JDL, EDL, Fascists, Racists And Other Haters
January 20, 2011 - 3:25am
Koran Protest: US Pastor Terry Jones Banned From UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/8270367/Koran-protes...
"Mr Jones had originally been invited by the English Defence League to attend a Feb. 5, rally in Luton, Bedfordshire against the presence of Islam in Britain, but that invitation was withdrawn.."
maybe the Jewish Defence League Canada's Meir Weinstein, can invite Pastor Terry to Toronto's Zionist Center and burn a few holy books there. Since their recent JDL-EDL marriage and anti-Muslim alliance they're all family now anyway...
Jewish Tribune published this about the EDL rally:
http://www.jewishtribune.ca/TribuneV2/index.php/201101193902/JDL-Congress-at-odds-over-English-Defence-League.html
http://www.jewishtribune.ca/TribuneV2/index.php/201101193887/An-open-letter-to-the-CJC.html
It seems the Jewish Tribune is defending the JDL and the racist rally and painting those protesting against it as thugs and hooligans.
I'll keep the absolute fact that the Jewish Tribune is a snot rag that's unworthy of even wiping my ass with in mind anytime someone tries to quote this tabloid to represent any truth.
No one has reported that the JDL has also forged links with the Dutch Freedom Party of Geert Wilders and the Austrian Freedom Party (formerly led by Jorg Haider). I wonder if Meir will soon be making links with France's National Front?
Sympathy For the Devil
http://drdawgsblawg.ca/2011/01/sympathy-for-the-devil-1.shtml
"Growing bolder, conservatives are now openly allying themselves with neo-Nazis to further their Islamophobic agenda, and the latter obligingly suppress their anti-Semitism and racism, at least publicly, providing their more respectable friends with a convenient alibi. But the line allegedly separating the two political tendancies is becoming a little more blurry with each passing day...
What will it take to wake folks up - pipe bombs at pro-Palestinian rallies here in Canada? Or will that too be defended, explained away or ignored by conservatives flaunting their bigotry and perhaps no-so-long-spoons?"
Ron Banerjee of the Canadian Hindu Advocacy just sent me these two disturbing press releases which he claims were sent out today to the Parti Quebecois and Quebec National Assembly
As some of you may know, his micro organization is affiliated with the JDL (although the relationship seems to mean more to the CHA than to the JDL as the JDL frequently does not mention the CHA), and has recently participated in both the January 11th and January 18th anti-muslim events, the former of which was the EDL video presentation and the latter of which was the OISE event.
I wrote back to him and told him that he'd sent out lies and exaggerations in an improper press release format. He replied: "Nothing but the truth from us."
Some politicians and media really do think he speaks for a large group of Hindus.
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We are the Canadian Hindu Advocacy, a national organization and the largest representative of the Hindu community in Canada. We would like to congratulate you and your party on recent moves to restrict Sikh kirpans and Muslim niqabs.
Kirpans can be used as deadly weapons and there have been documented cases of Canadian Sikhs injuring others using kirpans.
Sikh turbans and Islamic attire like niqabs, hijabs, and burkhas have been used in certain cases of violence, robberies, and concealment by terrorists.
By contrast, Jewish and Hindu communities have achieved maximum success in North America by integrating into society in a harmonious fashion. There is no place in Canada for destructive cultural traditions being imported from overseas. Hindu and Jewish traditions, on the other hand, are conducive to democracy and should be encouraged.
We thank you and your party for recognizing these fundamental truths.
Regards Ron Banerjee Canadian Hindu Advocacy
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We are the Canadian Hindu Advocacy, a national organization and the largest representative of the Hindu community in Canada. We would like to congratulate and thank the Quebec National Assembly for excluding the World Sikh Organization of Canada from participation in the debate over Bill 94.
There are many compelling reasons to exclude this organization from public discourse, aside from the very legitimate kirpan issue. The World Sikh Organization is an organization which defends the right to advocate for a mythical Sikh state, to be named 'Khalistan'.
The 'Khalistan' movement, which WSO tries to equate with PQ goals for an independent nation, is very different from French Canadian aspirations. 'Khalistan' means 'Land of the Pure', and such a state could only be created by perpetrating genocide or ethnic cleansing against the almost 50 percent of India's Punjab state which are non Sikh minorities.
This movement was responsible for the rape and mass slaughter of thousands of civilians, and supporters were suspected of blowing up an Air India jet in Canada, killing over 330 Canadians.
Such a movement bears more similarity to the German Nazi movement in the 1940s than to any group advocating nationhood for Quebec. We thank the Quebec National Assembly, and recommend that the WSO be excluded in the future, regardless of whether or not turbans and kirpans are worn.
Regards Rupesh Bhardwaj Canadian Hindu Advocacy
Michael Coren had 10 minutes the other day, with guests, basically in support of the EDL and repeating some of the talking points put out by the JDL
http://www.jewpi.com/michael-coren-show-shows-support-for-the-edl-and-th...
Carlisle Man Arrested after 'Koran Burning' in City Centre
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2011/01/carlisle-man-arrested-after-kor...
"The incident came just a day before a controversial American preacher who had threatened to burn copies of the Koran on the anniversary of the 911 attacks in New York was told he would be barred for from visiting the UK"
Lady Warsi Claims Islamophobia Is Now Socially Acceptable in Britain
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2011/01/lady-warsi-claims-islamophobia-...
"Islamophobia has 'passed the dinner-table test' and become widely acceptable in Britain, according to Lady Warsi, the Conservative chairman. Warsi, the first Muslim woman to attend Cabinet is expected to use a speech at Leicester University today to raise the alarm over the way in which she believes prejudice against Muslims is now seen by many Britons as normal."
Thanks to the JDL-EDL Zio-Nazi Pact and their Tory, MSM supporters, Islamophobia will likely grow here also..
This is getting me really freaked out.
well, Kinky Friedman, earlier today when i objected to Banerjee's 'press releases', and specifically said that his organization was a 'micro' one, and really just him and a few henious friends, he responded with:
We have offices from coast to coast. We have an ethnic liaison and outreach branch responsible for interfaith relations. We also have a political affairs bureau in Ottawa.
And that's not even including our liaison offices in the US. Which have very strong contacts with various groups, including assorted Tea Party organizations and others.
Grassroots organizing, media engagement, high level input into governmental policies. We do it all.
of course, none of that is true, well, except perhaps for the part about 'media engagement' which i pointed out to him was mainly him writing lots of letters to the newspapers about his mostly imaginary organization. i also ridiculed him for not using proper formats when fabricating his 'press releases', and he said he'd look into that feedback with his "pr team".
the problem is that while we know he's something of a scumbag, the false persona he presents for both himself and his organization makes him appear quite large so he's able to fool a lot of people, including some mainstream journalists, legitimate organizations which don't know any better, as well as politicians who think he really does represent the Hindu community.
The JDL and Free Dominion: Strange Bedfellows
http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.com/2011/01/jdl-and-free-dominion-stra...
Just to point out how stupid Banerjee is...
He aligns himself with the EDL..Britain has a huge East Indian population and the English Defense League,National Front whatever,is committed to an 'ethnically clean' England.
In other words,if they could they would kick that community--including Banerjee--out of the country immediately.
Only an idiot would believe that groups such as the EDL are an inclusive bunch..Hence,Banerjee is an idiot.
Just to point out how stupid Banerjee is...
He aligns himself with the EDL..Britain has a huge East Indian population and the English Defense League,National Front whatever,is committed to an 'ethnically clean' England.
In other words,if they could they would kick that community--including Banerjee--out of the country immediately.
Only an idiot would believe that groups such as the EDL are an inclusive bunch..Hence,Banerjee is an idiot.
Banerjee is a disturbed young man with serious cultural identity issues. i pointed out to him that while he - under the guise of the CHA - is always talking about the JDL, they don't seem to mention him much, basically, as i also told him, he's their chump appendage, and now they've hooked up with the EDL, a group which doesn't like his kind.
Lots of strange bedfellows. Not just Banerjee, there is a Facebook group Hindus for EDL.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hindus-who-support-the-English-Defence-Lea...
Lots of strange bedfellows. Not just Banerjee, there is a Facebook group Hindus for EDL.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hindus-who-support-the-English-Defence-Lea...
oh, good grief. just had a look at that FB page. it's even more hateful towards muslims than the EDL's own stance.
i will say that there are some aspects of islam which make me uncomfortable, but i could say the same thing about many religions. that does not mean that i tar and feather all adherents of a religion with the same brush because i know full well that fundamentalists and extremists are found in all of them, and don't represent the mainstreams of the various faiths.
i think the EDL did their little group hug with the JDL and their chump hindu appendage (hm, same CHA initials) by video because the EDL guy probably realized he'd be denied entry into Canada. then again, they did let in hate speaker extraordinaire Ann Coulter. not to mention Sarah Palin - http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/796105--sarah-palin-charms-guests-at-hamilton-fundraiser
I have said a million times and I repeat again: CHA is NOT as alone as you think. The Canada-India Foundation has the exact same beliefs and policies but are not as up front with their views. Their largest temples, especiually the Vishnu Mandir and BAPS, is equally intolerant. That FB group is just an indication: there is a strong Hindu nationalist sentiment in Canada and elsewhere.
Banerjee claims that the chump hindu appendage of the JDL are friends with various tea party factions. i suggested to him that probably the tea party generally wasn't in favour of his kind of person, to which he responded:
Just cuz they have problems with some other non whites, doesnt mean anything about Hindus. In fact they LOVE Hindus. haha, remember this? Mark Williams ... TEA PARTY EXPRESS:
In the course of the article I described the "god" worshiped by terrorists as "a monkey god". I was wrong and that was offensive. I owe an apology to millions of Hindus who worship Lord Hanuman, an actual Monkey God.
Moreover, Hanuman is worshiped as a symbol of perseverance, strength and devotion. He is known as a destroyer of evil and to inspire and liberate. Those are hardly the traits of whatever the Hell (literally) it is that terrorists worship and worthy of my respect and admiration not ridicule.
So, again, to my Hindu friends I offer my sincerest apologies for my horrible lapse and my insensitivity. It was unintentional, inexplicably ignorant and I am ashamed at my offense toward you.
as far as Banerjee is concerned, it doesn't matter if these people don't like other dark-skinned people just so long as they love hindus. and i also had to remind Banerje that this was the same Mark Williams who was kicked out of the tea party express for racism - http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100718/el_yblog_upshot/tea-party-group-expels-leader-for-clearly-offensive-blog-post - of course, the apology doesn't really mean anything, just that this Williams was trying to get his foot out of his mouth after stating his true feelings.
I have said a million times and I repeat again: CHA is NOT as alone as you think. The Canada-India Foundation has the exact same beliefs and policies but are not as up front with their views. Their largest temples, especiually the Vishnu Mandir and BAPS, is equally intolerant. That FB group is just an indication: there is a strong Hindu nationalist sentiment in Canada and elsewhere.
frankly, i'm tired of all these extremists polluting the air. i don't care if they're jewish, christian, hindu, sikh, WHATEVER, whether they were born somewhere else or are home-grown (as is increasingly the case, it seems), i just wish they'd shut the eff up.
Banerjee claims that the chump hindu appendage of the JDL are friends with various tea party factions. i suggested to him that probably the tea party generally wasn't in favour of his kind of person, to which he responded:
Just cuz they have problems with some other non whites, doesnt mean anything about Hindus. In fact they LOVE Hindus. haha, remember this? Mark Williams ... TEA PARTY EXPRESS:
In the course of the article I described the "god" worshiped by terrorists as "a monkey god". I was wrong and that was offensive. I owe an apology to millions of Hindus who worship Lord Hanuman, an actual Monkey God.
Moreover, Hanuman is worshiped as a symbol of perseverance, strength and devotion. He is known as a destroyer of evil and to inspire and liberate. Those are hardly the traits of whatever the Hell (literally) it is that terrorists worship and worthy of my respect and admiration not ridicule.
So, again, to my Hindu friends I offer my sincerest apologies for my horrible lapse and my insensitivity. It was unintentional, inexplicably ignorant and I am ashamed at my offense toward you.
as far as Banerjee is concerned, it doesn't matter if these people don't like other dark-skinned people just so long as they love hindus. and i also had to remind Banerje that this was the same Mark Williams who was kicked out of the tea party express for racism - http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100718/el_yblog_upshot/tea-party-group-expels-leader-for-clearly-offensive-blog-post - of course, the apology doesn't really mean anything, just that this Williams was trying to get his foot out of his mouth after stating his true feelings.
Tari, that is extremely typical of that breed of Hindu fundamentalist. And even many that are not fundamentalists. And even more so in the US than in Canada.
In the States, there are about 2 million Hindus.. of which 200,000 are millionaires. They are the wealthiest ethnic group, along with Jewish Americans. With education levels and per capita incomes almost twice that of white Americans.
As a result I have found many do not empathize IN THE LEAST with other minorities. They despise blacks and Hispanics, and even look down on Chinese and some of the less prosperous white minorities.
And don't think Canada is immune either. Given the extremely high and rising level of support for Conservatives, they are following their American cousins.
Tari, that is extremely typical of that breed of Hindu fundamentalist. And even many that are not fundamentalists. And even more so in the US than in Canada.
In the States, there are about 2 million Hindus.. of which 200,000 are millionaires. They are the wealthiest ethnic group, along with Jewish Americans. With education levels and per capita incomes almost twice that of white Americans.
As a result I have found many do not empathize IN THE LEAST with other minorities. They despise blacks and Hispanics, and even look down on Chinese and some of the less prosperous white minorities.
And don't think Canada is immune either. Given the extremely high and rising level of support for Conservatives, they are following their American cousins.
from what i've learned, and personally observed, people of this sort also often look down on poorer Hindus, as well as Hindus who aren't as well-educated, and most especially those who are "lower caste" whether they are in India itself, or the same country as these more privileged Hindus. it's a deep-seated and oppressive hatred which all their education, money and seeking of social standing doesn't seem to wash away.
When they come here, though, they tend to put all that aside. I have interacted with even the lowest caste of Hindus, who seem to bathe themselves in the glow of the overall success of other Hindus. And look down on less fortunate minorities.
When they come here, though, they tend to put all that aside. I have interacted with even the lowest caste of Hindus, who seem to bathe themselves in the glow of the overall success of other Hindus. And look down on less fortunate minorities.
well, Banerjee - despite allegedly being of the highest caste - is not very successful in his personal life, but he's always talking about how successful the Hindu community is generally, as if every single one was living in a palace somewhere and banking millions every year.
he also hates living in Canada; and for some reason he won't state, he can't return to the States where he says he worked; and apparently has no plans to move to India which he also likes to glorify as a magnificently successful country despite the glaring reality of the huge poverty among millions of its population.
Banerjee gets very upset when i mention that his canadiann hindu advocacy seems to have some sort of bromance crush the JDL. i keep pointing out to him that he's always singing the JDL's praises, but the JDL seldom, if ever, mentions the CHA which i told him should stand for 'chump hindu appendage'.
i then went even further and said that basically the CHA sucks the JDL's cock, but doesn't seem to get the favour returned. that's when he emailed me this little gem: "I know it's difficult, but please converse in a manner befitting the high moral character and stringent adherence to the norms of family values and decency that our great organization embraces."
speaking of email, Banerjee claims he received this 'supportive but questioning' (his characterization) email after the JDL/EDL event - personally i suspect he just made it up - afterwards, you'll note the CHA's response about which he said to me: "I think you’ll be impressed with the answer provided". i have to say that i don't think 'impressed' means what he thinks it means:
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alleged 'supportive but questioning' email:
I was
following the JDL and EDL conference when Icame across your organization. I was very impressed how your
organizationstood with these
patriots. I visited your website and liked what I saw,but I do have some questions if you don't
mind me asking. Yourorganization seems to be very dedicated to Hindu rights in Canada
andabroad. Does that apply
to all aspects of the Hindu faith or culture? Iguess I'm specifically asking about your
feelings about the caste systemin Hinduism and if you disagree or agree with it. Also, as a
Christian Iam very concerned
about the persecution of the followers of Christ inMuslim countries and I've always been
impressed by India's tolerance,however the situation faced by Christians in Orissa at the hands
of someHindu fundamentalists
seems to be as severe as I have seen anywhere. Doesyour organization have a position on
persecution of Christians not only inMuslim lands, but also by some extremist Hindus?>> I look forward to your reply.>In Christ,
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CHA response from Banerjee's buddy in his micro-organization:
Thank you for your email.We do indeed have positions on these matters.
Our position on the caste system is that it does not exist in the form that Westerners see it.
There is no caste discrimination in India anymore.A long time ago, when some caste discrimination did exist, gypsies were being burned to death in Europe, blacks were being hung by the KKK in America, and native children were being raped by Catholic priests in Canada.
In other words, the 'caste system' is exaggerated deliberately by Muslims and Christian missionaries to convince Hindus to convert. The record of Hindu human rights abuse was never any worse than the US, Canada, or Europe... and today India is the world's largest democracy, with caste discrimination in employment outlawed.
Caste does exist in India, as a matter of personal choice. If one looks at personal dating ads in the West, one finds that most white women prefer and ask for white males as potential partners.
In the same way, most Hindu families prefer and ask for marriage within their own caste. This is a wonderful aspect of the caste system, and we support it as a matter of personal choice .. just as we would not dream of chastising white women for their preferences.
We also deny that Hindu extremists oppress Christians. Unfortunately the Indian press has been bought by foreign money, so the media distorts the truth. In Orissa, for instance, Christian missionaries had recruited Maoists to kill a Hindu swami who opposed predatory Christian conversion,and this heinous slaughter touched off Hindu riots with Christians.This website outlines and documents Christian aggression http://www.christianaggression.org/ .
Christian missionaries are often cowards.. they dare not attempt conversion in Communist China or Islamic nations, yet take advantage of Hindu tolerance to oppress Hindus in their own country.
Thank you, Naresh Patel, Canadian Hindu Advocacy
It seems that most of the world's troubles arise from Christian fundamentalistm, Islamic extremism, Jewish orthodoxy, Hindu nationalism, Shinto imperialism, etc, etc,....
Maybe it's time for humanity to grow up and give up its belief in supernatural supremicism? Establishing a much more secular world may be the only way humanity survives this century.
you forgot an 'ism: Capitalism
Oh yeah, capitalism, another one of the world's religions based on supernatural faith.
Has anyone ever seen the invisible hand, the heartless appendage of the deity of our times?
Marx - Abstract from The Introduction to Contribution To The Critique Of Hegel's Philosophy Of Right
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of spiritless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
To abolish religion as the illusory happiness of the people is to demand their real happiness. The demand to give up illusions about the existing state of affairs is the demand to give up a state of affairs which needs illusions. The criticism of religion is therefore in embryo the criticism of the vale of tears, the halo of which is religion.
some nice fresh articles and posts on our friend with the identity crisis
Canadian Hindu Advocacy Group Spreading Hatred Towards Sikhs and Muslims - http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/newsrelease/5748 - i found that one quite interesting with regard to photos documenting Sikh police and military serviceStrange Bedfellows: Canadian Hindu Advocacy's Relationship with Social Conservative Christians, the JDL and the EDL - http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.com/2011/01/strange-bedfellows-canadian-hindu.html - actually, Banerjee pointed me in the direction of this one. he was impressed out all the work done on the article, specifically the research and the screencaps. frankly, i think he was happy not to be so far behind the skirts of the JDL for a change. i did have to let him know that the ARA and the ARC were not one and the same as he was a bit confused on that point.
and he also sent me these two links:
Terry Glavin: The kirpan is mightier than the Bloc-head - http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/21/terry-glavin-the-kirpan-is-mightier-than-the-bloc-head/ - i wondered why they got 'bloc-head' right in the headline, but then used 'blockhead' in the body. perhaps the Post's copy editors have been laid off in this tough economic times for newspapers. anyway, be sure to check out the commentsand
http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/58576-canadian-hindu-advocacy-suggests-kirpan-ban-wso-ban/page__st__10__p__483924#entry483924 - which isn't really CHA-friendly, but Banerjee seems to feel that all mentions are good, oh well. however, the post below this one goes right off the rails. total crackerjack stuff. kinda like a Sikh version of Banerjee. he didn't see the humour when i put that to him.
I am grateful for the info on CHA. I also have to believe that since its the JDL that most centrist Jews (are they the majority?) would more or less ignore this new union.
JDL History Rewritten
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2011/01/jdl-history-rewritten.html
"What with the majority of the Jewish Community I believe supporting the CJC position on this, Meir and company have really screwed up on this one.." letters
US 'Conservative' webzine comes out swinging for JDL Canada Alliance with EDL
Defending the English Defence League - by David Solway
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/-1/19/defending-the-english-defense-league-...
"As I have written before, Farber and his multintudinous ilk are the Jews who whisper don't rock the boat when the boat is riddled with leaks and sinking fast...Where, one can't help wondering, do these people come from? How do they rationally justify their silent acquiescence in the fact of anti-Zionist cadres, so-called 'anti-apartheid' brigades, BDS hooligans, left-wing trade unionists and aggressive Islamic contingents? And what will they say should Luton eventually come to Canada and the US..?"
Well, Jewish Tribune was actually positive about Weinstein, and the community TV station MenschLife TV carried this interview, which seemed pretty positive towards the JDL:
http://vimeo.com/18743965
I don't get it, they are not at all condemning this guy and the JDL. It's outrageous.
as you know, i've been talking with Ron Banerjee of the Canadian Hindu Advocacy which as i've mentioned i like to call the JDL's chump hindu appendage. i've been trying to figure out how much of him and his actions are for show, and how much are for real. after some extensive conversations, both in person and by email, i have to say that i don't think i've ever encountered anyone so deeply bigoted on so many levels.
and i say about him this as someone who was beaten up in grade school and had my face spat in just for being black, being harassed and fired when i was a junior manager by a senior male manager because he didn't believe that women belonged in management (he also got rid of my female boss) and fired from a different company because they thought i was gay simply because i objected to anti-gay stuff coming out of the mouths of co-workers.
anyway, i recently queried him about the exact size of the CHA, given that many people seem to feel that it's just him and a few friends. he stuck to his 'largest' hindu group claim, and mentioned that it was a non-profit without charitable status. now, as it happens, i know how to incorporate a non-profit, where to go to get the papers, etc., but i'm not sure how to check the status of a non-profits, as in: "is this group a non-profit?, what is its status, have there been any violations, what is its current status, etc" (so if anyone knows, i'd be glad to learn).
i asked him when was the last AGM, when would the next one be, who was on the board of directors, where was its local Toronto office, where are these offices supposedly all across the country, when are regular meetings held, where are the minutes, where is the annual report. how many people were members, what was the criteria for membership, etc. he claimed that all the details and were available, just not to the general public.
he then hilarious emailed me this assertion:
It's not just 2 or 3 people who decide. We have a Board of Directors, we have processes to go thru. Sigh ... when a group becomes big, the f((* bureaucracy expands and suddenly, your hands are tied. We actually have liaison committees with each temple and regional Hindu group. They all report up to yet another committee and ... blah blah blah On top of that, each office and some of our US liaison and counterparts in India have input as well. It's a nightmare. The price of influence and success.
of course, i repeated my often stated assertion that it was a micro-organization comprised of just himself and a few of his pathetic friends, whereupon he replied:
Tari, when I assure you of something, you can take it to the bank !!
My personal integrity, sense of honour, and position at the helm of the nation's most esteemed Hindu Advocacy virtually guarantees the absolute truthfulness of my pronouncements.
When speaking to me, you have entered the No Spin Zone.
so as usual, i told him that he was delusional and was living a rich fantasy life. i also reminded him of how many lies i had previously caught him in. of course, he never admits he's lying, just comes back with some more silly rhetoric, often the same sort of thing, and sure enough, he came back to say how well hindus both at home and abroad are doing. when i suggested that he himself wasn't really that successful by the measuring stiff he uses. he hilariously countered with:
As a leader of a huge lobby, I could have drawn an enormous salary if I so desired. I do not, because my faith directs me to live a simple pure life. Like a high minded rishi living on a mountaintop, clad in rags. Simple living and high thinking. ‘I seduce with my suffering’ My faith sustains me through trials and tribulations.
he really believes this nonsense, as well as the racist, sexist, homophobic bigotry he spouts, hard as it is to believe. he's completely delusional.
Solidarity in Islamophobic Times: Holding the state and the Left Accountable
http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2011/01/18/solidarity-in-islamophobic-time...
"What allows the state to publicly propagate accusations of intended violence (despite never having seen any such plot materialize) while exonerating its own violence?"
Qu'ran Burning Protest Claims More Lives
http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2011/04/01/17839121.html
"...The attacks were driven by anger at the actions of extremist Christian preacher Terry Jones who supervised the burning of the Qu'ran in front of about 50 people at a church in Florida on March 20, according to his website.."
Jones belongs to the same club as the zio-nazi muslim hate coalition made up of JDL-Canada - EDL - Jorg Haider, Wilders, Le Pen etc:
Terry Jones Invited to EDL Demonstration
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/12/uk-terry-jones-invited-to-edl-demonstra...
"The English Defence League (EDL) said it was 'proud to announce' that teh US pastor who caused outrage with plans to burn the Qu'ran on this year's anniversary of the 911 terrorist attacks would be attending the event in Luton in early February. Jones confirmed that he would be attending in the UK. The pastor's website said he intended to visit the EDL's 'biggest demonstration to date' in February. The website stated: 'During the protest, Dr Terry Jones will speak against the evils and destructiveness of Islam in support of the continued fight against the Islamification of England and Europe.."
US Pastor Plans New Anti-Islam Protest
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/172804.html
"The extremist American pastor who supervised the burning of a copy of Islam's holy book on March 20 has said he will lead an anti-Islam rally outside the biggest mosque in Dearborn, Michigan on April 22..'
perhaps meir Weinstein's JDL Canada will send a delegation down..
"Expressing support for Florida pastor Terry Jones' effort to organize a mass burning of the Koran on the anniversary of 9/11, [JDL - Canada Spokesperson Meir Weinstein] proclaimed,
'The Koran should be burned in any civilized country'
Extremist Strange-Bedfellows
http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/jdl-edl-protest.html
If there was an active chapter of the KKK here in Toronto making such statements, one would expect that such a hate group would be shut down. Yet for some reason, perhaps because of JDL-Canada's influential friends, including Jason Kenney and Peter Kent, Meir Weinstein's JDL Canada continues his reign of terror and hate against Palestinian rights activists and Muslim Canadians generally. Enough of these ZIO NAZI, White Power, hate groups. Down with JDL-Canada!
I object to the term "ZIO NAZI" in the same way i would object to FEMI-NAZI and any other gross and ugly misuse of the term.
As for Meir Weinstein and the JDL, any attempts he was making to appear more mainstream has now been negated by his linking with the fascist EDL. In this case describing EDL as being populated by neo-nazis is apt and true. I believe most mainstream Jews (and CJC's denunciation of the JDL for its suppost of the EDL is enough proof for me) have now written off the JDL as extremists.
How about "Islamofascist?" Do you find that term gross and ugly too?
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I'm starting to think "Spamnazi" might become a useful term hereabouts.
JDL-Canada: ZIO + EDL: NAZI = ZIO NAZI
take it up with Terry Jones' champion Meir not me
NDPP, with respect, placing "Nazi" after "Zio" is a provocation and will be seen by many in the Jewish community as an attack. Is it really necessary?
Zionism doesn't equal Judaism, so why should it be considered an attack on Jews?
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Actually, I find the term "Zionazi" to be over the top, misleading, and certainly offensive to lots of people who would describe themselves as "zionist" in some sense even though they consistently oppose the murderous attacks and apartheid system instituted by Israel against the Palestinian people.
Full disclosure: I find significantly more offensive the use of the term "mainstream Jews" by the Zionist lobby (faithfully repeated by Mcsquared and Woolfman in every other post), which is a term used to smear "regular" Jews with Israel's crimes.
There, I hope I've pissed everyone off now!
Unionist, actually I meant "mainstream" Jews to differentiate from the ultra-Orthodox whose views differ widely from most others on all fronts. Though i can see where you feel it can be used to tarnish in other ways and for that I apologize.
Actually, I find the term "Zionazi" to be over the top, misleading, and certainly offensive to lots of people who would describe themselves as "zionist" in some sense even though they consistently oppose the murderous attacks and apartheid system instituted by Israel against the Palestinian people.
Full disclosure: I find significantly more offensive the use of the term "mainstream Jews" by the Zionist lobby (faithfully repeated by Mcsquared and Woolfman in every other post), which is a term used to smear "regular" Jews with Israel's crimes.
There, I hope I've pissed everyone off now!
no doubt some will be offended by the term 'zionisty lobby', not to mention outraged by the term 'apartheid system'. i can hear the screaming and the denials now, and the accusations of anti-semitism.
no doubt some will be offended by the term 'zionisty lobby', not to mention outraged by the term 'apartheid system'. i can hear the screaming and the denials now, and the accusations of anti-semitism.
Maybe. But if truth and justice offend, so be it.
The term 'Zion-Nazi' is unnecessarily provocative and quite different from finding points of similarity between Zionist ideology and fascism. In the future, ease refrain from using it. Thanks.
Apparently, Mollom agrees with me. CAPTCHA'd!
JDL-Canada: [Zios] have now allied themselves with the EDL [Nazis] in a formal and declared, public way. The descriptor Zio-Nazis is therefore, accurate in referring to them. Moreover, since it seems to have gone unnoticed - the JDL-Canada leader has publically declared support for Pastor Terry Jones and his Koran burning, which nobody here has commented on, presumably because they are far more moved by the 'Zio-Nazi' descriptor. The awful truth is what is truly 'offensive' here - far more than the use of an accurate descriptor.
If you wish to change the term you will have to change the reality it accurately describes first. The best I can agree to do when referring to them is the hyphen.
New Nazi Tactic;
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/new-nazi-tactic-if-you-cant-burn-the-bo...
"Inflation hits haters at Israeli apartheid week.."
What Nazis Thought After Service In the Jewish Ghettos
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/what-nazis-thought-after-service-in-the...
"Unbelievable racism, hate-talk from Prime Minister Sharon's son.."
Jewish Nazis At Work Again
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/jewish-nazis-at-work-again/
"Feds eye anti-Semitism claims at California University.."
as you can see my reasoned use of 'zio-nazi' in describing the anti-Muslim hate coalition of Meir Weinstein's JDL-Canada-EDL-Terry Jones et al, is restrained by comparison even with a recognized academic authority on the subject.
I want to be clear. I have no problem in comparing the JDL with nazis and fascists. My only objection is associating "zionist" with "nazi". How about "pro-Israel neo-nazis"? That's what they are IMO.
If you want an analogy, I have exactly the same problem with the term Islamofascist. I don't care for Islam (or Judaism or Christianity or any of the other phoney-baloney ideologies). But if some fascist brandishes Islam as a defence for their evil, just call them fascist. Leave Islam out of it.
Hope that's clear.
Aren't JDL Zionists?
"...alas the Zionization of Jewish communities and the false identification of Jewishness with Zionism is still a powerful disincentive that prevents liberal Jews from boldly facing Israel and its crimes. Every now and again many liberal Jews seem to liberate themselves and allow their conscience, rather than their fear, to lead them. However, many seem unable to stick to their universalist inclination for too long where Israel is concerned. The risk of being identified as a 'self-hating Jew' with all the ramifications of such an accusation is a real and frightening prospect for them. You have to be in this position to understand the power this terror...
This adjective 'Zionism' is far more meaningful and charged than is usually assumed. You cannot claim to be one if you oppose the ideology of the apartheid State of Israel. You can remain one if you just rebuke the state for a certain criminal policy and fail to see the connection between the ideology and that policy. 'I am a Zionist' is a declaration of loyalty to a frame of mind that cannot accept the 2009 Goldstone Report. You can either be a Zionist or blame Israel for war crimes and crimes against humanity -- if you do both, you will crack sooner rather than later...once you cower in the face of Zionism - you are expected to go all the way or be at the very same spot you thought you had successfully left behind.
Winning Zionist love in the short-term is far less important than losing the world's respect in the long run. Palestine should choose its friends with care: they cannot be faint-hearted nor can they claim to be Zionists as well as champions of peace, justice and human rights in Palestine."
Goldstone's Shameful U-Turn - by Illan Pappe
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11895.shtml
The term 'Zion-Nazi' is unnecessarily provocative and quite different from finding points of similarity between Zionist ideology and fascism.!
Moreover, "Zionazi" is redundant, as Zionism is already a racist nationalist ideology.
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which is why the hypen will be there - to separate the one racist nationalist ideology from the other racist nationalist ideology with which it is now formally aligned. JDL-EDL = Zio-Nazis. I will only be using the term to refer to members of this alliance. As you point out - it is redundant and unnecessary when referring to Zionists alone.
JDL-Canada: [Zios] have now allied themselves with the EDL [Nazis] in a formal and declared, public way. The descriptor Zio-Nazis is therefore, accurate in referring to them. Moreover, since it seems to have gone unnoticed - the JDL-Canada leader has publically declared support for Pastor Terry Jones and his Koran burning, which nobody here has commented on, presumably because they are far more moved by the 'Zio-Nazi' descriptor. The awful truth is what is truly 'offensive' here - far more than the use of an accurate descriptor.
If you wish to change the term you will have to change the reality it accurately describes first. The best I can agree to do when referring to them is the hyphen.
You can use the term all you like - elsewhere. Here in babble, as Catchfire has noted, it's unecessarily provocative and inaccurate (regardless of your rationalizations). Feel free to criticize Zionism and Israel with the bountiful adjectives available to you, and leave the inflammatory rhetoric out of it.
which is why the hypen will be there - to separate the one racist nationalist ideology from the other racist nationalist ideology with which it is now formally aligned. JDL-EDL = Zio-Nazis.
Hmm, looks as if they were on the same side once upon a time:
Major James Robertson, who worked for the MI5 Middle East section, wrote that threats made by Bet-Zuri in November 1944 were revealed by a member of the Stern Gang, an armed Zionist group that fought against the British presence in Palestine.
Robertson said the suspect told them that: "as soon as he [Bet-Zuri] returned to Stern Group headquarters he proposed to suggest a plan for the assassination of highly placed British political personalities, including Mr Churchill, for which purpose emissaries should be sent to London."
In February 1946 Britain's defence security officer in Palestine sent an encrypted telegram to London revealing a plot to kill ministers.
"Stern Group are training members to go to England to assassinate members of His Majesty's Government ...Stern further reported to be receiving practical sympathy from important Jews [in] Palestine," he wrote.
"A steady flow of recruits for Stern being received in this connection.''
MI5, Britain's intelligence agency, was concerned that Zionist groups might assassinate other British politicians after the death of Guinness in 1944 and when Irgun, a Jewish resistance group, killed 91 people in the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in July 1946
MI5: Zionists 'plotted to kill Churchill'
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JDL-EDL-Wilders-BNP-Breivik Hate Network and Zionist Israel
Geert Wilders: 'If Jerusalem Falls, Athens and Rome are Next.'
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=169...
"Israel is fighting for us,' the party has stated: 'If Jerusalem falls, Athens and Rome are next. This is why Israel is the central front in the defense of the West. It is not a territorial conflict, but an ideological conflict between the reason of the West and the barbarism of Islamic ideology.."
The Jerusalem Declaration
http://www.jerusalemsummit.org/eng/declaration_full.php
"..The frontline in the war we are fighting rests in the birthplace of Judeo-Christian civilization. The stakes are high: if Israel and Jerusalem are fortified, they will become the center where mankind will gather to usher in an era of peace and prosperity. But the West's failure to save them may well spell doom for civilization itself...
Just as in the past the Free World stood together against Fascism and Communism, so today it must combat the third challenge: radical islam. We prevailed then, and we shall prevail now. United around Jerusalem and armed with our eternal values, we cannot fail.."
Israel Being Courted By Right Wing European Politicians
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2010/12/22/israel-being-courted-by-righ...
:A so-called 'Jerusalem Declaration' issued by four other European rightists during their Israel visit staunchly defended the country's existence and its right to defend itself 'against all aggression, especially Islamic terrorism."
"In December I was in Israel. And I was amongst a delegation of European parliamentarians, bloggers and activists that came to Israel. These people are considered to be on the Right wing. That's what they're called. They represent a new direction going on in Europe. They see a threat. I see a threat..."
JDL-Canada, Jan 6, 2011 - AM 640 Interview with Meir Weinstein
http://www.jdl-canada.com/am640edlmeir.mp3
"bloggers also discovered a link on Weinstein's Facebook page to a chat-group called 'Death to Arabs'.."
http://rabble.ca/comment/1212106
Who Inspired Anders Breivik? - by Justin Raimondo
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/07/who-inspired-anders-breivi...
"...'May I also suggest that we cultivate a form of pan-European ethnic solidarity when it comes to stopping and reversing Third World immigration and removing the Globalist traitor class. Perhaps we can call it 'White Zionism'..? " (Fjordman)
[Jewish Defence League Canada et al ] Protest Against Muslim Prayer Services In Schools
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/08/protest-against-muslim-prayer-servi...
"Meyer Weinstein of the Jewish Defence League called for a halt to the prayer services. 'We don't want radical Islam gaining a foothold in our schools.'
'We will continue picketing until this practice stops,' said Ron Banerjee, of the Canadian Hindu Advocacy. 'We have been getting the support of many Canadians who are fed up.'
Protesters plan to picket several schools when the prayer sessions resume in November..."
Of Caucasians, Christians and Desperate White Men
http://indigenist.blogspot.com/2011/08/of-caucasians-christians-and-desp...
"Why conservative racialists in the US, UK and Israel are ultimately responsible for the tragedy in Norway.."
To Pray or Not to Pray? - by Omar Qayum
http://themuslim.ca/2011/07/18/to-pray-or-not-to-pray
"...Veiling their Islamophobic agenda as a 'violation' of the Ontario Education Act, they succeeded in spreading xenophobia towards Canada's minority Muslim population....We must ensure that groups like CHA, JDL and MCC remain on the fringes and are exposed for what they really are - bigots.
To Pray or Not to Pray? - by Omar Qayum
http://themuslim.ca/2011/07/18/to-pray-or-not-to-pray
"...Veiling their Islamophobic agenda as a 'violation' of the Ontario Education Act, they succeeded in spreading xenophobia towards Canada's minority Muslim population....We must ensure that groups like CHA, JDL and MCC remain on the fringes and are exposed for what they really are - bigots.
Interesting. In response to the question about special treatment for muslim prayers, this bigot suggests granting the same prayer rights to the other religious groups too. Nice. So to avoid religious indoctorination in a secular schooling system, we should bring more religious mumbo jumbo to the school!
That's why this practice should be opposed, regardless of who is campaigning against it.
Under the "Hate speech and discrimination" heading of Qayum's article, he writes:
However, I do agree that local Imams should not conduct prayer services. This is not because I worry about "possible hate speech," but because youth should be empowered by taking responsibility for their spiritual needs and conducting these prayers themselves. Shaykh Yusuf Badat from the Islamic Foundation of Toronto said "I trained students from Lester Pearson Collegiate near our centre in Scarborough to do that and they've been running their own Friday service for years."11 Hopefully, other Imams will follow Shaykh Yusuf's lead
No mention whatsoever that this would only apply to 49-50% of students, as girl students would be forbidden from leading prayers. Earlier up the article he complely brushes off the concern of girls having to sit behind boys, while comparing it to gender segrated sports. That is completely disengenuous and a comparison of apples and oranges. He also makes no mention of girls not being allowed to participate when menstruating due to being unclean. Telling a girl they are unclean during their period is hate speech in my opinion. It gives girls a very negative opinion of themselves.
I agree with him that gender-segregated Catholic schools need to come to an end in Ontario, but he is wrong that people don't discuss them. Those of us against the Muslim prayers in publics schools have written quite a bit on babble against Catholic schools and gender-segregation.
Interesting. In response to the question about special treatment for muslim prayers, this bigot suggests granting the same prayer rights to the other religious groups too. Nice. So to avoid religious indoctorination in a secular schooling system, we should bring more religious mumbo jumbo to the school!
That's why this practice should be opposed, regardless of who is campaigning against it.
Of course, but he thinks that because he is as ignorant as you are. He believes Banerjee's disinformation, just like you do. The whole debate is based on total ignorance, because Christians already have Christian prayer groups in Toronto Public Schools it is just that no one gets outraged about it. So, you can invert your equation and ask yourself, if Christians are at liberty to bring "worship leaders" into L'Amoreaux Collegiate Institute where they pray, why is it a problem when Muslim people do it?
Indeed, there are numerous Christian clubs all over the GTA public schools system, and I am sure that if they were examined closely enough we would find priests and pastors popping in all the time to conduct a "little" prayer for the faithful, in each and every one of them. But no one bothers to check, and Banerjee isn't interested, and nor are Babblers apparently.
Over the last month, none of you even bothered to google "christian club TDSB". The more I read of this debate, the less I can believe that anyone is sincerely taking a position on principle, and not simply looking for framework to pop off about "special treatment" for Muslims. At best you are stupid because you believe the vile misinformation of Islamophobes like Banerjee without bothering to check the facts, and ignorant because of it. And stupid again for allowing your ignorance to be used as a tool legitimize his cause.
That is what I get from this ongoing creepy xenophobic debate among so called "progressive" people on this so called progressive board.
If the moderators on this board had any guts at all they would stop allowing the board to be used as tool for advertising and supporting this ignorant and defamatory attack upon a bunch of children in Rexdale. But they don't. Which is why I gave up this board. Today I discovered that they don't even have the guts to ban me, after I requested that they do so. I want nothing to do with this place. [please do as I asked].
In the face of the fact that there are 29 publicly funded Catholic school boards in Ontario with many gender segregated schools in them, and numerous "Christian Fellowship" clubs through the TDSB all devoted to propagating the Christian faith it is very hard to believe that singular fixation on the single Muslim prayer group allowed in the TDSB is not an expression of racializing bias and cultural bigotry.
Why does the argument "I am against religion in schools, therefore I am against the Valley Park Muslim prayer group" appear merely to be an excuse for papering over bigotry and prejudice? It appears merely to be an excuse for papering over bigotry and prejudice because the argument that "I am against religion in schools, therefore I am against the Valley Park Muslim prayer group" is precisely the same argument that known Islamophobe, Geert Wilders fan, and EDL supporter Ron Bannerjee uses to leverage public opinion against Muslims at the Valley Park school.
The same argument is made both by Banerjee and numerous Babblers against the very same target: Why would anyone believe that their motives are different?
The picture is of members of the Social Democratic Party of Germany in 1936 finding numerous points "on principle" to justify their attendance at a demonstration against the "Treaty of Versaille", despite the fact that it is sponsored by Hitler's NSDAP. Looking at that picture in my mind, as if it were an aged photograph, I am really having trouble trying to figure out how I would identify which ones were the anti-Semites, and which ones were the "socialists".
Good to see you Cueball.
The issue to me is whether public school time should be turned over to corporate worship. Any publicly funded school which is allowing corporate worship during normal instructional time should cease doing so.
Cueball, the difference is whether religious prayers happen during school time - or after school in school space.
I have no problem (and I'm sure there are many) with religious clubs meeting after school.
Lunch time is not school supervised time. It is not instructional time. It has precisely the same legal standing as after school time. The Christian Fellowship clubs are the same as any other club, and any club can meet at lunch hour if they want to. In fact, most school clubs happen during lunch time, because a lot of kids can not stay after school. You have no idea when Christian Fellowship clubs meet. You just said that to justify the stand you have taken in defense of these bigots.
Goodbye.
Who is meeting at lunch time? The Muslim prayer group is during class time, as it is in the cafeteria it could not occur during lunch.
Please point to where ANYONE has defended the bigots??
Ghislaine, it appears from Cueball's "good-bye" that these posts were a drive-by. Some of his comments in the first post lead me to believe he was hoping the moderators might ban him as per his request.
That was a really classy thing to wake up to.
I don't know what's going on in Toronto, but I think I mentioned in the last thread that there are lots of schools in Manitoba which still have Christian prayer, contrary to regulations, and the news report indicated it was something the provinnce was hoping to change.
So sorry, supporting the separation of church and state doesn't make me a Nazi or an Islamophobe or someone who doesn't like kids any more than opposition to pornography makes someone a Christian Fundamentalist.
I think it is important for the education system, and I also think it is important for equality and freedom of those who DO want to practice their religion.
Did anyone on these threads say that the anti-prayer protests were a good thing? I know I said more than once I thought they were an exploitation of a situation that never would have existed if the school board had kept the two things separate in the first place.
The issue to me is whether public school time should be turned over to corporate worship. Any publicly funded school which is allowing corporate worship during normal instructional time should cease doing so.
The law requires that schools accommodate the faith needs of their students, so unless your talking about changing the Charter of Rights and Freedoms it's not a question of whether school time is turned over to corporate worship - it's a question of whether prayer services can take place on school grounds or off.
Cueball, the difference is whether religious prayers happen during school time - or after school in school space. I have no problem (and I'm sure there are many) with religious clubs meeting after school.
Great, but that doesn't solve the existing conflict, which is that Muslim students have faith requirements that conflict with regular school hours on Fridays.
Of course schools need to accomodate freedom of worship by giving students time out of class.
What they should not do is allow that to happen under the roof of the school, especially if those religious people expect the exemptions from rules of discrimination that they ordinarily enjoy.
None of that prevarications counts as a justifiable defense of this campaign of bigotry, because school clubs can operate during any free period, and the schools often accomodate clubs by giving up free periods in regular class time. No one here has any evidence to show that Christian Clubs are prevented from meeting at any time of the day, should the school desire to accommodate them for whatever reason -- they are just like any other club.
What a bunch of horseshit. But of course there will be some other officious made up explanation suited to justify supporting a campaign promoted by bigots whose only purpose is to exclude Muslims from the same rights enjoyed by all school communities, whether they be religious, ethnic, or national.
It's called "multiculturalism". You don't like it. Change it.
[And no, Caissa. I am not trying to get banned. I demanded that my account be terminated, and Rabble.ca has not complied.]
Who is defending the campaign of bigotry?
And those Christian clubs should be out of there. It may not be the case in Toronto, but as I also mentioned there ARE school divisions where they take it seriously enough that the largely secular holiday of Christmas cannot even be mentioned.
It is a matter of principle, and given some of the campaigns of religious censorship and twisting of curruculum that has happened in the U.S., not to mention the discrimination that religions are allowed to practice, it is an important principle.
So some religious person can come into my kids' school and spread the lie that gay people are an abomination, that women are subordinate to men, that abortion is murder, and that the world was created in seven days because that's multiculturalism?
Sorry, but I didn't sign up for that one with my pad thai order.
And that is the way it is, except of course when it is Muslim mysogynists, Muslim homphobes, or Muslim anti-choice people. Then Banerjee will say jump and here you are jumping up and down complaining that you have to much hot sauce in your Pad Thai, and asking for your money back, like a made to order bigot.
So lets tally up... how many posts by 6079_Smith_W on this thread about banning "rainbows" in Catholic schools? Exactly 0. How many from Caissa? Exactly 0. How many from Ghislane? Exactly 0. So much for your principled defense of gay people from religious homophobia. It is quite obvious that it is really only Islamic homophobia that interests you.
This board is disgusting. Numerous threads finding ways to support Banerjee's anti-Muslim campaign, yet a measly 7 posts about Catholic repression of homosexuals in schools.
Your argument: "I am against religion in schools, therefore I am against the Valley Park Muslim prayer group", is precisely the same as the one Banerjee uses, and like you, he only finds time to talk about such thing when it involves Muslims.
Same argument. Same target. Why would I think your your motives are any different? Because you say that its the "principle" of the thing? He says that too.
Nonsense, Cueball.
If you want to spin it that way I can't stop you, but the fact is you are just making stuff up and calling me names.
The last time I discussed an issue about separation of church and state it had to do with Christian Justices of the peace thinking they could make up their own rules.
And that is the way it is, except of course when it is Muslim mysogynists, Muslim homphobes, or Muslim anti-choice people.
In Burnaby we protest the homophobes from all religions. Here there is no special treatment both the Xian and Moslem groups are given the same response. Keep your hateful religions at home and out of our public schools.
Cueball, the topic of these threads has been Muslim prayers at Valley Park School, that is why that religion is mentioned more. The archives are FULL of discussion about the ridiculous situation of Catholic school boards in Ontario, homophobia at Christian schools, etc. Your attacks are so weak. No one here supports JDL or the Hindu group. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association is also protesting this. You can lump me in with them.
I mean, this is the same argument people used when I say I am anti the Afghan war "You are on the side of the Taliban!".
They, the religions, are already there buddy. They have a 29 catholic school board across Ontario. Recently, they banned "rainbows" from being produced in schools.
Is Northern Shit Shoveler on the case defending gay children from exclusion and abuse, in Ontario Catholic Schools, day after day after day, after day, in thread, after thread, after thread?
Nope. Just like Smith, Ghislane, and Caissa, Northern Shit Shoveler cares "0" about that, as we can tell by his lack of comments on this thread. You were a no show buddy. Muslims though... me oh my,...
Cueball, the topic of these threads has been Muslim prayers at Valley Park School, that is why that religion is mentioned more. The archives are FULL of discussion about the ridiculous situation of Catholic school boards in Ontario, homophobia at Christian schools, etc. Your attacks are so weak. No one here supports JDL or the Hindu group. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association is also protesting this. You can lump me in with them.
I mean, this is the same argument people used when I say I am anti the Afghan war "You are on the side of the Taliban!".
Actually no the CCLA did not take a stand against the boards decision. A representative from the CCLA offered a very equivocal interview about the issue. There is no statement, here is what Zwibel said:
Please don't try and hide your bigotry behind the CCLA. It's amazing how much distortion, prevarication and misinformation you are capable of.
So far you stand with Ron Banerjee.
Wow.
So the most damning thing you have is the fact that I let a thread that was only active for a couple of days slip by unnoticed
I guess my first comment on this issue about religious homophobes doesn't count,
Sorry. Religion does not belong in public schools.
Yes, it was only active for a couple of days. Now, surely, between the four of you who have been legitimizing Banerjee's views as part of reasonable discourse, not one of you zealous defenders of secularism noticed? Not one of you felt the need to post on it daily for a whole month? Really. You are about as observant as Banerjee. Sees Muslims only.
And most appauling there is not a shred of evidence that this Imam has said anything Homophobic at all. Yet the 29 Catholic School Boards ban symbols of gay pride, and you have not noticed. You get all excited by some segregation for half an hour once a week, by Muslims, but the Catholic School board has whole segregated schools, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, for the entire school year.
If it bothered you so much, gee, one would think you would have started a thread on it. But... nope.
Sorry. Religion does not belong in public schools.
That is what Banerjee says. And as they say, if it walks like a duck... it probably is a duck.
People keep saying they 'don't support' the JDL. But they're there, and they're the lead organization fronting this issue. If you 'don't support' the Zio-Nazis of the JDL, then you should perhaps do smething about that. Otherwise your 'support' or 'don't support' aint worth shit.
Actually no the CCLA did not take a stand against the boards decision. A representative from the CCLA offered a very equivocal interview about the issue. There is no statement, here is what Zwibel said:
Please don't try and hide your bigotry behind the CCLA. It's amazing how much distortion, prevarication and misinformation you are capable of.
So far you stand with Ron Banerjee.
Actually, no the CCLA sums up my position quite well. Please stop calling me a bigot (moderators: personal attacks galore here!). My position is that an accomodation of letting kids leave school to attend Friday prayers (which I am written elsewhere) is reasonable. Allowing an Imam to do prayers in the cafeteria during class hours and tell menstruating girls they are unclean is over the line. Other babblers have brought up the permissiion slip issue as problematic as well. The Canadian right is to reasonable accomodation. What is happening here is not reasonable and is violating the gender equity portion of the Education Act. I was a frequent commenter in the threads on abolishing Catholic public schools in Ontario (we don't have anything of the sort in my province and it seems very strange) and I want ALL RELIGION OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
You keep saying that I "stand with Rob Banerjee". Well, what is your response to people saying you stand with the Taliban in your position on the Afghan war? It is the same depraved debating technique. Respond to arguments, not with "you are associated with so and so!".
I'm confused, Cueball. Are you gone or are you back? I want to know if you are actually intending to stay around and be engaged with.
ETA: This thread is full of personal attacks by you Cueball. I hope the moderators take note.
@ Cueball
Interesting how you are shifting the discussion away from the issue, and onto the perceived conduct and reputation of those you disagree with.
Even though I consider your comments baseless smears, what I do or say actually has no bearing on the question of religion in schools. This is not about me.
So sorry. You are barking up the wrong tree.
No it does not "sum up" your position at all. You just contradicted the interview. I don't think you quite get how the CCLA works. They have not taken up this issue. When they do, they issue a "factum", because they are going to go to court. They have done no such thing.
In the statement, she said:
What you said is:
Do you understand the difference between the word "may" and the word "is"? In fact, her statement suggested that it might very well not violate any of those things that you say are being violated because she said "or at least close to it."
Indeed, I highly doubt that the CCLA gives a crap about the education act, because they know that board is right when they say that the "human rights" code supercedes the act. What is important is whether or not the practice conforms to the "human rights" code.
As we see, Zwibel said nothing about the "education act", that is another Banerjee talking point.
They, the religions, are already there buddy. They have a 29 catholic school board across Ontario. Recently, they banned "rainbows" from being produced in schools.
Is Northern Shit Shoveler on the case defending gay children from exclusion and abuse, in Ontario Catholic Schools, day after day after day, after day, in thread, after thread, after thread?
Nope. Just like Smith, Ghislane, and Caissa, Northern Shit Shoveler cares "0" about that, as we can tell by his lack of comments on this thread. You were a no show buddy. Muslims though... me oh my,...
Fuck off asshole.
Come on man! Get to it! Defend women and gay people from the abuses of religion! Start a whole thread about segregation of boy and girls in the Catholic Schools system, and their banning of "rainbows" and "gay-straight" organizations!
Surely, if a single Muslim prayer group operating in a single school for half an hour, once a week in Toronto is worth the thousands of words you have poured into this issue, surely the existence 29 homophobic and sexist Catholic School Board's across all of Ontario is worth a whole book... or maybe even just one thread?
You can do it bro! I know you can!
This thread is going downhill fast. I'm closing it.