Charlottesville Virginia :Car Plows Into Anti-Fascist Protesters

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Paladin1 wrote:

Maybe I just want to wash their feet, wage zombie?

I'm not really surprised by the narrative though. Disagree with someone? Call them a nazi. Wash rinse repeat lol

 

More like: Defend nazis, we'll assume you're in agreement with them. 

I mean "moderates on both sides"??? Are you having a laugh? We should find some moderate neofascists??? Like that's a thing? 

If you don't want to own it, don't do it. 

Paladin1

wage zombie wrote:

I guess I should have quoted Paladin1 to have a record of what he posted before he edited it.  I'm out of practice.

If you remind me the gist of it I'll try and repeat it for you.  I probably deleted whatever it was because it was more snarky/rude than I intended. It may have to wait for a week or so though as I'm about to leave for my Secret Nazi base in Antarctica to visit but I'll be back next week!

Timebandit wrote:

The students surrounding the Jefferson monument the night of the torch march didn't "seem" violent. In fact, they were protesting peacefully when surrounded by torch-bearing neofascists and maced. A woman in a wheelchair was one of those maced. I can't imagine why anyone would bring a weapon after their peaceful counterprotest had been respected in such a way.

There's the answer then. An arms race. Canada could probably give all parties involved a good deal on armored vehicles eh?

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The idea that we could all sit down and get along depends on us being polite to you. I don't know that I'd be inclined. I think at this point my courtesy would only extend to declining to waste my time. 

I guess that's not as bad as punching me in the face. I'll hold on to that olive branch incase you change your mind.

 

It's funny though, here I am saying violence isn't the answer. Treat everyone with respect. Stop being assholes to each other. And I'm getting called a Nazi for it.

 

Alan those guys look like douchbags. The militia you're talking about I take it? I find it a bit ironic (but not at all humourous or entertaining) how a left wing guy used a gun a couple months ago to try and kill the senator and this right wing guy used a car.  I haven't seen the video from the story I posted, it sounds like it's int he hands of the police. Unless shes lying (do you think shes lying?). Maybe Milo will have to print a retraction if the story is fake?

Paladin1

Timebandit wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

Maybe I just want to wash their feet, wage zombie?

I'm not really surprised by the narrative though. Disagree with someone? Call them a nazi. Wash rinse repeat lol

 

More like: Defend nazis, we'll assume you're in agreement with them. 

I mean "moderates on both sides"??? Are you having a laugh? We should find some moderate neofascists??? Like that's a thing? 

If you don't want to own it, don't do it. 

Sorry for the miscommunication. I mean moderates between left wing and right wing in general terms. Not all right wing protestors are neo nazis nor are all left wing protestors violent in their own right. Lots of people in the middle who are heavily vested in this stuff and not homacidal.

6079_Smith_W

Paladin1 wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:
This is murder, paladin. Not free speech.

W

Yup. Hitting someone with a car on purpose is murder. If it was up to me I'd nail him with one count of murder and 19 attempted murders (or whatever the number of injured is). 

He has been charged with murder. You think it's a joke?

Paladin1

No? Why would you think I think it's a joke? Because I'm suggesting he be charged with 19 counts of attempted murder on top of being charged with murder? Because 19 counts of attempted murder is funny and not serious?

JKR

Paladin1 wrote:

 It's funny though, here I am saying violence isn't the answer. Treat everyone with respect. Stop being assholes to each other. And I'm getting called a Nazi for it.

By its very nature white-supremacy supports violence against others. So referring to white-supremacists as being "moderates" is being an asshole to others. People who support white-supremists should not be surprised when they are thought of as being a NAZI by others. People who want everyone to get along must by definition renounce racism and white-supremacy and support those opposed to white-supremacy and racism.

Paladin1

Off to the Nazi base, will respond when I'm home. Try to be excellent to each other.

wage zombie
josh

I don't believe that's right.  If they did not engage in violence, they shouldn't lose their job.  

6079_Smith_W

Right. But this isn't about a mob showing up in town, many in paramilitary gear, many armed with assault rifles, and someone being murdered in a terrorist act. It's some concern troll about free speech and everyone being capable of violence.

cco

josh wrote:

I don't believe that's right.  If they did not engage in violence, they shouldn't lose their job.  

Yeah, if only they had a union to protect them against being fired for off-the-job Nazism. Good thing Virginians narrowly voted against right-to-work last November. Something tells me the far right will be oblivious to the irony, though.

6079_Smith_W

Is there perhaps some confusion about the fact Nazism is by definition a movement that promotes hatred, racism, state violence and terror? Given this murder, and the fact these Nazis are being encouraged and shielded by the president, I could care less about arguments about not getting them fired. This isjust game playing, and they count on people falling for it so they can continue the confusionand the violence.

NDPP

John McCain

https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/896515795114766337

"White supremacists aren't patriots, they're traitors - Americans must unite against hatred and bigotry..."

Rev Pesky

From Paladin 1:

...Not all right wing protestors are neo nazis

That is true. But in this case it was neo-Nazi's, white supremacists and others with a political philosophy that encourages the use of violence and the disparagement of democracy as a failure.

Not only that, but they were there to demonstrate their opposition to the city council's decision to remove the statue of a civil war general from a park. Surely the democratic decision of the council is subject to the local population, not groups of armed men coming into town to try and change the council's mind.

​After all, there is nothing that says the neo-Nazi's and white supremacists couldn't help in the next election to remove the councillors that voted for the measure, and replace them with people who believe the statue should remain.

​The problem is, they don't believe in elections, they don't believe in majority rules. The only rule they believe in is the rule of force. There is no 'moderate' position.

Rev Pesky

Meanwhile, I think this event is a much more serious threat to Trump than the Russia thing. Trump's failure to denounce the neo-Nazi's, his history of seeking support from them, and his use of some of their slogans is too much even for the Republican Party. 

The days when the Republicans could get away with racism within their ranks is over, and they know it. Trump is going to have to stand up and disavow a large part of his support, or lose what support he has left in the Republican Party. He can't have both.

Doug Woodard

Perhaps Americans should pay closer attention to the words and thoughts of Robert E. Lee than to the form of his body:

"I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the example of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee

 

Aristotleded24

Paladin1 wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

When Hodgkinson shot Scalise, many on the left denounced that and called that out, including Bernie Sanders. If you saw any lefties cheering on that action, please share it with the rest of us.

Across social media. Like Greg here.

There's going to be tons of people on the left cheering on this kind of violence just like there will be tons of people on the left denouncing it. And the same for the right when the roles are reversed. That's my point.

You found an obscure tweet from some "Greg" guy who nobody here knows who he is. How does that prove your point?

Paladin1 wrote:
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To a point I agree that there are crazies on all sides and we all have to look in the mirror and examine ourselves from time to time, however to pretend as though that's where it ends when there is evidence of one side being worse (think of the neo-Nazi rally in front of the high school in Red Deer earlier this year) really misses the point as well.

Are you talking about the Anti-Muslim protest over a school yard fight? If so I'm reading 5 members of the Sons of Odin showed up to join in the protest along side a bunch of other people. 5 members doesn't strike me as a significant neo nazi rally. Did the protest turn violent? I'm not sure what I'm looking for (not being passive-agressive here).

No, there was no violence as far as I am aware, however their presence at the high-school in Red Deer was very much designed for intimidation. It is possible to intimidate (or try to) people without resorting to physical violence. Really, going after high school kids?

Paladin1 wrote:
Again, both sides have professional protestors.  watching videos of ANTIFA riots and such and how violent those are I'm standing by my views that both sides have elements that are equally violent and stupid.

">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnq3RrCYG54

For the record, I think there was absolutely no defense for what happened at Berkley. Pretty hypocritical to claim to be standing up to violence and opression by attacking people you disagree with. Having said that, as many people have pointed out, the main issue is that the ideology represented by the far-right protestors involves the subjugation of lesser peoples, and to me is a much more serious matter than a mere philosophical disagreement over something like the role of the government in managing the market or some such like. I'll concede your point that casually throwing around terms like "Nazi" to describe your political opponents is silly. However, can you at least acknowldedge that the people who showed up in Charlottesville, in this particular instance, were there to cause trouble? When Republican Senators are in agreement with the majority on this thread, you don't have a leg to stand on with this false equivalency. Sure I'll acknowledge faults in the left, but as Bill Maher said, "if you truly wanted to come down on restoring sanity and reason, you'd side with the sane and the reasonable" To quote Bill Maher further:

"2 opposing sides don't necessarily have 2 compelling arguments. Martin Luther King...didn't say 'remember folks, those southern sheriffs with the fire hoses and the German shepherds, they have a point too!' No, he said, 'I have a dream, they have a nightmare.'"

Paladin1 wrote:
To quote Noam Chomsky again;

“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.”

I agree.  Let them have their freedom of speech to spout racism and bigotry. And I'll use my freedom of speech to denounce that in strong, unequivocal terms.

Rev Pesky

Freedom of speech is one thing, calling for war is another.

One group loved Trump’s remarks about Charlottesville: White supremacists

Trump’s choice of words — and the silence that preceded them — are being cheered by at least a few groups of people: neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

On the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website, updates about Saturday’s events unfolded quickly, as hundreds of mostly young, white men who had gathered in Charlottesville to stage a rally to “take America back” clashed with counterprotesters.

“WE HAVE AN ARMY!” the website posted to a live blog shortly after 11 a.m., along with photos of people carrying Confederate flags and neo-Nazi paraphernalia. “THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A WAR!”

...Less than a half-hour after Trump’s live remarks, the Daily Stormer had declared the president’s words as a signal of tacit support for their side:

Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us.

He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate … on both sides!

So he implied the antifa are haters.

There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.

He said he loves us all.

“No condemnation at all,” the Daily Stormer wrote. “When asked to condemn, [Trump] just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

...The Daily Stormer wrapped up its coverage of Saturday’s violence in Charlottesville by attacking House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for speaking out forcefully against white supremacists and neo-Nazis. It ended with nary a word about Trump — but an optimistic note to those who had protested in Charlottesville, and a word of warning to everyone else.

“And to everyone, know this: we are now at war. And we are not going to back down. … We are going to go bigger than Charlottesville. We are going to go huge. We are going to take over the country. … We learned a lot today. And we are going to remember what we learned. This has only just begun.”

So let us not pretend that this is a freedom of speech issue. This is paramilitary groups threatening physical violence to get their way. Encouraged by a president who is just too stupid to grasp the size of the hole he's digging.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Orrin Hatch , Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio denounced the attack and called them out for what they are. Something that President Hitler refused to do.

And when I find myself in agreement with people such as that,the reality is clear.

STOP DEFENDING NAZIS !

Even despicible and disgusting politicians such as those 3 aren't defending them.

There's no such thing as a 'moderate' Nazi or white nationalist/supremists. That is the far,far right of the spectrum. They are fascists. Stop it or discuss the matter at Dailystormer where your opinion won't be attacked.

WWWTT

I find it reall odd and hypocritical of the US, who uses an attitude of supremecy to impose their views to impose hostile violent sanctions on North Korea Iran Russia, military actions in the middle east and north Africa region and many other regions around the world, but somehow feel that when that EXACT SAME hostility (maybe to a lesser ectent) is turned in on to themselves, it's a bad thing now. Where were all these US political leaders when the US raged war in the middle east/north Africa?

The US Imperialism isn't going to stop until it hits rock bottom. And only when it hits rock bottom, will the US look at itself in the mirror to see what it has become, where it's going and what it has left to salvage (and many more things to contemplate). Has the US hit rock bottom? I doubt it. But it's getting closer! When the US elected Obama, the Americans were trying to deny anything was wrong with US imperialism and US imperialism opened the doors to business as usual. At least with Trump and white supremists, the US's head is physically grabed, twisted, and forced to look at it's own ugly face in the mirror That white supremist is in every US citizen, that Donald Trump is every American.

josh

Rev Pesky wrote:

Freedom of speech is one thing, calling for war is another.

One group loved Trump’s remarks about Charlottesville: White supremacists

Trump’s choice of words — and the silence that preceded them — are being cheered by at least a few groups of people: neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

On the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website, updates about Saturday’s events unfolded quickly, as hundreds of mostly young, white men who had gathered in Charlottesville to stage a rally to “take America back” clashed with counterprotesters.

“WE HAVE AN ARMY!” the website posted to a live blog shortly after 11 a.m., along with photos of people carrying Confederate flags and neo-Nazi paraphernalia. “THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A WAR!”

...Less than a half-hour after Trump’s live remarks, the Daily Stormer had declared the president’s words as a signal of tacit support for their side:

Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us.

He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate … on both sides!

So he implied the antifa are haters.

There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.

He said he loves us all.

“No condemnation at all,” the Daily Stormer wrote. “When asked to condemn, [Trump] just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

...The Daily Stormer wrapped up its coverage of Saturday’s violence in Charlottesville by attacking House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for speaking out forcefully against white supremacists and neo-Nazis. It ended with nary a word about Trump — but an optimistic note to those who had protested in Charlottesville, and a word of warning to everyone else.

“And to everyone, know this: we are now at war. And we are not going to back down. … We are going to go bigger than Charlottesville. We are going to go huge. We are going to take over the country. … We learned a lot today. And we are going to remember what we learned. This has only just begun.”

So let us not pretend that this is a freedom of speech issue. This is paramilitary groups threatening physical violence to get their way. Encouraged by a president who is just too stupid to grasp the size of the hole he's digging.

It's a freedom of speech thing in the sense that those remarks--this is a beginning of a war, we are going to take over--should not subject them to punishment by the government.  But that doesn't mean those remarks are entitled to be spread on the internet.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/nation-now/2017/08/14/godaddy-kicks-out-neo-nazi-website-the-daily-stormer/563949001/

The bigger problem is the weapons they were carrying as part of the march.  If they are required to obtain a license for the march, they should be required to not bring weapons.

https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/897062883657478146

lagatta4

Alan, while I agree with you, if I recall, we aren't supposed to link to neo-Nazi, fascist or racist websites.

WWWTT, your viewpoint has a dangerous precedent, during an "ultra-left" period when the German Communist Party was calling the Social-Democrats worse than the Nazis...

pookie

(this idiotic platform suddenly won't let me quote)

Re Post #68, and Paladin's example of  @waltisfrozen, I just want to say that to describe the quoted tweets as "cheering on" the shooting of Steve Scalise is a gross mischaracterization.  He points out the possibility that it could cause Republicans to rethink things, and even admits that that may sound callous.  I don't perceive him as revelling in the event at all.  Reading over his feed, it seems pretty normal anti-Trump stuff.

I'm sure there may be some people who said reprehensible stuff about Scalise's attack, but IMO that one didn't qualify.  

Also, I have double the followers this guy does.  So, yeah, pretty obscure.

pookie

Re the naming and shaming of white demonstrators - especially at that creepy KKK-lite demo the previous evening, my principal concern is false positives, which do happen.  Otherwise, you hold a torch at night and chant white supremacist slogans, UNMASKED?? I think you have to be prepared to face legally valid consequences (ie., your employer becoming concerned that your continued presence with, say, black employees might be disruptive).

6079_Smith_W
WWWTT

lagatta4 wrote:

Alan, while I agree with you, if I recall, we aren't supposed to link to neo-Nazi, fascist or racist websites.

WWWTT, your viewpoint has a dangerous precedent, during an "ultra-left" period when the German Communist Party was calling the Social-Democrats worse than the Nazis...

Sorry for calling a spade a spade. Actually no I'm not sorry. Maybe I should say you better get use to the hard fact that a violent nation will only accept a bitter violent loss to accept it has errored for too long and must change.

There was a brief moment in the US during the 1970's after the Vietnam loss, things were moving in the right direction. Then Raegan happened. But was it Raegan's fault? Or was it the fault of the Americans! If people think the road to peace IS NOT paved  with violence, than the US is not on the right road. Think I'm wrong? Find a historical event that you can link!

josh

I mean, quite frankly, I've been to these events, a lot of the KKK guys with their hats off look like they’re from the cast of Seinfeld. Literally they’re just Jewish actors. Nothing against Jews in general, but they are leftists Jews that want to create this clash and they go dress up as Nazis. I have footage in Austin -- we're going to find it somewhere here at the office -- where it literally looks like cast of Seinfeld or like Howard Stern in a Nazi outfit. They all look like Howard Stern. They almost got like little curly hair down

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/08/14/alex-jones-lot-kkk-protesters-are-jewish-actors-who-look-cast-seinfeld-their-hoods/217615

NorthReport

Doomed to repeat it

Erasing history only prolongs a civil war that never really ended

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/08/13/doomed-to-repeat-it/

6079_Smith_W

WWWTT wrote:

Sorry for calling a spade a spade. Actually no I'm not sorry. Maybe I should say you better get use to the hard fact that a violent nation will only accept a bitter violent loss to accept it has errored for too long and must change.

What on earth are you talking about?

This weekend's violence was over the removal of a monument to the Civil War, which saw what was still the bloodiest battle in their history. Everything in that part of the country was utterly destroyed. You want to know where reaching the so-called bottom of violence gets you? People holding on to hatred like this for 150 years because they don't know any other way.

This violence may be shocking, and an indication of just how entrenched and supported by the status quo it is, but it isn't anything new, or even much of an escalation.  It has always been here.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

A GUIDE TO WHO’S COMING TO THE LARGEST WHITE NATIONALIST RALLY IN A DECADE

quote:

I have identified over thirty groups and prominent individuals who will be speaking at or attending the event, or have provided support for or endorsed it. This list includes Alt Right and Alt Lite members, neoconfederates, neonazis, racist pagans, Patriot movement paramilitaries, and even a European neonazi party. What follows is a scorecard of the Far Right groups that have announced they will attend the event, although undoubtedly many more will come.

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Doomed to repeat it

Erasing history only prolongs a civil war that never really ended

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/08/13/doomed-to-repeat-it/

What a bunch of crap.  No one forced him to take command of the secessionists.  Or to keep his slaves.  And under his command black Union soldiers taken prisoners were often murdered, and black civilians in Maryland and Pennsylvania were captured and shipped to the south to become slaves.

NorthReport

Charlottesville And The Rise Of White Identity Politics

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/charlottesville-and-the-rise-of-whi...

NorthReport

Help Save the Next Girl Comes to Charlottesville Following Death of Heather Heyer

http://www.nbc29.com/story/36126127/help-save-the-next-girl-comes-to-cha...

NorthReport
bekayne

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

I find it reall odd and hypocritical of the US, who uses an attitude of supremecy to impose their views to impose hostile violent sanctions on North Korea Iran Russia, military actions in the middle east and north Africa region and many other regions around the world, but somehow feel that when that EXACT SAME hostility (maybe to a lesser ectent) is turned in on to themselves, it's a bad thing now. Where were all these US political leaders when the US raged war in the middle east/north Africa?

The US Imperialism isn't going to stop until it hits rock bottom. And only when it hits rock bottom, will the US look at itself in the mirror to see what it has become, where it's going and what it has left to salvage (and many more things to contemplate). Has the US hit rock bottom? I doubt it. But it's getting closer! When the US elected Obama, the Americans were trying to deny anything was wrong with US imperialism and US imperialism opened the doors to business as usual. At least with Trump and white supremists, the US's head is physically grabed, twisted, and forced to look at it's own ugly face in the mirror That white supremist is in every US citizen, that Donald Trump is every American.

It sure seems like you have a huge superiority complex. Look in the mirror. Americans are not that different from the rest of us.

josh

WWWTT wrote:

I find it reall odd and hypocritical of the US, who uses an attitude of supremecy to impose their views to impose hostile violent sanctions on North Korea Iran Russia, military actions in the middle east and north Africa region and many other regions around the world, but somehow feel that when that EXACT SAME hostility (maybe to a lesser ectent) is turned in on to themselves, it's a bad thing now. Where were all these US political leaders when the US raged war in the middle east/north Africa?

The US Imperialism isn't going to stop until it hits rock bottom. And only when it hits rock bottom, will the US look at itself in the mirror to see what it has become, where it's going and what it has left to salvage (and many more things to contemplate). Has the US hit rock bottom? I doubt it. But it's getting closer! When the US elected Obama, the Americans were trying to deny anything was wrong with US imperialism and US imperialism opened the doors to business as usual. At least with Trump and white supremists, the US's head is physically grabed, twisted, and forced to look at it's own ugly face in the mirror That white supremist is in every US citizen, that Donald Trump is every American.

Would love to respond, but have to run and pick up my white sheet and hood from the cleaners.

 

WWWTT

6079_Smith_W wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Sorry for calling a spade a spade. Actually no I'm not sorry. Maybe I should say you better get use to the hard fact that a violent nation will only accept a bitter violent loss to accept it has errored for too long and must change.

What on earth are you talking about?

This weekend's violence was over the removal of a monument to the Civil War, which saw what was still the bloodiest battle in their history. Everything in that part of the country was utterly destroyed. You want to know where reaching the so-called bottom of violence gets you? People holding on to hatred like this for 150 years because they don't know any other way.

This violence may be shocking, and an indication of just how entrenched and supported by the status quo it is, but it isn't anything new, or even much of an escalation.  It has always been here.

Does it really matter what it was over?

WWWTT

JKR wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

I find it reall odd and hypocritical of the US, who uses an attitude of supremecy to impose their views to impose hostile violent sanctions on North Korea Iran Russia, military actions in the middle east and north Africa region and many other regions around the world, but somehow feel that when that EXACT SAME hostility (maybe to a lesser ectent) is turned in on to themselves, it's a bad thing now. Where were all these US political leaders when the US raged war in the middle east/north Africa?

The US Imperialism isn't going to stop until it hits rock bottom. And only when it hits rock bottom, will the US look at itself in the mirror to see what it has become, where it's going and what it has left to salvage (and many more things to contemplate). Has the US hit rock bottom? I doubt it. But it's getting closer! When the US elected Obama, the Americans were trying to deny anything was wrong with US imperialism and US imperialism opened the doors to business as usual. At least with Trump and white supremists, the US's head is physically grabed, twisted, and forced to look at it's own ugly face in the mirror That white supremist is in every US citizen, that Donald Trump is every American.

It sure seems like you have a huge superiority complex. Look in the mirror. Americans are not that different from the rest of us.

When I last checked the US is a free democracy. Should I use a ! or ? 吗

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

In Massive 'Outpouring of Solidarity,' Thousands Rally for Charlottesville

Thousands of Americans in cities across the country rallied Sunday night to denounce the racism displayed at the so-called "Unite the Right" rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, and to mourn the death of Heather Heyer, an activist who was killed Saturday during an anti-racist demonstration....

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Does it really matter what it was over?

Ya, it kind of does.

It would be nice to see the same kind of mobilization around the closing of a school, or the inaccessibility of health care, or really just the removal of anything more important than a monument to slavery.

WWWTT

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
Does it really matter what it was over?

Ya, it kind of does.

It would be nice to see the same kind of mobilization around the closing of a school, or the inaccessibility of health care, or really just the removal of anything more important than a monument to slavery.

Oh you forgot Tranvestites not to be allowed in the military!

Ya it may matter to you? But only violence will stop violence. According to history, not me.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/us/los-angeles-riots-fast-facts/index.html

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

lagatta4 wrote:

Alan, while I agree with you, if I recall, we aren't supposed to link to neo-Nazi, fascist or racist websites.

 

Clearly you don't understand context,Lagatta.

The particular poster was making excuses for nazis and making false equivalencies. I was calling him out.

He was the one breaking Rabble policy. Much more blatantly than me.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Oh you forgot Tranvestites not to be allowed in the military!

Yes.  Also important when you're not being honest.  And frogs not being allowed to marry a spatula.

Paladin1

I found WiFi in the secret Nazi base, lucky me. I've read false equalvincy about 30 times in the last couple days, guessing that's the latest catch phrase. Or I'm behind the times. 

No excuses for Nazis, they suck and their assholes. But does that mean they aren't protected under the same rights and laws as everyone else?  

My post about greg from twitter was weak. heres another one from Milos page which talks about what happened in  charlottesville. i don't want to give out too many spoilers but a woman denounces the nazi assholes then makes the mistake of saying in her opinion people on the far left were behaving violently too.  naturally  that makes her a nazi. 

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/08/nyt-writer-antifa-violence/

great comments and videos youll want to ignore. 

 

 

Paladin1

bekayne wrote:

Is it ironic  that this is a buddhist manji and not a swastika? 

Aristotleded24

Paladin1 wrote:
I found WiFi in the secret Nazi base, lucky me. I've read false equalvincy about 30 times in the last couple days, guessing that's the latest catch phrase. Or I'm behind the times.

I don't know what your game is here, Paladin. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and maybe you're trying to lighten things up with humour or what have you, but please, in light of what happened, joking around about being a Nazi is in really bad taste. Maybe you're feeling upset about being called a Nazi or maybe you feel you're being treated unfairly or ganged up on. Fine, I get that. You want to express those feelings, fine, I'll hear you out (which is not to say that I'll necessarily come around to your way of thinking on any given issue). But please, stop, think, and at least hear out the perspectives of other people here. I don't know what your political leanings are (I suspect you lean somewhat to the right) but I do respect you as a contributor to this community, and I would hate to see this conflict escalate to the point of people being banned or feeling as though they can't post here.

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Paladin1 wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Is it ironic  that this is a buddhist manji and not a swastika? 

LOL! Actually it's a corporate media spin on Trump.

Trump comments bringing you down folks? Don't worry westerners, the corporate media is here to make Trump MORE racist than you so you can feel comfortable with your level of racism and you can go on hating people.

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Is it ironic  that this is a buddhist manji and not a swastika?

It's ironic that you pretend to know what a buddhist manji is and at the same time NOT know that it "runs" counter-clockwise.

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Rev Pesky wrote:

From Paladin 1:

...Not all right wing protestors are neo nazis

That is true. But in this case it was neo-Nazi's, white supremacists and others with a political philosophy that encourages the use of violence and the disparagement of democracy as a failure.

Not only that, but they were there to demonstrate their opposition to the city council's decision to remove the statue of a civil war general from a park. Surely the democratic decision of the council is subject to the local population, not groups of armed men coming into town to try and change the council's mind.

​After all, there is nothing that says the neo-Nazi's and white supremacists couldn't help in the next election to remove the councillors that voted for the measure, and replace them with people who believe the statue should remain.

Regarding the issue of removal of the statue, you can actually make an argument against its removal. The fact is that slavery happened, it was ugly and dehumanzing, and you could argue that removing the statue you are actually sanitizing history. It can serve as a reminder of the brutality of slavery and why it is important that we do not allow that history to repeat itself.

Speaking of history, remember that the North won the Civil War, and the winners of war write the history books so naturally the history of the Civil War is written to make the North look good at the expense of the South. What was essentially happening was that the northern industrial economy was expanding and coming into conflict with the southern agrarian economy (keep in mind that in the industrial economy agrarian slavery was no longer viable, so that was replaced by wage slavery), and the industrialists won. I think it's kind of hypocritical to claim that the North was on the side of good and to end slavery, considering the brutal conditions that went on in those factories, and the brutal, violent response of the state to workers organizing to improve said conditions. And not that I condone the neo-Confederate revisionist history either, but the Southern economy was at its height during slavery, they were never fully integrated economically, and that's created conditions where charlatans come in and say, "yeah, dem yankees wanna destroy every-thang we value, let's kick'em out" and people believe it. Let's just stop the self-righteousness about how virtuous the North was.

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