Detention of Meng Wanzhou - CFO of Huawei

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Jagmeet Singh Rejects His Own MP's Call To Halt Extradition of Huawei Executive To US

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/don-davies-meng-singh-1.4955224

"NDP leader Jagmeet Singh is rejecting a suggestion by one of his MPs that the arrest in Vancouver of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou was politically motivated - and Canada should not extradite her to the US.

NDP MP Don Davies, who now represents the BC riding of Vancouver Kingsway published on his personal website Tuesday a post arguing it's 'very clear' that the US requested Meng's arrest for political reasons and that Canada should not be 'manipulated by Donald Trump.' The post has since been taken down..."

Singh demonstrates his American vassal foreign policy skills and Davies removes the offending suggestion of an independent foreign policy. NDP=No Difference Party.

WWWTT

Thanks for posting this NDPP!

Serious bad news for the NDP. This is where Jagmeet can really make a good solid name from himself and rise above the rest of the pack!!! But no, that would be just way too easy and Jag has to go back into the shadows to be forgoton.

 

cco

It continues to fascinate me that WSWS, which has made a career out of denouncing all western left-wing movements as false-consciousness-building revisionist quislings, doesn't see anything even slightly capitalist-roader about a Chinese billionaire heiress. Nor does it question whether employees making $2/hour and working six-day weeks at Huawei subcontractors like Foxconn are alienated from the products of their labour (though the fact they have to put up suicide nets might just signal that the means of production aren't fully in workers' hands).

voice of the damned

cco wrote:
It continues to fascinate me that WSWS, which has made a career out of denouncing all western left-wing movements as false-consciousness-building revisionist quislings, doesn't see anything even slightly capitalist-roader about a Chinese billionaire heiress. Nor does it question whether employees making $2/hour and working six-day weeks at Huawei subcontractors like Foxconn are alienated from the products of their labour (though the fact they have to put up suicide nets might just signal that the means of production aren't fully in workers' hands).

Actually, in the WSWS articles I've read on China lately, they do use phrases such as "China's embrace of capitalism, engineered by its Stalinist bureaucracy". So it isn't as if they are unaware, much less approving, of the current regime in Beijing; they just think that stopping the supposed drift toward war is the greater priority right now.

And I say "supposed" because their constant chicken-little routine about impending war is one thing that is getting a little silly. I mean, I guess it could happen, though I suspect a lot of this breathless prognostication is akin to the war-hysteria that was built up around the always-impending British intervention during the US Civil War.

WWWTT

LOL it's now official, The NDP are now supporting Justin, the liberals and Trump in the arrest and extradition of 孟晚舟!

Good luck in getting some seats back Jag!

NDPP

Huawei Canada Executive Says Idea of Using 5G Network for Espionage Doesn't Make Sense

https://globalnews.ca/news/4783402/huawei-executive-5g-canada-spying/

"The fallout would be catastrophic if Huawei Canada used its role in a next generation 5G wireless network to conduct espionage on behalf of Beijing, says a senior company official. Critics wary of the Chinese firm should think rationally about the notion of Huawei risking tens of billions of dollars by engaging in illicit activity for spymasters, said Scott Bradley, Canadian vice president of corporate affairs for Huawei..."

NDPP

Canada Deeply Concerned By Arbitrary Detention of Two Canadians in China

https://t.co/4Mxk6t89cc

"The Candian government is deeply concerned by the arbitrary detention of two Canadians in China. Read my statement..."

WWWTT

LOL! Freeland is a freekin joke and a half. When did China say that these arrests where in retaliation to the arrest of Ms Meng? China clearly stated why these 3 individuals where detained. 

I guess Freeland feels that Canadian laws and treaties are legitimate and that China’s laws are phoney and not serious! What a racist supremist!

 

NDPP

'Arrogant' US Fabricated State-Sponsored Hacking Case - China on Washington Affairs

https://youtu.be/dTEDZkaAOsY

"China has denied allegations that it's behind an extensive hacking campaign in a dozen different countries. China also urged Washington to retract its accusations."

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And people in Canada get all worried that the conservatives have white supremists in their ranks. WOW! 

Noops

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Canada Deeply Concerned By Arbitrary Detention of Two Canadians in China

https://t.co/4Mxk6t89cc

I'm going to play Mr. Magoo's role now.
The two Canadians in China are not being arbitrarily detained.
China has every legal right to detain citizens in their country that they feel are a national security threat.  LOL!
(especially if they can prove it, which they don't have to)

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The Chinese used the proper criminal code law in their country to arrest two Canadians they allege were a danger to their national security. Apparently at least one of them is accused of meeting with dissidents. Does anybody think that Iranian nationals that want to meet with Canadians to discuss political change in our country would not be arrested?

People who claim these two are innocent victims either believe that Canadians are incapable of being spies for a Western power or that the Chinese security is so incompetent they arrested the wrong people.

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People who claim these two are innocent victims either believe that Canadians are incapable of being spies for a Western power or that the Chinese security is so incompetent they arrested the wrong people.

Or they believe a third thing.

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When did China say that these arrests where in retaliation to the arrest of Ms Meng?

The day before.  I think you said it too ("Here’s more speculation. China will retaliate. Now how they do, no one can say for sure? But the Chinese have many ways and opportunity to do so.")

 

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Jagmeet Singh thinks extraditing Ms. Meng to the U.S. is fine and dandy, and even contradicts a member of the NDP caucus about it.

CBC wrote:
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh is rejecting a suggestion by one of his MPs that the arrest in Vancouver of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou was politically motivated — and Canada should not extradite her to the U.S.

NDP MP Don Davies, who represents the B.C riding of Vancouver Kingsway, published on his personal website Tuesday a post arguing it's "very clear" that the U.S. requested Meng's arrest for political reasons and that Canada should not be "manipulated by Donald Trump."

The post has since been taken down.

NDPP

Above also posted at #252.

Freeland Demands 'Immediate Release' of Detained Canadians

https://t.co/LZiHJn5bdt

"...Ms Freeland's remarks are the first in which Canada has called for the 'immediate release' of Mr Kovrig and Mr Spavor. The phrase is a fairly blunt diplomatic language that is reserved for when one country believes another state has absolutely no grounds to arrest its citizens..."

 

China Questions Canada's Treatment of 'Illegally Detained' Meng Wanzhou (and vid)

https://globalnews.ca/video/4785042/china-questions-treatment-of-illegal...

"China's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying responded on Friday to the treatment of former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig, that sources say is being denied legal representation and is not allowed to turn the lights off at night, with a tit-for-tat remark about Canada's treatment of the Chinese citizen 'illegally detained' referring to Huawei's Meng Wanzhou..."

 

Immediately release Meng Wanzhou!

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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When did China say that these arrests where in retaliation to the arrest of Ms Meng?

The day before.  I think you said it too ("Here’s more speculation. China will retaliate. Now how they do, no one can say for sure? But the Chinese have many ways and opportunity to do so.")

 

You have the link where China claimed these arrests where in retaliation? As far as what I speculated that you chose to refer to above (and at the same time ignore most of what I speculated), ya sure, so what? That's why we're here on babble in the first place.

And here's some more speculation (this speculation has some serious teeth!) for you to ignore but I'm going to broadcast here on babble anyways. 

A huge emerging economy for Canada is it's education system to teach train foreign students! Canada took a huge hit when Freeland got into a megaphone scuffle when broadcasting her opinions on Saudia Arabia. And hear's the link for some back up and further research:

https://www.canadastudynews.com/2018/03/19/canada-is-home-to-nearly-half...

I pulled this out of the link to stress why Canada is attractive to foreign students bringing billions into the Canadian economy:

The results of the survey further revealed a decline in students interested in the United Kingdom and the United States as countries of choice for study. This decline is attributed to increasing concerns for personal safety and the changing pollical climate in both countries.

Hey look at that! Britain and the US are declining as destinations for education because of concerns of personal safety and changing pollitical climate!

Here's another one I pulled out:

 However, China continues to be the top country of origin of international students, who make 28 per cent of students moving to Canada for education purposes.

Looky looky here! China, communist China is the largest source of foreign students in Canada. I hope they aren't getting cold feet in coming to Canada after the RCMP arrested 孟晚舟

Hey Mr Magoo, are you a teacher? Have any Chinese national students in your classes? 

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Chinese used the proper criminal code law in their country to arrest two Canadians they allege were a danger to their national security. Apparently at least one of them is accused of meeting with dissidents. Does anybody think that Iranian nationals that want to meet with Canadians to discuss political change in our country would not be arrested?

Great comment commrade! As usuall, it will be ignored because it doesn't fit in with the double standard that many babblers have towards China and non western countries.

cco

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Chinese used the proper criminal code law in their country to arrest two Canadians they allege were a danger to their national security. Apparently at least one of them is accused of meeting with dissidents. Does anybody think that Iranian nationals that want to meet with Canadians to discuss political change in our country would not be arrested?

Yeah, Canada would never let an Iranian national get involved in politics, especially not something as seditious as supporting separatism.

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LOL! Nice try cco. But the person you highlighted above is a Canadian citizen, therefore afforded the same rights as such! You are implying that kropotkin said /wrote something that he never did! 

Sorry, but did you really think you were going to pull that one off? No consolation prize for you. But thanks for the chuckle!

voice of the damned

If a non-dual Iranian were meeting with Canadian activists in order to push the Canadian government to be more friendly to the current government of Iran, I would certainly expect(in the sense of, think it probable) that he would be put under surveillance by CSIS or whatever security agency would monitor that sort of thing.

As far as an arrest goes, though, I don't think there is any specific law forbidding foreigners from getting involved in politics, so I'm kind of wondering what the charges would be. I guess they could just arrest the guy for shit and giggles, and then watch the case get tossed out of court on day one, but if they were gonna do that, there's no logical reason they'd confine it to the Iranian. Everybody in the room, Iranian, Canadian, or otherwise, would be equally arrestable, if the cops were just making up their own criteria for arresting people.

Noops

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Or they believe a third thing.

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When did China say that these arrests where in retaliation to the arrest of Ms Meng?

The day before.  I think you said it too ("Here’s more speculation. China will retaliate. Now how they do, no one can say for sure? But the Chinese have many ways and opportunity to do so.")

And what's wrong with that?
Did you know it's possible at one and the same time to:

1. Retaliate
2. Abide by the rule of law

You simply decide to retaliate at a time and place that is convenient for you!
You hold aces up your sleeve.
You have been monitoring 'x' number of Canadian citizens for a period of time.
You suspect they are a national security threat.

You arrest them when you deem it is appropriate and you are abiding by the rule of law.

 

 

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@Noops

Beware of western media!

Freeland Justin and the so called “experts” the corporate media are using to comment and expand on what was meant by when China says they will retaliate constantly focuses on detention of Canadians in China. 

In fact, detaining less than a half dozen nationals does next to nothing to send any real message. 

I believe the Chinese will probably retaliate with trade. Canadian companies like Bombardier will probably have a real difficult time securing contracts in China among many other examples.

The corporate media that supported the liberals and the corporate media circus freek side show Justin don’t want the Canadian voters to be informed about the real consequences of the potential of a possible trade war with China!

quizzical

"Justin, Justin, Justin....."

it just pisses me right off i have to say; Harper or now Scheer wouldn't have done anything different than Freeland and Justin. well maybe.  they might have insisted she stay in jail until the extradition order came in. 

and the corporate media would've been championing them too. the media covers both parties favourably. trying to say they don't is ridiculous. 

Unionist

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Chinese used the proper criminal code law in their country to arrest two Canadians they allege were a danger to their national security. Apparently at least one of them is accused of meeting with dissidents. Does anybody think that Iranian nationals that want to meet with Canadians to discuss political change in our country would not be arrested?

People who claim these two are innocent victims either believe that Canadians are incapable of being spies for a Western power or that the Chinese security is so incompetent they arrested the wrong people.

All the above would seem obvious, except to partisan supporters of the Cons, Libs, NDP... You know, all those who believe that Canada is a country where the "rule of law" prevails. The "rule of law" means, in this case, that Canada and the U.S. can sign a bilateral treaty which forces them to arrest and extradite nationals of third countries who are not signatory to this treaty. This is a new meaning of "rule of law". It's like re-defining murderers and invaders as "liberators". Or people fighting for their freedom as "terrorists". Just words, after all.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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The "rule of law" means, in this case, that Canada and the U.S. can sign a bilateral treaty which forces them to arrest and extradite nationals of third countries who are not signatory to this treaty. This is a new meaning of "rule of law".

Lots of countries have extradition agreements and have had for decades.  China was working on one with both the U.S. and Canada prior to this.

voice of the damned

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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The "rule of law" means, in this case, that Canada and the U.S. can sign a bilateral treaty which forces them to arrest and extradite nationals of third countries who are not signatory to this treaty. This is a new meaning of "rule of law".

Lots of countries have extradition agreements and have had for decades.  China was working on one with both the U.S. and Canada prior to this.

And as for the "third country" aspect of it, here's a case of two Germans who vandalized a train in Singapore, skipped over to Malaysia, and then got arrested and shipped by the Malaysians back to Singapore for a literal ass-whipping.

https://tinyurl.com/y9wjgd26

As a side note, I'm sure caning is considered some sort of human-rights violation over in the fatherland, but I guess our artistically inclined wanderlusters just had to live with the indignity.

 

 

NDPP

US Hacking Accusation Against China  Reflects 'Rising McCarthyism'

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1133053.shtml

"...US anxiety has led to its misconduct and disorder and China should take legal measures against all US hackers, either institutions or individuals, and should kick out those American banks and companies that have been cooperating with the US government for information gathering, said Shen Yi, head of Fudan University's Cyberspace Governance Research Institute. 'And don't forget the Snowden incident. China is the largest victim of cyber hacking and the US is the largest hacker worldwide,' he noted.

Calling the recent incidents resembling the features of McCarthyism, Chinese authorities warned that the US is trying to contain China with judicial, administrative and legislative organs as well as support from intelligence agencies [like 'Five Eyes'?].

Ni Feng, deputy director of the Institute of American Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said that, compared with the McCarthyism during the Cold War, the US' fear of China has now gone beyond the ideological level.

The US' current moves targeting Chinese technology companies and entrepreneurs have been prompted by anxiety that the US might be surpassed in national capability and technological competence, Ni told the Global Times on Friday..."

NDPP

The Real Reason Behind Canada's Arrest of Chinese Tech Executive Meng Wanzhou (&Podcast)

https://soundcloud.com/user-918579032/the-real-reason-behind-canadas-arr...

"This week's GR News Hour delves into the US extradition request of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou and the decision by Canada to detain her. First guest Prof Michel Chossudovsky believes the detention is related to a call by the Five Eyes Alliance of intelligence agencies to block Huawei from gaining ground in the international market for its 5G technology. We then speak with esteemed international criminal lawyer Christopher Black on Canada's role in the detention and rationale behind the detention of Canadians in China. Finally, Ron Unz of the Unz Review elaborates on his belief that the US has an achilles heel that if exploited could compel Canada to release Ms Meng right away."

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quizzical wrote:

"Justin, Justin, Justin....."

and the corporate media would've been championing them too. the media covers both parties favourably. trying to say they don't is ridiculous. 

Thanks for expanding on my comment quizzical. I agree with you.

Maybe we can agree that the corporate media, when reporting about politicians, always make a concentrated effort to avoid the NDP, and/or support the NDP.

If Mulcair was PM at this point, how would he and the NDP's minister of foreign affairs handle this crisis (or the NDP in General) How would the corporate media report it?

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

US Hacking Accusation Against China  Reflects 'Rising McCarthyism'

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1133053.shtml

"...US anxiety has led to its misconduct and disorder and China should take legal measures against all US hackers, either institutions or individuals, and should kick out those American banks and companies that have been cooperating with the US government for information gathering, said Shen Yi, head of Fudan University's Cyberspace Governance Research Institute. 'And don't forget the Snowden incident. China is the largest victim of cyber hacking and the US is the largest hacker worldwide,' he noted.

Calling the recent incidents resembling the features of McCarthyism, Chinese authorities warned that the US is trying to contain China with judicial, administrative and legislative organs as well as support from intelligence agencies [like 'Five Eyes'?].

Ni Feng, deputy director of the Institute of American Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said that, compared with the McCarthyism during the Cold War, the US' fear of China has now gone beyond the ideological level.

The US' current moves targeting Chinese technology companies and entrepreneurs have been prompted by anxiety that the US might be surpassed in national capability and technological competence, Ni told the Global Times on Friday..."

Hi NDPP!

I started a thread for this issue.

Thanks

quizzical

why in hell would i waste energy on speculating "if Mulcair was PM"?

as for what the media would say same as always nothing good. 

Sean in Ottawa

In this post media age -- the age of social media -- we are seeing one of the problems with attacks on the slanted mass media. No media at all has allowed the rise of really unchecked, extreme and horrific manipulations of people without any effort to moderate.

When it comes to how bad the mass media were a decade ago, we could not imagine much worse. Now we live it. When it comes to manipulation, the mass media are no longer anywhere near the worst actors out there right now in manipulating people. This goes to photoshop fraud, hate, outright and extreme lies where previously there was "only" bias and selectivity.

 

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quizzical wrote:

why in hell would i waste energy on speculating "if Mulcair was PM"?

as for what the media would say same as always nothing good. 

OK my point was mainly aimed at how the corporate media would shelter the NDP if they were the government when this person was arrested for extradition to the US.

The other side point that I was trying to imply was that if the NDP were in government now, they may have not arrested Ms Meng to send to the US. But from Jag's recent comments, I'm going to say that they would have done the same thing.

Sean in Ottawa

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Noops

How arrest of Chinese ‘princess’ exposes regime’s world domination plot
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/how-arrest-of-chinese-princess-exposes-regimes-world-domination-plot

Fox News. LOL!!!

What else would we expect from the deep-state-controlled MSM?

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Noops wrote:

How arrest of Chinese ‘princess’ exposes regime’s world domination plot
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/how-arrest-of-chinese-princess-exposes-regimes-world-domination-plot

Fox News. LOL!!!

What else would we expect from the deep-state-controlled MSM?

I agree the article is a barrel of laughs, but I thought Fox News was in the business of defending President Trump against the perfidious attacks of the Deep State, in cahoots with the Fake News MSM. Surely, Fox News isn't controlled by the anti-Trump Deep State.

quizzical

WWWTT wrote:

quizzical wrote:

why in hell would i waste energy on speculating "if Mulcair was PM"?

as for what the media would say same as always nothing good. 

OK my point was mainly aimed at how the corporate media would shelter the NDP if they were the government when this person was arrested for extradition to the US.

The other side point that I was trying to imply was that if the NDP were in government now, they may have not arrested Ms Meng to send to the US. But from Jag's recent comments, I'm going to say that they would have done the same thing.

no. it wasn't a point you were making. you just brought Jagmeet into it. you asked re Mulcair.

contort yourself to make a point which cannot be made. anything to support your confirmation bias.

 

NDPP

As Canada's Economic Standing is Set to Fall Dramatically by 2050 - Canadian Leaders Must Learn Grace and Humility

https://t.co/bRUtLGWq0Y

China has shown a great capacity to forgive nations that have committed aggressions against China in the past. But if Canada continues to act as a hostile bully, China will simply fail to answer the phone when future Canadian leaders beg for a trade deal...

Noops

Michael Moriarity wrote:

I agree the article is a barrel of laughs, but I thought Fox News was in the business of defending President Trump against the perfidious attacks of the Deep State, in cahoots with the Fake News MSM. Surely, Fox News isn't controlled by the anti-Trump Deep State.

Sorry, since I don't follow Fox News I just assumed they were like all the rest. You mean a MSM outlet actually supports Trump? Any others?
 

NDPP

Canada Will Pay For its Bad Behaviour

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1133305.shtml

"Canada is taking a tougher stance...China will make Canada pay the price if it extradites Meng to the US so as to demonstrate to the world the cost of helping Washington harm China."

No matter where you stand on this particular matter, it should be obvious to all that the Trudeau/Freeland team has made a complete mess of Canada's international relations. 

quizzical

ya i'm not blaming Trudeau because he's too light weight to comprehend. but i am Freeland and her fascist backers who are blind to anything but their agenda .

NorthReport

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Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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There's nothing wrong with trying to restore neighbourly feelings -- except that in this case there are a lot of extremely negative consequences, such as China's retaliatory detention of three innocent Canadians

Is McQuaig referring to the entirely coincidental arrest of the three spies?  What's she insinuating here?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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So here we have a country that is clearly not an ally of the U.S., but is expected to honor any sanctions that the U.S. imposes on other non-allied countries.
Rich! Very rich!

China remains a sovereign country and can trade with Iran all it wants.

Huawei is a company doing business in the U.S., and it's alleged that they fraudulently misrepresented their private commerce with Iran as part of that business.

We have arrested an individual for the alleged fraud by a corporation's subsidiary corporation for ignoring sanctions that are illegitimate in international law. The pith and substance of this case is clearly not about fraud plus the trade sanctions against Iran themselves are as political as it gets.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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There's nothing wrong with trying to restore neighbourly feelings -- except that in this case there are a lot of extremely negative consequences, such as China's retaliatory detention of three innocent Canadians

Is McQuaig referring to the entirely coincidental arrest of the three spies?  What's she insinuating here?

According to many of our Canadian and US security experts, the Chinese spy agencies are the most sophisticated hackers on the planet and have blanket coverage of the population inside of China.

She is insinuating that the Chinese are so stupid they are arresting innocent people instead of the Western operatives that they have under surveillance. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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We have arrested an individual for the alleged fraud by a corporation's subsidiary corporation for ignoring sanctions that are illegitimate in international law.

Not for ignoring them, but for pretending (and asserting) that they were obeying them.

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She is insinuating that the Chinese are so stupid they are arresting innocent people instead of the Western operatives that they have under surveillance.

I don't think she's insinuating stupidity.

quizzical

i do think she's insinuating stupidity but not towards China. it's towards her readers like we're going to believe they aren't exactly what they are. spies.

don't know why she's pretending they not spies...then maybe she's telling us spying is an innocent occupation.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Do you suppose they report directly to Justin???

quizzical

nope. if they're like the spooks in my mom's family they report through the US State dept.

NorthReport

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