The Brexit fantasy was always doomed

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Brexit puts the UK health care system in jeopardy as Trump made abundantly clear on his visit to the UK last week

No wonder UKers are scrambling to cancel Brexit 

 

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Whichever political party clearly supports putting a complete end to the Brexit's foolishness will be well rewarded by the UK voters.

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Britain's next great Brexit mistake

 

A longer delay with the express purpose of calling a second referendum and/or a general election is much more attractive, because it would give time for reflection and a fundamental rethink. At some point the decision to proceed with Brexit or cancel it altogether ought to be grounded in a new and better-informed popular mandate. Nonetheless, this fixed-delay approach, even given more time, suffers from potentially lethal drawbacks.

First, the clock would still be ticking down to a no-deal exit, leaving Britain in much the same negotiating stranglehold as now. Second, the EU would have to agree to any such extension. The longer the requested delay, the more likely it would be to refuse. In any event, the EU would set conditions: Like the notorious backstop, these would further tilt the subsequent bargaining and narrow the U.K.’s options. Third, even now, the outcome of a second referendum shouldn’t be taken for granted — and, hard as this might be to believe, a general election could install a government that’s even more clueless than May’s.

That leaves a very unpalatable conclusion: The U.K. can revoke Article 50 unilaterally, and should do so while it still has the option. With or without a general election, with or without a second referendum, the country needs to get itself out from under the thumb of the EU — and its only hope of doing that is to stay, until further notice, in the EU. Believe me, I see the paradox, which gives me no joy. Also, I don’t underestimate the righteous anger of Brexit supporters if the Remain majority in Parliament finally asserts itself and votes to set aside the first referendum result. The course I’m recommending would be a brutal further setback to the standing of Parliament in the country.

But to call it a betrayal would be wrong. The betrayal has already happened — when Cameron and then May suspended their own best judgment and started guiding the country, step by bungled step, to this pitiful result, and when the Remain majority in Parliament chose to let it happen. It’s time to repent, own up to this abject failure of planning and strategy, and cut the nation’s losses.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2019/03/15/commentary/world-commentary/britains-next-great-brexit-mistake/#.XP7RnNNKhp8

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DUH

British Government ‘Realizes’ Brexit Is a Mistake

The British government is slowly realizing that leaving the European Union is “an act of great self-harm,” according to Ireland’s top Brexit official. John Callinan, who heads a team of officials charged with co-ordinating the Irish government’s Brexit response, told a Brexit seminar organized by Irish trade unions that “I see signs in the contacts that we’re having, both at EU level and with the U.K., of a gradual realization that Brexit in many ways is an act of great self-harm, and that the focus now is on minimizing that self-harm.” He also highlighted the existence of internal divisions on the British side just weeks out from the start of formal withdrawal negotiations with the EU, saying it was clear there was “no single, settled position” on Brexit in London, adding: “Even within the British government, there are very different views.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/british-government-realizes-brexit-is-a-mistake

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The Cost of a Clean Brexit

London's expensive divorce bill will put its economic stability in jeopardy—a fact that does not change in the wake of Theresa May's departure.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/cost-clean-brexit-61362?page=0%2C1

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Again, there is no reason to think the EU would just say "ok, we'll go back to where we were with you" if the UK DID revoke Article 50.  And that poll shows a Remain victory would not by any standard be a sure thing.

There is no reason to put trying, and almost certainly failing to stop Brexit ahead of creating a Left alternative to the status quo and getting the Tories out of power.  There's no victory to anyone but the rich if the UK stays in the EU and there's still a Tory government.   Nothing can really be done in that situation.

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Brexit is now, the next election is years from now.

And Labour's big lead is gone.

Labour scrapes to a by-election victory – and leaves the Brexit lessons for another day

It would have been much better for the Labour Party, and the country as a whole, if it had lost in Peterborough

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-brexit-party-jeremy-corbyn-peterborough-by-election-referendum-a8949566.html

 

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Is the UK about to have a Brexit recession?

UK economy shrinks by four times as much as predicted as Brexit paralysis takes hold

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-economy-latest-brexit-gdp-falls-april-stockpiling-a8951741.html

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Brexit puts the UK health care system in jeopardy as Trump made abundantly clear on his visit to the UK last week

No wonder UKers are scrambling to cancel Brexit 

 

No.  The NHS would only-and this is only in theory-be in play if there was a US-UK bilateral trade deal.  Even if such a deal were negotiated, it would take years, and Trump would likely be out of office by the time the agreement were finalized.  Brexit has nothing to do with that scenario.

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Whichever political party clearly supports putting a complete end to the Brexit's foolishness will be well rewarded by the UK voters.

And thus, the Liberal Democrats are poised to form a majority government. 

Or maybe not.

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 - dated Aug '18

 

 More than 100 seats that backed Brexit now want to remain in EU

Major new analysis shows most constituencies now have majority who want to Remain

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-seats-switch-remain-list-13070561

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Those are your comments about the Liberal Democrats, not mine, however....

Tory CRISIS: Party facing mass exodus to rival Lib Dems as MPs make 'UNTHINKABLE' plans

THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS could be set to welcome MPs defecting from Labour and the Conservatives, leadership candidate Sir Ed Davey has sensationally claimed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138864/Brexit-news-tory-crisis-labour-MPs-defections-Liberal-Democrats-Ed-Davey

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NorthReport wrote:

Whichever political party clearly supports putting a complete end to the Brexit's foolishness will be well rewarded by the UK voters.

And thus, the Liberal Democrats are poised to form a majority government. 

Or maybe not.

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JKR

swallow wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Whichever political party clearly supports putting a complete end to the Brexit's foolishness will be well rewarded by the UK voters.

And thus, the Liberal Democrats are poised to form a majority government. 

Or maybe not.

Forming a coalition government with the Conservatives decimated the Liberal Democrats. Could Brexit bring the LD’s back from the dead? Brexit also seems to be benefiting the SNP.

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Labour to launch bid to block new PM from forcing no-deal Brexit

Opposition day debate picked for motion backed by SNP, Lib Dems, Greens and a Tory MP

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/labour-to-launch-bid-to-block-new-pm-from-forcing-no-deal-brexit

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The Tory contest shows that the Brexiters’ dream is dying before their very eyes

 

They once thought leaving the EU would work wonders. Now they don’t care what it achieves as long as it is done

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/11/tory-contest-brexiters-leaving-eu

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"And on the wreckers march...No matter what needs to be done, our glorious parliament of democrats will ensure we do not leave the EU. If you rule out No Deal you will always get a bad deal, which they then vote down too. Parliament is overturning the referendum."

https://twitter.com/labourleave/status/1138485356582658049

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The Left Case Against The EU 

https://youtu.be/PFnrWbo6uJA

"a neoliberal machine that imposes market discipline, a machine that serves the interests of big business against labour, and a machine that defends the interests of some countries against others..."

 

"Actually the EU embodies the kind of authoritarian supranationalist project that millions of people fought against in WW2. Google Goering's plans for the 'large scale economic unification of Europe."

https://twitter.com/battleforeurope/status/1137808608584982529

Never a surprise to find Canadian 'progressives' arguing the masters' narrative on almost everything. If the Guardian is for it, rest assured Babblers will be too.

josh

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Brexit Forever: Eventually People Will Grow Tired Of This And The U.K. Will Remain

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/04/12/brexit-forever-eventually-people-will-grow-tired-of-this-and-the-u-k-will-remain/#405337b53b7b

Forbes?  Citing the capitalist tool?  Great argument for leaving.

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The Beginning of the End of Britain’s Brexit Fantasy

Maybe the worst part of the Brexit boondoggle is that the “better” trade deals the U.K. wanted were probably never going to happen.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/15/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-britain-brexit-fantasy-may-vote/

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Death threats against pro-EU British MPs ‘becoming routine’ in toxic Brexit debate

Conservative MP Anna Soubry, who received her latest death threat on Monday, said one colleague was guarded by six undercover police, while another decided not to oppose a Brexit bill for fear of reprisals

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2151614/death-threats-against-pro-eu-british-mps-becoming-routine-toxic

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Brilliant!

The secret to stopping Brexit: keep it simple

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/10/secret-stop-brexit-keep-simple

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

"Actually the EU embodies the kind of authoritarian supranationalist project that millions of people fought against in WW2. Google Goering's plans for the 'large scale economic unification of Europe."

https://twitter.com/battleforeurope/status/1137808608584982529

Never a surprise to find Canadian 'progressives' arguing the masters' narrative on almost everything. If the Guardian is for it, rest assured Babblers will be too.

So the EU are Nazis now?

NDPP

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Mussolini - 

Also see vid @ 123

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What a farce this Brexit is, which is helping to make the UK the laughing stock of the planet!

Brexit news - live: MPs to vote on bid to block no-deal EU exit after explosive leaked government documents reveal UK not ready

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-poll-speech-tory-leadership-election-latest-a8954676.html

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The irresponsibility of Johnson and other Brexiters have no limits 

No-deal Brexit will be 'commercial suicide', manufacturers tell MPs

Industry draws link between politicians’ talk of crashing out of EU and firms losing clients

A no-deal Brexit will be “commercial suicide” with tens of thousands of jobs already lost in the UK because of the political uncertainty, manufacturing representatives have said.

As Boris Johnson broke cover to launch his Conservative party leadership campaign, in which he repeated his pledge to leave the EU by 31 October, industry representatives were telling MPs that crashing out of the bloc was “economic vandalism”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/12/no-deal-brexit-will-be-commercial-suicide-manufacturers-tell-mps

josh

Well, then the manufacturers should vote against it.  Oh wait.  They did.

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What are the chances of Northern Ireland merging with Ireland?

Brexit or UKExit? Twelve predictions about Northern Ireland’s future

Will the peace hold? Will the UK fragment and Ireland reunite?

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/brexit-or-ukexit-twelve-predictions-about-northern-ireland-s-future-1.3457324

JKR

josh wrote:

Well, then the manufacturers should vote against it.  Oh wait.  They did.

Looks like the nation of shopkeepers May be in for a Titanic voyage.

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That no-deal Brexit vote only tallies up to 607 votes in total, but are there not 649 eligible to vote MPs.

Who voted for what and who didn't vote or abstained?

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Brexit ‘shambles’ has ruined UK reputation, says senior diplomat

Outgoing high commissioner in Singapore says Britain seen as divided and ‘careless of truth’

Wightman said post-referendum political risk was now overseas investors’ “principal consideration”. He likened Brexit’s impact to the fall of Singapore in 1942, the largest British surrender in history and the battle that showed the “complacency and arrogance of colonial leadership”.

“It transformed their view of British imperialism,” he added. “Things were never the same again. The last three years have done the same for Singaporeans’ view of contemporary Britain.”

He said that the UK benefited from “deep reserves of affection and goodwill” and Singapore could be expected to work constructively with the UK irrespective of Brexit. However, he said: “Whatever we may say in public about global Britain, we must not kid ourselves about the lasting damage that has been done to the UK in the eyes of Singaporeans and around the world.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/12/brexit-shambles-has-ruined-uk-reputation-says-senior-diplomat

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Brexit march: UK-wide push for Final Say to culminate in major London rally two weeks before exit deadline

12 October ‘march of our lives’ will be climax of The Independent and People's Vote campaign for a fresh referendum, with rallies across Britain this summer

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-march-london-protest-rally-final-say-vote-deadline-october-let-us-be-heard-a8955906.html

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What are the chances of Northern Ireland merging with Ireland?

Brexit or UKExit? Twelve predictions about Northern Ireland’s future

Will the peace hold? Will the UK fragment and Ireland reunite?

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/brexit-or-ukexit-twelve-predictions-about-northern-ireland-s-future-1.3457324

It will be a very long time before the Six Counties/Northern Ireland/Ulster (it's actually only two-thirds of the historic province of Ulster, so it should be called "Ulst") merge with the Republic.   The pro-British majority still exists, though it is slowly narrowing, and the identity of that majority is largely constructed around the delusion that, due to their religious affiliation as Protestants, they would somehow be persecuted in a Catholic-majority state. 

They remain obssesed with seeing Sinn Fein and the Provisional Irish Republican Army, as well as all other "republican" groups in N.I(there, the term "republican" means pro-Irish and historically willing to use force to achieve the creation of a unified state-their opposite numbers in the pro-British community are known as Loyalists. ) be militarily defeated and forced to permanently renounce the goal of a 32-county state-even though the Good Friday process, which led to power-sharing with Sinn Fein, is the only reason "The Troubles" could be brought to an end.  The hardline Unionists of the Democratic Unionist Party and those further to their right in the Unionist community would rather see The Troubles brought back than make any compromises with the pro-Irish community at all.

Also, pro-British Northern Irish people see pro-Irish Northern Irish people-even though essentially all of them are white-as an inferior race.  They can't accept that their pro-Irish neighbors are ordinary human beings like they are and 

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Brexit Britain is wallowing in dangerous talk of national humiliation

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/14/brexit-britain-national-humiliation-uk-eu

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Brilliant move by Labour to poll its members on a 2nd Referendum

Good on Corbyn to authorize this significant change which hopefully will begin to put and end to the Brits committing harakiri over this Brexit lunacy

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-brexit-referendum-party-members-survey-tom-watson-a8959396.html

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