percent chance of winning the state, so this isn’t much of a surprise. Still, it’s quite something that someone who wasn’t even a member of the Democratic Party until a few months ago is going to win the first primary on the calendar — and by what looks to be a convincing margin. I don’t think many people would have thought that a democratic socialist would do as well as Sanders is doing. Sanders obviously won’t be on such friendly ground in the Nevada caucuses or South Carolina primary, but the idea that Hillary Clinton is going to put Sanders away anytime soon seems far-fetched.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/new-hampshire-primary-presidential-...

NorthReport

Sanders now has 60% support in the NH vote count. If that huge defeat for Clinton holds tonite, Sanders will be by far the biggest news of the evening.

Imagine 60%. Feel the Bern

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

 

UMass Lowell/7News last poll with Sanders winning by 16% appears to be closest to the actual results tonite at least so far

NorthReport

So basically Sanders is batting 1000% so far, as in Iowa he probably got the most actual votes as well.

NorthReport

Fabulous victory speech by Berbie and excellent shot at the Clintons about keeping away from the gutter politics and sticking to discussing the issues

NorthReport

Bernie has 1 million American contributors and 3.7 million in contributions

Average contribution $27

 

Amazin'  - Sanders did a fundraiser during his victory speech. 

berniesanders.com

NorthReport
NorthReport

61% vs 39%, 22% lead for Sanders now  Smile

NorthReport

This is a brilliant victory speech by Sanders who is using the free TV coverage to continue the revolution! Poweful images as well.  Smile

Aristotleded24

I hate to rain on the parade, but Sander's victory tonight means nothing in and of itself. New Hampshire doesn't send that many delegates, and being Sander's home turf, he was always going to win here no matter how strong the Clinton campaign was. It's very easy for the pundits to dismiss Sander's victory on those grounds and also on the grounds that New Hampshire doesn't have that many black voters, who seem to at this moment favour Clinton. The question is, is the Sanders margin of victory large enough to overcome these dismissals?

bekayne

Aristotleded24 wrote:

The question is, is the Sanders margin of victory large enough to overcome these dismissals?

It certainly helps

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The thing about politics is momentum is very important. When undecided voters see he is a serious contender then his numbers are going to increase.

In the meantime stories like this are surfacing about the Clinton's that show they have no principles.

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And yet, on her first date with classmate Clinton in 1971, Rodham would later recall:

We both had wanted to see a Mark Rothko exhibit at the Yale Art Gallery but, because of a labor dispute, some of the university's buildings, including the museum, were closed. As Bill and I walked by, he decided he could get us in if we offered to pick up the litter that had accumulated in the gallery's courtyard. Watching him talk our way in was the first time I saw his persuasiveness in action. We had the entire museum to ourselves. We wandered through the galleries talking about Rothko and twentieth-century art. I admit to being surprised at his interest in and knowledge of subjects that seemed, at first, unusual for a Viking from Arkansas. We ended up in the museum's courtyard, where I sat in the large lap of Henry Moore's sculpture Drape Seated Woman while we talked until dark.

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18841/hillary_rodham_bill_clinton_...

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