Hamas to PA: End Negotiations Now and Forever
October 25, 2010 - 2:09pm
Hamas to PA: End Negotiations Now and Forever
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=327518
"Hamas demanded on Monday that the Palestinian Authority cease negotiations with Israel.
'The PA should stop negotiations now and forever. Israel does what it wants without a thought to Palestinian rights,' Hamas spokesman Fauzi Barhoum said in a statement. 'What is needed from the PA is a declaration of their withdrawal from negotiations and encouragement of resistance which is the only means through which Palestinians will regain their rights.."
Perhaps I am naive, but all settlements are ultimately negotiated.
It's just a question of how much blood parties are willing to spill before they come to the table in earnest.
Perhaps I am naive, but all settlements are ultimately negotiated.
It's just a question of how much blood parties are willing to spill before they come to the table in earnest.
That may be true in a relatively equal military conflict but negotiations at the point of a gun are not negotiations. Israel is not negotiating it is demanding everything of substance be theirs by right. Israeli has shown it is very willing to spill Palestinian blood and they have the actual weapons to engage in mass murder.
@ kropotkin1951
Now how did I miss that? Carry on then.
I think the point is that Israel has to start negotiations with offers that show they are willing to negotiate a fair settlement. Until then it is just window dressing.
@ Pogo
Yes, I know, and I am aware about the power imbalance, and the very hard spot they are in.
And I also know that all political organizations stretch the hard truth a bit with rhetoric. Even so, I think that absolutist statements like "now and forever" are pushing those theatrics a bit far.
I wonder if the statement was written in English. Maybe it is just a poor translation of something that meant "until there is real change".
@ Pogo
That had crossed my mind too, actually. It is an odd way to phrase it, even though I know it is a serious message.
The mother of all poor translations.
hey they did it with the "wipe israel off the map" mistranslation...and they're still repeating that!
Go find the original source and see if there are any alternative translations.
Until you do that you can't leap to any assumption that it is wrong.
I personally didn't know that it is heretic for Hamas (or any other entity or individual) to call upon the PA to withdraw now and forever from negotiations historically marred by bad faith on the part of the mruderous state of Israel. Or is it "anti-semitic"?
Yes, Fawzi Barhoom, spolesperson for Hamas said exactly that. So what ?
حماس تدعو السلطة الفلسطينية للإنسحاب من المفاوضات
وكالة الأنباء القطرية
GMT 17:16:00 2010 الإثنين 25 أكتوبردعت حركة حماس السلطة الفلسطينية إلى انسحاب فوري من المفاوضات مع إسرائيل.
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غزة: دعا فوزي برهوم المتحدث باسم حركة حماس اليوم السلطة الفلسطينية إلى إعلان انسحابها فورًا من المفاوضات مع الجانب الإسرائيلي.
ووصفت حركة حماس القانون الإسرائيلي الجديد الداعي لتكثيف الاستيطان والتواجد اليهودي في القدس بأنه خطر وشرعنة واضحة للتهويد وإقرار بالتعدي على حقوق الشعب الفلسطيني.
وقال برهوم إن القرار يؤكد "أنه لا مبرر للسلطة الفلسطينية باستمرار التردد في إعلان انسحابها الفوري من المفاوضات مع الاحتلال وإعلان انتهائها بلا رجعة وإلى الأبد، وأنه لا مبرر لحالة الصمت العربي وغياب المواقف الرادعة للاحتلال، وغياب العدالة الدولية".
ودعا برهوم كل أبناء الشعب الفلسطيني وأهالي القدس إلى استمرار التصدي لهذا العدوان وفضحه وإفشال مخططاته.
The Hamas statement is completely logical and on point given that the present 'negotiations' are a complete sellout of legitimate Palestinian rights and aspirations being conducted by USRAEL and their puppet Mahmoud Abbas.
Yes, Fawzi Barhoom, spolesperson for Hamas said exactly that. So what ?
Thanks for clearing up the accuracy of that translation.
As far as I am concerned he has every right to use those words and I don't think anyone has any reason to take them as an insult.
As I said, I just think it is just an odd word to use. Certainly some people will take it seriously, but I am sure there are plenty who will not. As slogans go, it's up there with "winning the war on terror".
Nothing lasts forever, and that goes double for politics, dipomacy and war.
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"The way Palestinians see things, the fragmentation of the body politic - externally engineered, and increasingly internally driven - has now been achieved. This summer even the liberal Israeli press began to notice that the key people in Ramallah, the Palestinian Authority's capital in the West Bank, no longer discuss strategies of liberation but rather the huge business deals...There is no plan."
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http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=16357
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Earlier my voice was heard. If 'peace' silences me than I don't want it."
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Netanyahu and Lieberman also want to "end negotiations, now and forever."
Maybe in 2047, they'll restart serious negotiations in time to commemorate Israel's 100th birthday? Who knows what the facts on the ground will look like by then.
At least by then they won't have Abu Mazen to kick around anymore.
Nothing lasts forever, and that goes double for politics, dipomacy and war.
Actions like this in my experience are attempts to delegitimize people's voices and opinions. IMV it is just another way to support Israel by promoting further negative optics of Hamas by portraying them as being over the top emotional wise, or much like children.
Judging another cultures/peoples words as "odd", is what is really 'odd'. Thinking that one has a right to do so is even odder.
Even so, I think that absolutist statements like "now and forever" are pushing those theatrics a bit far.
How do you feel about "never again"?
Or maybe Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Iran sung to a Beach Boys tune? If only we held the same standards for all political leaders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg&feature=related
@ JKR #17
And of course they won't be around to do the kicking. That is, in part, my meaning.
@ remind # 18
Oh nonsense.
I see no reason to hold back from calling overblown rhetoric for what it is no matter who says it - friend or foe. It does nothing but get in the way, fool people who take those words seriously, and discredit the speaker in the eyes of people who see it for what it is.
But if they think their "Now and Forever" will have more staying power than "Never Surrender", "Forever vigilant", "The sun never sets..." or even the more modest "Thousand-year Empire" , more power to them.
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@ M. Spector
Cross posted with you.
Stirring words of course. Not so realistic.
Actually it is not nonsense Smith, it is the truth, your white male western centric opinion and back hand support of Israel, are obvious for what they are.
Actually it is not nonsense Smith, it is the truth, your white male western centric opinion and back hand support of Israel, are obvious for what they are.
You forgot property-owner and mouse-killer
I prefer to compare it to friends not letting friends drive drunk. But in fact my support or condemnation of any group is qualified, not "now and forever". And I don't know about you, but for me, blind support without honesty doesn't mean much.
But I think you're giving my words far more weight than they merit. To be clear, I am not saying that I support Hamas in everything they do, but I recognize that they are a valid political force supported by some Palestinians. It's not going to be an outsider like me, but the electorate there which will pass judgment on their declaration.
That said, if anyone here actually thinks a declaration to shut down dialogue "now and forever" is advisable or even realistic, feel free.
Seeing how the PA and Hamas are enemies 80+% of the time does anybody here see the PA as taking Hamas's demands seriously?
I don't...
"Shut down dialogue" is your judgement from those words of another culture, again I will say it is privileged centric thinking.
How do you know it does not mean to the people they are addressing; "PA needs to put up, or shut up", or indeed just stating to Palestinians that the PA needs to be gone from the equation in their thinking?
anyway am done trying to indicate to you, as any friend would to a drunk driver, that such a position you are holding is supremist in nature, at best.
if anyone here actually thinks a declaration to shut down dialogue "now and forever" is advisable or even realistic, feel free.
when it is such an ill-intentioned, illegitimate process staged to advance Israel's 'final solution' to Palestinian rights - highly realistic and most advisable.
Seeing how the PA and Hamas are enemies 80+% of the time does anybody here see the PA as taking Hamas's demands seriously?
No, the PA probably takes Hamas no more seriously than the Milice took seriously the antics of Jean Moulin.
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