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Magoo:    I had to look up the definition of dudgeon.   "High dudgeon" is nice usage of it.

I agree there were insulting things said on all sides.   I don't want to relitigate it here, I said what I thought at the time and I still think it.   My dudgeon is not as high about his comments, true -- ikosmos was vastly outnumbered and I think the tone and example set by the moderator was a key issue.   But he and we all could have been better back then.  

So let's be better now?   

NDPP

US Congress Targets Green Party Candidate Jill Stein Over Allegations and Collusion With Russia

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/12/21/stei-d21.html

"The targeting of Stein is a major intensification of the anti-Russia witch hunt, which, in addition to fighting out factional disputes with the ruling elite, is aimed ultimately at domestic political opposition within the United States. The return of McCarthyism is centered on anti-Russia hysteria, but is part of a broader campaign to censor political opposition in the face of mass social unrest..."

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I agree there were insulting things said on all sides.   I don't want to relitigate it here, I said what I thought at the time and I still think it.   My dudgeon is not as high about his comments, true -- ikosmos was vastly outnumbered and I think the tone and example set by the moderator was a key issue.   But he and we all could have been better back then.

And if he could have been, he'd still be here.

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So let's be better now?

It's totally better now. 

NDPP

'Mistake To Expect Rationality' From RussiaGate Hysterics - Professor

https://youtu.be/MPhYw0YFGAw

"...RussiaGate appears to be little more than bipartisan 'war propaganda', Mark Crispin Miller, media studies professor at NYU tells RT America."

NorthReport

‘Assange’ Doc Suggests Russia Knew In Advance Ed Snowden Would Spy on NSA

 

http://archive.is/T1vQN

NorthReport

dp

NorthReport

Accused Russian spy visited Trudeau’s office on Oct 31

contrarianna

NorthReport wrote:

‘Assange’ Doc Suggests Russia Knew In Advance Ed Snowden Would Spy on NSA

http://archive.is/T1vQN

NorthReport who is not a bot, but behaves as a poorly programmed one, incessantly  reposts without any thought, any fraudulent Trump/Russia/Wikileaks Conspiracy Theory his search engine lands on.

Here, we have him reposting an article from the late defunct and discredited right-wing "Heat Street" from a year ago, alleging that there is documentary evidence Snowden is a Russian spy. "Heat Street" one may recall was edited by Louise Mensch:

 Mensch, as well as her website Heat Street, has published multiple unverified claims, and promoted hoaxes and conspiracy theories about the Trump administration and its ties to the Russian Federation.[9][10] 
wikipedia

The Rise of the Liberal Conspiracy Theorist
Louise Mensch’s loony Trump fantasies fill a craving the left didn’t know it had.

MAY 24, 2017 
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/06/louise-mensch-and-the-rise-o...

and from the Guardian, 

Lurid Trump allegations made by Louise Mensch and co-writer came from hoaxer
Mensch and Claude Taylor tweeted details of criminal inquires that didn’t exist
Hoaxer who fed information said she acted out of frustration over fake news
Taylor issues mea culpa on Twitter after being approached by Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise...

Now there is an important general principle regularly ignored here and elsewhere. It matters little who the leaker is of any SUBSTANTIVE material which is valid and stands on its own, contrary the current habit to redirect attention and vilify any messenger when anything one doesn't like is exposed.

However, what in NR's repost here is alleged to be significant is a constructed backstory by the anonymous writer, "leaker", or agency, with zero evidence, including the unverified contention that the rather pedestrian meeting of political operatives in  Ecuador was, without any evidence, found (by somebody) in a London Ecuador Embassy filed under "Wikileaks". 

The bias reinforced in the article by a writer who puts "whistleblower" in scare quotes when discussing Snowden, along with other factual misrepresentations.

I doubt North Report's fraudulent posts will ever receive the moderator warning to "stop posting propaganda" visited on another poster.

 

 

NorthReport

Your preference of course would be to have RT nonsense here 24/7

Who knew!

Happy Holidays!

NDPP

It appears Snowden has indeed made the Guardian liberal shitlist:

'FSB Trap' Conspiracy Around Snowden App Forces Greenwald To Lecture Guardian's New Moscow Chief

https://on.rt.com/8vi7

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald has schooled The Guardian's newly appointed Moscow bureau chief after he 'accidentally' joined a chorus of hysteria which mocked Edward Snowden's new security app as an 'FSB trap.' Continuing in the vein of MSM coverage of Russia, journalist Andrew Roth was quick to jump on the bandwagon after a tweet by the Russian Embassy in Canada highlighting Edward Snowden's new app 'Haven' was trolled..."

Perhaps the locals should consider downloading Snowden's nifty new security app. While they have been consumed by MSM weapons of mass distraction and Russophrenia, big brother right at home has been busy...

Court Ruling Allows Canadian Spies To Conduct Mass Surveillance of Cellphones

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/12/22/csis-d22.html

NorthReport

On and on it goes.

RUSSIA WANTS AMERICANS TO DOUBT MUELLER, EXPERTS WARN

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-wants-americans-doubt-mueller-experts-war...

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

Jill Stein Explains Putin Picture Once & For All

https://youtu.be/30WkhbtWvXs

Jill Stein's Strategy To Coalesce The Left

https://youtu.be/8PtBRU3FqcI

 

From Snowden To Russiagate - The CIA and the Media

https://t.co/xjbpM767WW

"None of the Russia-gate stories so far has held up to scrutiny. There is no proof at all, nor reasonable evidence, that Russia interfered in elections in the US or elsewhere. There is no evidence of 'collusion'..."

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Jill Stein's Strategy To Coalesce The Left

Shame she couldn't have come up with this two years ago.

NorthReport

Bernstein has a bit of background on 'tainted' Presidents.

Watergate reporter lambastes GOP’s ‘deep state’ whining: The FBI isn’t ‘tainted’ — Trump is

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/watergate-reporter-lambastes-gops-deep-...

NorthReport

Who knew!

Robert Mueller May Indict Paul Manafort Again

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-mueller-may-indict-paul-manafort-ag...

josh

The first email arrived in the inbox of CounterPunch, a left-leaning American news and opinion website, at 3:26 a.m. — the middle of the day in Moscow.

“Hello, my name is Alice Donovan and I’m a beginner freelance journalist,” read the Feb. 26, 2016, message.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kremlin-trolls-burned-across-the-internet-as-washington-debated-options/2017/12/23/e7b9dc92-e403-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html?utm_term=.23b269bdbdc0

NDPP

Go Ask Alice: the Curious Case of 'Alice Donovan'

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/25/go-ask-alice-the-curious-case-of...

"Who the hell is Alice Donovan? Why is the FBI spying on American journalists? Conjecture builds on conjecture and still doesn't add up to something entirely whole..."

NorthReport

Surprise, guess who didn't make the list!

 

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/913493115176050688

NorthReport

Has anyone heard of Alice Donovan?

Kremlin trolls burned across the Internet as Washington debated options

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/kremlin-trolls-burned-across-the-interne...

NDPP

*Must Read* (Especially after Louise Mensch...)

The Strangelovian Russiagate Myth   -  by Phil Rockstroh

https://www.newcoldwar.org/strangelovian-russiagate-myth/

"...Yet, somehow, in regard to Russia-gate, liberals display scant-to-zip skepticism towards the stories peddled by this unelected, unaccountable clutch of hyper-authoritarian prevaricators. In fact, they are, in a cringe-worthy spectacle, allowing themselves to be played like Dollar-Store kazoos."

 

NorthReport

No wonder Mensch is No 3 on the Russian list. The truth hurts.

This is kinda old news as Mensch posted about it months ago. And this is usually par for the course. Mensch reports on it from her seemingly quite credible sources, then eventually it makes it way to the mainstream media.

MUELLER INVESTIGATION: DID TRUMP, KUSHNER AND RNC HELP RUSSIA USE BIG DATA TO TARGET U.S. VOTERS?

http://www.newsweek.com/mueller-investigation-trump-kushner-rnc-data-us-...

NDPP

"...The Democrats have been struggling to come to grips with how they lost to Donald Trump. A large part of the party is in denial, blaming their failures on the fiction of Russiagate - claiming the Russians were responsible for their loss rather than a widely-disliked candidate who represented Wall Street and war for her entire career. The Democrats continue their internal divide..."

Preparing For The Coming Transformation   -   by Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers

https://popularresistance.org/newsletter-preparing-for-the-coming-transf...

 

josh

But the sources familiar with the probe say that such a rapid conclusion is — as one put it — “fanciful.” Mueller and his team, they say, are pursuing new leads, interrogating new witnesses and collecting a mountain of new evidence, including subpoenaed bank records and thousands of emails from the campaign and the Trump transition.

In just the last few weeks, his prosecutors have begun questioning Republican National Committee staffers about the party digital operation that worked with the Trump campaign to target voters in key swing states. They are seeking to determine if the joint effort was related to the activities of Russian trolls and bots aimed at influencing the American electorate, according to two of the sources.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mueller-probe-outgrows-witch-hunt-phase-100045988.html

NorthReport

It is easy to see why Mensch is disliked by you know who, eh!

https://twitter.com/counterchekist/status/946460939318153219

WWWTT

Ok I don’t get where the posters are going with this thread?  There’s posters here that think Russia helping trump win election is BS story or the opposite?  Or posters from both opinions debating in this thread.  I’m kind of hesitant to make any more recent comments in this thread because I’m not sure where everyone stands. Thanks

NDPP

What We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Russian Hacking   

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n01/jackson-lears/what-we-dont-talk-about-when...

"American politics have rarely presented a more disheartening spectacle..."

josh

WWWTT wrote:

Ok I don’t get where the posters are going with this thread?  There’s posters here that think Russia helping trump win election is BS story or the opposite?  Or posters from both opinions debating in this thread.  I’m kind of hesitant to make any more recent comments in this thread because I’m not sure where everyone stands. Thanks

Both.

NDPP

The New Hysteria on Kremlin Trolls   -   by Virginia Tilley

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/29/the-new-hysteria-on-kremlin-trolls/

"...For those who jumped on the Russophobia bandwagon because they hate President Trump, challenging the narrative of Russian subversion only buys into bogus White House denials and threatens a hoped-for avenue to his delegitimization and potential impeachment. For those old cold warriors who can't imagine the earth without a Russian threat, resistance to the narrative imperils both the American Republic (for which the Russians are always the Evil Other, whatever they do) and an associated package of bloated defense contracts. Liberals, doves, hawks and conservatives are finding common ground here.

 A more dangerous confluence could hardly be imagined, as it combines forces normally in healthy opposition to each other in conspiring toward one grim end: a terrible and pointless clash with Russia..."

Fake News 2017

https://on.rt.com/8vvh

josh

NDPP wrote:

The New Hysteria on Kremlin Trolls   -   by Virginia Tilley

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/29/the-new-hysteria-on-kremlin-trolls/

"...For those who jumped on the Russophobia bandwagon because they hate President Trump, challenging the narrative of Russian subversion only buys into bogus White House denials and threatens a hoped-for avenue to his delegitimization and potential impeachment. For those old cold warriors who can't imagine the earth without a Russian threat, resistance to the narrative imperils both the American Republic (for which the Russians are always the Evil Other, whatever they do) and an associated package of bloated defense contracts. Liberals, doves, hawks and conservatives are finding common ground here.

 A more dangerous confluence could hardly be imagined, as it combines forces normally in healthy opposition to each other in conspiring toward one grim end: a terrible and pointless clash with Russia..."

Fake News 2017

https://on.rt.com/8vvh

 

Hmm.  Maybe Russia should have thought of that before they endeavored to throw the election to Trump.

Unionist

Finally - the big exposure of Alice Donovan - in a transcript of a phone call between her and the chief honcho of CounterPunch! Don't know how Putin will recover from this:

Alice Doesn’t Live There Anymore: a Wake Up Call

 

 

NorthReport
josh
contrarianna

NorthReport wrote:

It is easy to see why Mensch is disliked by you know who, eh!

https://twitter.com/counterchekist/status/946460939318153219

If you added a "wink, wink" to your "eh"  and another "!" , your rational argument would be perfect.

It's understandable that you who can only post in the most simplistic, tribalistic "us" or "them", would come to the defense of vile Mensch based solely on the fact that some Republican wretches don't like her--and ignore the many mainstream sources that dismantle her fact-free conspiracy theories. 

For you, it's so much easier not to ever have look at what someone like Mench actually says and represents. That might actually require critical thought.

Mensch includes in her conspiracy theory the "Russian Agents" Bernie Sanders (and, of course, Jill Stein) -- no problem for NorthReport.
Mensch:

On Bernie Sanders, who definitively is a traitor in league with @PutinRF, Im mildly surprised to see tweeps missing the obvious #TadDevine

To prove that Mensch is post-worthy, all you need to do is find a designated enemy that doesn't like her and she is automatically  A-OK.  

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It's understandable that you who can only post in the most simplistic, tribalistic "us" or "them"

Contrarianna, when you post, do you think it's mostly in favour of "us"? Or "them"? or do you feel that most of your posts are split between "us" and "them" depending on the facts?

contrarianna

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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It's understandable that you who can only post in the most simplistic, tribalistic "us" or "them"

Contrarianna, when you post, do you think it's mostly in favour of "us"? Or "them"? or do you feel that most of your posts are split between "us" and "them" depending on the facts?

Magoo, when you post,  do you think of these guys as mere amatures?

'Look, a Bird!' Trolling by Distraction
Rather than debating critics directly, the Chinese government tries to derail conversation on social media it views as dangerous.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/01/trolling-by-distr...

Unionist

Thanks for introducing some common sense, contrarianna.

NDPP

TRNN: As Russian Election Begins, Will Russiagate End? (and vid)

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20806:As-Russian-Election-Begins%2C-Will...

TRNN: "You were recently in Russia. You study the country closely, how are Russians, the ones you speak to, looking at this national obsession here in the US [and so automatically imitated by Canada] and this widespread view that it was their President Putin, who got Donald Trump elected?

Prof Stephen Cohen: "Well, the anecdotal wise-guy view in Russia is 'They can't fix the roads but they could choose the American president.' In other words, utter disdain for this story..."

 

The Abyss Between Russian and US Media Just Got Wider    -    by Nadezhda Azhgikhina

https://www.thenation.com/article/azhgikhina-on-russiagate-and-all-that/

"...Russiagate managed in a few months to strike a much stronger blow against the prospects of improving relations than all the years of the Cold War and the arms race together. The worst part is that trust is lost between the people and the intellectuals of both countries. One can now say to an audience of millions what until recently was considered unthinkable.  The concepts of decency and measure have been cast aside. The battlefield belongs to moral marauders. Today, everyday people hate the virtual enemy seriously and emotionally. I don't remember ever witnessing such anti-American sentiment in Russian society in my entire life..."

NDPP

Did Russiagate Just Escalate Ukraine's War?

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20807:Did-Russiagate-Just-Escalate-Ukrai...

"President Trump [and Canada!] has agreed to arm the Ukrainian military in its fight with Russian-backed forces in the Donbass region...' Prof Stephen Cohen:

"But here's what really worries me, Aaron. The government, the regime in Kiev, which we support, is a very sick, if not dying, regime. It has no popularity. What democracy exists in the country is greatly endangered by armed neo-fascist battalions that hate Poroshenko as much as they hate Russia. To give such a government, that might be in its death agonies, weapons...Stop and think, historically, what stricken governments do to try to save themselves. They go to war."

josh
josh

“You realise where this is going,” he is quoted as saying. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner … It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff

NDPP

BAR: Democrats' Russiagate Smear Campaign (and podcast)

https://blackagendareport.com/index.php/democrats-russiagate-smear-campaign

"Jill Stein, the Green Party's presidential 2016 candidate has been targeted by the Senate Select Intelligence Committee 'to undermine and smear any third party' challenges to Democrats in 2018 and 2020, said her vice presidential running mate Ajamu Baraka. 

The issue is not Stein's appearance on RT, the Russian news channel, said Baraka, but using RT as an entry point to reduce the range of information and analysis that's available, not only to the public in the US, but to the global public."

NorthReport

Money Laundering?

Fusion GPS founders: The Steele Dossier is a lot more important than you may think

The founders of the research firm Fusion GPS discuss why they hired Christopher Steele and what he discovered

 

 

 

The former journalists who founded the research firm Fusion GPS — which hired British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to investigate potential collusion between Donald Trump and the Russian government — are defending their work against Republican attacks.

"Republicans have refused to release full transcripts of our firm’s testimony, even as they selectively leak details to media outlets on the far right. It’s time to share what our company told investigators," explained Glenn R. Simpson and Peter Fritsch in an op-ed in The New York Times.

After describing how Trump, congressional Republicans and conservative media outlets had all tried to discredit their work, Simpson and Fritsch pointed out that "our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau [FBI] had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp."

https://www.salon.com/2018/01/03/fusion-gps-founders-the-steele-dossier-...

NDPP

Reasons To Doubt The Veracity of the 'Steele Dossier' on Trump Are Still Emerging   -   by Danielle Ryan

https://on.rt.com/8vqc

"...It's important to note that Tablet's investigation into Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier is not supposed to be a hit job on Hillary Clinton. Nor is its aim to exonerate Trump of any and all wrongdoing. It simply is what it is: a deep dive into how the Steele dossier came about and the timeline of events leading up to its publication...and Smith's investigation for Tablet deserves to be read in its entirety to understand the scale of the potential deception that has underpinned Russiagate..."

NorthReport
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Richard Nixon, 1973: "I'm not a crook."

Donald Trump, 2018: "I'm a very stable genius."

josh

Who knew he was Fredo.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHXHtHSsNo

 

NDPP

TRNN: Max Blumenthal on 'Fire and Fury', Clinton Probe and Russiagate (and vid)

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20862:Max-Blumenthal-on-'Fire-and-Fury'%2C-Clinton-Probe%2C-and-Russiagate

"...The whole Israel collusion thing is ignored. [Curiously it almost always is...] The whole narrative is imploding. Unfortunately, it's not being criticized or looked at in the American main-stream media. The other ricochet effect of Russiagate is that the forces that initiated this 'Trump-Russia collusion' are starting to experience blowback, particularly the Clinton campaign. The latest episode is the FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation..."

NDPP

Confirmed: Mueller Admits No Collusion At Trump Tower Meeting

https://t.co/ZEQP5djosS

"Sources within Mueller investigation confirm Veselnitskaya/ Trump Jr meeting no longer seen as evidence of Trump/Russia collusion."

josh

NDPP wrote:

Confirmed: Mueller Admits No Collusion At Trump Tower Meeting

https://t.co/ZEQP5djosS

"Sources within Mueller investigation confirm Veselnitskaya/ Trump Jr meeting no longer seen as evidence of Trump/Russia collusion."

Mueller’s team is less interested in the meeting as a direct example of collusion, the sources said, although Trump Jr. accepted the meeting after being told he would receive incriminating information about Hillary Clinton as part of the Russian government effort to help his father.

No evidence has emerged publicly to contradict Veselnitskaya’s account that she wanted to press a case about U.S. Magnitsky Act sanctions, and that she did not possess significant derogatory information about Clinton, despite the email from a music promoter to Trump Jr. promising incriminating details about the Democrat.

"less interested"  Some interest.

not a "direct example."  An indirect example, i.e., tying in with other direct examples.

"did not possess significant derogatory information."  Possessed derogatory information.

NDPP

How 'Russiagate' Helped Secure A Dangerous Arms Deal

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/russiagate-helped-secure-dangerous-arm...

"Overall I see this discussion [on Trump-Russia-collusion] as fitting within a broader effort by people within the national security bureacracy to box in on Ukraine..."

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