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German election results - started Sunday, May 6, 2012

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German state election leaves Merkel's party looking for new partners

Exit polls in Schleswig-Holstein show chancellor's ruling Christian Democrats will have to find new ruling allies in region

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/06/germany-state-elections-merk...

The demise of the centre-right government which has run the state since 2009 is significant not least because the federal coalition is made up of the same parties.

Voters' rejection of the alliance is seen as sending an important signal to the central government and will increase pressure on Merkel to end her collaboration with the FDP.

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Voter turnout was at its lowest level since the 1980s, reflecting widespread dissatisfaction with the state's soaring debt and high unemployment levels.

The poll, the runup to which was dominated by those issues, has been described as something of a dress rehearsal for an even more crucial election next Sunday in North Rhine Westphalia, Germany's most populous state and political bellwether.

While Merkel's position at the national level remains unchallenged and her personal popularity high due to her resolute stand over the eurozone crisis, results in Europe's two key elections in France and Greece on Sunday are likely to pose the tougher tests for the leader who has attracted much resentment outside of Germany, largely due to her strict adherence to unpopular austerity measures, and is looking increasingly isolated.

Nicholas Sarkozy's defeat in France means she has lost her main eurozone ally.

And if, as has been predicted, Greece elects a Eurosceptic parliament, she may be forced to considerably water down her stance on the fiscal pact.

 


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Who is Germany's Francois Hollande?


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At the moment, nobody.

And this result is a setback for the SPD.  They led in all the last pre-election polls in Schleswig-Holstein, yet still managed not only to lose but to make almost no gainst in the popular vote at all...finishing below 30% again.  How the hell could they blow what should have been an easy victory in that state?

The Pirate Party took over 8%...it's hard to see what the growth of that particular party will lead to, since they seem to pretty much be a party of eccentric twenty-something libertarian males.  Not sure who they'd fit in with...they wouldn't be uptight enough to suit the CDU and they'd probably be too sexist to fit in in a SPD-Green arrangement(to my knowledge, women pretty much don't vote Piraten...although I could be wrong about that).

Sadly, Die Linke fell below the 5% threshold, so there won't be a left alternative to the SPD in the state legislature for awhile. 

Seems to be, overall, a vote to keep the Schleswig-Holstein state government from doing much of anything at all.


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the centre-left parties could be poised to form a coalition government with the Danish-speaking SSW party, which secured 4.6 percent and will again have seats in the legislature.

Before polling, SSW leader Anke Spoorendonk said she would be in favor of joining the SDP and the Greens, saying she thought "a change of government will work."

According to a poll conducted by German public broadcaster ZDF, that coalition would have a narrow majority of 35 seats in the 69-seat legislature. But the Social Democrats' state leader Torsten Albig commented: "A one-seat majority is a one-seat majority."

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,15933087,00.html

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Meanwhile, the SPD is disappointed with its own result, having hoped for at least 40 percent of the votes.

"This is not what I promised you," said the SPD's top candidate Torsten Albig following the result announcement. However, he also said the party would "do everything" to enter into a coalition with the Greens and the SSW.

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,15933038,00.html

 


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How big of them.

Germany Signals It Will Permit Small Steps to Promote Growth in Europe

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/world/europe/europe-opting-for-growth-...


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NorthRhine-Westphalia:

Social Democrats (SPD) 39.1%, up 4.6% from 34.5%

Christian Democrats (CDU) 26.3%, down 8.3% from 34.6%

Greens 11.3%, down 0.8% from 12.1%

Free Democrats (FDP) 8.6%, up 1.9% from 6.7%

Pirates 7.8%, up 6.2% from 1.6%

The Left, 2.5%, down 3.1% from 5.6%

The Christian Democrats (CDU) earned the lowest result in their history in this election.
Kraft had argued the need for public savings but also focused on jobs, education and nursery places, while Roettgen took aim at the SPD contender for clocking up public debt.

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The Stuttgarter Zeitung newspaper said Kraft had won over people with her social policy.

"That she further increased the deficit despite growing revenues, people did not hold against her, quite the opposite,

"Obviously, the message from Duesseldorf to Berlin, is that the citizens are tired of the drive for consolidation," it said.

Merkel reeling as voters take revenge for hardline policies

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The rejection of her austerity economics at home will strengthen Mr Hollande's demand that the fiscal pact reached by all EU states, with the exception of Britain and the Czech Republic, should be redrafted.

The Berlin meeting, taking place just hours after the Paris inauguration of France's first Socialist president for two decades, will be tense as Mr Hollande demands a rethink of policies closely associated with Ms Merkel and Germany.

Benoit Hamon, the French Socialist Party spokesman, yesterday directly challenged Ms Merkel's authority to lead the eurozone.

"We didn't vote for an EU president called Mrs Merkel, who makes sovereign decisions for the rest of us," he said. "We want to renegotiate this pact. Austerity led Greece into failure."


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Congratulations  to the SPD for the North Rhine-Westphalia result, but they should consider themselbes forewarned:

If their counterparts in the federal wing of the party do what the pundits want and become the junior partner(after the next election or before)in a "grand coalition" with the CDU-CSU, you will see a dramatic revival in support for Die Linke.  Joining a federal grand coalition would mean that the SPD had forever abandoned any and all of its policies and was now in full and permanent agreement with the CDU on everything.  It would never be possible for them to run to the left of the CDU in any future election.

The voters would never forgive them for that choice.

(edited to clarify that I was referring to the federal SPD, ont the North Rhine-Westphalian wing that won Sunday's election.


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The SPD's position in the German parliament has been reinforced.

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. . . outside Germany the remedy of tight belts is already openly contested, for instance in Italy, by its technocratic 'fix-it' prime minister, Mario Monti.

Monti said: "We must not neglect that structural reforms per se will never deliver growth, because if a country becomes more productive and competitive but there is no demand for its products domestically or around it, growth will not materialise."

Monti made that opinion clear even before France elected a new, Socialist, president, François Hollande, who wants to go about reviving Europe economically in a way that is different from Merkel.

Holland justified himself: "I have said so many things in favour of budgetary responsibility that no one can say that I am questioning the need to control debt. But I also say that it must be based on growth."


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Who are the 20 new Pirate MLAs?

Ages: 54, 29, 40, 31, 44, 36, 39, 48, 42, 45, 40, 54, 50, 42, 33, 33, 52, 51, 34, 45: average 42.1. Not the youth movement I expected. Three women, 17 men!

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 (other that the internet) . . . organizing a demonstration against the austerity package, or to distribute royalty-free children's song books . . . I want to preserve democracy and fundamental rights. The tensions in our society, we must solve together. We must not allow these tensions be curbed only with the help of state surveillance and repression.

But that's only a couple of them. One is a police officer whose priority is safety laws. Most of them don't seem to have any coherent objectives.

 


Ken Burch
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I think that they basically appeal to the voters who want an "anti-political" party to vote for, to give the other parties a temporary bloody nose without actually taking the risk ot giving support to a real alternative.

The Piraten will probably flourish for two or three more years, then people will get bored with them.


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Wilf Day wrote:

Who are the 20 new Pirate MLAs?

Ages: 54, 29, 40, 31, 44, 36, 39, 48, 42, 45, 40, 54, 50, 42, 33, 33, 52, 51, 34, 45: average 42.1. Not the youth movement I expected. Three women, 17 men!

 

I could count ony 2 ties. Though one was orange, so I guess it doesn't count.

 


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Whoops sorry

 


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