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josh

A good scolding won’t do it.  Retailing if the U.S. sanctions firms doing business with Iran will.

WWWTT

The Israel air strikes on Iranian targets in Syria is all over China news. There’s fear that these actions are going to impact oil exports from Iran to China. 

This feeds into my suspicions that Israel may have a long overdue old fashioned “ass kicking” coming. 

In the case of North Korea, North Korea had to show that they could bring the “ass kicking” to Washington, enter the ICBM test with stats similar to the Russian Satan 2 and hydrogen bomb. 

In  the case of Iran, they don’t need so much punch I believe. But could be wrong?

I suspect they will have to intercept Israel missiles and shoot down Israel jets. 

I also suspect that China may now be giving Iran the green light. 

NDPP

Let's hope so..

No surprise where Canada stands...

"Canada strongly condemns Iran's attack on Israeli military forces. We fully support Israel's right to defend itself against Iranian aggression. We call on Iran to stop any further aggression."

https://twitter.com/CanadaFP/status/994606114208612352

"I join FM Freeland in strongly condemning rocket attacks against Israeli military forces in [Syria's] Golan & reaffirm Israel's right to defend itself against ongoing aggression from Iran and its proxies."

https://twitter.com/LevittMichael/status/994607307366449152

 

"We would like to thank the Canadian government as well as other political leaders for their multipartisan support of Israel and condemnation of Iranian aggression."

https://twitter.com/IsraelinCanada/status/994731803779969024

WWWTT

The Justin liberals have now provided they are bigger war pigs than Harper! Give yourselves a big pat on the back liberals! You stand on the right of Harper!

iyraste1313

The Justin liberals have now provided they are bigger war pigs than Harper! ....

The fundamental problem here is that our political class has total loyalty to the elitest institutions of our country.....the media their corporate owners, not to mention the war industry et al...

any real alternative movement will have to come from below...people not brainwashed into the system, not dependent on its rewards, not afraid to espouse politically incorrect elitest views, and especially people prepared to live on the margins......prepared to build something new, anti globalist, anti managerial bureaucratic state that we have slipped into so passively in Canada...

NDPP

Countdown To War on Iran

https://t.co/ihNQ3zsny7

"John Bolton is a ruthless man..."

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/phhlVFRoLHU

"Netanyahu admits starting war to distract from scandals."

NDPP

Fallout From US Pulling Out of Iran Nuclear Deal

https://youtu.be/vhSCXZTqwG0

"Evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program fabricated by Mossad."

NDPP

CrossTalk Bullhorns on Resistance

https://youtu.be/iVVoAmR1NgA

"Have you ever known a hero? Well you will meet one here. Also, what is the future of the Trans Atlantic alliance in the era of Trump. And Iran...

NDPP

Pompeo's Message To Iran: Submit or Suffer (Pt 1/2 and vid)

https://therealnews.com/series/pompeos-message-to-iran-submit-or-suffer

"In announcing new demands and threats, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has made clear that the Trump administration will seek to threaten Iran into submission, says historian Eskander Sadeghi of Oxford..."

NDPP

Trudeau Just Made A Major Pivot Towards Toughness With His Iran Policy

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-trudeau-just-made-a-major...

"It's hard to understate just what a reversal this represents. Trudeau campaigned on restarting diplomatic relations with Iran and this motion calling for the government to 'abandon its current plan and immediately cease any and all negotiations with the Islamic Republic and Iran to restore diplomatic relations. 

So what Trudeau did by standing up in support of an [CON] opposition MP's mere motion was to signal a complete change in the Canadian government's Iran policy..."

Because Israel wished it so.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

Because Israel wished it so.

Or perhaps because he thinks it will help him get off Trump's shit list.

Sean in Ottawa

That is too bad. Normalization with Iran is overdue.

WWWTT

Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Because Israel wished it so.

Or perhaps because he thinks it will help him get off Trump's shit list.

So in other words Justin is more than happy to kiss every ass that has a dollar sign tattoo on it!

Behold! Capitalism in all its glory!

but I’m guessing there’s more money influence and power held by Jewish Canadians as opposed to Iranian Canadians 

Or no wait, Behold, democracy in all its glory!

WWWTT

Ok first off the link

https://irannewsupdate.com/news/iranian-opposition/4629-debunking-the-iran-regime-s-lies-about-the-mek-no-the-mek-aren-t-marxist.html

josh turned me on to this group MeK via a link he posted in the Steve Harper thread. 

I found it intriguing that there’s some claim to Marxism and socialism. So more links now

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/mek.htm

 

josh

Rudy “Mr. Say the Quiet Part Loud” spills the beans on the demonstrations:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/30/rudy-giuliani-mek-iran-paris-rally

NDPP

The Iran threads have lots of information on MEK , but this one from the Intercept's Mehdi Hasan is a good one:

Here's Why Washington Hawks Love This Cultish Iranian Exile Group

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/mek-iran-rajavi-cult-saudi-gingrich-...

MEK is a neocon-CIA-Israeli-Saudi co-production in which this terrorist group becomes the 'tip of the spear' of Iranian regime change. Since this is largely an Israeli project, one can assume it will  enjoy tacit all party support from Ottawa as well. See #112 upthread.

WWWTT

I find it to be a real odd that the US supports a marxist/socialist group?!?!?!?

As well, the term "terrorist" or "terrorism" is only a flexible term used to discredit demonize and attack by the west or within western context. MeK was once labelled as terrorists, so by default, MeK does or at least used to demand some kind of credibility at some kind of level.

Now to be fare, the US and India do support communist Vietnam as a leverage to China.

Then there's Mek claims of responsibilty for the protests in Iran. This is important in some way, I'm yet to figure out or see more relevance and logical explanations.

All three of Iran's biggest allies, Russia India and China absolutely do not want Islamic extremists! The US and Israel love Islamic extremism!!!

Something big is going on here, I'm going to follow some suspicions I have.

 

WWWTT

Ok here's a real powerful link in the ifo department! It has info that qualifies it for several different threads!

https://medium.com/indrastra/how-much-solidarity-with-iran-can-the-china...

 

WWWTT

Here's another link discrediting the MeK

https://lobelog.com/the-iran-protests-regime-change-and-mek/

NDPP

On the Path to Failure - US Attempts Violent 'Regime Change' in Iran

https://t.co/ql3WGhWVCo

"The MEK is just a front group, trained by Mossad and financed with US and Saudi money. It is not backed by Iranian people. Since its Islamic revolution in 1979 every US attempt to damage Iran or its allies has led to the opposite effect. Every time Iran emerged stronger than ever before. It is likely that the current attempt will have a similar result."

WWWTT

At this point I'm going to have to agree with you about MeK NDPP.

At first from what I read it seemed odd that a group like MeK would be supported from the US and Saudi. But now I feel that the MeK has transformed into an opportunistic group that probably has a for profit agenda using the Saudi's and US among others to create havoc in Iran and line their pockets at the same time.

NDPP

Stephen Harper Criticized For Speaking at 'Free Iran' Rally Hosted by 'Cult' Former Terror Group

https://t.co/YNiZt4phPE

"...Even among voices opposing the Iranian regime however, the group is controversial for its extremism, cult-like leadership and history of violence. Samira Mohyeddin, a Canadian journalist and vocal critic of the Iranian regime, has called the group a 'well documented terrorist cult who have committed many crimes against humanity..."

Nothing new for Canadian PMs to support terrorist groups in the Middle East.  And nothing more violent and terrorist than America or Israel.

WWWTT

I believe Harper is only playing up to Israel. Otherwise he'd give a ratt's ass about Iran.

Iran's allies-China, Russia, India, Pakistan

Iran's enemies- Israel. The US and Canada etc etc are vocal  against Iran because their governments are worried about backlash from Israeli supporters in thei respective countries.

But beyond that, Israel is really outnumbered. Iran is the heavyweight in this bout and I can't see the isolation of Iran in the west have any traction or even lasting beyond say 5 years?

NDPP

China Opposed To Iran Regime Change

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/07/03/566931/China-opposed-to-Iran-r...

"China says it is strongly opposed to any US practice of regime change, saying Beijing will keep its trade ties with Tehran. The announcement follows the call by a top US official for overturning Iran's government..."

WWWTT

In my comment #215 I forgot to mention Saudia Arabia. Since the Saudis are huge supporters of the greenback, then the US will kiss their asses

NDPP

How the Iran Sanctions Drama Intersects With OPEC-Plus

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49795.htm

"Iran-and Russia - may sit on an astonishing $45 trillion worth in oil and gas reserves. Alarm bells are about to sound, to the tune of 'Putin has taken over OPEC'. Only one thing is certain; the future spells out brutal, covert resource wars..."

NDPP

This Think-Tank is Pushing Regime Change in Iran

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1017540879114878976

"And the White House is listening..."

josh

They're always pushing for regime change.  Only the names of the regimes change.

bekayne

But...but...but...I keep being told is that all Trump wants is a little peace:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/trump-iran-intl/index.html

NDPP

US-Iran Row: Trump's Twitter-Rage and Iranian Professor's Response on the BBC

https://youtu.be/S2gn5gD0TM8

"Professor Seyed Mohammed Morandi from the University of Tehran responds to Trump's twitter meltdown on Iran."

 

NDPP

As Netanyahu Brags of Killing Iran Deal, Where's the Outcry?

https://youtu.be/LaU0LTcBK3o

"Why has Netanyahu's claim been mostly ignored.?"

Zionist power.

NDPP

Trudeau's Pledge to Re-Engage With Iran is Another Broken Liberal Promise

https://buff.ly/2JPg3vC

"Another Liberal broken promise. Before becoming prime minister Justin Trudeau promised to re-engage with Iran. His government has failed to do so and is beginning to echo the warmongers in Washington and Tel Aviv. By breaking his promise to restart diplomatic relations with Iran, Trudeau has enabled US-Israeli hawks - further empowering those hurtling towards a major conflict."

WWWTT

@NDPP

Dont waste your time with Israel, they have no oil. Israel is pretty much a welfare state that kisses the fat ass of whoever has money. 

Heres the real reason behind the US ramped up hostility towards Iran!

https://www.rt.com/business/428245-india-iran-dollar-rupee-oil/

 

https://m.timesofindia.com/business/international-business/india-devises-way-to-bypass-us-sanctions-pay-for-iran-oil/articleshow/64705354.cmsCanada is also an oil producing nation so expect Justin( Trump lite) to follow. 

WWWTT

Again @ NDPP

heres some more back up

https://victormatara.com/list-of-top-10-oil-producing-countries-in-the-world-2018/

https://www.bizvibe.com/blog/top-oil-producing-countries/

Don’t fall for the Israel diversion. 

This is all bout oil! Always was and will be. This oil aspect can be just as easily used in over half a dozen threads here on babble but I’ll just leave it here for now

 

WWWTT

Perspective from China 

CCTV4 in China is speculating the possibility of US bombings of Iran starting as early in August, next month!

Ok speculation time (my favorite part of posting)

I believe China India Russia will never tolerate direct US hostility onto Iran. Also here’s some perspective away from oil and more to do with infrastructure development of central Eurasia

https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2017/08/01/russia-and-iran-partner-up-as-the-us-turns-its-back/#36a5b315f630

https://thediplomat.com/2017/03/china-russia-iran-ports-and-power-along-the-belt-and-road/

and yet another

 

http://www.atimes.com/article/turkey-iran-russia-india-playing-new-silk-roads/

now I did provide an perspective separated from oil that does play into all of this. Hopefully there is a move away from oil and gas. We will have a better perspective come December this year

WWWTT

WOW this is a huge turnaround!!!

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/30/17631422/trump-iran-meeting-preconditions-...

“I’m ready to meet any time they want to,” he said, adding that he’d do so without preconditions. “Speaking to other people, especially when you’re talking about potentials of war and death and famine,” he continued, “you meet.”

Ya that's what Trump said! Looks like he has made a 180' and the threat of Iran invasion/attack  (wasn't going to happen anyways) is pretty much gone now.

But why? Has this guy completely turned into a pece loving hippie now?!?!?! Does he suffer from some kind of disability?

I'm itchin to speculate now on this one but I'd like NDPP and other babblers to jump in with something!

WWWTT

WWWTT wrote

We will have a better perspective come December this year

Looks like things are moving a little faster than I thought not too long ago.

cco

WWWTT wrote:

Has this guy completely turned into a pece loving hippie now?!?!?! Does he suffer from some kind of disability?

He appears to agree with the last person who flattered him.

Xi, Putin, and Netanyahu have figured this out.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

cco wrote:
WWWTT wrote:

Has this guy completely turned into a pece loving hippie now?!?!?! Does he suffer from some kind of disability?

He appears to agree with the last person who flattered him.

Xi, Putin, and Netanyahu have figured this out.

He's a cheap conman who is not very conversant with the truth. His role is the Orange Herring and he is doing it well. The scary part of watching an empire in decline is trying to figure out who is actually in control of various intelligence agencies let alone the military. For all the POTUS hype I for one do not believe that the US President has been more than a figurehead for a long time. No politician in their system can rise to the top without learning how to take directions from the Invisible Hand.

NDPP

Netanyahu Threatens Iran With 'All Israel's Arms' 

https://on.rt.com/9bki

"The harsh statements by the Israeli PM, who was speaking at a graduation ceremony for naval officers on Wednesday, were referring to the recent Houthi attack on a Saudi oil tanker off Yemen's western coast. The Saudi-led coalition has repeatedly said the Houthis are armed and supported by Iran, but both the group and Tehran deny the claims..."

WWWTT

Here's a follow up on Iran's responce to Trump's latest offer for talks

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/trump-talks-offer-worthless-irani...

WWWTT

kropotkin1951 wrote:

cco wrote:
WWWTT wrote:

Has this guy completely turned into a pece loving hippie now?!?!?! Does he suffer from some kind of disability?

He appears to agree with the last person who flattered him.

Xi, Putin, and Netanyahu have figured this out.

He's a cheap conman who is not very conversant with the truth. His role is the Orange Herring and he is doing it well. The scary part of watching an empire in decline is trying to figure out who is actually in control of various intelligence agencies let alone the military. For all the POTUS hype I for one do not believe that the US President has been more than a figurehead for a long time. No politician in their system can rise to the top without learning how to take directions from the Invisible Hand.

Not sure if your comment is adding any speculation into Trump's comments. Are they indicating a new direction from Trump?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Here's a follow up on Iran's responce to Trump's latest offer for talks

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/trump-talks-offer-worthless-irani...

I think the Iranians are making a big mistake here by treating Trump as a rational, adult human being, to be negotiated with according to historical norms. They have evidently not learned much from the success of Kim Jong Un in manipulating Trump and getting something for nothing. If they were more imaginative, they could have embraced Trump's offer of talks, flattered his ass off, and bought themselves years of relatively good relations with the U.S. at no cost.

WWWTT

Ok MM that's a fair comment.

North Korea however is more advanced than Iran when it comes to nuclear weapons and ICBM missiles. And the influence of China I'm sure was huge. So perhaps a North Korea comparison wouldn't be giving much credit to the Iranian approach? Maybe?

Also I'm not aware of anything that the Iranians may have done to get Trump to openly come out that he's open to discussions now? So really, if not kissing Trump's ass has gotten Trump to stop talking about military action and instead lean towards open dialogue, why would they start your approach now?

I'm guessing the other 5 countries that signed the nuclear deal and the EU are giving huge pressure onto the US. 

In addition, I think India is pissed off at the US over this. Now this is pure speculation on my part. I believe I've read enough to get the impression that India will find ways to bypass the US sanctions. Nobody gives India any credit around here but I will suggest that the US may be concerned with how much it crosses India.

I'm going to predict that Trump is going to buck and fold over Iran and somehow is going to weasel back to the original deal. Maybe Iran will accomodate Trump so the US does not lose face as you have suggested?

Either way I'm sure we're going to hear more about this in the coming weeks/months that will reveal more.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

WWWTT wrote:

I'm going to predict that Trump is going to buck and fold over Iran and somehow is going to weasel back to the original deal. Maybe Iran will accomodate Trump so the US does not lose face as you have suggested?

I hope you're right about this. Unfortunately, people like Bolton, Pompeo and Netanyahu want war with Iran very badly, and they will do their best to prevent any peaceful resolution. You can bet that they were all furious when Trump publicly offered unconditional talks.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

WWWTT wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

cco wrote:
WWWTT wrote:

Has this guy completely turned into a pece loving hippie now?!?!?! Does he suffer from some kind of disability?

He appears to agree with the last person who flattered him.

Xi, Putin, and Netanyahu have figured this out.

He's a cheap conman who is not very conversant with the truth. His role is the Orange Herring and he is doing it well. The scary part of watching an empire in decline is trying to figure out who is actually in control of various intelligence agencies let alone the military. For all the POTUS hype I for one do not believe that the US President has been more than a figurehead for a long time. No politician in their system can rise to the top without learning how to take directions from the Invisible Hand.

Not sure if your comment is adding any speculation into Trump's comments. Are they indicating a new direction from Trump?

Sorry I find the assumption that Trump is actually in control an absurdity. This is a traveling side show and whether Trump flip flops or whatever is irrelevant because in the final analysis he is the distraction not the decsion maker.

NDPP

VIPS To Trump: Intel on Iran Could Be CATASTROPHIC

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/01/vips-to-trump-intel-on-iran-could-...

"As drums beat again for war - this time on Iran - the VIPS' warning is again being disregarded as it was before the Iraq debacle and this time VIPS fear the consequences will be all-caps CATASTROPHIC..."

NDPP

War With Iran? Seriously Mr Trump? (and podcast)

https://twitter.com/JohnWight1/status/1024622465291636736

"With the war drums beating ever louder in Washington when it comes to Iran, Iranian academic and political analyst Mohammad  Marandi, joins John Wight to offer his expert analysis."

 

In Blow To Trump, China Rejects US Request To Cut Iran Oil Imports

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/03/570066/Iran-oil-exports-China-...

"China has rejected a US demand to cut Iranian oil imports despite Washington's attempts to bring down the Islamic Republic's oil sales to zero, Bloomberg reports. This is a blow to US President Donald Trump's efforts to isolate Iran after his withdrawal from a 2015 nuclear deal with the country..."

WWWTT

kropotkin wrote

Sorry I find the assumption that Trump is actually in control an absurdity. This is a traveling side show and whether Trump flip flops or whatever is irrelevant because in the final analysis he is the distraction not the decsion maker.

Ok let me be a little more clear. This above comment is just a blanket statement that you made. You're not trying to make any guess as to which direction Trump's comments may be indicating the US will move forward in US/Iran relations.

I guess you are not interested in speculating?

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