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I agree with Michael and Sean. There was no violence in the Catalonia Government's expression of self-determination. With these over-reactions, things could very well heat up. We may see the rise of terrorist tactics like those used by ETA.

 

Sean in Ottawa

laine lowe wrote:

I agree with Michael and Sean. There was no violence in the Catalonia Government's expression of self-determination. With these over-reactions, things could very well heat up. We may see the rise of terrorist tactics like those used by ETA.

 

I hope there will not be violence. Ironically violence now would be the counter over-reaction. But support from the people could become unstoppable.

I think the what-ifs of Ireland are hard to establish given the cultural changes that took place over the next few generations. Regardless, it was stupid of the British to act as they did and some of the 1916 martyrs expected them to knowing the result.

Now it is also true that the overreaction in Spain is not in the face of violence and it is also in a time where such a reaction would be tolerated even less than 100 years ago. Spain, thinking that a crackdown is the solution is making a dreadful and yes, risky mistake.

The reality is that in 2018, in Europe it is hard to imagine holding back public opinion for long. Fear from the government is not a tactic that is likely to work for long and it will drive people who might have favoured a united Spain away.

NDPP

Spain Jails Secessionist Leaders, Issues International Arrest Warrants

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/26/spai-m26.html

"The 69 page judicial statement presents the most spurious charges against the Catalan leaders..."

 

Scotland Must Defend Carla Ponsati...

https://t.co/sc71W3M2vv

"It is sickening that Spanish courts continue to jail and remove from political life, Catalan politicians who are the victors in democratic elections. That the European political class and media is almost entirely complicit and supportive in this truly vicious repression of the Catalan people has shocked many of us to our core..."

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

Spain Jails Secessionist Leaders, Issues International Arrest Warrants

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/26/spai-m26.html

"The 69 page judicial statement presents the most spurious charges against the Catalan leaders..."

 

Scotland Must Defend Carla Ponsati...

https://t.co/sc71W3M2vv

"It is sickening that Spanish courts continue to jail and remove from political life, Catalan politicians who are the victors in democratic elections. That the European political class and media is almost entirely complicit and supportive in this truly vicious repression of the Catalan people has shocked many of us to our core..."

Scotland is in an interesting position since it believes in self determination. To turn over anyone to Spain for belief in this same principle is more than problematic. It is hypocrisy. So, yes. The same is true of the UK which has also accpeted self-determination as a principle.

NDPP

"In 1940 the elected president of Catalonia, Lluis Companys, was captured by the Gestapo, at the request of Spain, delivered to them and executed. Today, German police have arrested the elected president of Catalonia, Carlos Puigdemont, at the request of Spain, to be extradited."

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/979104834019385344

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

"In 1940 the elected president of Catalonia, Lluis Companys, was captured by the Gestapo, at the request of Spain, delivered to them and executed. Today, German police have arrested the elected president of Catalonia, Carlos Puigdemont, at the request of Spain, to be extradited."

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/979104834019385344

those who pointed to the fact that a majority did not vote in the referendum vote and that support for independence was not that high calculated that indpendence was a long shot. Thanks to the stupidity of the national government of Spain that is changing. I would say that with every reaction of the Spanish government they increase the odds that Catalonia will be independent.

Let's recognize what this means because I am not a nationalist. I learned to dislike all nationalist movements as being in the way of progress for people -- something like religion -- ways to divide and distract.  This is the part of Spain that is rich. The stupidity of the national government will severely damage vulnerable people all over the country.

NDPP

"As Irish Republicans prepare to remember those who declared Irish independence in Easter 1916 we send solidarity to our friends in #Catalonia who face massive repression from the Spanish state. The EU needs to wake up." - Matt Carthy MEP (* see vid attached*)

https://twitter.com/mattcarthy/status/979073393973776386

NDPP

The Arrest of Catalan President Carles Puigdemont: Another Step Toward A Police State in Europe

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/27/pers-m27.html

"While the EU is increasingly breaking apart, its member governments cooperate ever more closely on the issue of building a police state. The cooperation between Berlin and Madrid in the Puigdemont case recalls the darkest period in European history."

NDPP

'#Wake Up Europe & Help Catalonia'

http://youtu.be/RyA0QZHqzS8

"German politicians visit Puigdemont in prison."

NDPP

Explosive Social Conditions in Spain Behind Moves Toward Police State

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/04/03/spai-a03.html

"The arrest and detention of former Catalan President Carles Puigdemont in Germany, on the request of Spanish authorities, represents a sinister attack on political opposition. It marks another step toward police-state rule in Europe."

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The arrest and detention of former Catalan President Carles Puigdemont in Germany, on the request of Spanish authorities, represents a sinister attack on political opposition.

Would you do me a solid and repost this in the current Venezuela thread?  It would be great to be able to talk about attacks on opposition with your commitment.  "Police state" would be even better.

NDPP

You're trolling in support of a declared and ongoing US regime change operation against Venezuela, condemned by the UN. Fuck off.

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You're trolling in support of a declared and ongoing US regime change operation against Venezuela, condemned by the UN. Fuck off.

I'm only asking you to be consistent.  Is that just "not in the cards", NDPP?

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'Free the political prisoners!': April 15 Barcelona demonstration

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Spanish Constitutional Court suspends Puigdemont's candidacy for president

The Constitutional Court is slow, but it gets there. Today it has accepted to consider the challenge to Carles Puigdemont's investiture as president of Catalonia which had been planned for 30th January. It's been three months since a planned debate which didn't even end up taking place, but the court has finally decided to consider the Spanish government's challenge. This affects any decision which aims to invest Carles Puigdemont as president. The resolution voids any action, resolution, agreement or path related to the candidacy to invest the president from exile at the same time as the Parliament of Catalonia is working on modifying its rules for a hypothetical new nomination of Puigdemont.

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Blockade or Return to Normality?

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With spring, the thaw has arrived. The street is heating up again in response to the repression under the baton of Judge Llarena in a sort of judicial Causa General.[2] An entire generation of Catalan pro-independence politicians is being hounded by jail or exile. The CDRs have taken center stage again. First, through confrontations with BRIMO and ARRO (anti-riot and support units of the Mossos d’Esquadra, the Catalan police), that are once again displaying their most brutal face. Then by road blocks and slow marches and by an “operation return” on Holy Week, in which they opened toll barriers on various highways. Massive and decentralized civil disobedience actions like those launched previously, which (perhaps because they have affected the interests of a stock-exchange listed company such as Abertis) have unleashed a new criminalization campaign by the Prosecutor’s Office, the newspaper La Razón, and the jerifaltes past and present of the PSOE such as Ábalos or Solana.[3] The arrest of the activist Tamara Carrasco by the Audiencia Nacional[4] has proved that these spaces for popular self-organization are the target and the huge mobilization of April 15 was seen as the great milestone of this spring.

However, with the attempt to install Jordi Turull as Catalan President the countdown to new elections has begun.[5] A complicated tactical dilemma is superimposed: the second investiture, more complicated still without a clear strategic horizon and with the repression hanging like a Democles sword over the Catalan parliament and the new President. Recent weeks have forcefully revived the hypothesis of installing Puigdemont among such actors as the CUP or the ANC (after the latter’s renewal of its leadership) who are relying on the strategy of blockade. The legitimacy of the independence movement to propose the candidate that it considers as the bloc that won the December 21 elections should not be questioned under any pretext. However, the debate should be focused on whether this is an adequate tactic for advancing the struggle for self-determination. To where does the hypothetical institutional blockade lead? Who is really being worn down?

A new frontal clash with the state would now occur without resolving any of the weaknesses that were expressed in the post-October 1 period, which allowed the state to gain the upper hand: the need to broaden the social base in favour of the Republic and to overcome the lack of counter-powers capable of sustaining the conflict over time without leaving anyone behind. Accordingly, the tactic in the investiture debate should be linked to the need for sovereign power to reorganize and explore new ways to force the state to sit down and give concrete form to the rupture with the regime. The other main position in the investiture debate, fundamentally embodied by the ERC, which consists of installing an effective “governance,” suffers from the opposite risk because it seems to abandon the path of institutional disobedience and poses a certain return to normality.

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It is safe to say that the independence movement today does not have the strength to bring about an independent republic. But it may have the strength to keep open the challenge to the regime and to force negotiation that fights the outcome longed-for by the state — a regressive shutdown and isolation of Catalonia with the conflict festering within. In this context, regaining control of the Generalitat can be another tool in the democratic conflict but the solution does not go through the narrow margin of effective management of an autonomy already achieved prior to the implementation of article 155.

How to find a way that does not hang on the blockade or on a return to normality? What role does disobedience play in this? As the CDRs have been implementing, disobedience must be able to mount actions, campaigns and mobilizations that do not normalize this barbarism and that continue to involve grassroots activists, unlike the pre-October process. On the other hand, institutional disobedience must abandon the phase of symbolism and rhetorical declarations and develop a strategy that prepares the ground to lead in better conditions to another crisis situation.

One of the major challenges of Catalan politics is to think out a social and economic program capable of resolving simultaneously the obstacles and material weaknesses expressed in the post-October 1 period, and the precarious conditions and poverty afflicting the popular classes. That is to say, the pro-sovereignty movement has to stop promising an Ithaca of social rights[6] and put in place mechanisms to guarantee them in conflict with the state. To achieve this, it is essential to recover the spirit of October 1 and 3 when one could sense the possibility of a subject that went beyond the independentism of the last decade with the ability to create spaces of mass self-organization in defense of self-determination. However, a certain tactical rigidity has not helped to maintain that unity and give it a political embodiment with the possibility — who knows? — of reversing the situation.

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Quim Torra is invested new president of Catalonia, substituting Carles Puigdemont

The Catalan Parliament has invested Quim Torra as the 131st president of Catalonia. The abstention of CUP's four deputies agreed by the party's Political Council this Sunday guaranteed the majority of 66 deputies from JxCat and ERC to 65 votes against from Ciutadans, PSC, Comuns and PP. The Parliament's speaker, Roger Torrent, shortly after 2:30pm this afternoon, proclaimed the result in favour of the fourth candidate JxCat has had to present after the Spanish state has prevented the proposals of Carles Puigdemont, Jordi Sànchez and Jordi Turull.

The vote, a voice vote as defined by the Parliament's rules, in this second round needed only a simple majority to pass. It included delegated votes from Puigdemont and minister Toni Comín, awaiting decisions in Berlin and Brussels on their extradition warrants, and from the deputies being held in Estremera and Soto del Real prisons, Oriol Junqueras, Jordi Sànchez, Jordi Turull, Josep Rull and Raül Romeva....

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Mariano Rajoy Ousted as Prime Minister After No-Confidence Vote

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has been forced out of office after a no-confidence vote was passed in the country's parliament. 

Socialist leader Pedro Sánchez, who lead the motion after Rajoy's party was implicated in a corruption scandal, is likely to become prime minister.

Rajoy is the first prime minister in modern Spanish history to be defeated in a no-confidence motion.

The vote is the second advanced by Sanchez against Rajoy in a year.

The motion received the support of six parties, including the progressive bloc of Podemos, the Basque Nationalist Party, the Catalan European Democratic Party, the Republican Left of Catalonia, and United Left, among others.

During the debate Thursday, members of these parties demanded Sanchez ensures a national discussion on self-governance and pro-independence movements, respect civil liberties, and policies to protect Spain's welfare system and repeal neoliberal reforms.

Despite repeated calls by Sanchez for Rajoy to resign, Rajoy announced Thursday he would not step down. However, Rajoy conceded defeat before the no-confidence vote according to Reuters, telling according to  deputies: "Mr Sanchez will be the head of the government and let me be the first to congratulate him."

The Basque Nationalist Party, whose five seats were crucial for Sanchez securing enough parliamentary backing, withdrew support from Rajoy after dozens of people linked to his center-right People's Party (PP) were sentenced to decades in jail in a corruption trial....

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‘Racist’ Catalan president vows to build republic as Spain vetoes ministers

I post below, with thanks, two articles by Barcelona-based correspondent Dick Nichols that were first published in Links, International Journal of Socialist Renewal. Nichols reports on recent developments in the Catalan struggle for national self-determination, and assesses the ideology of the newly installed prime minister Quim Torra. Highly recommended reading for socialists in Quebec and Canada, in particular, seeking to understand the politics of a certain conservative nationalism that is prevalent in movements for independence led by pro-capitalist political parties....

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Torra: ‘xenophobic, racist and supremacist’?

Who, then, is Quim Torra, Catalonia’s 131st president (and tenth of the modern era)? Inés Arrimades, leader of the opposition and head of Citizens in the Catalan parliament, gave her opinion on March 14: “We have before us at the head of the Catalan government a person whose ideology is perfectly clear from his articles: an ideology that defends xenophobia, that defends an exclusionary identity, defends populism.” Arrimades quoted from a 2012 piece from Torra called “The Language and the Beasts”, in which he said:

“You look at your country now and you see the beasts talking, but they are of another kind, scavengers, vipers, hyenas, beasts in human shape that drool hatred … against everything that the language, the Catalan language, represents … [T]hey recoil from everything that is not Spanish and in Castilian.”

Arrimades quoted another line from Torra: “Our nation is threatened by the avalanche of immigration with being dissolved like a sugar cube in a glass of milk.”

Barcelona mayor Ada Colau had previously commented on Facebook:

“For me and millions of people it is important to know if someone who is standing as a candidate for the presidency thinks that there are first and second class Catalans according to where they were born or what language they speak.”

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