Trudeau Liberals are failing Canadians on the China file!

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montgomery

Canada needs to decide in Meng's favour in the courts and send her home. Then the Canadians will be released.

You're really totally bought into the US hate propaganda against China haven't you! 

Does it register on you when you're told that it's the US that has started 40 wars of aggression since WW2, and they're lining up Venezuela right now to become the 41st. 

And the only forces that could and might stand in the way of the US are Russia and China! 

Hmmmmm?

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The very first thing China needs to do is release the Canadians they rounded up in relation to Ms Meng

Huawei and China, Facing U.S. Charges, Have Few Ways to Retaliate

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/huawei-indictment-criminal...

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IF CONVICTED, HUAWEI FACES BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN FINES

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang called on the US to drop charges against Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou.

ANDY WONG/AP

CHINESE TELECOM GIANT Huawei could face millions in fines if convicted of all charges in two indictments unsealed by the US Department of Justice Monday. But the money is likely the least of Huawei’s worries.

The first indictment accuses Huawei and its executives, including CFO Meng Wanzhou, of crimes including bank fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice related to alleged violations of sanctions forbidding the sale of US-made equipment to Iran. The potential blow to the company is particularly severe because Meng is the daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei; she was arrested in Canada last month and is awaiting extradition to the US.

The other indictment accuses the company of stealing intellectual property from T-Mobile, as part of an effort that included offering bonuses to employees who stole confidential information from competitors. According to the indictment, a company policy promised employees they wouldn’t be disciplined for such actions, and encouraged them to use an encrypted email address for particularly sensitive information.

"The company denies that it or its subsidiary or affiliate have committed any of the asserted violations of U.S. law set forth in each of the indictments, is not aware of any wrongdoings by Ms. Meng, and believes the U.S. courts will ultimately reach the same conclusion," Huawei said in a statement published on Twitter.

Huawei has already faced civil suits in the US over alleged intellectual property theft, but the new indictments raise the stakes for the company, and especially Meng.

"Obviously a company can't go to jail," says Ryan K. Hart, a former federal prosecutor who is now a white collar crime attorney at Dickinson Wright. "But there are real issues at stake."

Consider what happened to another Chinese telco giant, ZTE. That company admitted to violating US sanctions against Iran in 2017 and agreed to pay a fine of about $900 million, fire four senior employees, and discipline many others. Last year, the US Department of Commerce said ZTE had failed to follow through on the discipline, and banned US companies from selling components or software to ZTE. ZTE said the order would put it out of business, and began to shut down its operations. The US government backed downafter ZTE agreed to pay about $1.9 billion in total penalties, replace its entire board and senior leadership, and open itself to auditors from the US.

"The same fate that almost befell ZTE is a possible outcome if Huawei is convicted in the case," says Joshua Rich, partner and general counsel at the Chicago-based intellectual property law firm McDonnell Boehnen Hulbert & Berghoff.

Huawei is in a better position to survive sanctions than ZTE was, analysts say. "Huawei is more financially stable than ZTE was," industry consultant Chetan Sharma told WIRED earlier this month. "And Huawei is less dependent on the handset business than ZTE."

But sanctions would hurt, especially if the US were to ban financial institutions from doing business with Huawei. "If you can't interact with the US banking system, you're going to have a great difficulty selling products anywhere in the world," Rich says.

The 13 charges Huawei faces in the sanctions case carry fines of up to $1 million each, says Hart. Rich says the IP theft charges carry maximum fines of several million dollars. But Huawei could be on the hook for even more money. Prosecutors are hoping to seize any funds related to illegal sales to Iran as well as money the company made from T-Mobile's IP. The DOJ hasn't said how much it will seek.

"That's where litigation and negotiation come in," says Hart. "The DOJ is going to go for the biggest number, go after anything that has been slightly tainted."

Meng could face prison if she's convicted, as could other executives if they're arrested. According to the indictment, more than $100 million related to Huawei's Iran dealings flowed through one of the US financial institutions cited. It's not clear that prosecutors are blaming Meng for $100 million worth of transactions, but Hart says if they are, then federal sentencing guidelines suggest a prison sentence of between 11 and 14 years, if Meng is found guilty of bank fraud, assuming she has no previous criminal history. Convictions for the other charges could add to the time. In theory, she could face decades in prison.

Hart and Rich agree that given the political climate, Huawei and the DOJ will probably reach plea deals that would keep the company, and Meng, from facing the worst possible outcomes. But Huawei is in a difficult position.

https://www.wired.com/story/if-convicted-huawei-faces-bigger-problems-th...

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After what has happpened Canadians will never accept Huawei operating in Canada. It's over.

U.S. intelligence warns China is single largest espionage threat as Canada mulls Huawei ban

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-us-intelligenc...

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montgomery wrote:

Canada needs to decide in Meng's favour in the courts and send her home. Then the Canadians will be released.

 

So you're saying they're hostages?

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Trudeau unfortunately had the rug pulled out from under him by McCallum 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-46981048

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Usually there are about 100 or so a year arrested. With the ones tried and convicted and serving sentences there are significant numbers of Canadians currently in Chinese jails. Should they release every single one of them?

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I’m talking about the Canadians China rounded up in retaliation for Meng’s arrest here

 

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I’m talking about the Canadians China rounded up in retaliation for Meng’s arrest here

How do you tell them apart form the normal run of Canadians that regularly get arrested in China? Does Canada's MSM really know the Chinese system that well that it can tell the difference?

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I’m talking about the Canadians China rounded up in retaliation for Meng’s arrest here

How do you tell them apart form the normal run of Canadians that regularly get arrested in China? Does Canada's MSM really know the Chinese system that well that it can tell the difference?

That is part of it - but also there could be a correlation with the causation backwards.

Canadians arrested in China normally may benefit from the finger on the scale to help them due to good relations with Canada. Without these good relations there may be no finger on the scale at all.

What could explain China's fury is if it intercedes on behalf of Canadians normally to evade normal penalties and the Canadian government won't in the Meng case. This may explain why China won't lift a finger to help these Canadians who have run into trouble there since Canada won't do the same for Meng.

I understand the system is different and the options for Canada are different, but without reviewing the specific cases closely, we cannot be sure that China is doing anything more than not helping where it helped before.

This would certainly explain the accusations of imperialism if China thinks Canada is demadning that it interfere in a process when Canada won't. That and Trudeau's comment about random accusations against Caandians suggesting China has no process at all.

I think there is much more to this than Canadians want to admit. I also think that Canadians (and other nationals) are too used to being partly exempt from local laws in many countries due to "good relations" between governments. It is a bit arrogant to expect this consideration rather than understand that it is a biproduct of a bilateral relationship.

I admit we do not ahve all the facts - so should be careful with conclusions and assumptions here.

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Officials visit with Canadian citizens detained in China, cite concern over ‘arbitrary detention’

Countries around the world have begun to ban the use of Huawei equipment, citing security concerns. The company has long been accused of espionage and spying activities on behalf of the Chinese government.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4918452/canadians-detained-china-consular-vis...

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62% of Canadians say human rights trump trade in China relationship: Poll

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/nearly-two-thirds-of-canadians-say-human-rig...

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Are Canadians that naive that they don't think the same thing is going on in Canada!

US intelligence warns China is using student spies to steal secrets

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-intelligence-chinese-student-...

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bekayne wrote:

montgomery wrote:

Canada needs to decide in Meng's favour in the courts and send her home. Then the Canadians will be released.

 

So you're saying they're hostages?

Yes, if you want to be totally truthful about the situation. Some may differ. But behind it all is the fact that it's US dirty tricks again that we should all be aware of. As I've stated, in a nutshell: Huawei makes a better product than Apple and can sell it cheaper to the consumer. It's another case of US brand names failing to hold their market share based on a name only.

We're seeing a time in history in which China is saying that it's been pushed enough by the US. They now have the power to push back. And let's keep in mind that China has chosen a path of non-aggression.

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Are Canadians that naive that they don't think the same thing is going on in Canada!

US intelligence warns China is using student spies to steal secrets

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-intelligence-chinese-student-...

Canadians ar unfortunately very naive when it comes to foreign relations. I believe it's my mission to clear away some of the smoke and mirrors and inform them on issue such as support of Nato, limiting our trade relations with the US, and more issues concerning the US criminal enterprise. 

I hope to enlist the support of most of the people on this board, and leave to question those who don't start to get it!

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I’m talking about the Canadians China rounded up in retaliation for Meng’s arrest here

How do you tell them apart form the normal run of Canadians that regularly get arrested in China? Does Canada's MSM really know the Chinese system that well that it can tell the difference?

That is part of it - but also there could be a correlation with the causation backwards.

Canadians arrested in China normally may benefit from the finger on the scale to help them due to good relations with Canada. Without these good relations there may be no finger on the scale at all.

What could explain China's fury is if it intercedes on behalf of Canadians normally to evade normal penalties and the Canadian government won't in the Meng case. This may explain why China won't lift a finger to help these Canadians who have run into trouble there since Canada won't do the same for Meng.

I understand the system is different and the options for Canada are different, but without reviewing the specific cases closely, we cannot be sure that China is doing anything more than not helping where it helped before.

This would certainly explain the accusations of imperialism if China thinks Canada is demadning that it interfere in a process when Canada won't. That and Trudeau's comment about random accusations against Caandians suggesting China has no process at all.

I think there is much more to this than Canadians want to admit. I also think that Canadians (and other nationals) are too used to being partly exempt from local laws in many countries due to "good relations" between governments. It is a bit arrogant to expect this consideration rather than understand that it is a biproduct of a bilateral relationship.

I admit we do not ahve all the facts - so should be careful with conclusions and assumptions here.

Just keep it simple Shine. The main message is that the US is to blame completely and they have force China's hand, which has in turn forced Canada's hand.

Try to impress on North Report that it's almost for certain that Canada's courts will decide correctly and Meng will sooner or later be on her way home. McCallam said so, even though he was a loose cannon talking when he did. He betrayed his leader's gameplan. 

This is all going to plan Shine! 

Sean in Ottawa

montgomery wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I’m talking about the Canadians China rounded up in retaliation for Meng’s arrest here

How do you tell them apart form the normal run of Canadians that regularly get arrested in China? Does Canada's MSM really know the Chinese system that well that it can tell the difference?

That is part of it - but also there could be a correlation with the causation backwards.

Canadians arrested in China normally may benefit from the finger on the scale to help them due to good relations with Canada. Without these good relations there may be no finger on the scale at all.

What could explain China's fury is if it intercedes on behalf of Canadians normally to evade normal penalties and the Canadian government won't in the Meng case. This may explain why China won't lift a finger to help these Canadians who have run into trouble there since Canada won't do the same for Meng.

I understand the system is different and the options for Canada are different, but without reviewing the specific cases closely, we cannot be sure that China is doing anything more than not helping where it helped before.

This would certainly explain the accusations of imperialism if China thinks Canada is demadning that it interfere in a process when Canada won't. That and Trudeau's comment about random accusations against Caandians suggesting China has no process at all.

I think there is much more to this than Canadians want to admit. I also think that Canadians (and other nationals) are too used to being partly exempt from local laws in many countries due to "good relations" between governments. It is a bit arrogant to expect this consideration rather than understand that it is a biproduct of a bilateral relationship.

I admit we do not ahve all the facts - so should be careful with conclusions and assumptions here.

Just keep it simple Shine. The main message is that the US is to blame completely and they have force China's hand, which has in turn forced Canada's hand.

Try to impress on North Report that it's almost for certain that Canada's courts will decide correctly and Meng will sooner or later be on her way home. McCallam said so, even though he was a loose cannon talking when he did. He betrayed his leader's gameplan. 

This is all going to plan Shine! 

Montgomery, call me, and others, by the handle chosen. It is not cuter to make up names for people coming from you than it is from Trump, even if it is just as infantile.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

Montgomery, call me, and others, by the handle chosen. It is not cuter to make up names for people coming from you than it is from Trump, even if it is just as infantile.

Sean I will, starting right now. But I need a commitment from you to stop harassing me and trying to eliminate me from the board for no valid reason. I'm all for a truce between us. Are you?

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I can only assume that you're with me in recognizing that the influx of Asians, and particulary Chinese people, is enriching our society by adding to our ethnic diversity! 

Sometimes you only post a link with no comment but I'm sure your intentions are the most stellar! As are the intentions of the people who make up our NDP party! 

Sean in Ottawa

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I can only assume that you're with me in recognizing that the influx of Asians, and particulary Chinese people, is enriching our society by adding to our ethnic diversity! 

Sometimes you only post a link with no comment but I'm sure your intentions are the most stellar! As are the intentions of the people who make up our NDP party! 

As you are acting like a lonely little man needing a friend and to be part of something - let me say that your approach here is all wrong. Pissing people off is not endearing.

montgomery

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

montgomery wrote:

I can only assume that you're with me in recognizing that the influx of Asians, and particulary Chinese people, is enriching our society by adding to our ethnic diversity! 

Sometimes you only post a link with no comment but I'm sure your intentions are the most stellar! As are the intentions of the people who make up our NDP party! 

As you are acting like a lonely little man needing a friend and to be part of something - let me say that your approach here is all wrong. Pissing people off is not endearing.

Shine Please!! You're intimating that I missed the intent of North Report!! I'm absolutely sure that North Report wouldn't be of any other mind than to be accepting of the diversity Asians bring to our Canadian society. Why Shine, is not North Report herself/himself of a diverse ethnicity?

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The US needs to get over to Asia lickety-split and start paying a lot more attentionto what is going on South China Sea

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/2019/02/05/world-bank-just-became-latest-front-us-china-shouting-match/

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Good suggestion As Canada needs to keep uping the ante until these Canadians are released

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-its-time-for-trudeau-to-take-a-harder-line-with-china-over-detained-canadians

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