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Forget the two-state solution, Part 4

M. Spector
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Continued from Part 3.


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M. Spector
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As expected, Israel ended its bogus construction moratorium in the Occupied Palestinian Territories and reaffirmed its goal to continue its colonization of Palestinian lands. This policy has resulted in tripling the number of Jewish colonists in the occupied West bank and doubling the Jewish colonists in occupied East Jerusalem since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993.

Israel's colonization and ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land continued apace during the last 10 months. The so-called settlement freeze was a myth right from the start. It only covered new construction starts in the occupied Palestinian West Bank, and did not apply to already-approved construction, infrastructure projects, or colonies expansion in occupied Palestinian East Jerusalem.  Moreover, data from Israel's statistical office shows the population of Jewish West Bank colonies increased by 20 thousand and the Israeli Jewish population of East Jerusalem rose by 7 thousand since the so-called moratorium was imposed.

Israel's actions have made the two-state solution unattainable. It has formally annexed East Jerusalem. There are currently 520 thousand Israeli Jews in 132 colonies and 100 outposts in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and no Israeli government is willing or able to evict that population. In short the colonies cannot be undone and a de-facto annexation of the West Bank has already taken place.

Presently, within the borders of historical Palestine there is in fact a single state. It has one electrical grid, one water system, one currency, one major highway system, one postal service, and one external border. Goods and people entering this de facto state come through harbours, airports, and a restricted number of crossings. Bills of lading and passports are checked and stamped by officials of this single state.

Gaza is repressively besieged. West Bank Palestinians and Jerusalemites are virtually imprisoned by the Wall, checkpoints, permit restrictions, and total military control. Moreover, there are two different sets of laws for two different people living in that one state. Jews from Toronto or Buenos Aires get immediate Israeli citizenship on arrival to live anywhere in Israel or in the colonies in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem; while Palestinian refugees are not allowed to return and Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel are prevented from living on 93 percent of the State of Israel that is owned by the Jewish National Fund and the Israeli Land Authority.

In short, within Israel and in the West bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza, Israel has created one bi-national entity between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River in which one population (the Jews) has separated itself from the other (the Muslim and Christian Palestinians) and instituted a regime of permanent domination and discrimination. That is precisely the definition of apartheid.

- Canadian Arab Federation press release


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further to M Spector's excellent CAF post re: instituting 'a regime of permanent domination and discrimination'

Israeli Academics Protest 'Fascist Bill'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/146212.html

"A group of Israeli academicians, artists and intellectuals have staged a protest concerning the approval of a loyalty oath by Premier Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet. According to Professor Yaron Ezrachi, Israel's deteriorating from the vision of a democratic state to a fascist state. 'Our children will either leave this terrible place, be put in jail, or fight in the streets,' Ynet news website quoted him as telling a crowd of protesters outside the Eretz Israel Museum..'

Yet Canada initiates an expanded trade relationship and there is no protest of these Israeli apartheid policies in the complicit Canadian parliament.


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From Apartheid South Africa to Palestine

http://www.counterpunch.org/bond10132010.html

"...long overdue international solidarity with Palestine gathers momentum, while Banjamin Netanyahu's bad-faith peace talks with collaborationist Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas go nowhere...The BDS movement draws inspiration from the way we toppled apartheid.."


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VTJP Headlines - Occupied Palestine and Israel 10/17/2010

http://www.vtjp.org/OccupationNewsCompact.php

excellent list of current news and developments

 

 


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Smothered by Settlements  - by Mustafa Barghouthi

http://www.zcommunications.org/smothered-by-settlements-by-mustafa-bargh...

"Negotiations between two unequal partners cannot succeed. Much like previous rounds of talks, these negotiations were dominated on one side by an Israeli government that controls the land, roads, airspace, borders, water and electricity, as well as the trade and economy of the Palestinian side, whle possessing a powerful military establishment (now the 3rd military exporter in the world) and a robust gross domestic product, which has tripled in the last decade..

This same Israeli 'partner' now also boasts a general public that has shifted dramatically to the right, and to which an apartheid system for Palestinians has now become an acceptable normal. On the other side is the Palestinian Authority - one that paradoxically holds little real authority and exists as a sort of fiefdom within the Israeli matrix of control..."


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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

Smothered by Settlements  - by Mustafa Barghouthi

http://www.zcommunications.org/smothered-by-settlements-by-mustafa-barghouthi

The article goes on to say:

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The only way to save the two-state solution is for the Palestinians to declare the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the territories occupied by Israel in 1967, including East Jerusalem, and to demand that the world community recognize it and its borders — as it did in the case of Kosovo. 


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Although the subjugation and daily humiliation of occupation takes various forms in East Jerusalem and the West Bank—demeaning checkpoint searches; arrest and interrogation of minors; preventing ambulances from expeditiously transporting the sick to hospitals; the eviction of families and demolition of homes—few situations evoke more outrage and deep sadness as do the torching of olive orchards by vigilante settlers.

Last Friday was the official start of the olive harvest season in the Israeli-occupied West Bank as gunfire and real fire once again heralded its opening. Hundreds of trees were burned by settlers as Israeli soldiers looked on. Fire trucks were prevented from helping put out the blaze in what has become an annual ritual of despoiling land by those who have illegally settled on it.

Palestine's Olive Harvest Horror

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Israeli Settlers Flood Beit Ommar Land with Raw Sewage (and vid)

http://palestinesolidarityproject.org/2010/10/17/israeli-settler-sewage-...

"Today marks the 4th time this year that the settlement has dumped waste water onto the Sabarma's land. The flooding poses a major health hazard to the village residents.."

Canada supports the settlers

Consul General Of Israel (Toronto)

consul@toronto.info.gov.il


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Wikipedia - Turkel Commission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkel_Commission

"The Turkel Commission is an inquiry set up by the Israeli Government to investigate the Gaza Flotilla raid and the blockade of Gaza. It includes two international observers one of which is Canadian -  former Judge Advocate General, Ken Watkins...'

Turkel-Schmerkel: Israeli Flotilla Probe 'A Sham' - by Sherine Tadros AJ

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/10/26/israeli-flotilla-probe...

"Every step of the way it was obvious that the commission, which was tasked with determining whether Israel is in breach of international law in blockading Gaza, had made up their minds long before they stepped into the Rabin Guest House. But put all that aside, here's 5 simple reasons why this commission is a sham..."

Lawyers Establish Flotilla Justice Group

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/press-releases/1261-lawyers-establish-fl...

"International legal experts and lawyers representing victims of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla today announced the establishment of the 'Flotilla Justice Group'..."


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Your links are great, NDP, but could you please, please learn to use the frikkin' url and quote functions? Doesn't the following look much more accessible and comprehensible?

 

Wikipedia - Turkel Commission

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The Turkel Commission is an inquiry set up by the Israeli Government to investigate the Gaza Flotilla raid and the blockade of Gaza. It includes two international observers one of which is Canadian -  former Judge Advocate General, Ken Watkins...

 

Turkel-Schmerkel: Israeli Flotilla Probe 'A Sham' - by Sherine Tadros AJ

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Every step of the way it was obvious that the commission, which was tasked with determining whether Israel is in breach of international law in blockading Gaza, had made up their minds long before they stepped into the Rabin Guest House. But put all that aside, here's 5 simple reasons why this commission is a sham...

 

Lawyers Establish Flotilla Justice Group

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International legal experts and lawyers representing victims of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla today announced the establishment of the 'Flotilla Justice Group'...

 


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M. Spector wrote:

Your links are great, NDP, but could you please, please learn to use the frikkin' url and quote functions?

NDPP

Thanks M.S

like yours looks fine prefer mine


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Declaration of The Movement For One Democratic State in Palestine

http://onedemocraticstate.org/?page-10=9

" We therefore commit ourselves to building an international movement based on universal principles of peace, equality, justice and human rights, to establish one democratic state in Palestine. This state will be based on the following pillars..."


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The Political Economy of Israel's Occupation: Repression Beyond Exploitation  -  by Alex Snowdon

http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/features/53-reviews/7331-the-politi...

"Shir Hever's analysis attempts to answer important questions such as why the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories live in poverty, and whether Israel benefits from their condition..

Those who profit from the Israeli crisis have no incentive to help in resolving it..."


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Window To Palestinian Defeat

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/1022/re62.htm

'It's a Palestinian Balfour Declaration,' stated Israeli Prime Minister Binjaymin Netanyahu...not realising that the microphone if an Israeli TV channel was near by and captured the statement on video and audio...

Were the Palestinians to concede the Jewish character of Israel it would end their national cause, and Israel's politicians know it.."


Naturefreak
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And if Israel were to disappear the region would be peaceful and productive, the politics transparent and beneficent?


al-Qa'bong
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Maybe.  It's worth a try.


Ken Burch
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It would probably help if most of the local clerics of the three "Abrahamic faiths" disappeared, while we're on the subject

And it would help if the OTHER regimes in the region disappeared as well.

And most of the existing governments throughout the world, come to think of it.

 


Ken Burch
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Naturefreak wrote:

And if Israel were to disappear the region would be peaceful and productive, the politics transparent and beneficent?

If you don't WANT Israel to "disappear"(btw, with such a massive war machine, it's hardly likely to)the best thing you could do to prevent that, or to at least prevent the emergence of a unitary state in the place of the existing arrangements in Israel/Palestine, would be to speak out forcefully against what Israel does to Palestinians and to the internal Palestinian community who are currently Israeli citizens. 

If the Israeli government were ever to actually TRY being "a light unto the nations", it would probably be in a lot less trouble and its citizens would face much less anger from Palestinians over what that government does to them.  It wouldn't be all alone in the world, either.


But I sometimes wonder if Israel's political leaders WANT Israel to be isolated and despised...both to indulge their fantasies that the whole world not only dislikes what that government does but "hates the Jews" as well(which the whole world does NOT do, for the record), and because they fear that a world in which Israel WASN'T isolated would be a world in which the need for Zionism would be questionable, at best.


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IDF Soldiers Tear Gas Elementary School Anniversary of Yasser Arafat's Death

http://palestinesolidarityproject.org/

Soldiers tear gassed a girls elementary school in Beit Ommer this morning following a student demonstration commemorating the anniversary of Yasser Arafat's death. Three hundred students ages 7-15 marched from the Beit Ommer il Aisasiy a boys school, to the checkpoint at the entrance of the village, waving Palestinian flags and chanting against the occupation. Several gave speeches in memory of Yasser Arafat.

Soldiers responded by shooting teargas and sound bombs into Zaharet il madayim, a Palestinian girls elementary school and into the pre-school next door. Thirty girls ages 3 to 13 suffered tear gas inhalation. This morning marked the third time in the past two years that soldiers have shot tear gas into the school.."

Canada supports Israel in this as in all things


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Bibi makes complete sense now.  He's a dove compared to his father.

 

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Netanyahu often refers to his father as the person who inspired him the most. When he resigned from the government just before the disengagement from Gaza, Netanyahu mentioned his father as one of the reasons for his move (Prof. Netanyahu opposed the disengagement plan). “From you I’ve learned, father,” said Netanyahu that day.

 

...

Q: I suppose you don’t believe in the peace process.

A: “I don’t see any signs that the Arabs want peace… we will face fierce attacks from the Arabs, and we must react firmly. If we don’t, they will go on and Jews will start leaving the country… we just handed them a strong blow in Gaza, and they still bargain with us over one hostage… if we gave them a blow that would really hurt them, they would have given us Gilad Shalit back.”

Q: Operation “cast Lead” was one of the worst blows we handed on a civilian population.

A: “That’s not enough. It’s possible that we should have hit harder.”

Q: You don’t like the Arabs, to say the least.

A: “The bible finds no worse image than this of the man from the desert. And why? Because he has no respect for any law. Because in the desert he can do as he pleases.
The tendency towards conflict is in the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won’t allow him any compromise or agreement. It doesn’t matter what kind of resistance he will meet, what price he will pay. His existence is one of perpetuate war.”

Netanyahu’s father discusses the peace process

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The Obscure Ruination of a Single Human Life - by Chris Floyd

http://www.chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2051-the-obscure-ruina...

"...and for throwing this stone--a stone, a small, hand-sized fragment of stone--this is what happens to you..."


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Argentina and Brazil recognize Palestine as a state within 1967 borders

And it is said that Paraguay and Uruguay will follow - and then maybe Bolivia and Ecuador.

I wonder what is happening?

 


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Ken Burch wrote:

It would probably help if most of the local clerics of the three "Abrahamic faiths" disappeared, while we're on the subject

And it would help if the OTHER regimes in the region disappeared as well.

 

 

Not if the Zionist entity can help it.

 

 

Israel dreading a democratic Arab world

 

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The fall of Tunisia's regime headed by Zine El Abidine Ben Alican have serious repercussions, said Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom.

 

In an interview on Israeli radio Friday night, Shalom said that he comes from a family of Tunisian immigrants.

"I fear that we now stand before a new and very critical phase in the Arab world. If the current Tunisian regime collapses, it will not affect Israel's present national security in a significant way," he said. "But we can, however, assume that these developments would set a precedent that could be repeated in other countries, possibly affecting directly the stability of our system."


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Palestinians Going To Security Council Despite US Opposition

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=351506

"The Palestinians have turned down a US request to avoid seeking a UN Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlements in the occupied territories, the Chief PLO negotiator said Sunday. Saib Erekat told Ma'an that 'the Americans don't want anything to be submitted to the Security Council, but we insist that we consider the UNSC our path toward international legitimacy."

Guyana Recognizing Independent Palestinian state

http://www.imemc.org/article/60413

"According to Al Jazeera, Guyana became the seventh South American nation to recognize Palestinian independence. It follows in the footsteps of Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile. At a time when peace talks with Israel are at a standstill, Palestinians have been seeking international recognition of a state."


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Palestinian Authority Colluding with Blackwater

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=350456

"The arrival of Blackwater security personnel to Palestine represents the largest danger to the lives and sovereignty of Palestinians,' Barhoum said, adding that he believed it 'confirmed the existence of US-Israel security cooperation,' and would add to the 'violation of freedoms and human rights already carried out in the West Bank.."


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Peru Recognizes 'Free and Sovereign' Palestine

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=353975

"Brazil led the move to recognize Palestine late last year and has been joined by Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador and Guyana - Uruguay and Paraguay have stated publicly that recognition for a state will come in 2011.."

when Canada?


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Condoleezza Rice suggests sending all Palestinian refugees to...SOUTH AMERICA?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/24/condoleezza-rice-palestinian...


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Another war criminal 'guest of honour' at a Canadian University, a couple years ago,  whose visit neither CAUT nor CFS would condemn, despite being asked.


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This is What A Two-State Solution Looks Like

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2011/02/this-is-what-a-two-state...

"If you can swallow this sort of two-state arrangement, then come out of the closet and talk openly about it. If you can't then let's finally put Land for Peace out of its misery and work instead on a better one state solution than the apartheid one we have slouched into.."


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Ahmed Moor wrote:

The degree to which the country is a single, indivisible unit is sometimes underscored by the most mundane experiences. A Palestinian friend recently told me about being pulled over for speeding in the West Bank. The person who ticketed him was an Israeli army official.

Yes, Palestine has been colonized out of existence, and the Israeli army is busy policing traffic.

The army’s nearness to the average Palestinian extends beyond settlements. The region has few freshwater resources. In Israel, maintaining access to water is a matter of national security. The mountain aquifer underneath the West Bank’s rocky topography is one major source, and the army regularly destroys “unauthorized” wells and cisterns to secure Israeli hegemony over the scarce resource.

It was awareness that there will never be a viable Palestinian state that prompted me to work with other Harvard students to organize a one-state conference this weekend. Our work has been informed by the uncontroversial view that all people are created equal. Assessing an environment in which Israel controls the lives of 4 million people and deprives them of basic human rights, we ask whether there is an alternative: Can the one-state solution deliver equal rights to everyone?

Critics say that raising the question of equal rights in Israel/Palestine reveals our motives; we seek to destroy Israel, they say. They contend civil rights for everyone in the country will mean “the elimination of Israel as the national homeland of the Jewish people.”

For some, everything that happens in the Middle East is viewed through the prism of what is best for the Jewish people. But the Palestinians are people, too. Preserving “Israel as the national homeland of the Jewish people” is a costly endeavor. And I regret that the cost is borne almost exclusively by Palestinians living under apartheid.

- Washington Post


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