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josh

Nice try.  Republican lawmakers. 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

josh wrote:

Nice try.  Republican lawmakers. 

And the craziest of the crazies at that.

josh

Yes, but the friend of my friend is my friend.

NDPP

On the Criminal Referral of Comey, Clinton et al: Will the Constitution Hold and the Media Continue to Suppress the Story?

https://t.co/CiafNz4zBh

"Ray McGovern reports on a major development in the Russia-gate story ignored by corporate media: a criminal referral to the DOJ against Hillary Clinton, James Comey and others, exposing yet again how established media suppresses news it doesn't like..."

josh

Members of Congress don’t have the authority to make criminal referrals.  Only law enforcement may do that.  That is what just happened with. McCabe.  So it’s a total misnomer.  But that won’t stop the Russian-Republican alliance from incorrectly describing what those 11 far right Republicans did.

NDPP

Democrats Escalate Anti-Russia Witch Hunt With Lawsuit Linking Trump and Assange as Russian Agents

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/04/21/dems-a21.html

"The lawsuit repeats the absurd narrative that Clinton lost the election because of Russian interference. In fact, she lost because she ran a right-wing campaign as the candidate of the political and military/intelligence establishment and masses of workers were disgusted with the Democrats after 8 years of Obama.

The legal filing and the accompanying statements by DNC Chairman Tom Perez have the stench of a McCarthyite-style witch hunt, with Russia substituted for the Soviet Union as the foreign enemy against whom all patriotic Americans must unite..."

 

voice of the damned

The trots wrote:

In fact, she lost because she ran a right-wing campaign as the candidate of the political and military/intelligence establishment and masses of workers were disgusted with the Democrats after 8 years of Obama.

So, then why didn't those masses of disgusted workers vote Green, if they were so put off by the right-wing policies of Obama/Clinton?

I agree that you can't blame the alleged Russian interference for the overall Democratic loss(whether it's legally actionable is another story), because people still had to make the decision to believe the crap being spewed by the Russian spammers, and most of those people were probably inclined that way to begin with.

But for the trots to pretend that the vast majority of Republican or stay-at-home animosity toward Clinton was motivated by the same beliefs that motivate the WSWS' hatred of Clinton is just fantasyland. You're seriosualy not living in the real world, if that's what you think.

This is far closer to the popular critique of the Democratic Party than anything on the WSWS...

https://tinyurl.com/yawbvncc

(Possibly NSFW)

 

 

 

 

 

 

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/bnFfLIReqvw

"Chris Hayes' journalistic malpractice over DNC, Wikileaks lawsuit."

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Green Party's Jill Stein: Russiagate Being Exploited to Repress Leftist Opposition

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has completed turning her campaign materials to the Senate Intelligence Committee, and warns Russiagate is being used to silent dissent.

NDPP

'No Collusion'

https://on.rt.com/946e

'Redacted US House report on Russia released, officially clears Trump."

NDPP

The Double Russia Conspiracy Trap

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/27/the-double-russia-conspiracy-trap/

"The RussiaGate conspiracy drama is a double-edged damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't trap for people on the portside. The perils of signing on to the storyline are clear as day to any self-respecting leftist. Five come to mind off the top of my head..."

josh
NDPP

"Jill Stein is on New Day right now repeating Russian talking points on its interference in the 2016 election and on US foreign policy." - CNN

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/991292250184470531

Jill Stein is Putin's slave too! CNN says so!

Mobo2000

Josh:   Have there been leaks directly from the Mueller investigation before?   Is this a new thing?   Seems to me it's a new thing but I have not been following closely.

josh

Mobo2000 wrote:

Josh:   Have there been leaks directly from the Mueller investigation before?   Is this a new thing?   Seems to me it's a new thing but I have not been following closely.

 

The leak didn't come from Mueller.  The questions were provided to Trump's attorneys.

Mobo2000

Well, that's what CNN said, and they also said they didn't get it from Trump's attorneys.  Curious do you think this leak hurts Trump or helps the investigation?   I get why CNN would report on the leak, they want clicks and ratings, but it seems this is likely to further the right's narrative that it is a politically compromised witchhunt.   One could reasonably expect an investigation of the current President might be conducted confidentially, no?   I know we differ on this issue generally, but I am curious what your take is on how this affects American opinion on the investigation.

josh

The Times received the information.  A likely effort by Trump's side to leak the information and then try to blame it on Mueller.  That strategy doesn't seemed to have worked.  Meanwhile,

In a tense meeting in early March with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, President Trump’s lawyers insisted he had no obligation to talk with federal investigators probing Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.

But Mueller responded that he had another option if Trump declined: He could issue a subpoena for the president to appear before a grand jury, according to four people familiar with the encounter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-raised-possibility-of-presidential-subpoena-in-meeting-with-trumps-legal-team/2018/05/01/2bdec08e-4d51-11e8-af46-b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?utm_term=.c376611b96c8

josh
Mobo2000

Hmm that's curious, if Trump's team leaked they would do so thinking it would help their position in the public's opinion.   Here's the latest poll I could find on American opinion about the investigation:

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/17/603039236/npr-marist-poll-gop-dems-divide...
 

"Overall, the former FBI director's favorability ratings have dropped over the past month as Trump and other Republicans have ratcheted up their attacks on Mueller and his ongoing probe. There's been a net-negative swing of 11 points over the past month, with 32 percent of all Americans holding a favorable view toward Mueller, 30 percent viewing him unfavorably, and a 38 percent plurality still not knowing enough to have an opinion."

"Democratic views of the FBI have remained about the same in the past few months, but there's been a major uptick among independents, too, who think the FBI is biased against Trump. Today, 62 percent of those polled say the FBI is just doing its job while 30 percent say it's biased against the president. That's a 22-point swing from February, when almost three-quarters of independents said the FBI was just doing their job and only 20 percent thought it was biased against the Trump administration."

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Mobo2000 wrote:

Hmm that's curious, if Trump's team leaked they would do so thinking it would help their position in the public's opinion.

One idea I have read is that the leak was done by Trump's lawyers in hopes of discouraging him from recklessly submitting to an interview with FBI interrogators, which he apparently is inclined to do. It seems Trump truly believes that he is a very stable genius, and that he will outsmart Mueller's team in any interview. Crazy, but that's Trump for you.

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

"Jill Stein is on New Day right now repeating Russian talking points on its interference in the 2016 election and on US foreign policy." - CNN

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/991292250184470531

Jill Stein is Putin's slave too! CNN says so!

Well, more precisely, a reporter who works for CNN says so as a personal opinion on his twitter account.

josh

Special counsel Robert Mueller is focusing intensely on alleged interactions between former top Trump campaign official Rick Gates and political operative Roger Stone, one of President Donald Trump's closest confidants, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/03/mueller-focuses-on-links-between-roger-stone-trump-campaign-aide-gates.html

NDPP

 How the 'Trump-Russia Collusion' Sausage Gets Made

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/261158/trump-russia-co...

"...The story is now coming into focus with the recent release of seven government documents that together detail a working partnership between spy agencies and the press that helped a political attack meme go viral, even though the evidence on which it was based was demonstrably false. While this type of relationship - let's call it collusion - may be routine in Third World countries, it does not bode well for the health of the American press or our democratic institutions..."

NDPP

'C'mon, Man!' Judge Accuses Mueller Investigation of Overreach With Manafort

https://on.rt.com/94m7

"Federal judge accuses Mueller investigation into Trump-Russia of 'lying' and squeezing Manafort on previously dropped 2006 banking allegations to get him to 'sing' on Trump. Ellis accused Mueller's team of 'not really telling the truth' about their probe into Manafort. 'C'mon,   man! said Ellis..."

What, they couldn't find a nice bought-off Dem judge to grant them their fishing license or does the evil and all powerful Putin control the US courts as well?

NorthReport

No matter what this loose cannon rules it will be almost immediately overturned .

josh

NDPP wrote:

'C'mon, Man!' Judge Accuses Mueller Investigation of Overreach With Manafort

https://on.rt.com/94m7

"Federal judge accuses Mueller investigation into Trump-Russia of 'lying' and squeezing Manafort on previously dropped 2006 banking allegations to get him to 'sing' on Trump. Ellis accused Mueller's team of 'not really telling the truth' about their probe into Manafort. 'C'mon,   man! said Ellis..."

What, they couldn't find a nice bought-off Dem judge to grant them their fishing license or does the evil and all powerful Putin control the US courts as well?

LOL.  Love it when the Russians and the Republicans grasp at the same straw.

josh

Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have questioned a Russian oligarch about hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments his company's US affiliate made to President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, after the election, according to a source familiar with the matter.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/politics/robert-mueller-russian-oligarch-payments-michael-cohen/index.html

NDPP

In fact, the 'Russian oligarch',  Vicktor Vekselberg is  Jewish-born Ukrainian actually. 

josh

“Columbus Nova, a company whose U.S. chief executive, Andrew Intrater, and Russian investment partner Viktor Vekselberg have both reportedly been interviewed by special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, is listed as the registrant behind a handful of domains for websites named after the alt-right that were created during the /2016 election.”

https://politicalwire.com/2018/05/10/company-that-hired-cohen-behind-alt-right-websites

josh

“The Senate Intelligence Committee says the U.S. intelligence community was correct in assessing that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. elections with the aim of helping Donald Trump, contradicting findings House Republicans reached last month,” the Washington Post reports.

https://politicalwire.com/2018/05/16/senate-intelligence-committee-breaks-with-house/

NDPP

BIG trouble in little China. Deripaska is no ordinary Russian oligarch. VERY well connected including to Putin AND the Clintons. Watch Mueller steer away from this one FAST.

Mueller May Have A Conflict - And it Leads Directly To A Russian Oligarch

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflic...

"...The State Department declined comment and a spokesman for Clinton did not offer comment. Mueller's spokesman, Peter Carr, declined to answer questions. As did McCabe. 

The FBI rewarded Deripaska  for his help. And since 2011, he has been granted entry at least eight times on a diplomatic passport, even though he doesn't work for the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Deripaska once hired Manafort as a political adviser and invested money with him in a business venture that went bad. Deripaska sued Manafort, alleging he stole money. Mueller's indictment of Manafort makes no mention of Deripaska, even though prosecutors have evidence..."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

BIG trouble in little China. Deripaska is no ordinary Russian oligarch. VERY well connected including to Putin AND the Clintons. Watch Mueller steer away from this one FAST.

Mueller May Have A Conflict - And it Leads Directly To A Russian Oligarch

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflic...

"...The State Department declined comment and a spokesman for Clinton did not offer comment. Mueller's spokesman, Peter Carr, declined to answer questions. As did McCabe. 

The FBI rewarded Deripaska  for his help. And since 2011, he has been granted entry at least eight times on a diplomatic passport, even though he doesn't work for the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Deripaska once hired Manafort as a political adviser and invested money with him in a business venture that went bad. Deripaska sued Manafort, alleging he stole money. Mueller's indictment of Manafort makes no mention of Deripaska, even though prosecutors have evidence..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Solomon#Reception

NDPP

Why not wiki Louise Mensch? Doesn't matter, right?  Anyway, here's more on Deripaska. And Hillary, from her own emails  -  thanks, Julian Assange, thanks WikiLeaks! No wonder they've been cast into the outer darkness eh...?

John Helmer: Did Hillary Clinton Take Money From Russia Oligarch Oleg Deripaska for a Favor in the General Motors - Opel Deal?

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/09/john-helmer-did-hillary-clinton-...

"There are significant disclosures on Clinton's involvement in Deripaska's bid to buy the Opel car works. Russian involvement as the prime mover and beneficiary of the deal was a secret in the secret Clinton emails..."

josh

Oh, so the Russians are bad if the gave Clinton support, but going after their connection to Trump is a witchhunt?  Thanks, Donnie.

NDPP

Who Framed President Putin? CIA Veteran Hints at Culprit, Slams Senate-Backed 'Collusion'

https://on.rt.com/95hc

"...Based on his 55-year experience of analysis of Russian politicians, McGovern ridiculed the nation that Putin somehow helped place Trump in office. McGovern blamed the US media and politicians for continuing to focus on the issue just to score points and boost results in the upcoming mid-term elections.

'When you look at the particulars, no one hacked into the Democratic National Committee on July 5th, for which we have metadata. That was not a hack. It was a download on a little thumb drive,' McGovern said.

'It seems to me, and more importantly to my colleagues of more technical bent - two former technical directors of the National Security Agency, that if you look for somebody interfering in the US election, it's not Russia, it is people who wanted Hillary Clinton to win.'

The one side that definitely benefits from the situation is the military industrial complex..."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Who Framed President Putin? CIA Veteran Hints at Culprit, Slams Senate-Backed 'Collusion'

https://on.rt.com/95hc

"...Based on his 55-year experience of analysis of Russian politicians, McGovern ridiculed the nation that Putin somehow helped place Trump in office. McGovern blamed the US media and politicians for continuing to focus on the issue just to score points and boost results in the upcoming mid-term elections.

'When you look at the particulars, no one hacked into the Democratic National Committee on July 5th, for which we have metadata. That was not a hack. It was a download on a little thumb drive,' McGovern said.

'It seems to me, and more importantly to my colleagues of more technical bent - two former technical directors of the National Security Agency, that if you look for somebody interfering in the US election, it's not Russia, it is people who wanted Hillary Clinton to win.'

The one side that definitely benefits from the situation is the military industrial complex..."

Who get everything they want from Trump.

NDPP

Agreed.

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