Detention of Meng Wanzhou - CFO of Huawei

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@NDPP and Mr Magoo 

I’d think you’d have to look at what is actually sanctioned against Iran 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

It is hard to find anything definitive but it appears she is being accused of lying to a US regulatory agency.  There is no body, no theft nothing except the possibility that she bullshitted a US agency. Any body that watches any Congressional hearings can hear lies and half truths most days. When did international extraditions become a matter of trivial pursuit?

We live in a state of permanent war. Canada's navy has been on a war footing since Bush the Impaler launched the first Gulf War. Trade sanctions and economic blockades have been a weapon of war for millennia and from our Middle East base in the dictatorship of Bahrain our navy enforces non-UN sanctions. Using our court system for this shows that the rule of law internationally is considered irrelevant by the people directing this war effort. It seems that the spooks have taken over the world and since they can't hack these phones they are in a snit.

Noops

kropotkin1951 wrote:

...Any body that watches any Congressional hearings can hear lies and half truths most days. When did international extraditions become a matter of trivial pursuit?

We live in a state of permanent war. Canada's navy has been on a war footing since Bush the Impaler launched the first Gulf War. Trade sanctions and economic blockades have been a weapon of war for millennia and from our Middle East base in the dictatorship of Bahrain our navy enforces non-UN sanctions. Using our court system for this shows that the rule of law internationally is considered irrelevant by the people directing this war effort. It seems that the spooks have taken over the world and since they can't hack these phones they are in a snit.


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NDPP

The Kidnapping of Huawei Exexcutive Meng Wanzhou

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/08/pers-d07.html

"...A more hawkish policy toward China makes sense." - NYT-

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We are in an age where war is fought through economic measures.

NDPP

LIVE: Bail Hearing Resume For May Wanzhou

https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/12/10/live-coverage-as-bail-heari...

"Follow investigative reporter Michael Mui below for live coverage of day two of the bail hearing..."

Noops

Pogo wrote:

We are in an age where war is fought through economic measures.

True. But this is more than just economic measures.
If it was just economic measures they could have fined/sued the company.

This is economic measures + kidnapping.
They are holding Weng for ransome (bail).
 

Pogo Pogo's picture

Yes this is a pretty dramatic step.  Having a hard time comparing bail to ransome.  If China pays Canada the bail (and she runs) will the Uncle Sam be happy?

Noops

NDPP wrote:

The Kidnapping of Huawei Exexcutive Meng Wanzhou

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/08/pers-d07.html

"...A more hawkish policy toward China makes sense." - NYT-

Thanks NDPP. The most comprehensive overview and analysis of the story that I have read to date.

I could really relate to this commenter at the bottom of the article:

"1badgeless12 days ago

I don't understand how the U.S. can unilaterally make a law that holds another state criminally responsible for breaking an embargo on Iran?

And she's arrested for this so-called-crime outside the U.S

The U.S. repeatedly violates international law and treaties but they would be outraged to the point of military attack if another state arrested an equally important American citizen.

I'm also disturbed by Canada's role in this. It would seem to me Canada would recognize this as a kidnapping not a crime. Is Canada under the whip of the U.S,?

Scary stuff. Scary times."

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I doubt that bail in this case is an attempt to squeeze munnee out of Meng or Huawei.  For starters, you get your bail money back if you show up for trial.

Electronic monitoring seems reasonable, though.  At the end of the day, while we have to acknowledge that she's a massive flight risk, she's also not a hardened and violent criminal.  If she skips out, she skips out.

Does B.C. have an Ecuadorian embassy, by any chance?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Even this discussion misses the point that this is a business woman not a Chinese government official. Normally in Canada it takes some pretty fancy footwork to pierce the corporate veil and make individual oligarchs liable for anything. Now we seem to be will-nilly making individuals sanction targets for the actions of their governments, as happened with the 18 Venezuelans deemed by our state as responsible for the problems in that country.  In just a short period we have gone from that outrage to kidnapping business people from countries that are not under NATO control. 

If I thought that it would lead to lowering the domestic corporate veil that protects our oligarchy from paying for their mistakes I would welcome this direction, but sadly I don't.

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I don't understand how the U.S. can unilaterally make a law that holds another state criminally responsible for breaking an embargo on Iran?

Where to even start?

China is not "criminally responsible" for breaking sanctions on Iran.  Meng is not being charged with breaking sanctions on Iran.  Meng is being charged with fraud, committed in the U.S.

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And she's arrested for this so-called-crime outside the U.S

Fraud is an actual crime, not a pretend crime.  You can be arrested almost anywhere.

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I'm also disturbed by Canada's role in this. It would seem to me Canada would recognize this as a kidnapping not a crime. Is Canada under the whip of the U.S,?

Canada is obligated by its own laws and treaties.

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I could really relate to this commenter at the bottom of the article:

Why, Noops?  All of this commenter's confusions and misunderstandings have been addressed already in this thread.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Does B.C. have an Ecuadorian embassy, by any chance?

Actually she has acess to a much better option than that. Its less than 4 km from the courthouse.

The Consulate-General of the People's Republic of China in Vancouver:

3380 Granville Street, Vancouver, BC, V6H 3K3

Tel: (604) 7365188 Fax: (604)737-0154

24-hour service of automatic telephone information: (604)-7340704/7363955

Office hours: 9:00AM –1:00PM (Monday to Friday, closed on holidays)

Consular Service District: British Columbia and Yukon.

They offer basic services in her situation to any Chinese citizen so you bet the Consulate staff are deeply involved. In her case I can only imagine what "necessary assistance therefrom" is being offered.

II. Consular Protection and Services That Chinese Diplomatic or Consular Mission Overseas Can Provide
     
* When your legitimate rights and interests are violated in the country of your residence, or when you are involved in economic, labor and other civil disputes or criminal cases, and you have resorted to law for protection of your rights and interests, you may inform the Chinese diplomatic or consular mission in that country of what has happened and seek necessary assistance therefrom.

* The above-mentioned assistance includes preliminary legal counsel and general guidance on how to proceed with legal proceedings in the country of your residence; recommendation of local lawyers and translators at your request to assist you in the lawsuit; and sitting in on court trial as appropriate. 

WWWTT

I actually agree with you Mr Magoo! 

And this is isn't out of line for the US. Martha Stewart even did jailtime for inside trading or something like that!

However, China isn't Martha Stewart. In the sense that China actually is a more powerfull country than the US, forget Martha! China will probably not let this go unanswered. Nor will China let Canada walk free with Justin only shrugging his shoulders and washing his hands saying "hey not my fault" I suspect China will try to test Justin's and the liberals re-election bid in some way. Bombardier will probably have a harder time securing rail/aviation contracts moving forward.

NDPP

Canada-China Relations Sour After Ottawa Kidnaps Huawei Executive

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/10/huaw-d10.html

"...Washington's demand for Canada to detain Meng is also part of a broader campaign, uniting senior Democrats and Republicans to prevail on Ottawa to bar the Chinese tech giant from a role in the development of the country's 5G telecommunications network. 

The Trudeau government's determination to tie Canadian imperialism's fate ever more closely to the US in the coming economic, geopolitical and military conflicts enjoys broad support in ruling circles. However divisions are sharpening over China..."

Video: Behind the US' Attack on Chinese Smartphones

https://youtu.be/bkHb4vO96Uk

"An aggression against our vital interests." - US-

Noops

Mr. Magoo wrote:

China is not "criminally responsible" for breaking sanctions on Iran.  Meng is not being charged with breaking sanctions on Iran.  Meng is being charged with fraud, committed in the U.S.

And yet if you read the MSM spin for the past week, under almost every headline it states something to the effect of  “The U.S. alleges that Huawei used a Hong Kong shell company to sell equipment in Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions.” (CBC News Dec 10, 2018).

Almost every story starts and ends with violation of U.S. sanctions by Huawei.

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I'm also disturbed by Canada's role in this. It would seem to me Canada would recognize this as a kidnapping not a crime. Is Canada under the whip of the U.S,?

Canada is obligated by its own laws and treaties.

How would Canada feel about China honoring its own laws and treaties and kidnapping
a CEO of a major Canadian corporation, before any due process in courts?

Noops

I like this guy. He gets it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03D-0uDOj_c

NDPP

Canada's Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Take China Hostage in 'Rules-Based Order' Plot

http://johnhelmer.net/canadas-prime-minister-and-foreign-minister-take-c...

"...Our western colleagues use the term 'international law' less and less often,' responded Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov. 'Instead they talk more about a rules-based order. I do not see the difference between a rules based order and international law, but judging by the situation in which the term is used, our western colleagues believe that international law is something that calls for universal coordination, while a rules-based order is something they can invent themselves..."

 

TRNN: US & Canada Violate International Law With the Arrest of Chinese Huawei Exec

https://youtu.be/17KDxqffVFI

Col Larry Wilkerson explains that it's not the Chinese Huawei executive that violated law when circumventing US sanctions, but it is the US that violates them by imposing sanctions that have never been agreed to on an international level..."

NDPP

Court returns 10:am Tues in Vancouver: Live Updates

https://twitter.com/mui24hours?lang=en

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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NOTE: The Ukrainian Foreign Minister of Canada, Chrystia Freeland, has endorsed the arrest of Meng, and instructed Canada’s ambassador to Beijing to explain.

Someone needs to tell this John Helmer clown that she was born in Alberta. 

NDPP

Canada Goose Boycott 'Likely' Over Huawei

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1072346446266056705

"Chinese consumers seem to have kicked off a boycott of Canadian goods with the popular Canada Goose brand hit first. If Canada keeps detaining a senior Huawei executive in a compliant move to woo the US, the repudiation of Canada's goods will expand."

Canadian coyotes will be glad!

https://www.peta.org/features/coyotes-killed-for-canada-goose/

NDPP

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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NOTE: The Ukrainian Foreign Minister of Canada, Chrystia Freeland, has endorsed the arrest of Meng, and instructed Canada’s ambassador to Beijing to explain.

Someone needs to tell this John Helmer clown that she was born in Alberta. 

NDPP wrote:

Can't imagine how he might have thought that. Perhaps it's because she acts like 'the Ukrainian Foreign Minister of Canada'?  But as there seems to be a handy reply box immediately below the article, and just to make sure, why don't you?

voice of the damned

Noops wrote:

And yet if you read the MSM spin for the past week, under almost every headline it states something to the effect of  “The U.S. alleges that Huawei used a Hong Kong shell company to sell equipment in Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions.” (CBC News Dec 10, 2018).

That might be the spin the media is putting on the case, but it doesn't mean that it's the legal reason she's being detained.

I saw a headling in the papers today that read "Man arrested after telling kids Santa isn't real". When you actually read the article, you find that he was arrested for trespassing on church property, upon which he had gone in order to tell some kids at a Christmas dinner that Santa wasn't real. Granted, the story probably wouldn't have made the news if it hadn't been for the "war on Christmas" angle.  

quizzical

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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NOTE: The Ukrainian Foreign Minister of Canada, Chrystia Freeland, has endorsed the arrest of Meng, and instructed Canada’s ambassador to Beijing to explain.

Someone needs to tell this John Helmer clown that she was born in Alberta. 

amazing magoo. no idea how not removed from the Ukraine Ukrainians are.

statement is right. she's Ukrainian not Canadian even though born in AB. They're in exile only. 

have a look at the Ukrainian Congress, festivals, culture and existence in Canada. th

NDPP

Canada's Threats Over Huawei CFO's Arrest Rattles Canadian Business

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-threatening-canada-consequences-1...

"The options (for payback), are essentially limitless says the Business Council of Canada. 'For Canada, if they do not correctly handle this matter, there will be serious consequences. You asked what kind of  serious consequences would there be? I can tell you in one sentence: It is entirely up to Canada,' Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said Monday at a news conference in Beijing.

David Mulroney, Canada's former ambassador to China, today told CBC's Ottawa Morning that China appears poised to execute a strategy it called, 'kill the chicken, scare the monkey..."

How apt.

quizzical

they arrested a Canadian spy now it looks like.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

David Mulroney, Canada's former ambassador to China, today told CBC's Ottawa Morning that China appears poised to execute a strategy it called, 'kill the chicken, scare the monkey..."

How apt.

LOL. I assume Canada is the chicken, and the U.S. the monkey. Quite appropriate roles, but perhaps "gorilla" would work better than "monkey" in representing the American Empire.

Unionist

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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NOTE: The Ukrainian Foreign Minister of Canada, Chrystia Freeland, has endorsed the arrest of Meng, and instructed Canada’s ambassador to Beijing to explain.

Someone needs to tell this John Helmer clown that she was born in Alberta. 

An even more accurate title would have been: "The Nazi Patriot's Granddaughter of Canada". I'll get in touch with Helmer. Thanks, Magoo.

WWWTT
Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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amazing magoo. no idea how not removed from the Ukraine Ukrainians are.

statement is right. she's Ukrainian not Canadian even though born in AB. They're in exile only.

Well, if we want rid of her, we just have to elect an Indian PM.  How are those Indians, though?  More Canadian than those Ukranians, I hope?

NDPP

International Crisis Group (ICG),  from whence comes the critical voice of former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig, is heavily funded by George Soros, who is  known to be a staunch critic of Xi and has also reportedly attempted to short both the Yuan and the HK dollar. China picked its first target very well. Can't wait to see what comes next.

PS No surprise either to find the presiding ' independent, impartial, non-political' judge sitting on Meng's case is a Liberal appointment. I'm betting the Americans get to have their [Hua]wei.

WWWTT

Michael Kovrig is a racist fuckin pig! This is what he wrote:

 Data compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) shows that China has become the top supplier of arms to sub-Saharan Africa

Taken from here:

https://www.crisisgroup.org/asia/north-east-asia/china/china-expands-its...

In fact, the entire article is a rant from a paronoid  individual bent on demonizing China. Totally ignoring the African need for industrialization in gaining independence.

I suspect this racist Kovrig character who worked for Justin and looks down on many African nations,was probably on China's radar for some time.

Enjoy your new life dick head!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture
bekayne

NDPP wrote:

PS No surprise either to find the presiding ' independent, impartial, non-political' judge sitting on Meng's case is a Liberal appointment. 

Can you name the Provincial Supreme Court judges that weren't apointed by Liberal or Conservative governments?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture
NDPP

From Above:

"US President Donald Trump's ambassador to Canada denied Chinese claims that there is political motive behind Canada's arrest of Chinese telecommunications firm Huawei's CFO, hours before Trump told Reuters he would certainly be willing to intervene in the case if it would help his country's interests."  

'Non-political'? Yeah, right. What a travesty. Meng Wanzhou should be released immediately.

Extradition: The Longest Arm of the Law

https://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/crime/extradition.html

"...People can be extradited only if the offence they're accused of or convicted of is a crime in both countries - the 'dual criminality' test. If the offence is a crime in just one of the countries, no extradition can take place.

Canada will generally not allow the extradition of persons charged with political offences in another country. As long as the person's political 'offence' in the requesting country was non-violent, Canada will refuse to surrender the individual [Unless it's the White House]. There has been some criticism of Canada's decision to extradite those who some view as political prisoners whose prosecution may be politically motivated..."

Remember Leonard Peltier Canada?

 

WWWTT

Looks like this is going to come back to haunt Justin and the liberals sooner or later. Lots of Chinese, businesses and anti American votes in this country! 

The only way I can see the liberals washing their hands of this is to immediately drop this case and let Meng Wan Zhou leave Canada. If the US does not put in their formal request within 60 days(not sure how many days left now) then Ms Meng is free to go and gets her money back. If the US puts their request in, this case will impact the liberals for sure! To what extent, we'll find out in the new year.

I suspect Ms Meng got her bail to save some face for the liberals (and was politically motivated). Chinese protestors outside the Vancouver court house must be a real painful sight for liberal spin doctors!

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Ex-diplomat who worked on Trudeau's Hong Kong visit detained in China

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government has contacted Chinese authorities about the detention of a sometime Canadian diplomat in China at a time of intensifying tensions between the two countries.

Trudeau spoke briefly to reporters Tuesday about the unexplained case of Michael Kovrig, an international-affairs analyst who worked as a political lead for the prime minister's official visit to Hong Kong in 2016 when he was posted there by the Canadian government.

"We have been in direct contact with ... Chinese diplomats and representatives," Trudeau said in Ottawa. "We are engaged on the file, which we take very seriously and we are, of course, providing consular assistance to the family."

News of Kovrig's detention comes after China warned Canada of consequences for its recent arrest of Huawei chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou at Vancouver's airport. A Vancouver judge released her on bail and under strict conditions Tuesday afternoon.

So far, it's unclear whether there is any link between the two cases, though a former Canadian ambassador says he has little doubt of it.

"It's clear that China is trying to put as much pressure as possible on the Canadian government to force us to return Ms. Meng to China," said Guy Saint-Jacques, a career diplomat who was Canada's ambassador to China from 2012 to 2016. "I can tell you that based on my 13 years of experience in China, there are no coincidences... The Chinese government wanted to send us a message."

NDPP

Trump: I Could Swap Huawei CFO's Freedom For a China Trade Deal

https://t.co/qxCdlCeCSc

"President Trump said he would intervene in the case of Huawei's chief financial officer, who is wanted by the US Justice Department, if it could help close a trade deal with China. In an interview with Reuters, President Trump said he would intervene if it would be in the interest of US national security or help close a trade deal with China. 

He said he would step in if it would be good for what will 'certainly be the largest trade deal ever made."

Trump's 'art of the deal' now includes kidnapping Chinese executives and suborning Canada to assist, while, since USMCA, refusing any China-Canada free trade deal without US permission. And our reps are content to approve this scam?  Nifty.

Bacchus

NDPP wrote:

From Above:

"US President Donald Trump's ambassador to Canada denied Chinese claims that there is political motive behind Canada's arrest of Chinese telecommunications firm Huawei's CFO, hours before Trump told Reuters he would certainly be willing to intervene in the case if it would help his country's interests."  

'Non-political'? Yeah, right. What a travesty. Meng Wanzhou should be released immediately.

Extradition: The Longest Arm of the Law

https://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/crime/extradition.html

"...People can be extradited only if the offence they're accused of or convicted of is a crime in both countries - the 'dual criminality' test. If the offence is a crime in just one of the countries, no extradition can take place.

Canada will generally not allow the extradition of persons charged with political offences in another country. As long as the person's political 'offence' in the requesting country was non-violent, Canada will refuse to surrender the individual [Unless it's the White House]. There has been some criticism of Canada's decision to extradite those who some view as political prisoners whose prosecution may be politically motivated..."

Remember Leonard Peltier Canada?

 

 

Fraud is illegal in both countries

WWWTT

Bacchus wrote 

Fraud is illegal in both countries

Thats not how a lot of lawyers will see it! If not ALL lawyers. 

Trading with Iran is not necessarily against the law. I believe the point of the charge is to separate it from the context it was allegedly made under. So that Canada would go ahead with sending her to the US (if or when the request is made by the US)

The charge itself may very well be perceived as being valid in the Canadian courts. The point I’m making is that MS Meng has lots and lots to fight on right here in Canada! And well into the 2019 elect less than 10 months from now. 

 

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

Trump: I Could Swap Huawei CFO's Freedom For a China Trade Deal

https://t.co/qxCdlCeCSc

"President Trump said he would intervene in the case of Huawei's chief financial officer, who is wanted by the US Justice Department, if it could help close a trade deal with China. In an interview with Reuters, President Trump said he would intervene if it would be in the interest of US national security or help close a trade deal with China. 

He said he would step in if it would be good for what will 'certainly be the largest trade deal ever made."

Trump's 'art of the deal' now includes kidnapping Chinese executives and suborning Canada to assist, while, since USMCA, refusing any China-Canada free trade deal without US permission. And our reps are content to approve this scam?  Nifty.

Trump is saying a metric ton of heavy shit here!

First off, he sounds very desperate. China must be in a very strong position. 

Theres also some regret in this comment. Almost as if he’s getting ready to apologize and back down. 

Also sounds like a bit of a set up for Justin to get pummeled. Every liberal MP and their staff are probably cringing whenever Trump tweets or opens his mouth about Ms Meng or even China now

Sean in Ottawa

The problem here is that fraud was not committed here in Canada. Extradition is based on a fair process in the country asking for it. Trump by saying that he would get involved for a trade deal made it about politics and trade rather than about the accused guilt or innocence. In this circumstance, Canada may fairly consider dropping the case. The US is treating their justice system like that of a country without rule of law. It would not be unreasonable for Canada not only to let her go but announce a review of extradition to the US so long as Trump is in office.

The reality is that Canada is probably too terrified of the madness of Trump to stand up to him and so none of this will happen. Hopefully Canada will one day regain some of the indepedence it has lost in the last period.

These displays of Canada's lack of independence would be embarassing for any government, however, I think the majority of Canadians understand the situation well and likely spread responsibility for this around somewhat -- both the Liberals and Conservatives share blame and people understand that predicting a Trump like figure may have been a tall order. The fact is this has happened and looking forward Canadians, likely would expect governments to try to restore independence as much as possible. I do not see this as politically damaging for one party over another so far.

Noops

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

...Trump by saying that he would get involved for a trade deal made it about politics and trade rather than about the accused guilt or innocence. In this circumstance, Canada may fairly consider dropping the case. The US is treating their justice system like that of a country without rule of law. It would not be unreasonable for Canada not only to let her go but announce a review of extradition to the US so long as Trump is in office.

This!   +1

Now I hate doing this but...

It is on public record that Bolton + Trudeau knew in advance that Meng would be arrested.
And that Trump was kept in the dark about it.

Possibly, just possibly this is why he is reacting the way he is now.
Possibly, had he been given a heads up about what was being planned he may
have given a thumbs down and the whole Meng affair may never have occured.

Then again, given his track record and Bolton's, he very well may have been in the loop
but the playbook said, go ahead with the trade talks and just say you knew nothing about Meng.

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

WWWTT wrote:

I suspect Ms Meng got her bail to save some face for the liberals (and was politically motivated). Chinese protestors outside the Vancouver court house must be a real painful sight for liberal spin doctors!

I doubt completely that the Judge hearing this case would even take a call from a political operative. Our courts have inherent biases however by and large so far we don't have outright corruption. I am glad our Judges are appointed because it makes them less beholding to politicians than if they had to rely on party apparatus to get elected.

NDPP

Meng Wanzhou is Out on Bail

https://youtu.be/LhQmvPkVr8o

Manila Chan reports on the latest regarding the arrest of Huawei CFO, Meng Wanzhou, who was released on a $7.5 million dollar bail. 'It almost makes you wonder: Was the arrest made only for that purpose? Was it made for the purpose of trying to gain some kind of leverage over China in negotiations over trade?...It almost seems like a hostage negotiation."

 

Canada Subjects Huawei Executive to Onerous Bail Terms Pending Outcome of US Extradition Case

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/12/huaw-d12.html

"....Both US and Canadian officials - including Prime Minister Trudeau who has acknowledged he was informed of Meng's arrest several days in advance - have tried to maintain that it has nothing to do with Washington's ever more aggressive economic, diplomatic and military-strategic offensive against China. But outside North America it is almost universally recognized for what it is: a gross abuse of power and a politically motivated prosecution or, to put it more bluntly, a kidnapping in support of a frame-up."

WWWTT

kropotkin1951 wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

I suspect Ms Meng got her bail to save some face for the liberals (and was politically motivated). Chinese protestors outside the Vancouver court house must be a real painful sight for liberal spin doctors!

I doubt completely that the Judge hearing this case would even take a call from a political operative. Our courts have inherent biases however by and large so far we don't have outright corruption. I am glad our Judges are appointed because it makes them less beholding to politicians than if they had to rely on party apparatus to get elected.

Oh I agree that any judge would never reach out to any politicians at this time, or Vise versa for the simple fact that if it ever got out, it would spell doom for both sides!

But when Chinese people are protesting outside the courthouse holding signs to free Meng, stock markets are plummeting on the word of her arrest, the court room is packed with people from all over the world, news coverage from every continent is covering this case, this judge probably couldn’t fuckin sleep for 4 nights in a row!

Lots and lots of judges are lazy dog fuckers! They hate people telling them what to do, they hate pressure and most of all hate work!

Guaranteed this judge spent more time considering what would the consequences be to Canada and mostly himself If he either granted bail or denied! Guaranfuckinteed!

NDPP

Chinese State Media Say 2nd Canadian Has Been Detained

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-missing-person-questioned-1.4943591

"A Chinese state media outlet is reporting that another Canadian citizen has been detained on suspicion of engaging in activities that endanger China's national security. The report from Northeast News Network, which cites unamed sources, said the case of Michael Spavor is currently under review.  Spavor is the founder of Paecktu Cultural Exchange, a Canadian-owned, China-based firm that organizes cultural exchanges to North Korea.

Spavor's disappearance follows the arrest of Michael Kovrig, a Canadian diplomat on leave who was taken into custody earlier this week by Chinese authorities. Beijing News, a state run newspaper published a report Wednesday citing unamed sources saying Kovrig had been detained on suspicion of engaging in activities that endanger China's state security.

Kovrig, who is on leave from Global Affairs Canada to work for an NGO in China [ICG], was detained by Chinese officials without explanation earlier this week..."

Watch Trump leverage this whole staged Canadian kidnapping caper into a strategy of successful negotiations with China leaving the Canadian China trade prospects in tatters and the relationship in ruins. Not to mention two of their assets now held in China. Great going Chrystia and Justin. So much for your 'feminist foreign policy' and 'putting Canada back on the world stage.'

WWWTT

Yep Freeland and Justin are scared shitless! Probably every liberal MP and their staff as well.

I predict a solid 50% chance that 孟晚舟will be back in China at her job as CFO of Huawei well before the 2019 general federal election. 

Freeland is lying straight face that she wants the rule of law to be followed and this is not about politics. Fucking right its about politics! The politics of the liberals keeping their jobs running this country(into the ground)!

And now another Canadian spy detained. China clearly had their eyes on these shady characters for some time. 

In a few weeks, in the new year, I'll be very interested to see new poll numbers!

NDPP

Michael Spavor, Who Facilitated North Korea Travel, ID'd as Second Canadian to Go Missing in China (and vid)

https://globalnews.ca/news/4756517/Canadian-in-china-chrystia-freeland/

WATCH: 'China will take revenge' if Canada doesn't free Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou says editor of Global Times. 'Canadians should exercise high degree of caution in China': Freeland"

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