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Rev Pesky

Anyone who believes Trump has studied anything 'in depth' has a serious problem. Trump doesn't study. I wonder sometimes whether he can read.

Mobo2000

Rev Pesky:   RE post 192 + 197

I took the "Trump true believers" characterization as a cheap shot.   But perhaps it wasn't directed at babblers or I was just being cranky.  

I take it as obvious that people who discount the Trump/Russia narrative can do so independent of their opinion of Trump or his administration.  

I will formally revert my opinion of you back to a babbler who typically resists cheap shots and is capable of nuance.

NDPP

More Misleading Russia-Gate Propaganda  -  by Robert Parry

https://www.newcoldwar.org/misleading-russia-gate-propaganda/

"The US mainstream media is touting a big break in Russia-gate emails showing an effort by Donald Trump's associates to construct a building in Moscow. But the evidence actually undercuts the 'scandal' reports Robert Parry..."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

More Misleading Russia-Gate Propaganda  -  by Robert Parry

https://www.newcoldwar.org/misleading-russia-gate-propaganda/

"The US mainstream media is touting a big break in Russia-gate emails showing an effort by Donald Trump's associates to construct a building in Moscow. But the evidence actually undercuts the 'scandal' reports Robert Parry..."

Trump said he had no business interests in Russia. 

josh

Mueller investigating Trump's effort to coverup the purpose of his son's June 2016 meeting with Russian representatives.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-team-asking-if-trump-tried-...

bekayne

josh wrote:

Mueller investigating Trump's effort to coverup the purpose of his son's June 2016 meeting with Russian representatives.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-team-asking-if-trump-tried-...

Funny how Trump and his team spend so much time and effort covering up something nonexistant.

NDPP

"Literary frauds like Mensch are created by audiences who want to believe their hoaxes, ie Russiagate conspiracies."

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/902286553770332163

josh

Special prosecutor Robert Mueller has teamed up with New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman on a probe into former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort’s finances, Politico reported Wednesday night, citing several unnamed people familiar with the matter.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mueller-new-york-ag-manafort-probe?utm_content=buffer69d62&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

NDPP

Manafort And The Big Nothingburger

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/05/manafort-and-the-big-nothingburger/

"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, based on a nothingburger."

josh

Some of the Trump campaign’s most prominent names and supporters, including Trump’s campaign manager, digital director, and son, pushed tweets from professional trolls paid by the Russian government in the heat of the 2016 election campaign.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-campaign-staffers-pushed-russian-propaganda-days-before-the-election

Sean in Ottawa

What is surpirsing is that there is no mention of opportunities for tidal since California is by tide water. There are possibilities of using tides to load enrgy that can be released on demand.

Working with many surces of power in a large grid it is possible that states that burn fossil fuels all the time may only have to do so at certain times and this is already a benefit. When it comes to energy it is possible to look for benefits and improvements rather than just criticize basic realities.

NDPP

Puppy Memes & Pokemon: How Russiagate Went Off The Rails (podcast)

https://t.co/VsHWqL6tPA

"Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal discuss how the narrative of Russian 'hacking' of US politics has gone off the deep end..."

 

josh
josh

Manafort, Trump's former campaigan manager, told to surrender himself to federal authorities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html?mtrref=twitter.com&gwh=163B17D6BEDE24D5357CEA5964269571&gwt=pay

josh

Manafort and Gates indicted for money laundering and conspiracy against the United States.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download

Fox?

Mobo2000

Let the games begin!

josh

ABC News‏Verified account @ABC 13m13 minutes ago

Former Trump campaign advisor George Papadopolous has pleaded guilty to making false statements to FBI agents.

NorthReport

FWIW Trump cannot pardon for state offences 

I presume these indictments all relate to federal offences

josh

Defendant PAPADOPOULOS claimed that his interactions with an overseas professor, who defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood to have substantial connections to Russian government officials, occurred before defendant PAP ADO POULOS became a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign. Defendant PAPADOPOULOS acknowledged that the professor had told him about the Russians possessing "dirt" on then-candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails," but stated multiple times that he learned that information prior to joining the Campaign. In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS learned he would be an advisor to the Campaign in early March, and met the professor on or about March 14, 2016; the professor only took interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS because of his status with the Campaign; and the professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails" on or about April 26, 2016, when defendant PAPADOPOULOS had been a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign for over a month.

NorthReport
NorthReport

So when will Trump fire Mueller today or tomorrow?

josh

Mark Murray‏Verified account @mmurraypolitics 21m21 minutes ago

Papadopoulos was told of "dirt" on Hillary's emails: April 26, 2016

John Podesta's emails were accessed in phishing scam: March 19, 2016

NorthReport

Now begins the crisis stage of the Trump presidency

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2017/10/30/now-begins-th...

NorthReport

Trump’s meltdown in anticipation of indictments is telling

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/10/30/trumps-mel...

NorthReport
josh

NorthReport wrote:

Trump’s meltdown in anticipation of indictments is telling

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/10/30/trumps-mel...

 

DO SOMETHING!  i.e., they're coming to get me.  Help!

josh

The Russians really did hack into John Podesta’s and the DNC’s email accounts and found and released emails that damaged Clinton. They really did conduct social media operations designed help Trump. Both their targets and their timing were extremely sophisticated for a foreign government that has traditionally shown itself to have a poor understanding of American politics. After winning the White House, Trump attacked the CIA and fired the director of the FBI in an effort to discredit or end their investigations into Russia’s role in the election.

We do not yet have hard evidence of actual collusion between the Trump operation and Russia. But given what we do know, it would truly be remarkable if all this happened and yet the two sides never explicitly worked together.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/30/16571114/trump-russia-mueller-indictments-manafort-gates-papadopolous

NorthReport
NorthReport
SeekingAPolitic...

CNN talking heading says Papadopoulos was wearing a wire for months.  How important was this Papadopoulos fellow was he recording trump inner circle or was he just some flunky with no access to inner circle.

josh

Guess we'll find out.

Meanwhile that nothingburger is beginning to taste mighty good.

SeekingAPolitic...

Papadopoulos was a small bit player, but its seems he working for Manafort.  I think manafort will flip some of charges are going to fail but the financial stuff like money  laudering and not being a regisrted lobbyist for Urkaine.  That should be easeir to prove, you got money and you did not report to the tax man.  Manafort has been living a life of luxury he will not do well in the big house.  At this point he hoping for a pardon to save his butt.  This could last for years.

NorthReport

 

Papadopoulos who pleaded guilty may well have been wearing a wire for an extended period.

Ex-Trump campaign adviser pleads guilty to making false statement

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/paul-manafort-russia-investigatio...

SeekingAPolitic...

josh wrote:

Guess we'll find out.

Meanwhile that nothingburger is beginning to taste mighty good.

The is speculation with the wire talk head, but it getting more interesting. 

NorthReport

This has to be Trump's worst possible day in office, and this is just the very beginning. 

NorthReport

Ex-Trump campaign adviser pleads guilty to making false statement

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/white-house-minimizes-ties-rick-g...

NorthReport
SeekingAPolitic...

I still think this collusion stuff will not touch Trump.  But Trump drew the line in the sand, he made it clear that if muller goes after finincial records and activites he will act.  Who knows about what Trump did in the financial realm, this the real danger for trump.

Sean in Ottawa

So if Trump pardons someone to keep their trap shut about himself. That is obstruction. No?

NorthReport

It could be, yes!

NorthReport

The not-so-hidden message in Mueller's court filings

The special prosecutor's indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates — and the plea deal struck with low-level adviser George Papadopoulos — suggest a road map for additional charges still to come.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/mueller-congress-republicans-t...

josh

Presidential pardons only cover federal law.  The individual would still be at risk of prosecution for violation of state law.

NorthReport
NorthReport

‘Why Was Paul Manafort Involved in This Campaign?’

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-toobin-why-was-paul-manafort-involved-i...

NorthReport
NorthReport
NorthReport
NorthReport

Robert Mueller Is Just Getting Started

Legal experts said Monday's revelations show the special counsel is “maximizing the clout” of the Russia investigation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/robert-mueller-indi...

NDPP

Is Russiagate Dead? Paul Manafort and Kiev Caught Up In FBI Dragnet; Kremlin Not Mentioned

https://on.rt.com/8r0b

"Russiagate - an elaborate work of bad fiction built on the shifting sand of fake news - claimed what may be its first political victims. And the punchline is that Ukraine - not Russia - is the focal point of the indictment..."

 

"Paul Manafort's alleged money-laundering scheme was first laid out in a report we published in February..."

https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/925036424600178688

 

"Let these indictments be a lesson to all Americans. Don't ever, EVER, talk to the FBI. They'll use it against you and you end up in prison."

https://twitter.com/JohnKiriakou/status/925037352199782400

bekayne

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