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Greek Stocks Fall Amid S&P Warning on Eurozone Exit

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/05/244779/greek-stocks-fall-amid-sp-wa...

Jacob Richter

[url=http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/04/3643892/final-poll-before-new-greek... poll before new Greek vote foresees a left-wing victory[/url]

Time to popularize what has been done in Iceland, Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador.

 

josh

NDPP wrote:

Greek Stocks Fall Amid S&P Warning on Eurozone Exit

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/05/244779/greek-stocks-fall-amid-sp-wa...

Look for continued "dire warnings" by the powers that be as they go all out to prevent a Syriza victory.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Talk about ways to fix an electoral scheme to provide phoney majorities.  A 50 seat bonus for the party with the most seats,  fascinating feature.  Does anyone know if any other country has this kind of winner's bonus?

 

josh

I think Germany has some sort of version of it.

Caissa

The spokesman for Greece's extremist far-right Golden Dawn party caused an uproar after he physically assaulted two left-wing deputies on live television during a morning political show. A public prosecutor ordered his immediate arrest.

Tempers frayed Thursday on the political show on the private Antenna television station during a discussion of the country's politics in the run-up to repeat elections June 17. Golden Dawn spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris took offence at a reference by radical left Syriza party member Rena Dorou over a court case that is pending against him.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/07/greece-far-right-tv-slap-c...

NDPP

Greece Gets 'Corzined': Simple Arithmetic Sets In (and vid)

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-06-06/greece-gets-corzined-its...

" As European leaders grapple with how to preserve their monetary union, Greece is rapidly running out of money. Officials scrambling for solutions, have considered dipping into funds that are supposed to be for Greece's troubled banks. Prolonged austerity is making it harder, not easier, for governments like Greece to become self-reliant again. Go figure!"

NDPP

Global Banking Crisis & European Bank Holiday (and vid)

http://presstv.com/Program/245330.html

"Max Keiser interviews Warren Pollock from wepollock.com about the global banking crisis and the systemic fraud in the international banking system.."

NDPP

The Nightmare Gathers Force  - by Arthur Silber

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.it/2012/06/nightmare-gathers-force.html

"In writing about the ongoing crisis facing Greece (and Europe generally), commentators often advance the notion that what is occuring in Greece in particular provides a preview of what will happen in the US if we continue on our current path. Conservative and neoliberal writers (but I repeat myself) proclaim that this necessitates becoming more brutal in their dedication to 'austerity': that is, the ruling class must be exravagantly ruthless, without surcease, in depriving those who are without power, wealth and privilege of every means of sustaining their lives.."

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Any Quebec Babblers seeing parallels between the financial community's tactics in Greece right before THIS election and the stunts the Anglo corporate elite pulled before the 1970 Quebec election?

NDPP

As Greek Banks Run Out of Safe Deposit Boxes, an Eerie Calm Takes Over Country

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-banks-run-out-safe-deposit-boxes-eer...

"..Stavropoulos and her friends have a new strategy to deal with their daily expenses. 'We charge everything to our credit cards,' she says. If the Greek banks fail, they won't be able to collect...if they want to mess me around, I will do the same to them.."

 

Austerity Kills: How the Euro Crisis is Being Used to Break the Social Contract (and vid)

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/06/austerity-kills-how-the-eurocrisi...

"In a RealNews Network interview, Rob Johnson of the Roosevelt Institute describes further how the Eurocrisis has become a tool to break the social contract."

 

The Political Issues in the Greek Election

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/gree-j16.shtml

"...Whoever wins the election, the working class will be forced to repay the 200 billion-plus bailout through the austerity measures attached to the Memorandum signed with the troika - the EU, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund. This will inevitably be followed by calls for additional sacrifice, whether or not Greece is allowed to remain in the eurozone.

Greece is the victim of a social counterrevolution that is being implemented by the ruling elite and which they intend to roll out across Europe. Cuts totaling hundreds upon hundreds of billions of euros have already been made across the continent. In Greece, the ruling class is testing out just how far it can go.."

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

BTW, I've started a prediction thread on the Greek election results and the post-election situation here

http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/greek-election-a...

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Anybody know of an independent Greek news source for the election results tomorrow?

NDPP

I don't know about 'independent' but for the numbers I'll be going here:

http://www.ekathimerini.com

http://www.athensnews.gr/content/55344

NDPP

Fear and Loathing in Athens (and vid)

http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/story/fear-and-loathing-athens/11283

"Greetings from Greece, land of privatizations, fascist paramilitaries and immigrant roundups. Also the land of some of the most inspiring and brave people I've met during the END:CIV tour. The situation in Greece is complex..."

NDPP

Why Don't the Communists Just Link Forces with the Radical Left Coalition?

http://rebelyouth-magazine.blogspot.ca/2012/06/why-dont-communists-just-...

"The present assessment of the Communist Party of Greece (which was posted here today) deserves some introduction for our readers in Canada..."

love is free love is free's picture

looks like new democracy has won it, a real shame, hopefully they can do something to ease the pain of the greek people, but my guess is that it just continues to worsen for a while, and then some iteration of syriza eventually comes to power, with a far more constrained field of activitiy and possibility, after all the privitizations and that. http://www.skai.gr/ekloges2012

Bärlüer

The Guardian has this caveat: " A caveat however - results are more likely skewed to the right because rural areas go first. Athens is likely to push this again towards the left."

Bärlüer

Again from the Guardian: New Democracy could form a coalition government with PASOK given the current results, but PASOK apparently refuses to form a government without SYRIZA in it.

KenS

Syriza is 2% behind with 18% counted. I've seen no one say how likely given the rural/urban thing that they can make that up. But it would require them going from 27% to at least 30% in the rest of the votes.... less if ND were to drop from 29.5 to 28% for the rest, which is quite conceivable, even if Syriza is not the main beneficiary of an ND drop.

Fidel

Let's hope it's not a repeat of 1967.

KenS

Getting worse. 40% of votes in and Syriza now 4.5% behind.

PASOK says it will not join government without Syriza. But that does not mean they will refrain from unseating an ND minority government. Not stable, and tacitly meaning the givernment has to appease Syriza a bit, but nothing to write home about. Have not seen any commentary that delves into this route that could be followed.

I dont think Greece is even close to ripe for a coup. The Right and capitalists so far dont need that to get as much as they would get out of a coup... without all the mess.

NDPP

It's not my position I just posted the article. Nor do  think elections are necessarily determinative or final in such things.

Fidel

Banksters and their political stooges had no choice but to keep rolling the election dice in order to achieve a satisfactory result. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Fair enough, NDPP.

Still, given the ferocity of the Greek military and police, wouldn't a street revolution be kind of a longshot?
This isn't Russia in 1917...we can assume that the Greek army will never desert the forces of reaction(as the Tsar's troops did in '17).

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NDPP wrote:

Why Don't the Communists Just Link Forces with the Radical Left Coalition?

http://rebelyouth-magazine.blogspot.ca/2012/06/why-dont-communists-just-...

"The present assessment of the Communist Party of Greece (which was posted here today) deserves some introduction for our readers in Canada..."

Still think they had the right idea, given that their insistence on splitting the left has given the pro-austerity party a victory it otherwise wouldn't have had?

The KKE vote collapsed tonight, NDPP.  How can they still present themselves as a revolutionary alternative if their vote total went down?

Greece needed a Popular Front...now what will they do?

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Something odd I noticed going through the "Athens News" election results link.

In most of the multimember constituencies that SYRIZA is carrying in the popular vote, it isn't as yet leading in the seat count.

IN "Piraeus B", for example, SYRIZA at this point is taking over 36%, to only 18% for the ND's, yet SYRIZA and ND have both won 2 seats there at this point.

 

Does that strike anybody else as suspicious, or does it just take awhile for the results in multimember constituencies like this for the seat count to actually reflect anything close to the popular result?

Fidel

Ken Burch wrote:

Fair enough, NDPP.

Still, given the ferocity of the Greek military and police, wouldn't a street revolution be kind of a longshot?
This isn't Russia in 1917...we can assume that the Greek army will never desert the forces of reaction(as the Tsar's troops did in '17).

I'm not so sure after reading this article from February. And in Michael Moore's documentary about capitalism, in the segment on bailouts for banksters, the the cops in Manhattan stoody idly by and encouraged Moore who proceeded to wrap a Wall Street bank in police tape to indicate scene of a crime. Apparently police pension funds suffered significant losses in the casino economy.

I think the crooked politicians know that the majority of police have limits as to how far they will go to insulate the ruling clique from street level democracy. Greek and American protesters have received more than a few winks from cops and soldiers since 2008. At some point they will realize that the Tsars and Kaisers of today are megalomaniacal dictators bought and paid-for by a handful few oligarchs who know one ever votes for.

love is free love is free's picture

well, this result represents the success of a worldwide media campaign against the greek left.  the winners tonight: all the usual domestic right-wing factions, the european technocracy, bankers, and anyone else involved in sucking wealth out of the greek people.

on the plus side, the market's pleasure with this result boosts obama's re-election campaign agaignst romney, as we shouldn't see any major shocks coming out of europe, always negative for incumbents presidents.

Fidel

Count Wall Street bankers among the winners. They are covering bets that government is strong enough to force Greeks into a generation of unemployment and economic depression in order  that banks both sides of the ocean make more money. Obama is blaming the EU and Republicans lately for the Liberal Democrats failed economic strategy.

takeitslowly

maybe the election is rigged

Wilf Day

CBC:

Quote:
The head of Greece's socialist PASOK party proposed that a unity government be formed of four top parties, including Syriza despite its anti-bailout views. PASOK's Evangelos Venizelos, who spent months negotiating bailouts as Greece's finance minister, suggested dumping the usual procedure of each party seeking coalition partners. He said a government must be formed quickly and suggested one between New Democracy, Syriza, PASOK and the small Democratic Left.

 

Wilf Day

With 99.83% reporting:

ND 129

Syriza 71

PASOK 33

Independent Greeks 20

Golden Dawn 18

Democratic Left 17

KKE 12

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

PASOK needs to do the decent thing and disband.  It's their fault that the ND's are in contention to create a pro-misery coalition.

 

josh

The majority of the vote went to anti-austerity parties. The 50 seat bonus to the first place finisher made the difference.

PASOK has too much on its agenda to disband. Primarily, screwing Greek workers while still calling itself "Socialist."

NDPP

Greece: What Can Be Done?  - by James Petras

http://www.countercurrents.org/petras180612.htm

"No capitalist or politician of the old order provides any redeeming argument. In the past they plundered the economy; in the present they extract and transfer wealth abroad. And for the future they can only promise more of the same. To effect a transition requires that we first face the negative legacy of the past in order to see what proposals are viable and necessary..."

NDPP

Athens Workers and Youth Discuss Greek Elections Result

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/gree-j19.shtml

"...A young and unemployed man also told us impassionedly, 'If the cuts will continue - and they will drink our blood - the people won't fear anything anymore."

NDPP

TNN: What Did the Greek Elections Decide? (and vid)

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

"Costas Lapavitsas: Elections were a moral victory for Syriza as votes held up under ferocious pressure; the new pro-bailout government will not be able to service its debt as austerity measures deepen, and eventually Greece will leave the Eurozone.."

The Greek Election as a Manifestation of Europe's Hobbesian Moment

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2012/06/19/the-greek-election-as-a-manifestati...

"...The Greek people voted in favour of a simple proposition: Bow to a loan agreement that is commonly known to be unsustainable but which Europe insists upon. Why? To buy time in the hope that the rest of Europe, will, in the meantime, find some workable solution within which Greece may have a future...

The end result is a postmodern variant of Thomas Hobbes' state of nature which guarantees that the euro's life will prove nasty, brutish and short."

NDPP

Greek Conservative Leader Samaras Sworn in as new Premier

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/20/247117/greece-forms-new-government

"The leader of Greece's conservative New Democracy party - Antonis Samaras has been sworn in as the debt-ridden country's new prime minister. Evangelos Venizelos added that the details of the three-party coalition government backed by the pro-euro PASOK, conservative New Democracy and the small radical Democratic Left party will be finalized later on Wednesday. All the three parties have expressed support for Greece's commitments to international bailout creditors.."

Caissa

This is taking austerity to extremes. Wink

BBC wrote:

Greece's new Finance Minister Vassilis Rapanos has been rushed to hospital, reportedly after fainting.

Mr Rapanos, who is chairman of Greece's national bank, was due to be sworn in to the new post in the debt-laden country later on Friday.

The news follows an announcement earlier in the day that Prime Minister Antonis Samaras needs an emergency eye operation.

He has been forced to cancel his first parliamentary meeting as a result.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554590

Manic Wombat Manic Wombat's picture

Catastroika wrote:

CATASTROIKA: The destruction of the nation state 

 

How bankers and politicians take down nations one after the other and buy up their resources with fraudulent debt derivatives.

NDPP

From Crisis to Resistance in Greece

http://socialistworker.org/2012/07/05/crisis-to-resistance-in-greece

"Antonis Davanellos, a member of International Workers Left, known by its Greek initials DEA, one of the founding organizations for form the SYRIZA coalition, talked about the state of the crisis in Greece, the developing resistance and what lies ahead..."

NDPP

Seeds of Hatred Sprout in Soil of Greek Crisis (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/hatred-migrants-greece-attacks-874/

"Gangs are attacking immigrants all over Greece - a fact ignored by authorities, says Human Rights Watch. Some are allegedly linked to the far-right Golden Dawn party. Migrants are blamed for crimes and for eating into shrinking government subsidies. Yanis Varoufakis, an economist and lecturer at Athens University, says that 'the serpent's egg of hatred begins to hatch whenever people lose hope and those spreading the hatred end up as the only winners. It should act as a warning for all of us that whenever a social economy implodes, as opposed to just going into a recession, scape-goating becomes the order of the day..."

josh
Jacob Richter

[url=http://socialistresistance.org/3863/syriza-reality-is-forcing-us-to-forg... [becoming a party] – reality is forcing us to forget the old ways of working[/url] (ceasing to be an electoral coalition)

[url=http://www.opendemocracy.net/hilary-wainwright/greece-syriza-shines-ligh... Syriza shines a light[/url] (social support)

Fidel

NDPP wrote:

From Crisis to Resistance in Greece

http://socialistworker.org/2012/07/05/crisis-to-resistance-in-greece

At many of the assemblies held by SYRIZA, doctors and nurses appeared with tears in their eyes, saying that we must do something--because we are very near the moment when these doctors and nurses will have to stand there in the hospitals and say to people that they must not come to the hospitals, even if they are sick, because you would be in danger of dying from lack of medicines and resources.

One very, very important story in Greece is about missing medicines. Greece is a country that produced pharmaceuticals based on the latest technologies--very expensive medicines. But the capitalists preferred to export all this, and now there is nothing left.

We've all been lied to and constantly since WW II. We were promised middle class capitalism based on consumerism. The greatest weapon of the cold war era, as it turns out, was a parade of filthy lies concerning a way of life that will be unsustainable for the other 80-85% of humanity. And I think the rest of the world is beginning to realize they've been lied to. The promise of capitalism is a monumental lie.

NDPP

A Second Greek Man on 'The Lagarde List' Has Been Found Dead

http://www.businessinsider.com/greek-men-on-lagarde-list-found-dead-2012-10

"The so-called 'Lagarde List' - the name given by the Greek press to a list containing 1,991 names of wealthy, Swiss bank-account-possessing Greeks who are being investigated for corruption and tax evasion - is causing a major stir in Greece right now. Since Friday, two men on the list have turned up dead in apparent suicides...."

Doug

This is really sad. Apparently in Greece you now lose health insurance after being unemployed for a year, which must now be very common. Some doctors are trying to help uninsured patients in their spare time, but for conditions like cancer it's clearly and painfully not enough.

 

As the head of Greece's largest oncology department, Dr Kostas Syrigos thought he had seen everything. But nothing prepared him for Elena, an unemployed woman whose breast cancer had been diagnosed a year before she came to him.

By that time, her cancer had grown to the size of an orange and broken through the skin, leaving a wound that she was draining with paper napkins.

 

NDPP

Love or Nothing: The Real Greek Parallel WIth Weimar  - by Paul Mason

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20105881

"...We came here expecting riots. Instead we find ourselves looking at what happens when riots die away and horrified inertia sets in.."

NDPP

General Strike in Greece

http://www.countercurrents.org/cc0611121A.htm

"Greek workers begin a 48-hour strike on November 6, 2012 to protest against a new round of austerity cuts that unions say will devastate the poor. 'They should go to hell and beyond,' said Arais Metaxopoulou, a 65 year old pensioner, expressing the anger many Greeks feel toward their political class. 'They should ask me how I feel when I have to go to church to beg for food. I wouldn't hurt a fly but I would happily behead one of them."

 

Chaos in Athens: Greece in for New Round of Austerity as Protests Rage (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/greece-austerity-bill-protests-144/

"At least 100,00 protesters are estimated to be gathered in front of the Parliament buildings."

 

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