Canada 'Cuts and Runs': The Afghan People Will Win - #26

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'United States Seeks Indefinite Stay in Afghanistan' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/232019.html

Interview with Conn Hallinan of Foreign Policy in Focus magazine

Fidel

Hallinan wrote:
Well it doesn't surprise me at all. The original idea of the US going into Afghanistan really didn't have anything to do with 9/11 or for that matter al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

What it had to do with was that the US has always wanted to have a military imprint in Central Asia and obviously Afghanistan is typical for that. Not only does it border Iran and Pakistan, but Central Asia...

And the original plan was to run a gas pipeline from the Caspian Basin across Afghanistan through India and Pakistan. So, I'm not at all surprised that the US has declared that intends to maintain a military presence. Whether they can do so is entirely another matter.

Wait a minute WAIT-A-Minute! 9/11 was the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor! And the CIA and Pentagon capitalists knew nothing, we repeat, NOTH-ing about it!! It was complete and total SURPRISE attack, as in Jim Naybors "Surprise-surprise Sargent Carter, we got the saaaaame room" kind of surprise. Elvis bin Laden and the CIA's expendible jihadi assets in Afghanistan orchesrated it all. Remember all the good guys from the 1980s and 90s who helped Afghans rid their country of the evol empire? At least, that's what lapdog newz media have repeated constantly for the last ten years. And then they turned on us, like a son goes against the father. 9/11 is now the realm of legend and myth. And we have to fight them on their terrortory so that they don't attack us here at home, like Hitler said just before he ordered the army to be merciful toward civilians in their humanitarian war against Poland. But this is unprecedented for sure.

It's obvious that what Hallinan says and what lapdog newz media say about 9/11 are two very different things. One of them is lying like Joe Goebbels.

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

Wait a minute WAIT-A-Minute! 9/11 was the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor! And the CIA and Pentagon capitalists knew nothing, we repeat, NOTH-ing about it!! It was complete and total SURPRISE attack, as in Jim Naybors "Surprise-surprise Sargent Carter, we got the saaaaame room" kind of surprise.

Whoa, wait just one sec here - are you saying they did Pearl Harbor too!? This is big.

 

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Wait a minute WAIT-A-Minute! 9/11 was the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor! And the CIA and Pentagon capitalists knew nothing, we repeat, NOTH-ing about it!! It was complete and total SURPRISE attack, as in Jim Naybors "Surprise-surprise Sargent Carter, we got the saaaaame room" kind of surprise.

Whoa, wait just one sec here - are you saying they did Pearl Harbor too!? This is big.

 

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Elvis bin Laden, Hamid Karzai, the Khadrs,  Zawahiris, Ali Mohamed, Gulbby Hekmatyar, Rabbini, Moussaoui etc all fought for the CIA in the 1980s and 90s Afghanistan. They were on the side of ordinary humble Afghans against the evol Sovs. Those guys were fighting for freedom and democracy in the Stan.

And then for some strange reason those ruthless motherfuckers transformed themselves into social democrats and decided that to become vigilantes with social consciences in avenging imperialist-infidel oppression of ordinary Palestinians  on that special day on 9/11/01. And what a special day it was. 9/11 was the ultimate surprise attack against the vicious, most high tech empire with the most extensive intelligence network in world history. They were taken by complete surprise on that infamous day.

Never forget.

US committed to continue talks with their former proxies, the Taliban: White House

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US and Taliban negotiators were believed to have had preliminary contacts aimed at establishing an office for the Taliban in the Gulf state of Qatar to launch peace negotiations.

Next up the Yanks will be pushing for the Taliban to have a seat at the UN, like they did with the Khmer Rouge in "Democratic Kampuchea."

What a farce!

NDPP

'Sick Savages': 3/11 Afghans Will Never Forget

 

http://www.mybitforchange.org/2012/afghans-will-never-forget/

"...Everything seems to be falling apart for US strategists..."

NDPP

The US Empire's Achilles Heel: Its Barbaric Racism  - by Glen Ford

http://www.countercurrents.org/ford180312.htm

"...These three latest atrocities have brought the US [and Canadian] occupation to the point of crisis - hopefully a terminal one. But the whole war has been one atrocity after another, from the very beginning, when the high-tech superpower demonstrated the uncanny ability to track down and incinerate whole Afghan wedding parties - not just once but repeatedly. Quite clearly, to the Americans, these people have never been more than ants on the ground, to be exterminated at will..."

'US Killing of Afghan Civilians, Gruesome' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/232356.html

"This is nothing new. Because we have already, in the past, cases where the US forces raped people - raped men as well as women and covered up their murder. And this has been in fact the modus operandi of these crimnal gangs. Unfortunately they have committed similar crimes in the past.."

 

NDPP

Questions Mount Over US Account of Massacre  -  by Patrick Martin

http://wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/afgh-m19.shtml

"Nearly every fact asserted by US officials in Kabul and Washington has been challenged either by the villagers where the massacre took place, by the Karzai government in Afghanistan, or by those acquainted with the arrested soldier, Staff Sergeant Robert Bates, 38...But the more important warcriminals are those in the White House, [Ottawa], The Pentagon, the CIA and throughout the US political establishment who are responsible for more than ten years of war in Afghanistan, and who are plotting new wars in Syria, Iran and elsewhere."

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Glenn Greenwald wrote:

One prime prerogative of all empires is that it is subject to no laws or accountability other than its own, even when it comes to crimes committed on other nations' soil and against its people. That was the imperial principle that finally compelled America's withdrawal from Iraq, and it is apparently what caused the US to quickly remove the accused shooter from Afghanistan. It may be understandable why the US perceives it in its interest to preserve this imperial power, but it should be equally understandable why its victims react with increasing levels of suspicion, resentment and rage.

NDPP

Murder Is Not An Anomaly In War - by Chris Hedges

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/266-32/10532-focus-murder-is-not...

"The scale of our state-sponsored murder is masked from public view. Civilians and combatants merge into one detested, nameless, faceless mass. The psychological leap to murder is short. And murder happens every day in Afghanistan. Military attacks like these in civilian areas make discussions of human rights an absurdity.."

or an imperative

NDPP

Beatings, Sexual Abuse, Electric Shocks: US Torture Camps 'Still Operative'

http://rt.com/news/torture-afghanistan-prisoners-901/

"A new report reveals that US forces continue to send detainees to prison where torture is practiced, despite NATO's promise to suspend prison transfers last September. The report carried out by the Afghan Independent Rights Commission and the Open Society/ Foundation, documents numerous cases of torture in Afghan detention facilities between Feb 2011 and Jan 2012.

The document has credible evidence in 11 recent cases where practices such as 'beatings, suspension from the ceiling, electric shocks, threatened or actual sexual abuse, and other forms of mental and physical abuse' were commonplace."

don't worry Canada's own detainee/torture issue is deeply buried courtesy of our pols.

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And don't forget, as the Obamapologists love to remind us, that their Beloved Leader "reversed Bush torture policies"!

NDPP

Craig Scott, the NDP and the Taliban - by Tarek Fatah

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/20/craig-scott-the-ndp-and-the-taliban

"Taliban detainees in Afghan prisons have a new champion in Canada's parliament. Thanks to the NDP and voters in Toronto Danforth, law professor Craig Scott was elected to fill the seat vacated by the late NDP leader Jack Layton. Who is Craig Scott? His website describes him as having 'done substantial work on the Afghan detainee (Taliban) issue' that has obsessed the NDP since 2006, when the part first raised the issue of mistreatment of Taliban prisoners..."

Tarek Fatah, what an awful sellout LOL,  - that was then, this is now...

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[url=http://www.salon.com/2012/03/21/did_sgt_bales_have_help/singleton/]Did Sgt. Bales have help?[/url]
by Jefferson Morley, Salon.com

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A group of Afghan parliamentary investigators has concluded that Bales was part of a group of 15-20 soldiers. As Outlook Afghanistan reported Monday, “The team spent two days in the province, interviewing the bereaved families, tribal elders, survivors and collecting evidences at the site in Panjwai district.” One of the parliamentarians told Pajhwok Afghan News that investigators believed 15 to 20 American soldiers carried out the killings.

“I have encountered almost no Afghan who believes it could have been one person acting alone, whether they think it was a group or people back at the base somehow organizing or facilitating it,” Kate Clark of  the Afghanistan Analysts Network told the Guardian. (The AAN is funded by four Scandanavian governments, all of which have troops in Afghanistan).

By contrast, few U.S. news account question that the massacre was the work of one man acting alone.

Fidel

So their wacky lone gunman theory is not credible. Who knew?

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Glenn Greenwald wrote:

After Bradley Manning was arrested on charges that he leaked documents to WikiLeaks, he was held in intense solitary confinement for ten months until political pressure finally forced his transfer to more humane conditions in Fort Leavenworth; the top U.N. torture official last week concluded that Manning’s treatment during those 10 months was “cruel and inhumane.” By stark contrast, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales — the prime suspect in the slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians — is already at Fort Leavenworth and is receiving this treatment:

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Bales arrived at Fort Leavenworth last Friday and is being held in an isolated cell. He is “already being integrated into the normal pretrial confinement routine,” prison spokeswoman Rebecca Steed said.

The routine includes recreation, meals and cleaning the area where he is living. Steed said once his meetings with his attorneys are complete later in the week, Bales will resume the normal integration process.

An ABC News article back when Manning was transferred to Fort Leavenworth included these details:

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The 150 inmates at the facility — including eight who are awaiting trial — are allowed three hours of recreation a day, she said, and three meals a day in a dining area.

That likely means that there will be some substantial interaction between Bales and Manning. Think about that: if you expose to the world previously unknown evidence of widespread wanton killing of civilians (as Manning allegedly did), then you will end up in the same place as someone who actually engages in the mass wanton killing of civilians (as Bales allegedly did), except that the one who committed atrocities will receive better treatment than the one who exposed them. That’s a nice reflection of our government’s value system (similar to the way that high government officials who commit egregious crimes are immunized, while those who expose them are aggressively prosecuted). If the chat logs are to be believed, Manning decided to leak those documents because they revealed heinous war crimes that he could no longer in good conscience allow to be concealed, and he will now find himself next to a soldier who is accused of committing heinous war crimes.

Slumberjack

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Bales arrived at Fort Leavenworth last Friday and is being held in an isolated cell. He is “already being integrated into the normal pretrial confinement routine,” prison spokeswoman Rebecca Steed said.  The routine includes recreation, meals and cleaning the area where he is living. Steed said once his meetings with his attorneys are complete later in the week, Bales will resume the normal integration process.

I suppose the different pre-trial custody arrangements between the two cases depends on if they consider the crime treasonous to the values they represent.  It's murdered kids vs indiscreet cables and emails.  But Fort Leavenworth is no club med all the same.  If they do it anything similar to the military detention barracks in Edmonton, recreation consists of directed military PT, the kind that if you're not doing it right, you get to practice more, and if you're not coughing up a lung from overexertion, they're not doing it right.  When I was in Ottawa years ago there was this guy who's work earned him a sentence of 90 days, due to some relatively minor but quite willful financial irregularity, while so entrusted.  He went out roughly 270-280 lbs and I didn't recognize him at the coffee circle after he returned, he had lost so much weight.  "Cleaning the area" for him apparently involved endlessly polishing everything in sight to a mirror finish.

Fidel

How Joanne Herring won Charlie Wilson's war 

No explanation for Wilson's extended cold war in Central Asia, though. I guess Charlie, Joanne and Zia are to blame for this mess destabilizing Central Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa for the last 30 years in a row.

God bless America, whiiite picket fences and apple piiie. And Al-Qa'eda, too. The Daddy Warbucks are surely counting their lucky stars for the mujahideen-Taliban-Al-Qa'eda. What glorious times they have been for the warmongers.

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M. Spector wrote:

That likely means that there will be some substantial interaction between Bales and Manning.

I doubt that very much and being in pre-trial confinement and not being convicts I doubt neither one is in the general population.

Fort Leavenworth is as much a maximum security prison as any civilian one and the boyish looking Manning and the child killer Bales would have the same problems in the general population of a military prison as a civilian one. Their recreation is not sitting around shooting pool and watching TV with their buddies; it is more likely to be 3 hours in a 20 foot by 40 foot exercise area by themselves.    

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[url=http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/21/from-my-lai-to-kandahar/]From My Lai to Kandahar: The Mass Killer as Hero[/url]
by JeffSparrow

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Blogger Charles Johnson writes:

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I've looked at about a dozen right wing sites this morning to see how they'd react to the news from Afghanistan, and the comments at every single one of them were full of people celebrating the killings, praising the soldier who allegedly committed them, and denying there was any crime, while at the same time frantically trying to blame the crime on President Obama.

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Since 2001, we've seen the normalization of torture against (mostly Muslim) detainees; the construction of secret prisons to detain Muslim prisoners indefinitely without charges or trial; the routinisation of assassinations and other extrajudicial killings of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen; and, most of all, deaths of (by the most conservative reckoning) hundreds of thousands of people, most of them Muslim, in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere.

What attitudes to ordinary Muslims does such a record inculcate? What notions does it foster about the way they should be treated?

Should we really be surprised that, within the semi-anonymity of a blog forum, a large number of Americans discuss Muslims as untermenschen, subhuman enemies of civilisation, fit only for extermination?

Back in 1971, "The battle hymn of Lt. Calley" sold a million copies in less than a week. Its final verse runs like this:

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When all the wars are over and the battle's finally won
Count me only as a soldier who never left his gun
With the right to serve my country as the only prize I've won ...

More than a decade of the War on Terror has, just as you would expect, created a new audience who wants to never leave the gun, an audience no longer shocked by atrocity but increasingly prepared to celebrate it. The consequences will be with us for a long time.

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Afghan shooting: U.S. pays $50,000 per villager killed

REPORTING FROM KABUL, AFGHANISTAN — The U.S. government has paid $50,000 in compensation for each of the Afghan villagers who were killed in a shooting rampage in which an American soldier faces murder charges, Afghan officials said Sunday. Families of the wounded received $11,000 per injured victim.

The sum is unusually large for deaths and injuries attributed to Western troops — a reflection, U.S. officials said, of the scope and significance of the case. The shootings are the most serious alleged war crime by a Western service member to come to light in the course of the 10-year conflict.

The American military did not publicly confirm the sums paid out in the killings in Kandahar province’s Panjwayi district, but a member of the Kandahar provincial council, Agha Lalai Dastgeeri, confirmed the amount of the payments, as did Jaan Agha, a tribal elder in Panjwayi.

PHOTOS: Afghanistan shooting

U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales faces 17 counts of "premeditated" homicide, as well as other charges in connection with the March 11 assault on villagers living close to his base. The count of fatalities by Afghan officials and relatives was 16; the discrepancy has not been explained....

NDPP

Robert Bates - Lone Nut or Scapegoat - by Justin Raimondo

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30906.htm

"What are the Americans hiding.."

NDPP

Canadian Miners Make the Big Move into Afghanistan - by Michael Skinner

http://michaelskinnerresearch.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/canadian-miners-m...

"And we wonder why they resist from Afghanistan to Attawapiskat.."

 

Afghan Screams Aren't Heard  - by Kathy Kelly and Hakim

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/04/20/afghan-screams-arent-heard/

"...I ask our friend, Hakim, who mentors the Afghan Peace Volunteers, if ordinary Afghans are aware that the US has an estimated 400 or more Forward Operating Bases across Afghanistan and that it is planning to construct what will become the world's largest US Embassy, in Kabul. Hakim thinks young people across Kabul are well aware of this. 'Do they know,' I asked, 'that the US Air Force has hired 60,000 - 70,000 analysts to study information collected through drone surveillance? The film footage amounts to the equivalent of 58,000 full length feature films. The Rand Corporation says that 100,000 analysts are needed to understand 'patterns of life' in Afghanistan.."

NDPP

MSNBC: Evidence of Multiple Shooters, Night Raid in Sgt Bales Case (and vid)

http://warisacrime.org/content/msnbc-evidence-multiple-shooters-night-ra...

"We are facing an almost complete information blackout from the government, which is having a devastating effect on our ability to investigate the charges preferred against our client.."

 

US Trades Night Raids on Afghan Civilians for Permanent Stay (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/237632.html

"The United States and Afghanistan have signed a strategic partnership deal that would entail US presence beyond 2014.."

NDPP

US-Afghanistan Deal 'National Treachery' Against Afghans: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/237653.html

"A prominent analyst tells Press TV that the Afghan people whole-heartedly oppose the Status of Forces Agreement [SOFA} between US and Afghanistan, calling it a 'national treachery'."

How long does Canada participate in this ongoing, illegal and brutal occupation, without a peep of protest from its people? We still have 1000 people there.

Fidel

Harper holds firm to Afghanistan pullout date 2009

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"I was very clear in my meetings in the United States last week that that remains Canada's plan," said Harper

As Porky Pig would say, Th-th-that's all folks. Steve Harper is their most loyal and obedient lapdog.

Fidel

RAWA, April 19 wrote:
How ironic is it that sitting in the Afghan parliament, right under our noses, is Abdul Rab al-Rasul Sayyaf, the man who first invited Osama bin Laden to Afghanistan before the Taliban rule, who trained and mentored Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and who massacred thousands in Kabul during the 1990s? There he sits as a member of a government that Western nations support by various means including the lives of our soldiers.

The phonyest war on terror continueth.

Fidel

It sounds like our colonial administrators in Ottawa are about to receive further instructions from Warshington. Harper is an embarrassment to all Canadians.

NDPP

Canada and US Officials in Discussions To Keep Canadian Special Forces in Afghanistan Post-2014 - by David Pugliese

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canada/6511791/story.html

"US and Canadian officials are in discussion over a Pentagon request to keep Canadian special forces in Afghanistan beyond the 2014 withdrawal the Conservative government promised.."

are you good with that? Thought so...

NDPP

America wants those who are closest to their own.

http://rabble.ca/comment/1182948

let us see what our 'loyal opposition' says to this...

NDPP

Night Raid Prompts Recent Afghanistan Shootout: Reports

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/238452.html

"New reports have revealed that a controversial night raid ignited a late Wednesday shootout in Afghanistan during which four people died, including a US soldier.

'They were taking part in a night raid...Probably Afghan and US forces had an argument that triggered the incident. As a result, an Afghan special forces member opened fire and killed one US special forces member along with an interpreter,' AFP quoted the police chief of Sha Wali Kot district in Kandahar province as saying on Friday..."

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Nice to see the "training" paying off...

NDPP

NATO's Lies on Afghanistan Continue  - by Haroon Siddiqui

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1169804--nato-s-...

"...NATO cannot win in Afghanistan. It could have, should have, some years ago. But now it cannot, certainly not before its scheduled withdrawal in 2014. So why does Stephen Harper want to 'examine all options,' including extending the Canadian involvement? Almost 70 percent of Americans favour pulling out. In Britain, 73 percent think the war cannot be won. Canadians have long opposed the war.

Why not pull out now?"

Fidel

TheStar wrote:
The only way out is for Hamid Karzai and his successors to share power with the Taliban, while NATO maintains bases to keep an eye on both and to live up to the pledge of not abandoning Afghanistan, yet again.

That's not a way out. 

It's called establishing a colonial outpost for the long term by partnering-up with their "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban.

The phony war on terror continues.

 

NDPP

Taliban Resistance Announce Spring Offensive

http://presstv.com/detail/239300.html

"Taliban have announced that they will launch their annual 'spring offensive' across Afghanistan on Thursday, vowing to increase their attacks on the US-led forces in the country..."

still including 1000 Canadians in this illegal war

Slumberjack

The result of the 'bring the troops home' mantra, via the scenic route.  Instead of ending the mission we're getting 'missionaried' by the collective obfuscation out of Parliament.

NDPP

Exactly. And what ever happened to the Detainee torture issue or the investigations into 'unlawful killing' by Canada's Special Forces (JTF2)? I get the impression there's not much traction from any side in the evil Ottawa talkshop..

Slumberjack

No, not much traction up there on the slippery slope off Wellington.  Pretty slimey actually.

Fidel

Don't worry, the US Military isn't going anywhere by "2014" nor their obedient colonial troop task force from the North. The CIA and US taxpayers are funding the spread of militant Islam("Al-Qaeda") in Afghanistan as usual and especially into Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc. Real imperialists don't just pack up and leave as some here would lead us to think. At least not like the multinational Atlantic Alliance achieved in forcing out the Sovs and Soviet-backed Afghan government by 1992. This is the Gladio alliance's last stand in Central Asia, and they don't intend on giving up so easily. Again these are real imperialists doing the occupying this time and not imaginary ones.

The Taliban know that their power is real only so long as they receive US Military and US taxpayer support. Without US and NATO aid their power would be vastly diminished. Look for a power sharing deal between the USA's mujahideen friends in Kabul and the USA's "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban, sooner or later.

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Fidel wrote:

The Taliban know that their power is real only so long as they receive US Military and US taxpayer support. Without US and NATO aid their power would be vastly diminished. Look for a power sharing deal between the USA's mujahideen friends in Kabul and the USA's "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban, sooner or later.

What utter horseshit!

Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

The Taliban know that their power is real only so long as they receive US Military and US taxpayer support. Without US and NATO aid their power would be vastly diminished. Look for a power sharing deal between the USA's mujahideen friends in Kabul and the USA's "former" proxies in Kabul, the Taliban, sooner or later.

What utter horseshit!

I'm only repeating what actual Afghans and other Asians themselves say about it. I'm not sure who is feeding you your horseshit. Perhaps you are better informed than they? Quit being anal retentive and tell us the way it is.

NDPP

Statement of Leadership Council of Islamic Emirate Regarding the Inception of AL-Farooq Spring Operations

http://shahamat-english.com/

"It has been over ten years since Afghanistan has come under the barbaric occupation of foreign invaders and countless defenseless Afghans are martyred, imprisoned, their homes destroyed and orchards uprooted by these cruel occupiers with the passage of each day. But as the intensity of cruelty and savagery by the invaders increases, the fervour of Jihad and struggle amongst the heroic Afghans strengthens proportionally.

Al Farooq Spring Operations shall commence simultaneously in all parts of Afghanistan on 3rd May 2012.

The Islamic Emirate, alongside launching its Al Farooq Spring operations, once again calls on all those associated with the puppet administration of Karzai, the so-called national army, national police, and all those who are siding with the invaders in opposition to the interests of Islam to stop backing the invaders and to abandon their ranks...

The Islamic Emirate would also like to declare to all the foreign invaders including the Americans that if you still desire to continue the occupation of our country, abuse our sanctities and oppress our defenseless nation, then the Mujahideen shall take inspiration..and utilize all means and military craftsmanship at their disposal in their Al-Farooq Spring Operation to kill, expell and eliminate you.

With the divine help of Allah, we are awaiting the moment when our nation shall be freed from the evil of your occupation.."

 

Statement of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Regarding the Inhumane Treatment of Inmates at Kandahar Prison

http://shahamat-english.com/

"Seven hundred inmates inside Kandahar's Sarpoza prison have gone on a hunger strike to protest the criminal and savage treatment by officials of the Kabul administration. Inmates have not had any food intake and no one has so far inquired about or listened to their demands. According to information obtained, eighteen inmates have so far entered a state of coma due to extreme hunger. Meanwhile, several innocent, defenseless inmates have also been taken to an undisclosed location where they are most likely facing torture..

There is well established internationally documented evidence against the Kabul administration's practice of torture in its prisons, especially in Kandahar..which the international community has been informed multiple times. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan once again strongly condemns the mistreatment of prisoners by the Kabul administration and considers such inhumane actions yet another disgraceful act of the stooge regime.

According to our information, the described situation in Kandahar is still ongoing today and the puppet officals of Kandahar have neither themselves visited the prisons nor have they granted permission to the Red Cross, human rights watchdogs or the media to visit and listen to the prisoners' demands.."

The suppression of torture information and other  barbarism by the Western proxy regime was ably assisted by Canada's pols of all parties.

Fidel

Good find! 

shahamat.com wrote:
"Taliban execute woman in public" this is to say (Qisas). And Qisas (execution) is an Islamic Sharia term meaning retaliatory punishment of a murderer, whereas the term does not refer to adultery. Take for example Ahmad, who killed Mahmood deliberately or unjustly, in such case, the Islamic jurisprudence carry out Qisas (execution).

Yes, apparently the Taliban edict really does say to execute the adulterous woman. And the woman who dances, or the woman who wears nail polish, or the woman who bares an ankle to seduce the man who incidentally shall rape and/or stone and bury her alive.

Pay no attention to the propaganda photo in post#12, because apparently it is not true according to Taliban scholars, and the Revolutionary Afghan Women's Association and Malalai Joya are telling tall tales.

Wikileaks: Ultra right wing in USA funding Ultra-right wing Taliban 2010

NDPP

yes and of course that's why we came - to bring democracy and save the women..

Here's another:

US/NATO Terrorists Run Out of Their Pampers in Afghanistan

http://pakdefenceunit.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/usnato-terrorist-run-out-...

"A diplomatic source said that the NATO supply lines cut by Pakistan has hurt the US-led NATO forces in many ways, including the severe shortage of diapers for the US-NATO soldiers. US government and military are embarrassed at the difficulties caused by a shortage of diapers for US soldiers in Afghanistan. American spokespersons are finding it hard to discuss the issue publicly.

It is said that during military operations and while fighting the Taliban inside Afghanistan the US soldiers wear diapers to fight their enemies without unduly risking their lives. According to one analyst, the well protected US-NATO forces riding armoured personnel carriers and other vehicles, do not dare to get outside their vehicles for fear of attacks by the Taliban..

According to newspaper reports, US authorities have quietly and unofficially requested from the Pakistan authorities the immediate provision of tissue paper and Pampers."

Fidel

Yes, cold war allies Pakistan and USA along with Saudi Arabia all funded and armed mujahideen warlords in the 1980s, 90s and 2000s, and they are all still funding the Taliban today I'm afraid. And our neighbors are pretty sensitive about questions concerning who financed 9/11. They don't want the public to know.

Funding the Enemy: How US Taxpayers Bankroll the Taliban 2012

They've been funding militant Islam for decades.

 

NDPP

Afghanistan : NATO Airstrikes Kill 20 Civilians, 5 Children

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2012/05/07/children-among-20-killed-isaf-air-r...

"A mother and her five chldren were among 20 civilians killed in two separate airstrikes in the southern Helmand and northwestern Badghis provinces, officials said on Monday. The first incident took place late on Friday when an International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) helicopter missed its target and dropped bombs on a house. Governor Gulab Mangal condemned the mistaken raid and asked NATO-led troops to immediately probe the killing.."

"We're going to change NATO from within!" - Jack Layton NDP

Fidel

We're going to change NATO through fourth party status and fighting an uphill battle during this colder war era. Millions will continue dying and false flags will continue flapping in the wind, but at least we can say we were true to our principles regardless of the worstpastthepost reality of the situation. And then at some point NATO can bomb us for our nationalised oil because we would be outside the club de gladio. Eventually.  - NDPP

Slumberjack

We're all in it together you know.  There's no choice but to gaze from the inside out, and the outside doesn't exist so long as the market and capitalism exists.  Supporting capitalist parties is no way to change anything from within, wouldn't you agree Fidel?

ETA:  Never mind.  It's already been well established that you don't agree.

Fidel wrote:
Yes, it is true that the NDP is a capitalist party.

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

We're all in it together you know.  There's no choice but to gaze from the inside out, and the outside doesn't exist so long as the market and capitalism exists.  Supporting capitalist parties is no way to change anything from within, wouldn't you agree Fidel?

 

I think FPTP says it's wishful thinking. We have to, first and foremost, introduce a small amount of democracy to Canada. Hopefully the NDP can create a modicum of democracy in Ottawa. Hopefully the NDP can introduce a bit of transparency and accountability to the public in Ottawa. 

But sitting on the outside looking in will not help countries targeted by the gladio gang. Not at all. That much I do know. We have to spush a Trojan horse through the gates into the city before we can begin sacking Rome, or rather to stand a chance of democratizing club gladio from within. We can't lead a boycott of or protest NATO if we don't actually belong to NATO. If no one follows France's lead, then perhaps they will follow an actual NATO member country's lead in voting against a future NATO military action. And there will be opportunities for an NDP government to break ranks from NATO and create a powerful precedent for other member countries to commit NATO treason.

This is a fight for democracy not sweeping changes to NATO right off the bat. I think Good things take time and effort. I don't expect the NDP to save the world, but we can try to change our corner of it. The struggle for democracy continues. Our only hope is their worst nightmare and vice versa.

Slumberjack

Fidel wrote:
I think Good things take time and effort.

Perhaps what we've been missing all along then is the slightest indication that such effort might be forthcoming once all the ducks are aligned.  Our bad for failing to notice.

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

Fidel wrote:
I think Good things take time and effort.

Perhaps what we've been missing all along then is the slightest indication that such effort might be forthcoming once all the ducks are aligned.  Our bad for failing to notice.

 

I think some lefties on this site still believe that right wing extremists in the Taliban are opposed to right wing extremists running NATO. And that's not entirely true. Some of us think in politically conservative terms of black and white. What's happening is nothing like black and white. Not at all. Black and white is what political conservatives pawn-off on their racist and bigoted support base without question. But it's not what anti-war activists should be parroting. It's not antiestablishmentarian to essentially subscribe to the government version of what they say they are striving to achieve in Afghanistan and Central Asia. I think some of us may have seen too many John Wayne cowboys versus Indians movies. Anything more complex than that is unfathomable in their minds.

What the west is pulling in Afghanistan has been done to other countries. There is a history and pattern to it. Patterns and precedents are important to a range of disciplinary studies. And some of us are having none of it. That's not good news for the flagging anti-war movement if we can even call it that at this stage of the great game. It's gotten to a point where if we challenge the US-led NATO monologue on Afghanistan, some lefties wil instantly align themselves with the NATO version of things and declare you a blasphemer. Pretty sad. The "Arab spring" was orchestrated, too. The left is co-opted, and the anti-war movement is sometimes difficult to identify.

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