Fake News or What did Trump Lie About Today!

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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I do think the unaccountable private bureaucracies of Google/Facebook/Twitter are preferable to US government regulation of web traffic and search results.

I'm inclined to agree and I'd add that no other government, including our own, would be preferable either.  There's something relatively pure about the quest for filthy lucre -- I trust that more than I trust a government with political goals.

I guess I just have a very different perception of the world. I trust huge corporations less than any other group I can think of. Governments are bad, but not nearly as bad as private corporations, in my view.

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And despite what doomsayers may insist, Google does have competition.   If you don't trust them, for this or any other reason, try DuckDuckGo. 

Yes, I've been using DDG as my main search engine for 3 or 4 years now. They say they don't track you, but I'm not sure I believe them.

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The lingering problem, of course, is that even if you take your searching elsewhere, other people might not, and then heaven forbid they'll never be "woke" by RT's awesome truth machine. 

When they came for RT, I said nothing, because I considered it Russian propaganda.

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I guess I just have a very different perception of the world. I trust huge corporations less than any other group I can think of. Governments are bad, but not nearly as bad as private corporations, in my view.

Are they bad in the same way, or in different ways?

I don't trust Google not to use my browsing history to show me targetted ads -- in fact, it happens all the time.

But I trust Google more than I trust the U.S. State Department to decide who and who isn't a source of tainted news.

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When they came for RT, I said nothing, because I considered it Russian propaganda.

And when they hadn't yet come for Breitbart and the Daily Caller, you egged them on to do so for the same reason.

I think you may have totally missed Martin Niemoller's point.

ed'd to add:  and FWIW, corporations may be actually MORE accountable than governments in a context like this.

If the government is in charge of search engine rankings, and you think they're being dishonest about it, you get to wait until the next general election to tell them so by voting for someone else, and if lots of people don't agree then the government can still win the election and get right back at it with no penalty.

If one search engine company is in charge of search engine rankings, and you think they're being dishonest about it, you can tell them so immediately by using another search engine, and even if 51% of users disagree with you, they'll still feel the sting from the 49% who don't -- it's not 'winner take all'.

I'm not sure how any company that needs business to stay afloat can be "unaccountable".  Apart from results at the ballot box, governments aren't even accountable for blatantly broken promises, nevermind anything else.

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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I guess I just have a very different perception of the world. I trust huge corporations less than any other group I can think of. Governments are bad, but not nearly as bad as private corporations, in my view.

Are they bad in the same way, or in different ways?

I don't trust Google not to use my browsing history to show me targetted ads -- in fact, it happens all the time.

But I trust Google more than I trust the U.S. State Department to decide who and who isn't a source of tainted news.

In the same way. They both represent power over what is considered legitimate news. Google couldn't care less about the merits of the question, they only care about optimizing their profits. Plus, we have absolutely no access to their internal processes or the data on which they base their decisions. The government is composed of politicians who only care about doing what their donors want (probably not that different from what Google wants), but also civil servants who may in fact have a bit of idealism about their jobs, and will sometimes leak things the politicians don't want to have public. Plus, there is always the chance there may be one or two honest and well-motivated politicians as well. No such hope in corporations, where the "fiduciary duty" is to maximize profits for the shareholders.

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When they came for RT, I said nothing, because I considered it Russian propaganda.

And when they hadn't yet come for Breitbart and the Daily Caller, you egged them on to do so for the same reason.

I think you may have totally missed Martin Niemoller's point.

Yeah, that does seem hypocritical on my part, so I guess I have to put up with Breitbart and Daily Caller appearing on Google News. Once again, my bad.

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Attacks on Media, Like Roy Moore’s, Endanger Democracy

Politicians who cry “fake news” in response to credible media investigations ultimately can provide cover for corruption and authoritarianism

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How Trump turned Sean Hannity into a conspiracy theorist

The Fox News host is sounding a lot like Alex Jones.

https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/11/22/16692190/strikethrough-trump-sean-...

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Demonising Russia and RT

https://t.co/oGzGzehV6s

"The dark effects of liberal authoritarianism..."

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Russians do a good job of demonizing themselves.

Sean in Ottawa

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Russians do a good job of demonizing themselves.

When humans associate in groups they tend to do a ggod job of that. Whatever the group.

This is why I have come to dislike nationalism.

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Journalism Is Imploding Just When We Need It Most

But we may have one last shot at a reset.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/11/journalism-is-imploding-just...

voice of the damned

Would it be possible for the government to set up a Crown Corporation(or the republican equivalent) to run a search engine in competition with google and other private sector operators? Sort of the way government owned media(CBC etc) give us an alternative to corporate owned outlets, and vice versa, to ensure that neither the public nor private sectors has a monopoly on news and information.  

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Would it be possible for the government to set up a Crown Corporation(or the republican equivalent) to run a search engine in competition with google and other private sector operators?

Theoretically, sure.

But the problem with search engines is that they're only as good as their database of links, which they create and expand by searching the web (programmatically), following links, indexing everything they find at those links, and moving on to other links.  Google and other search engines have quite the head start on that.  And naturally, you need servers.  Lots and lots of servers.  Server FARMS, and plenty of them.

So I don't know if it would be seen as a good investment on the part of the government to try to (poorly) replicate Google or other search engines solely because Google chooses to downrate this or that website.

It's worth noting that even if Google downrates (say) RT.com, you can still find anything you want on RT.com just by prefacing your Google search with "site:RT.com" -- that's basically how I find things on babble (which isn't downrated, but typically doesn't show up on the first page of hits for "abolish senate" or whatever).

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She falsely claimed Roy Moore impregnated her at 15. She appears to be part of sting targeting the Washington Post

The Post did not publish an article based on the woman’s unsubstantiated account. The paper’s reporters later connected her to Project Veritas, an organization that targets the mainstream media and left-leaning groups.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/11/27/she-falsely-claimed-roy-mo...

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At home, the Trump effect is more subtle, but corrosive. The First Amendment does not appear to be in existential danger; on the Supreme Court, Justices appointed by both Republican and Democratic Presidents endorse expansive ideas about free speech, even as they debate interpretations. Yet many of the rights that working journalists enjoy stem from state laws and from the case-by-case decisions of local judges. The climate that Trump has helped create may undermine some of these protections—for example, by prompting state legislatures to overturn shield laws that encode the rights of reporters to protect confidential sources.

Trump’s alignment with right-wing publishers, such as Infowars and Breitbart, some of which see Fox News as the old-school communications arm of an obsolete Republican establishment, reflects a broader fragmentation of the media. Amid the cacophony of the digital era, publishers and advertisers prize readers who are deeply engaged, not just clicking around sites. News organizations as distinct as the Times and Breitbart now think of their audiences as communities in formation, bound by common values. A more openly factional, political journalism need not portend the death of fact-driven, truth-seeking, fair-minded reporting. Yet excellent journalism typically follows a form of the scientific method, prioritizing evidence, transparency, and the replicability of findings; journalism grounded in an ideology can be discredited by the practitioner’s preëmptive assumptions.

Fortunately, in attacking the media Trump has in many ways strengthened it. This year, the Times, the Washington Post, and many other independent, professional enterprises have reminded the country why the Founders enshrined a free press as a defense against abusive power. Among other achievements, the media’s coverage of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation has made transparent the seriousness of its findings so far, and constrained the President’s transparent desire to interfere.

Last Friday, Mueller dropped his latest bombshell, a plea agreement with Michael Flynn, the former national-security adviser, who admitted that, in January, he lied to the F.B.I. about his contacts with Sergey Kislyak, then Russia’s Ambassador to the United States. The court papers filed with Flynn’s plea lay out a story of how senior members of the Trump transition team asked Flynn to communicate with Russian officials on matters of U.S. foreign policy. The papers also contain a reference to a discussion that Flynn had with “a very senior member” of the transition team, a characterization that suggests that the list of names of who that may be is a short one. The chances that history will remember Mueller’s investigation of Trump and his closest advisers as fake news grow slimmer by the day. ♦

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/donald-trumps-fake-news-ta...

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Breitbart Writer Exposed as Admin of White Supremacist Facebook Group

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read more: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.825453

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.825453

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"Trump's Generals and Zionists on the one hand and the Democrats [also Zionists], liberals, anti-fascists and leftists formed the 'resistance' and fought fiercely for freedom: Freedom to direct the state to censor alternative news or informed discussion debunking the canard about Russian meddling, exposing Ukraine's land grabs, proving Iran's compliance to the nuclear deal and Tel Aviv's baseless warnings about Tehran.

The threat of war spreading across the Middle East: How many families would the unholy trinity of Saudi Arabia-US-Israel slaughter, starve or incarcerate in Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan? Drowned out by domestic scandals and conspiracies - this carnage did not happen in the news..."

China, Saudi Arabia and the US: Shake Up and Shake Down  -  by James Petras

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_78174.shtml

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Trump’s Manipulation of Mass Consciousness

Repeat lies endlessly and with enough authority and you’ll make others believe what you want them to.

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/12/08/Trumps-Manipulation-Of-Mass-Consci...

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Americans, not the 1%, but the other 99%, are screwed as it is only going to get much, much worse for them And of course we will experience the ripple effect in Canada as well

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-next-step-in-the-radical-trump-gop-agenda-gut-the-welfare-state

 

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The problem with fake news is that after Putin, Trump is the biggest fake news perpetrator on the planet

And Trump has discovered twitter which allows him to bypass any news media filter and project his lies and deceit directly to the voters of America. Trump is moving towards making the USA system emmulate his and NDPP's hero former KGB Putin with his Russian dictatorship.

 Trump does it because he knows the power of advertising/marketing, Madison Avenue and the media to manipulate the braindead American voters

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-prodigious-television-news-consumption-new-york-times-report

josh
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Bingo!

Most Americans haven't a clue what's coming down the pipes.

Sadly but frankly, Donald Trump is not going anywhere

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/sadly-frankly-donald-trump-1712...

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