The endless war continues: Taking stock of U.S. strategy under Obama

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The endless war continues: Taking stock of U.S. strategy under Obama

"Since the election of Barack Obama, mainstream observers have commented on the turmoil in the backrooms of the White House and the Pentagon. Apparently, the new President is trying to repair the damages done by the irresponsible and reckless moves of the Bush era and refocus the U.S. around a new set of policies. It is going to be very tough. On a parallel track, many think that the long-term decline of the U.S. is inevitable, partially because of its own internal fractures (economic crisis, military overstretch), partially because of the rise of emerging powers. All of this leaves the impression that U.S. elites are in disarray. Is it the case?"


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Frmrsldr
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Is it the case?"

Absolutely. And Canada "Is Holding The Bully's Coat." Frown

 


West Coast Greeny
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The long term decline of the United States IS inevitable - not because of the way the country is being managed, but because the developing world, especially China and India, is destined to catch up to and overtake the country.


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i don't think the US elites are in disarray at all.  they just shifted rhetoric.

until China and India and other countries start trading with eachother in non-US dollar currency, esp for energy, the US is still in the drivers seat.  then add on the vast US arsenal and satellite dominance of space. 

i did think it was a good point that 'developing' countries- the ones who seek to be Empires themselves- will do some give and take so that they have negotiating strength while at the same time not taking too much of a loss from their holdings of US bonds.

anywya, while i thinkg its important for us to encourage various players to hammer away on things like climate change and human rights, these abuses will continue to deteriorate until we encourage all players to get more participatory handles on currencies, finance, and trade.

 


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which reminds me, i haven't revisted www.un.org for awhile to see what's happening with that finance and development conference, via the UN pres' page. and i've been baked by the heat today and have to go out again ,

cant wait til winter [chuckle..sometimes you have to laugh at yourself...


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Obama's Emerging Legacy:Wars, Bankers and For-Profit Healthcare

http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/obama%E2%80%99s-emerging-legacy-...


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just thought about the Sri Lankan situation, you know China and India and the US and other countries all had a role in making sure Tamils in the north didn't control the fossil fuel reserves offshore from their homelands.

Big powers get away with this because of their entanglements in finance, their continued propping up of the farce that is the banker-controlled so-called 'market'.

i'm thinking about this now because an employment opportunity has opened up, but the continuation of that workplace is dependent upon partial gov't grants which require 2/3 of the group's income to come from 'leveraged funding' ie) private sector funding, from the very industries which are the greatest culprits of the issues the group is mandated to address.  so you get this wierd situation in a job where you can only pick away at the problem while ensuring the problem remains rooted, so that you continue to have a job.

for some reason my current employment, though with very little income, at least gives me peace of mind in some respects, though uncertainties and hard work in other respects. 

all of us keep butting heads with industrial/ financial rulers, and there do not seem to be any real good solutions at present.

maybe there are some options if people 'starve' the rulers, ie) build up their own alternatives, and try to keep away from the casino. get security elsewhere.


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America's War with Muslim Nations

http://www.countercurrents.org/hassan300609.htm


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Waging War Upon Our Friends

http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/waging-war-upon-our...

"The United States corporacracy is a monstrous devouring beast and "Islamist terror" is her illegitimate offspring. "Al Qaeda" is fake. The war on terror is a fraud. The fraud is a plan for world war..."

Michael Hudson's "Super Imperialism"

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-hudsons-super-imperialism....

"In other words, the global 'dollar glut' finances US corporate takeovers, speculative sucesses creating bubbles and global economic crises, America's reckless spending, foreign wars, hundreds of bases worldwide, 'military buildup', and a culture of militarism, a belligerence overall at the expense of democratic freedoms, beneficial social change, and human and civil rights.."

Release of the "Holy Grail" of US Torture Reports Delayed Again:

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/07/01/release-of-the-holy-grail-of...

The Launching of US Cyber Command

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14186

"America needs the ability to carpet-bomb in cyberspace to create the deterrent we need"

This is the Obama presidency - how do you like it so far?


NorthReport
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And 9/11 never happened. Laughing


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The Base Court: Another Fortress Rising in America's Ring of Iron

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"It is one of the most extraordinary episodes in world history. But it will almost certainly not be mentioned next week when Barack Obama visits Moscow--where as the proud head of a machine that has killed a million innocent people in Iraq and is killing thousands more in Afghanistan, as the stout defender and expander of the authoritarian power grabs of his White House predecessor and a staunch shield for torturers and other war criminals, he will scold the Russians for their lack of liberty and human rights.." CF

"and I'm also down in Washington to meet with key senior Democrats about how they waged a winning campaign for change that put everyday people first, ahead of the big corporate interests - just like we want to do in Canada. Together we can build a movement for change right here in Canada. And Obama's inner circle will help. Once again, this is what you get when you support your New Democrats." NDP

change you can believe in eh?


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Biden: Israel "entitled" to Attack Iran

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/07/05/biden-israel-entitled-to-attack-iran/

Yes, the axis of entitled-criminal-agression flashes the green for Iran attack
-- with the added bonus of guaranteeing there is no pesky successful democratisation movement in Iran.

And seconded by the theo-thugocratic US client state, Saudi Arabia:

Quote:

From The Sunday Times
July 5, 2009
Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran
Uzi Mahnaimi in Tel Aviv and Sarah Baxter  


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6638568.e...


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Afghan Deaths, Troop Casualties Soar in First Days of New US Offensive

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/afgh-j07.shtml

"The first days of the offensive by US marines into the southern province of Halmand make clear it will result in a massive escalation in violence against the Afghan people and an upsurge in resistence to the US and NATO occupation...the dispatch of more and more troops follows inexorably from the determination in the White House to consolidate Afghanistan as a neo-colonial client state in Central Asia.."

 


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Is it really an increase of troop causalities? Can we compare this new offensive by the US in Helmand province to last year offensive operations by the British?

 

The Helmand river valley has always been a hotbed of activity for the British and the now the US, it is equivalent to Zhari and Panjwayi districts for the Canadians.


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Joe Biden wrote:
"We cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination, if they make a determination, that they're existentially threatened."

Not even if that sovereign nation is Iran?


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Webgear wrote:

The Helmand river valley has always been a hotbed of activity for the British and the now the US, it is equivalent to Zhari and Panjwayi districts for the Canadians.

The war is a fucking embarrassment. We have been waging an illegal genocidal war in Afghanistan for over seven years, using technologically advanced weapons against crude low tech weapons used by simple peasants. We are not anywhere nearer to defeating them in Helmand and Kandahar provinces now as when we began. The more troops we send over there and the more we escalate the level of violence, the more insurgents pick up arms against us. We are losing the hearts and minds and, therefore, the war. Abysmally. Like the Russians before us, we are going to get our asses kicked.

Support the Troops

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Bring Our Troops Home Now!


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"learning from the best" - A Democratic Party strategist, James Carville is now assisting a former Afghan finance minister and World Bank official, Ashraf Ghani, "so Afghans had a viable choice in the Aug. 20 poll."

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/07/08/us-strategist-helps-rival-of-afghanis...


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Oh yes indeed, NATO leadership has shown such understanding and brilliance in whichever country they were left in charge after some obligatory military pounding. Those countries were guaranteed to have achieved peace with dignity and respect for human rights. Countries like Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Afghanistan...

And why ruin a good thing?? The bloated retro-style alliance continues to grow, absorb gullible members, and waste more taxpayer money.

But they shouldnt fear. The butchers who used cluster bombs on Balkan civilians will never be brought to justice because they were defending 'Western values'.

Even restrospectively, when the Imperial planners admit their arrogant failures, the corporate press still whitewashes them. Case in point, Cheney admitting Iraq never had WMDs, and the news sailing by like a paper plane in a rowdy classroom.


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no rowdy classroom here that I know of..


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I wasnt talking about babble really, but on a greater scale in the world MSM and public opinion. As long as we all continue to trust in MSM with its distortions and omissions (see Honduras coup), we will keep the soil fertile for the Western elite's future plans of more invasions and resource grabs.

One case in point that i tried to refer to is of NATO commanders not being brought to justice for disgusting use of cluster bombs against Yugoslav and Albanian civilians in 1999. And since I read a detailed article in The Independent a couple of years ago, there has been zero discussions of that. The Iraq war crimes responsibility has also been ignored, even though it had a much higher body count.


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I'm for more rowdy classrooms if anything..

A War of Colonial Conquest in Afghanistan

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/pers-j10.shtml

"The truth is that the governments of the US, Britain and the other countries taking part in the war are telling their people as little as possible. They are being assisted by a corrupt media establishment that allows itself to be censored and provides only the most sanitised reports.."


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NDPP

All media is corrupt.


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Webgear wrote:

All media is corrupt.

In Canada, Prime Minister Stephen Harper is micro managing the 'spin' on the war.

The Canadian military has its Public Information Assisstants (PIAs) or Public Information Officers (PIOs) who are also micro managing the 'spin' on the war.

So it seems that not only is the Canadian mainstream media corrupt, but so is the Canadian government and Canadian military.


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Frmsldr

Yes that may be the case, however all media have biases. You have right and left wing media spinning their views on any issue.  

Each media organization is trying to push their views on each issue, which is fine in my view. People need to understand that they are being pushed certain views from certain organizations, and for a balanced approach people need to gather their news from every media organization in order to have a better picture of the issue being discussed.

Journalist are sometimes no better than lawyers and politicians.


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What left wing media?

What do you think about the revalations that some NATO military personel are involved with the whole New Saxon movement webgear?

Plus, I have never obserevd any balance coming from you. Not saying that you have not, just have not seen it. Your comments on the NDP convention thread, are case in point.


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Genocide in Darfur: Psyops Deconstructed

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"It has been reported that African Unity will not cooperate with the ICC indictment of Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir. This is a poitive development, and I wold like to submit my own analysis and testimony on behalf of Sudan, in a spirit of defiant resistance and for the cause of truth."


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Remind

Take Rabble of instance however we could look at a number of sites, because I believe since both read the articles on the main website, have you ever seen a positive military story?

I am saying that all media is basis, for both good and bad points.

What do you mean by new Saxon Movement?

Maybe I have do been balanced in the past however I am trying to change.

 

Edit: I believe coverage from CTV and other main stream media have not been as professional as required, they have lied or mistold the truth on many subjects.


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Oh, I agree with you about the msm, they have not told the truth about any number of things. Say nothing of failure to report even more things.

rabble is one small, centrist media site, definitely not left, as opposed to right.

Now...I call that whole media launching of the movement to rename a section of Hwy, to glorify fallen soldiers in a colonial war, pretty damn positive.  As is not reporting on how many innocents have been slaughtered by our military. And their touting the freedom for Afghans line in accordance with colonial government dictates.

The participation of some in the NATO military in the New Saxon movement, which is known to the military leaders, but yet goes unactioned, merely underscores what I indicated long ago here, about the army.ca website and some of those posting there using quotes of Hitler to up lift them.

 


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I am surprised that you think Rabble is centrist media site, I would describe Rabble has a left of centre media site however not left wing.

Yes, renaming the hwy is positive however I was referencing to central and left wing media sites with regards to military articles.

I will check the army.ca website, for the New Saxon movement. Can you provide any more links or details?

Do you believe a majority have journalist (both left and right wing writers) have been honest with their reporting on their subjects?

Do you believe they conduct proper research and source their references? I do not believe this has happen?

Do you believe they only write short sound bite like articles? I believe many reporters do not write long and detailed enough articles.


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Webgear wrote:
I am surprised that you think Rabble is centrist media site, I would describe Rabble has a left of centre media site however not left wing.

Only someone the right would see rabble as left. It is indeed centrist.

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Yes, renaming the hwy is positive however I was referencing to central and left wing media sites with regards to military articles.

I do not know of any left wing media sites.

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Do you believe a majority have journalist (both left and right wing writers) have been honest with their reporting on their subjects?

I consider all mainstream media news readers today to have a right wing bias, unless they are feminists. And no I do not believe they have been honest as per my points above.

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Do you believe they conduct proper research and source their references? I do not believe this has happen?

Do you believe they only write short sound bite like articles? I believe many reporters do not write long and detailed enough articles.

See above.

You can  go to the new saxon website, it is those 2 words plus .org, and I have not been back to army.ca since I discovered  that some there love Hitler, so I do not know if they have mentioned new saxon affiliation there, or not.


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Webgear,

it boils down to whether you believe in objective truth or not.

Is there such a thing as objective truth or is it all subjective experience?

I personally do believe in objective truth.

The (objective) truth has no political bias.

For example, one source where I get news on Afghanistan is RAWA. Here, they collect articles from unembedded and independent journalists like Anand Ghopal, Graeme Smith, etc. - journalists who go into the Afghan countryside and interview Afghan people.

In my opinion, there are two kinds of journalists:

1. Those where journalism is what they do for a job.

2. Those for whom being a journalist is what they are. It defines who they are. They are motivated by a drive to search for the truth; not only for their own personal enlightenment, but for the enlightenment of others.


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The Canadian corporate media are all embedded within the occupation forces in Afghanistan and they will not do anything to jeopardise their privileged postition. They don't report the "truth", because there is no "truth". There is the occupier's story, and that is it. Since it is the occupier's story, there is no need to pursue other truths, because by definition We are Right.

I have not seen a single corporate media story questioning the Afghanistan occupation. Indeed, merely calling it such is far out beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse. It is a "mission", like a mission from God himself to pacify and civilize the heathen savage, and woe be unto any well-fed western journalist who dares to question the will of God. Even Jack Layton agrees.

If you seek "balance", or "objective", or "centerist" views, you are already operating within a worldview that believes such nonsense exists, like virgin births or the evil eye. "Centerist", in this case means "whatever agrees with my preconceptions".

It isn't the case of the media being dishonest, or incompetent, or that they "mistold the truths" (whatever that bushlike saying means). The media report what the consensual elite opinion is on the matter. Truth, honesty, or other naive concepts are irrelevant when you have masters to please. So, the story is Canadian troops are in Afghanistan at the request of the democratically elected Karzai government, to build hospitals, schools and roads, and to defeat the enemy of civilization everywhere (the Taliban, whose mere existence is a threat to even Canadians at home) so the people of Afghanistan, especially young girls, can reap the benefits of democracy, freedom, and free markets. And that is what the media will tell us, with consumate professionalism.

 

 


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remind wrote:
Webgear wrote:
I am surprised that you think Rabble is centrist media site, I would describe Rabble has a left of centre media site however not left wing.

Only someone the right would see rabble as left. It is indeed centrist.

In that vein, if it all depends on where you stand, you could as easily say that only only someone on the extreme left would see it as centrist, or perhaps even right wing, no?

I find the recent ad campaign somewhat indicative of the nature of the site:

Murray Dobbin wrote:
In our fight against corporate power, our greatest weakness is our isolation from each other.  rabble.ca is an antidote to the systematic destruction of community that neo-liberalism entails

Hardly sounds like New Labour, third-way centrism.

Jim Stanford wrote:
We lefties . . .

Jim Stanford: huge right-winger . . . apparently.


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No...I think that any site that allows right wing discourse  in it, is pretty much in the  centre, as you cannot build a completely left "community" with right wing participants.


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Frmrsldr wrote:
The Canadian military has its Public Information Assisstants (PIAs) or Public Information Officers (PIOs) who are also micro managing the 'spin' on the war.

They call themselves Public Affairs Officers.  Each of the large military bases has a few of them, and small teams form part of the staff within each of the groups listed on the linked NDHQ Org chart below.  A Level 2 group within NDHQ called Assistant Deputy Minister (Public Affairs) is responsible for directing the overall public communications effort for the department.  Although they draft the responses and spin, and communicate it to the public, nothing is released unless it is authorized in writing from the top, which is the CDS/DM/MND level.

Organization Chart


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Slumberjack wrote:

nothing is released unless it is authorized in writing from the top, which is the CDS/DM/MND level.

Oh I know, I know. Frown


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remind wrote:
No...I think that any site that allows right wing discourse  in it, is pretty much in the  centre, as you cannot build a completely left "community" with right wing participants.

Ah, it's insufficiently "pure" enough.

But I'm at a loss - what right-wing commentators are given a platform at rabble.ca?  Or are you referring just to these forums?  rabble.ca can hardly be held responsible for what each and every poster posts - or should they be doing more to purge babble of undesirables?


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Frmrsldr wrote:

Slumberjack wrote:

nothing is released unless it is authorized in writing from the top, which is the CDS/DM/MND level.

Oh I know, I know. Frown 

I mention it only out of some lingering sense of compassion, in recalling an informal chat I was having with one of them during the Somalia scandal, where 'sniff' the gist was that 'they're blaming it all on us.'  Luckily, it was sleeves down season at the time.


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A_J wrote:
....or should they be doing more to purge babble of undesirables?

This is the home of the undesirables.


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A_J wrote:
remind wrote:
No...I think that any site that allows right wing discourse  in it, is pretty much in the  centre, as you cannot build a completely left "community" with right wing participants.

Ah, it's insufficiently "pure" enough.

But I'm at a loss - what right-wing commentators are given a platform at rabble.ca?  Or are you referring just to these forums?  rabble.ca can hardly be held responsible for what each and every poster posts - or should they be doing more to purge babble of undesirables?

It is not a matter of purity at all, nor have I stated that I disagree with the centrist nature of rabble. I merely stated it was not left, but centre.


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remind wrote:
I merely stated it was not left, but centre.

Not predominantly though, by any stretch of the noggin.


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I don't see a lot of marxist philosophy writing by the commentators, nor support for communism, do you? Rabble is a privately owned for profit site, not a collective.

Perhaps those viewing rabble with a right conceptual framework see it as being left, as opposed to realizing it is more centrist than left?


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remind wrote:
I don't see a lot of marxist philosophy writing by the commentators, nor support for communism, do you? Rabble is a privately owned for profit site, not a collective.

Perhaps those viewing rabble with a right conceptual framework see it as being left, as opposed to realizing it is more centrist than left?

From the "About Us" info on the home page:  "rabble.ca is a registered not-for-profit organization"

You obviously haven't spent much time hanging out overnight with Fidel and Cueball.  And besides, I'm not following you down yet another thread drift path again.


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Obama's Ghana Speech

http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/obamas-ghana-speech/

"In the same fashion that was on display in his Cairo speech, Obama understood how to use words in Ghana that would make him appear as transcending colonialism, almost like the second coming of Frantz Fanon.."


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From WWII to WWIII: Global NATO and a Remilitarized Germany

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US Strategy of Total Energy Control over the European Union and Eurasia

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Jakarta Hotel Bombs, The Military and the CIA

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Clinton Delivers Unwanted Tidings to New Delhi

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG22DF01.html

"the heart of the matter is that the US cannot allow any third party to interrupt the critically important business of its close collaboration with Islamabad to stabilize Afghanistan through dialogue with the Taliban...Furthermore, as the great game accelerates in Central Asia and if the situation around Iran assumes criticality, Pakistan is becoming a key partner. Pakistan's brusque integration into NATO is self evident.."


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US Bases and Empire: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14468

"Bases are the literal and symbolic anchors and the most visible centerpieces, of the US military presence overseas. To understand where those bases are and how they are being used is essential for understanding the United States' relationship with the rest of the world, the role of coercion and its politcal economic complexion. I ask why this empire of bases was established in the first place, how the bases are currently configured around the world and how that configuration is changing..."

 


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