Libya 23: Aftermath
December 6, 2011 - 10:10am
continued from Libya 22: Aftermath
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Britain And Allies [Canada] Used WMD in Libya
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/214155.html
"What we...did not understand was the fact that the final outcome had nothing to do with saving lives but rather to get their hands on Libya's vast, lucrative natural resources. The entire campaign became a total blood bath that would leave over 50,000 dead and many, many thousands of innocent Libyan civilians would become contaminated with radiation from the weapons used by the coalition forces.
The active use of Weapons of Mass Destrution (WMD0 has basically killed the genetics of Libya, adjacent countries and the world beyond by its over excessive use of depleted uranium (DU) weapons..."
Britain And Allies [Canada] Used WMD in Libya
No they didn't.
of course they didn't it was a humanitarian intervention to bring democracy to Libya right? I mean even the NDP supported it for goodness sakes...
Depleted Uranium on Libya
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_uranium50.htm
NATO Using Depleted Uranium in Libya (and vid)
http://rt.com/usa/news/nato-depleted-uranium-libya/
Depleted Uranium - UN Resolutions:
The Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities,
Guided by the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenants on Human Rights and the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and the Additional Protocols thereto,
Recalling General Assembly resolutions 42/99 of 7 December 1987 and 43/111 of 8 December 1988 reaffirming that all people have an inherent right to life,
Concerned at the alleged use of weapons of mass or indiscriminate destruction both against members of the armed forces and against civilian populations, resulting in death, misery and disability,
Concerned also at repeated reports on the long-term consequences of the use of such weapons upon human life and health and upon the environment,
Concerned further that the physical effects on the environment, the debris from the use of such weapons, either alone or in combination, and abandoned contaminated equipment constitute a serious danger to life,
Convinced that the production, sale and use of such weapons are incompatible with international human rights and humanitarian law,
Believing that continued efforts must be undertaken to sensitize public opinion to the inhuman and indiscriminate effects of such weapons and to the need for their complete elimination,
Convinced that the production, sale and use of such weapons are incompatible with the promotion and maintenance of international peace and security,
1. Urges all States to be guided in their national policies by the need to curb the production and the spread of weapons of mass destruction or with indiscriminate effect, in particular nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, fuel-air bombs, napalm, cluster bombs, biological weaponry and weaponry containing depleted uranium;
For slumberjack and NDPP,
The only weapons used by Canada in Libya were the GBU10 and GBU12, and FYI they don't contain depleted uranium.
also sidewinders and AMRAAMs early on...
"Canadian uranium is basically providing the material for those DU weapons and I really would ask you to make this an issue..." Dr. Rosalie Bertell, DU expert
Zangetna Issues URGENT APPEAL on Behalf of Saif Al Islam Gaddafi
http://libya360.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/zangetna-issue-urgent-appeal-on...
A Request to All Human Rights Groups
"We are in a desperate situation with our hero Saif Islam and his condition in captivity. He is being subjected to daily torture as well as being denied medical treatment for the gangrene infected hand. They fear he is being allowed to slowly die and ask human rights organizations to intervene on his behalf and remove him from Zintan and take him to a safe place.."
http://www.amnesty.org/en/contact
please contact your MP and urge action/attention
New Libya: Guns Go Silent But Future Elusive(and vid)
http://rt.com/news/new-libya-future-elusive-209/
"...we had free education and healthcare under Gaddafi. Of course we expect it to remain free, but it also needs to be improved. The new authorities also have to decrease prices and raise salaries so that ordinary people can enjoy all the benefits of the revolution..'
Yet exactly how the new government can afford to do so in a country ruined by war and stripped of much of its budgetary income is anybody's guess. The 42 years of Gaddafi's rule taught Libyans to rely on their government for just about everything, and the level of expectations on the new authorities is very high.."
also sidewinders and AMRAAMs early on...
The CF never used those missiles. They were carried but never fired.
For slumberjack and NDPP,
The only weapons used by Canada in Libya were the GBU10 and GBU12, and FYI they don't contain depleted uranium.
What Canadian weapons systems do use DU? We don't have, um, A-10s or gunships or whatever do we? And do you have an opinion on DU in terms of hazardous material status?
Hey Merowe. The CF doesn't use DU weapons. There are systems with DU in them and only used as a counterweight. For example the CT114, the plane the Snowbirds fly, uses DU counterweights in the rudder and elevator.
From what I've read it's nasty stuff, both short term and long term. It's main use in weapons is as a penetrator in tank shells, so that's the short term. The long term comes from breathing in the dust. Gulf War Syndrome is thought to originate in part from exposure to DU. Then it gets into the food chain and contaminates the people living in the area, so it's similar to Fukushima.
It's real bad. This will get you started:
Dr. Doug Rokke on DU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-VkpR-wka8
The argument about not owning or using stockpiles of DU munitions can't be described as valid one if it is being put forward as a claim to some highground, especially in an alliance where the 'burdens' are shared, and where we reap the tactical benefits as partners of those who do employ them.
I agree. Canada soiled themselves in a serious warcrime in Libya and the whole world knows it. As usual it's only some of the locals who don't...
The argument about not owning or using stockpiles of DU munitions can't be described as valid one if it is being put forward as a claim to some highground, especially in an alliance where the 'burdens' are shared, and where we reap the tactical benefits as partners of those who do employ them.
Not just our partners but everyone else.
Canada's military doesn't use DU weapons, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, land mines, biological weapons, dum dum rounds, white phosphorus, or exotics (sonic, microwave, etc). All of the above are used (or at least owned) by various NATO nations as well as Russia, Israel, Pakistan, China, India, North Korea, and others.
I agree. Canada soiled themselves in a serious warcrime in Libya and the whole world knows it. As usual it's only some of the locals who don't...
There were no war crimes committed by Canada in Libya. From my vantage point any claims of Libyan war crimes should be directed towards Gadhafi.
Sixteen Things Libya Will Never See Again...
TNC's Al-CIA'da leader apologizes for lack of border security with Tunisia
LIbya and the Infamy of Freedom and Democracy
http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2011/12/libya-and-the-infamy-of-freedom-and-d...
"The scholar on the other side of the phone left Libya for Algeria for the phone conversation with nsnbc and still he is muffling his voice. 'Why have I been so stupid?' he says blaming himself for joining the initial anti government protests in Libya.
'We were blinded by a well organized propaganda machine, blinded by our greed and envy of the neighbour who had a little more than we had, blinded by the belief that Democracy meant even more freedom and justice than what we already had. We were so indoctrinated by Western Propaganda that we tended to believe that being European was something special, something privileged, something we wanted to be.
As if importing the failures of the socioeconomic and political model that was collapsing in Europe would bring us freedom and prosperity. This was the dumbest case of African and Arab self-destruction.."
Libya On the Verge of Chaos and Civil War - Experts
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/12/12/62092662.html
"Warnings from experts are coming true. Libya is being pulled into a civil war. Now anti-Gaddafists are carving up power and Libya's capital of Tripoli is already seeing clashes as the rebels are fighting for the local airport..."
Libya Still Under Arms
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/13/libya-still-under-arms/
"...So after eight months of a conflict that western leaders are still reluctant to describe as a civil war, the protection of the civilian population - NATO's justification for joining the war - is still far from assured...
Libyan Kids: New Values for 'Green' Minds (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/libya-education-school-children-751/
"Libya's record high 90% literacy rate, one of the undeniable achievements of the ousted Colonel Gaddafi, is now being challenged by the controversial education policies of the new leaders..."
The New York Times is to be commended for continuing its reportage from Libya. From what I've been reading the country is gleefully chaotic, but like the New Year's Day 3PM realization that the party's over, its people are starting to rebuild a society.
Wish them luck.
A Capital Transforms, for Better and for Worse
Tripoli is a vibrant city of nearly two million people with a bustling port, and it is graced by Roman ruins and old fortification walls built by the Ottomans and other conquerors. But while it has gone through other abrupt changes over the centuries, what is happening these days was unthinkable only weeks ago when Colonel Qaddafi tried to control even the smallest details of daily life.
Tinted windows were prohibited on cars; now, drivers everywhere are pasting dark green tinted plastic on their windows to keep out the searing sun but also as a sign of their new liberty. Fruit and vegetable vendors were restricted from selling their wares on most streets; now, throngs of them are out selling bananas and oranges beneath highway overpasses and on the sides of traffic circles, helping them feed their families but also worsening congestion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/world/africa/in-tripoli-libya-a-trans...
AQIM: We are like "that" and even BFF with NATO Qa'eda thanks NATO friendlies profusely and publicly for gifts of weapons
And Merry Christmas to you, too, al-Qa'eda!
Never forget.
The New York Times is to be commended for continuing its reportage from Libya. From what I've been reading the country is gleefully chaotic, but like the New Year's Day 3PM realization that the party's over, its people are starting to rebuild a society.
Wish them luck
"gleefully chaotic.." that's a good one!
You kill me...
Shhhh! Our boys are on loan to Conoco and BP and may not be aware of it. An errand boy, sent by grocery clerks... to collect a bill.
Harper has no boys apparently.
Well that does it! I can't vote for a party that voted for a no-fly zone, either. Better keep the troops in the Stan another 10 years, or whenever Uncle Sam instructs our Libertories to remove them. A pair of proven vicious toadie parties in-hand is certainly worth more than one no-fly zone at a time when Gadaffi announced to the world that he ordered his military to show no mercy for Libyans. And even though the Socialist International refused to back Gadaffi themselves.
Better safe than sorry I suppose. Good call.
Any 'Socialist International' that would have the NDP as a member is more International Socialist than Socialist International in any case - hardly a credible citation. Didn't they attempt to pitch/ditch the last vestiges of their 'socialism' last convention? Just like they previously ditched their anti-NATO position? NDP=No Difference Party. And the closer they get to power the more obvious it will be too...you have a better chance of winning with Lotto max. Sorry Fidelio no sale...
Mandela's ANC, Mexico's Democratic Revolution, Fatah, Puerto Rican Independence Party etc. You just spit on very many socialists around the world in defence of a former leader who was never one himself.
The problem with socialist movements today is that they are still under siege by capitalists and the international banking cabal. Socialists in very many countries have found that operating sovereign countries independently of marauding interanational capital is too difficult to manage on their own. The whole notion of socialism in one country has been found wanting since the former USSR and Yugoslavia succumbed to decades of relentless trade embargos and vicious dirty wars. Vietnamese communists were forced down the capital road by the late 1990s. These were not democratic decisions by the people so much as they were "forced errors" by leftist leaders with few choices. Medieval sieges, military threats and political interference by the west and its powerful multinational corporations still occurs today in this time of colder war.
Moamar Gaddafi co-operated with the CIA on torture. He was no socialist. He was an Arab nationalist. And like some people we know, the imperialist CIA, MI6, DGSE etc have generally never discerned or discriminated between the two very different political movements when breaking international laws to subvert and undermine both. They say that when you swim with sharks and piranhas, chances are you'll be bitten. Lesson learned: If you play with the Gladio mafia, the demands made of you and payoffs eventually become too difficult to manage.
And we know you'll still promote the NDP as usual.
I never said Gaddafi was a socialist. I said the NDP isn't.
Au contraire.
seasons greetings to all and to you who still believe in Santa too...
NATO's Expanding Horizons
http://www.straightgoods.ca/2011/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=947
"More and more, NATO is becoming the center of all things in every quarter of the globe. Phil Taylor speaks with a very important news source: Rick Rozoff of 'STOP NATO'
Harper Will Use Libya to Push for Iran Attack - by Ish Theilheimer
http://www.straightgoods.ca/2011/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=955
"Canadians need to think twice and speak loudly if we are to avoid Stephen Harper using the Libya experience to justify a similar disaster in Iran.."
Gaddafi's Female Bodyguards Found Murdered (photos)
http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/gaddafi-female-bodyguards-found-...
"When Gaddafi fled, his female bodyguards also disbanded, but still many of them were tracked down..."
Libyan Society Falling Apart..(and vid)
http://rt.com/news/gaddafi-militia-society-unity-893/
"Libya is already into the New Year with new leaders and hopes. But, it turns out, as the immediate post-revolutionary excitement fades, the different factions of the former rebels are turning on each other..."
I appreciate these links that NDPP provides us. I'm sceptical of Thierry Meysan though. He's behind (two bestsellers) the idea that an airliner did'nt hit the Pentagon. Is he a CIA agent (agent provocateur) ? To completely discredit the humanitarian (Responsibilty to Protect) motives behind Sarkozy and NATO's intervention in Libya is to accuse Bob Ray, Lloyd Axworthy, the NDP etc. of naivity or insincerity. They and others are left-leaning true believers, like Wilson and Roosevelt and often finally instrumental in deciding to go to war. "Intervention" is as Canadian as maple syrup which is why I hope someday a non-interventionist (isolationist) Republican may become Emperor.
Well, I completely discredit the humanitarian motives behind Sarkozy et al's latest transgressions. Completely.
As for Rae, Axworthy etc. naive AND insincere, my guess. Sorry 'bout that. I'm a touch sentimental about Mr.Axworthy, too, not a bad egg I thought. But wrt R2P I have one word: 'Congo'.
I have another word: neo-colonialism.
Will 2012 Bring Tribal War to Libya? - by Franklin Lamb
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/30/will-2012-bring-tribal-war-to-lib...
"This observer has been advised both in neighboring countries and inside Libya by Tribal officials that war is coming maybe as soon as March 1. 'Our history, our culture, our dignity, is at stake. It is the responsibility of the Tribes to cleanse the country of these outlaws just as we did against the Italian colonizers.."
US Behind Deliberate Murder of Qadhafi: Russia
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30109.htm
"Russia has acccused the United States and NATO of large-scale violations of human rights during the military operation in Libya, including the deliberate murder of its leader Muammar Gaddafi and the killing of hundreds of civilians.."
The Libyan Tragedy: Lessons for the Western Left - by Tim Anderson
http://www.opednews.com/articles/3/The-Libyan-Tragedy-lesson-by-Tim-Ande...
"One might have thought that with the 'humanitarian' pretexts for the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan fairly fresh in the mind, the western 'left' might have hesitated before backing (or refusing to oppose) a similar stunt in Libya...
Apparently not. Perhaps caught off guard by the rapid development of events, many of those who consider themselves 'left' or progressive, in the western-imperial cultures, happily joined in the big-power-orchestrated chorus against the 'dictator' Gaddafi. In doing so they helped legitimize the overthrow of one of the more independent regimes in the middle east and helped extend big power control of the region..."
Canada Praises Partner Qatar For Libyan. Syrian Role
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?Storyid=1093468768
"Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird has lauded the role of the State of Qatar for the liberation of the Libyan people, highlighting its political, diplomatic and military contributions to the success of this liberation. Minister Baird pointed to the partnership between Qatar and Canada in the liberation operation, which, he said, was important and essential...
Speaking to the Qatari daily (al Sharq) the Canadian Foreign Minister believed that Canada and Qatar played a major role in terms of the military involvement, noting that the Qatari role is not only recognized for its military contribution but rather for its political and diplomatic contribution to the liberation.
Concerning the situation in Syria, Baird hailed the Arab League's distinguished and extraordinary role to resolve the Syrian crisis. He said that the United Nations had failed to deal with the Syrian crisis and denounced the failure of the Security Council to make any move towards the situation so far."
Another lickspittling ass-kissing demonstration worthy of those usually reserved only for Israel - or America of course. The government (with opposition included) grows more vile and disgusting by the day. Few seem to notice or care. This is obviously what is meant by
'A Better, Prouder Foreign Policy'
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/better%2Bprouder%2Bforeign%2Bpo...
Abdul Jalil Appoints Head of Libya Armed Forces, Warns of Civil War
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/01/03/186215.html
"The chairman of Libya's national Transitional Council Mustafa Abdul Jalil appointed Yousef al-Mangoush as head of the armed forces in the first significant move to build a new Libyan military and warned that the country could descend into a civil war following deadly clashes in Tripoli.."
Report Libya: [04.01.2012] (and vid)
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/01/report-libya-dr-yusuf-shakir-gives-...
"Dr Yusuf Shakir is a long time Television presenter for Libya television..."
Muslim Brotherhood Strongest Contender in Libya's Coming Elections - by Franklin Lamb
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/06/muslim-brotherhood-strongest-contender-in-libya's-coming-election
"...The reason the MB is in such a relatively strong position is that it has the support of Qatar, assistance from the well established organisations in Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria and Turkey...Some in Congress, hope that after all the failures of the US administration to spark a Sunni-Shia war, that the MB might just be the best and unexpected weapon in achieving this goal which has been US policy since the late 1980s.
NATO countries are being shipped oil (also to gas and oil rich Qatar) free of charge under a payback arrangement with NATO for its regime change services. The issue is quickly becoming a scandal..."
International Emergency Conference
http://www.indymedia.no/node/27742
"We declare straight away:
Yes, there is an emergency when the Great Powers decide to intervene militarily in Libya under the aegis of NATO, opening the path to insecurity and instability in the region, jeopardizing the integrity of the countries of the Sahel, while those same powers have already destroyed Iraq, through a war of occupation, are continuing the war in Afghanistan, are keeping Haiti under military occupation, and are imposing military bases in different regions of the world...
Against wars of occupation, against interferene in countries' internal affairs, in defence of the integrity and sovereignty of nations.."
Saif Keeping: Is Libya Prepared for the Trial of Gaddafi's Son? (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/libya-gaddafi-son-trial-481/
"Saif al Islam, the most prominent son of the country's late leader Colonel Gaddafi, is being held in the western town of Zintan. He has been charged by the Hague with crimes against humanity - but will the ICC ever see him in court?
'Don't forget, it's the western powers that destroyed Libya. it's the Western powers and NATO that were hunting that man. They were going to kill him and suddenly they all become concerned about his human rights? It's a little bit too tongue in cheek..'
Sabah al-Mukhtar, President, Arab Lawyers Assn. (interviewed)
Lizzie Phelan: Reflections On My Time in Libya (and vid)
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=629755
"...the greatest honour was being able to witness the defiance of a people's spirit under attack by the most powerful force known to man.."
Libya and the NTC: 12,000 US Troops to Libya - by Cynthia McKinney
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28645
"It is with great disappointment that I received the news from foreign media publications and Libyan sources that our President now has 12,000 US troops stationed in Malta and they are about to make their descent into Libya..."
SNC Lavalin Developed Close Relationship With Gadhafi Son: Documents
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/snc-lavalin-developed-close-re...
"Canadian engineering firm SNC Lavalin worked closely with a son of Colonel Moammar Gadhafi to set up a joint civil-military unit in the years before the dictatorship collapsed, offering services from experts such as the former deputy chief of Canada's military and a former president of Hydro Quebec.."
ps:
"Canada's SNC-Lavalin is a participant in a multinational consortium 'to produce from 300 million to 500 million bullets per year for a period of at least five years. The ammunition will be used specifically in Iraq and Afghanistan." (2004)
http://www.sevenoaksmag.com/features/39_feat1.html
A cartoon by Brazilian cartoonist Carlos Latuff
Libya and the NTC: 12,000 US Troops to Libya - by Cynthia McKinney
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28645
"It is with great disappointment that I received the news from foreign media publications and Libyan sources that our President now has 12,000 US troops stationed in Malta and they are about to make their descent into Libya..."
Malta Today - There are no U.S. Troops in Malta, Says Government
http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/en/newsdetails/news/national/There-are-no-US-troops-in-Malta-says-government-20120116
"The Maltese government denied allegations made by former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney that 12,000 US troops are stationed in Malta, before they go to Libya.
"The allegations are completely false," government said in a statement."
Seeing how Malta is all of 316 square kilometres, I think they would have a hard time hiding 12,000 people on that island.
Thanks AJ. The report appeared originally is several newspapers in the ME, Algeria being one. From the McKinney report:
" I hope the report that I'm reading from, 12 January 2012 is not true. I hope our President has not sent 12,000 troops of occupation to Malta destined for Libya.
Lucy Grider-Bradley of our Dignity Delegation just reminded me of the words of a high-ranking Libyan Jahamiriya Foreign Ministry representative who just happened to be at the Tunisia/Libya border office at the same time we were waiting there.
He said, 'Let the Americans come. We want them to taste our sandwiches. We will give them the same serving they got in Vietnam."
Criminalizing Gaddafi Support
http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2012/01/criminalizing
"This is a critique of the rules just laid down for the upcoming election. Now that 'democracy' has come to Libya, the people finally get to choose their leader...no Gaddafi loyalists or anyone connected with the hyper-demonized old system or representing any of its ideas will be allowed.
No matter how many people might want it, and perhaps because many will want it, the new leaders so in debt to the West will not allow it. Freedom isn't free and it's got limits.."
Be sure and tell your MP just what kind of 'democracy' their vote for war and complicity in warcrimes brought to Libya. They probably haven't even bothered to check...
South African President Attacks UN Over War Against Libya
http://blackagendareport.com/content/south-african-president-attacks-uni...
"No one has been held responsible for the execution of Gaddafi who was detained in Sirte alive and later brutally tortured and extra-judicially killed.'..
BBC: Inside Story of the UK's Secret Mission to Beat Gaddafi
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573516
"British efforts to topple Colonel Gaddafi was not limited to air strikes. On the ground - and on the quiet - special forces soldiers were blending in with rebel fighters. This is the previously untold account of the crucial part they played.."
doubtless there is a Canadian component involving JTF2, if anyone in media or our 'loyal opposition' was interested enough to ask...
Libya Militia Leader 'Tortured and Killed in Detention'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16614894
"...The BBC has seen evidence that a man was tortured and killed in detention after clashes between rival militia groups in Libya at the weekend. Members of Izzedine al-Ghool's family say he was accused of siding with the regime of the late Muammar Gaddafi.
The BBC has seen marks on his legs and buttocks that suggest he was subjected to brutal treatment. Our correspondent says this is an acutely sensitive subject for the interim authorities."
Sources of Libyan War: Revelations of Former French Foreign Minister - by Alexander Mezyaev
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/12/31/sources-of-libyan-war-r...
"...Of course the preparation of war against Libya before February 2011 had been evident, but, I think, it was the first time somebody, who took direct part in it, told about it so candidly and in an open manner. The revelations of Roland Dumas not only gave clues to all the ins and outs of the NATO policy making process, but left no doubt all disturbances in Arab countries were well planned special operations...
There should be no illusions - Syria is the primary target today. How many decades are to pass before we know from witnesses what kind of dirty tricks were used..."
Time Runs Out For Effective Probe of Brutal Gaddafi Murder (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/gaddafi-murder-trial-icc-145/
"The lawyer of the late leader's daughter has been telling RT why his killing in October still hasn't been investigated. Aisha Gaddafi has hired Nick Kaufman, an Israeli lawyer, to force the International Criminal Court to investigate the full circumstances of her father's death..."
Enemy At the Gates? Libyans Storm NTC Headquarters
http://rt.com/news/libya-storm-ntc-headquarters-375/
"Some 200 Libyan protesters stormed the headquarters of the country's transitional government on Saturday in a show of frustration with the slow pace of national reform. According to a November report by the UN Security Council, at least 7,000 men, women and children were illegally detained by rebel militias in Libya
Many of those are being held in prisons outside of NTC control, and have been subjected to torture and other systematic forms of mistreatment. Clashes between rival militia factions have also become an increasingly common sight in the streets of Tripoli.."
Pro-Gaddafi Forces Capture Bani Walid, 5 NTC Troops Killed (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/libya-new-civil-war-489/
"Fighters loyal to late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have clashed with revolutionary forces in the former regime stronghold of Bani-Walid, taking control of the city in the process. The head of Libya's National Transitional Council, Mustafa Jalil warned of the threat of another civil war.."
'Arab Spring' turns to winter...
'Libya's Like Somalia'
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120122/local/-Libya-s-like-S...
"Africans are being beaten and killed in Libya and no one there [or here] cares.."
US-NATO War Crimes in Libya
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jan2012/pers-j23.shtml
"A report released last week by Middle East human rights groups presents extensive evidence of war crimes carried out in Libya by the US, NATO and other proxy 'rebel' forces during last year's war, which brought down the regime of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.."
How about it Canada? Does the name Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard mean anything to you?
Canada Urged to Pressure Libya's New Leaders on Torture Reports
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canada-urged-to-pressure-libya...
"The Canadian leader of Amnesty International is calling on the Harper government to use its influence with Libya's new leadership to put an end to the torture of prisoners that the organization says has been taking place.
The new leaders of Libya were helped to power by the air-war waged by the air forces of Canada and major allies. Amnesty said the torture is being carried out by 'officially recognized military and security entities' as well as the many armed militias still active in the country.
As well, Doctors Without Borders says it is suspending its work in Libyan prisons because of rampant torture of detainees, who had been brought for care only to make them fit for further interrogation.."
another detainee-torture story for Canada to bury and forget about...
Tortured Freedom: Libya's New Rulers Resort to Old Tactics (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/libya-torture-death-detainees-817/
"...All in all, investigators believe 'crimes of war and against humanity were committed.' 'Some of the NATO representatives were at the frontline - guiding the raids and directing them and coordinating. If you are mandated to protect civilians - this is not your mandate,' says Raj Sourani from the Arab Organization for Libyan Human Rights (see interview)
as on so many critical and crucial issues - still no word from the 'loyal opposition'
Fresh From Libya Trade Mission, Minister Plays Coy On The Passenger List
http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/01/30/just-back-from-libya-trade-mission-mi...
"The minister and representatives from 15 Canadian companies met with business leaders and the transitional government's trade, oil and gas, and education ministeries from January 28 to 30th. Fast [Eddy] initially refused to name any of the firms, which included oil and gas companies, as well as some from the information and communications technology industry.
But following the initial publication of this story, the minister's office provided the names of seven of the companies; Dessau, ZAS, Talisman, CAE, Canadian Helicopters, the Canadian Bureau of International Education and Dominion voting..."
guess who the coy ones are..?
Canadian Detained in Alleged Gadhafi Plot Alleges 'Torture' by Mexicans - by Robert Hilz
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canadian+detained+alleged+Gadhafi+plot...
"...I thought I was going to die in there,' Vanier wrote. In a list of grievances, she alleges she's suffered physical abuse and torture by international definition based on the Vienna Conventions, to which Mexico is a signatory."
UN Report: NATO's Libya War Armed al-Qaeda
http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/10694-un-...
"The UN report explained that 'due to the Libyan upheaval...governments in the region are faced with the return of millions of economic migrants, the smuggling of weapons from Libyan stockpiles, terrorist activities, youth unemployment, trafficking in drugs and human beings, and a surge in criminality,' the international body summarized in a press release on its findings.
But the international body carefully ignored its own obvious role in creating the tragedy...Almost incredibly, the UN and some of its member governments are now asking for ever more international intervention. To deal with the fallout crisis created by the previous round of failed interventions.."
These are not unintended consequences at all. Deliberately designed to lead to more intervention. And NATO and AFRICOM are ready to 'help' again..
Libya: Diplomat Dies in Militia Custody
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/02/02/libya-diplomat-dies-militia-custody
"A Libyan diplomat who served as ambassador to France died less than 24 hours after he was detained by a Tripoli-based militia from the town of Zintan, Human Rights Watch said today. Dr Omar Brebesh, who was detained on January 19, 2012 appears to have died from torture..."
'In Libya Now the Truth is Coming Out'
http://www.voltairenet.org/In-Lybia-now-the-truth-is-coming
"Irish free-lance journalist Lizzie Phelan refers to her recent interview by New York Times reporter Robert Mackey...
Malcolm X famously said 'if you are not careful, the media will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the oppressor,' and that quote rings true more than ever today, most recently in the way that the Western and GCC media have covered events in Libya and Syria.."
Torture in Libya: The Ugly Reality of Imperialist 'Liberation'
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/feb2012/pers-f01.shtml
"A criminal imperialist war that ended with a brutal murder, has, unsurprisingly, yielded a regime of terror, torture and repression. According to a report released by Amnesty International (AI) 'torture is being carried out by officially recognized military and security entities as well as by a multitude of armed militias operating outside of any legal framework.'
Prisoners are 'suspended in contorted positions, beaten for hours with whips, cables, plastic hoses, metal chains, bars, wooden sticks, and given electric shocks with live wires and taser-like electro-shock weapons,' according to the Amnesty report. A spokesperson for the organization described the failure of the [Canada], US and NATO-backed National Transitional Council to conduct any investigation, much less take any action against the torture, as 'horrifying'.
All of these developments have been studiously ignored by the coterie of 'left' organizations, liberal academics and journalists who played such a critical role in promoting and justifying the US-NATO war for regime change in Libya. Pseudo-left groups ranging from the New Anti-Capitalist Party in France to the Left Party in Germany, [the NDP] and the International Socialists Organization in the US all provided a critical service to imperialism by supporting the pro-imperialist 'rebel' leaders and helping to dress up a naked intervention for oil and geo-strategic interests , as a crusade to protect civilians and promote democracy and human rights..."
So much better than before eh!
Libyan Crisis: Events Causes and Facts (doco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGYTb41TZg&feature=player_embedded#1
Refugee Camp Massacre: Libyan Militia Launch Racist Raid
http://rt.com/news/libya-war-crimes-racism-827/print/
"Heavily armed fighters have attacked a camp of about 1,500 refugees on the outskirts of Tripoli, opening fire on its inhabitants. At least six were killed in the incident, raising fears that civilians have little protection from militias running amok. According to various reports between six and twelve people were killed, including children, women and the elderly.
The area around the camp was cut off by the attackers to prevent any help reaching the refugees. 'Men from Misrata came to the camp in Janzour district at 10 o'clock Monday. We knew they were from Misrata because it was written all over the cars, camp resident Huda Bel-Eid said at Tripoli Medical Hospital, Al Jazeera reports.."
Saadi Gaddafi Interview: Full Translation: Saadi Gaddafi Phone Call to Al Arabiya (and vid)
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com/2012/02/confirmed-saadi-gaddafi-called...
"There will be a huge uprising that will comprise a number of uprisings which will break out throughout Libya. There will not be a region where there won't be a new people's uprising...70% of the people are not satisfied with the current situation in Lbya and all are ready to rise up to change the current situation for the good of the country..
And I call upon everyone to be ready for this uprising and the zero hour, because this time the uprising will be the decisive one."
Tripoli: Racist Mistreatment of the Ambassador from Niger (and vid)
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/02/racist-mistreatment-of-ambassador-f...
"Libya's racist, NATO mercenaries have expelled the honourable ambassador of Niger in Tripoli because his government accepted Saadi Gaddafi, whose only crime has been a recent call to Al Arabiya TV in which he warned of an uprising in Libya..."
At least 12 detainees had died since September after torture, Amnesty said. "Their bodies were covered in bruises, wounds and cuts and some had had nails pulled off," the group said.
The report is a fresh blow to Libya's new government, the National Transitional Council, which helped lead the anti-Gaddafi uprising that broke out one year ago this week and spiraled into a brutal, eight-month civil war.
Since the war's end with the capture and killing of Gaddafi last October, the NTC has struggled to extend its control over the nation. It has largely failed to rein in the hundreds of brigades that fought in the war, many of which now run their own detention centres for those accused of links to Gaddafi's regime.
Amnesty said it visited 11 detention camps in central and western Libya in January and February, and found evidence of torture and abuse at all but one.
The Guardian
Libya One Year On: Celebration? (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/libya-anniversary-celebration-phelan-541/
"On February 17, Libya will mark the first anniversary of the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi. But journalist Lizzie Phelan notes that millions of Libyans will be commisserating and not celebrating..."
Gaddafi Supporters Outside Libya Form New Grouping
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17071596
"Members of Colonel Gaddafi's former government outside Libya say they are starting a political movement aimed at radical change, the BBC has learnt. In a message which appears to be genuine, one of Gaddafi's senior officers said they want to prevent the outbreak of another civil war. Last week, Saadi Gaddafi, another of the former leader's sons, who is in exile in Niger warned of an imminent uprising inside Libya..."
One Year Later, Libya's Future Still Very Much in the Air - by David Pugliese
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/year+later+Libya+future+still+very+m...
"Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird beamed with pride last summer as he signed a Canadian bomb that would soon be dropped on Libya. 'Free Libya. Democracy', he wrote.
Canada, he pointed out, was at the forefront of the NATO mission in Libya. In Gadhafi's place would come democracy, the rebels had assured Baird. 'I can honestly say their courage and their resolve are remarkable,' he wrote in the Ottawa Citizen in July.
Defence and political analysts, media commentators and newspaper editorialists have portrayed Canada's military intervention in Libya as a great victory. Canadian Lt Gen Charles Bouchard, who led the NATO mission, has been hailed as a hero.
But almost a year after Canada went to war to bring what it called freedom and democracy to Libya, the African nation is in a state of turmoil.
A poll taken for the Defence Department during the war would later show that Canadians strongly approved of the government's decision to intervene in Libya. Some in the Canadian Forces, however, don't subscribe to the argument...They say it all came down to relations with the US. Once Canada's closest ally had decided to intervene, the Canadian government agreed to go to war."
Thanks for that link to Pugliese's very important article. I like the way he summarizes how Qaddafi was until very recently our pal:
In April 2009, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warmly greeted one of the colonel's sons during high-level talks in Washington. "We deeply value the relationship between the United States and Libya," she said.
Less than three months later, Gadhafi himself was shaking hands with U.S. President Barack Obama during a G8 summit in Italy.
Canada also moved to get in on the action. But it already had a head start since Canadian companies had a long history of involvement in Libya, even when Gadhafi was considered an international pariah. Although former diplomats would try to downplay the extent of the relationship once the war against Libya began, an estimated 70 Canadian firms were active in the country, mainly in gas and oil production.
In the late 1980s, Canadian firms, with the backing of the Conservative government, pursued Libyan contracts. In 1989, Calgary-based Husky Oil and its partners spent nearly $100 million, entering into exploration and production-sharing agreements.
In December 2004, then Liberal prime minister Paul Martin headed a delegation to visit Gadhafi and improve trade.
By early 2011, Suncor Energy of Calgary had almost $1 billion in assets tied up in Libya and the Quebec engineering firm SNC Lavalin had won contracts valued at more than $800 million. SNC, with 2,000 employees in the country, was building a massive pipeline that Gadhafi envisioned would bring water in the south across the desert to cities in the north. It had also been awarded a contract to build a new airport in Benghazi and a $275-million prison in Tripoli.
Stephen Harper's Conservative government also forged links with the Libyan strongman. In 2008 the government asked for — and received — the Libyan leader's help in freeing kidnapped Canadian diplomats Robert Fowler and Louis Guay, who had been kidnapped by al-Qaida's affiliate in northwest Africa. During a trip to Libya the next year, then-Foreign Affairs minister Lawrence Cannon thanked the Gadhafi regime for using its extensive intelligence network and connections on the abduction case.
Canada Helped NATO Enable Ouster of Gadhafi From Libya - by David Pugliese
http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+helped+NATO+enable+ouster+Gadhafi+from...
"...It was May of 2011, three months into Libya's civil war, and NATO had set up a ring of 20 warships to enforce a UN arms embargo. The Libyan rebels guarding their ship openly acknowledged they were delivering weapons to their forces in Misrata. HMCS Charlottetown's commander, Craig Skjerpen radioed NATO headquarters for instructions.
The response was swift: let the ship sail on so the crew could deliver their deadly cargo. A NATO senior officer had boasted just weeks earlier that the alliance's blockade HAD closed the door on the flow of arms inside Libya..."
War on Libya Continues on Several Fronts - by David Pugliese
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Libya+continues+several+fronts/6178586...
"The death of Libya leader Moammar Gadhafi on October 20 was greeted with relief in the capital cities of NATO nations. His demise meant the war was all but over. In Ottawa officials in the Prime Minister's office and the Privy Council Office went to work planning the largest military victory parade the country had seen in decades...
The emphasis was on portraying those who had taken part in the Libya mission - from cooks to clerks to pilots and aircrew - as 'heroes'.."
A charming new addition to the axis of homophobia and misogyny (the Vatican + fundamentalist Islamic régimes + the U.S. + some African states): the Libyan delegation to the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Geneva has declared that homosexuality is a threat to mankind and must be combatted as such.
There you have it, all you cheerleaders for "humanitarian intervention". Moreover, I'm sure that Al-CIAda would joyfully fuck all good liberals up the *** with an AK47 to show full appreciation for their international support for the "liberation" struggle in Libya.
More choice quotes from Pugliese's very useful trilogy of articles:
The Aeryon Scout Micro-Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, designed and built in Waterloo, was a small spy drone that fit inside a suitcase.
The Canadian government put Aeryon in contact with the rebel's National Transitional Council, while Zariba Security Corp., a private security firm in Ottawa, was to make the delivery. In July, the $100,000 drone was delivered to the rebels by Charles Barlow, president of Zariba and a former Canadian Forces officer. He took an 18-hour boat ride from Malta to the NTC training facility in Misrata, sailing without problems through NATO's blockade.
Barlow showed the rebels how to fly the drone, using it to identify a Libyan military position, and left shortly after.
One investigation by the New York Times found that NATO bombs killed as many as 70 civilians during the conflict, including 29 women and children. Survivors told the Times that one tactic used by NATO was to restrike targets minutes after the first attack, a practice that killed civilians rushing to aid the wounded.
More choice quotes from Pugliese's very useful trilogy of articles:
One investigation by the New York Times found that NATO bombs killed as many as 70 civilians during the conflict, including 29 women and children. Survivors told the Times that one tactic used by NATO was to restrike targets minutes after the first attack, a practice that killed civilians rushing to aid the wounded.
it doesn't get much more evil than this folks...and your guy Charlie the Butcher ran this show, to the acclaim of your official opposition too.. What's to be done? (cue crickets)
Cynthia McKinney Tells It Like It Is
http://www.countercurrents.org/corseri200212.htm
"...My colleague, David Josue and I had been in Libya to attend a conference for Africans on the continent as well as Africans in the diaspora. And what the Jamahariya government had devised was a call to Africans in the diaspora who were unhappy with their treatment at the hands of white Americans or white Europeans, etc. - to come back home to Africa and to help Libya rebuild Africa and rebuild itself.
That was the purpose of this conference I had attended...And it was at that conference that the Jamahiriya committed 90 billion dollars to help in the creation of the United States of Africa..That would also include a million-person army for continental Africa to drive back the attempts of AFRICOM and others to occupy the African continent.
That was in addition to the proposal for a gold-backed dinar for all of Africa..The daughter of Kwame Nkruma was at that conference, the son of Patrice Lumumba was at that conference, the grandson of Malcom X was there...The atmosphere was electric with the idea of the re-building, the re-kindling of the movement that these African leaders - or their forbears - represented. Well that was all put to an end by NATO's bombing...
The attack on Libya was an attack on Africa! It was an attack on my aspirations as a person of African descent to have a free and independent Africa. That's what was attacked!..."
As Calls For Intervention in Syria Grow, Vijay Prashad Urges Re-Evaluation of NATO Attack on Libya
video
Libya has just marked the first anniversary of the start of the uprising that toppled Col. Muammar Gaddafi’s four-decade rule. But as Libya celebrates a new era free of the Gaddafi regime, there are growing concerns the country’s lingering divisions will tear it apart. Libya remains deeply splintered by regions and factions. More than 500 militias exist throughout the country, leading to ongoing human rights abuses that resemble those under the Gaddafi regime. We speak to Trinity College Professor Vijay Prashad. “There is a serious need to evaluate what has happened in Libya as a result, not only of the Gaddafi atrocities of the rise of the rebellion, but also significantly of the nature of the NATO intervention. And that evaluation has not happened,” Prashad said. “I’m afraid that is really calling into question the use of human rights as a lubricant for intervention. If we can’t go back and evaluate what has happened, I think a lot of people around the world are afraid of going forward into another intervention where the lessons of Libya have not been learned.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/2/21/as_calls_for_intervention_in_syria
I love that phrase. I think I'll steal it.
H-R Jelly...for easier entry..
And you guys eat with those mouths?
Oil Rich Eastern Libya Declares Semiautonomous Region
http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/4540
(AP) BENGHAZI, LIBYA, Tribal leaders and militia commanders declared oil-rich eastern Libya a semiautonomous state on Tuesday, a unilateral move that the interim head of state called a 'dangerous' conspiracy by Arab nations to tear the country apart six months after the fall of Moammar Gadhafi..."
Surprise!!!
New Libyan State of Barqa
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-libyan-state-barqa-owned-by-ber...
"...The gathering appointed Ahmed al-Zubair, ex-prisoner, as leader of its governing council. Al Zubair, a descendent of the former Libyan King Indris whom Gadhafi ousted in a 1969 coup, is also a member of the National Transitional Council. The plan seeks to revive the pre-Gadhafi system in place from 1951 until 1963, when Libya was ruled by a monarchy and was divided into three states: Tripolitania in the west, Fezzan in the southwest and Cyrenaica in the east, or Barqa, as it was called in Arabic."
What Did A Foreign-Backed 'Revolution' Bring to Libya?
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/03/what-did-foreign-backed-revolution....
Loss of sovereignty, Central bank is not independent anymore, Country with no foreign debt now heavily indebted, Infrastructure destroyed by friendly NATO bombs, oil is in the hands of foreign forces, oh and 'freedom and democracy'.."
Funny how the government, opposition, and the media are being so careful to avoid letting out too many details about how things are progressing in Libya, courtesy of the many tax dollars having been invested on our behalf, in a project they had all originally took great pains it seemed to tout the merits of. There's a word I'm reaching for here...oh yes....motherfuckers, one and all.
'West Plots to Divide Libya Into Pieces' (and vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230447.html
"East Libyan leaders have proclaimed autonomy and called for the establishment of a federal system in the post revolution nations. 'It is very simple. You see the 17th century was the century of colonialism and physical presence of the Western world in the small countries of Asia, Latin America and Africa. The 21st century is the century of neocolonialism, economic colonialism and economic exploitation without physical presence.."
'West Plots to Divide Libya Into Pieces' (and vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230447.html
"East Libyan leaders have proclaimed autonomy and called for the establishment of a federal system in the post revolution nation. 'It is very simple. You see the 17th century was the century of colonialism and physical presence of the Western world in the small countries of Asia, Latin America and Africa. The 21st century is the century of neocolonialism, economic colonialism and economic exploitation without physical presence.."
Funny how the government, opposition, and the media are being so careful to avoid letting out too many details about how things are progressing in Libya, courtesy of the many tax dollars having been invested on our behalf, in a project they had all originally took great pains it seemed to tout the merits of. There's a word I'm reaching for here...oh yes....motherfuckers, one and all.
"We supported the first two motions regarding the mission in Libya because of this [R2P] principle, this doctrine. We can say that it was a great success. The intervention went well and the situation on the ground has drastically changed. In light of what I believe we can refer to as this success, I would like to take this opportunity to thank our soldiers and diplomats, who worked very hard to achieve this goal." Helen Laverdiere NDP, September 2011
I see what you mean in there being no difference.
Russia Blasts NATO Over Libya - And Libya Over Syria (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/russia-nato-libya-syria-107/
"Russia says that NATO should apologize for causing civilian casualties during the air raids in Libya in 2011 and pay compensation. Moscoaw has also accused Libya's new government of training Syrian rebels and instigating terrorism. Russia's UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin issued his sharp criticism while speaking at Wednesday's meeting of the UN Security Council - 'We expect NATO to acknowledge that its air raids caused civilians casualties, to apologize and say it is prepared to pay the appropriate compensation,' Churkin asserted.
At the same meeting, Russia's UN envoy expressed Moscow's concern about the uncontrolled proliferation of Libyan arms in the region. However, it was not just the weapons that were being exported he said. 'We have receieved information that Libya, with support from the authorities, there is a special training center for the Syrian revolutionaries and that people are sent to Syria to attack the legal government,' Vitaly Churkin said.
'We think Al Qaeda is in Syria and therefore the question arises: Is transporting the revolution not turning into the transporting of terrorism?'
I see what you mean in there being no difference.
Yes if the NDP had voted against the UN sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya, things would be totally different today. We can be sure that Abdelhakim Belhadj, Al-CIA'duh's commandante in Tripoli, would not be there in Turkey and launching raids into Syria on behalf of his western backers today. And CIA'duh's other fictitious enemy, Ayman al Zawahiri, would start paying back all that money to U.S. taxpayers for his private businesses training new terrorists.
And it's ALL THE NDP's FAULT!!
Funny how the government, opposition, and the media are being so careful to avoid letting out too many details about how things are progressing in Libya, courtesy of the many tax dollars having been invested on our behalf, in a project they had all originally took great pains it seemed to tout the merits of. There's a word I'm reaching for here...oh yes....motherfuckers, one and all.
"We supported the first two motions regarding the mission in Libya because of this [R2P] principle, this doctrine. We can say that it was a great success. The intervention went well and the situation on the ground has drastically changed. In light of what I believe we can refer to as this success, I would like to take this opportunity to thank our soldiers and diplomats, who worked very hard to achieve this goal." Helen Laverdiere NDP, September 2011
Repeating a question I asked earlier on another thread:
What planet is Ms Laverdiere from? Her political IQ doesn't sound too sound.
Oh it's in all the newspapers how "the rebels" won in Libya, and now Libyans will be thanking us soon for handing them the keys to democracy. It was a non-issue before it even got started. The Gladio Gang have sinced moved on to laying medieval siege to Iran and Syria. It's sometimes difficult to keep up with grand chess board maneuvers these days.
And the NDP simply says ya whatever corporate newz, because we're focused on bringing down the Harpers in 2015 if they don't achieve that end themselves between now and then.
@JW: I imagine she learned her stuff from a career at Foreign Affairs Canada. Her statement is the official NATO line on the fascists' butchery of Libya. How people can think there is any future supporting these evil sellouts is beyond me. You're right though, aside from everything else, the NDP are dangerous political dumbos. That's why Harper wanted them in opposition instead of the Libs. Here's the latest on their Libyan 'success'.
'Libya To See Endless War of Tribal Feuds' (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/libya-war-tribes-cyrenaica-229/
"As Libya's eastern region of Cyrenaica declares its semi-autonomy from the central government, political analyst Pepe Escobar says no one will be intervening this time to stop a war among Libyan tribes should it kick off..'Who cares about the future of Libya as a democracy? The country is splintered. NATO does not care..
Yes if the NDP had voted against the UN sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya, things would be totally different today. We can be sure that Abdelhakim Belhadj, Al-CIA'duh's commandante in Tripoli, would not be there in Turkey and launching raids into Syria on behalf of his western backers today. And CIA'duh's other fictitious enemy, Ayman al Zawahiri, would start paying back all that money to U.S. taxpayers for his private businesses training new terrorists.
And it's ALL THE NDP's FAULT!!
New NDP bumper sticker, inspired by Fidel: "They're going to do it anyway, so we might as well vote for it!"
Yes if the NDP had voted against the UN sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya, things would be totally different today. We can be sure that Abdelhakim Belhadj, Al-CIA'duh's commandante in Tripoli, would not be there in Turkey and launching raids into Syria on behalf of his western backers today. And CIA'duh's other fictitious enemy, Ayman al Zawahiri, would start paying back all that money to U.S. taxpayers for his private businesses training new terrorists.
And it's ALL THE NDP's FAULT!!
New NDP bumper sticker, inspired by Fidel: "They're going to do it anyway, so we might as well vote for it!"
Yes poor Gaddafi. I feel very badly for him now that he's gone. All his friends must feel similarly.
Sleep with dogs get fleas as they say. It's a grey area. I suggest babblers write strongly worded notes to NDP MP's advising them that they have inadvertently supported Al-CIA'duh in the Maghreb(A
QCIM). Or would that be fomenting "conspiracy theory"? Get yer colder war on.Never forget.
Proviso: Ok feel free to leap to the defence of imperialists and tell us 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. Anyone? Anyone at all? Your own bumper sticker might read: Yes we have no bananas except on Sundays.
Proviso: Ok feel free to leap to the defence of imperialists and tell us 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. Anyone? Anyone at all?
It was an inside job. The supporting documents can be found here.
Proviso: Ok feel free to leap to the defence of imperialists and tell us 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. Anyone? Anyone at all?
It was an inside job. The supporting documents can be found here.
Yes, welly o well, then that must mean that Gaddafi and his CIA/MI6 pals weren't worth a pinch o' shit, were they?
I don't get it. On the one hand Unionist wants to defend the imperialists against my citing malicious rumor and heresay WRT Murder Inc's involvement in 9/11. But on the the other hand he wants to condemn the NDP for having sided with the same imperialists against Gaddafi. As the kids would say, WTF?
The NDP has not and will not be supporting Gaddafi's, nor by association the very imperialist-friendly Museveni's overthrow of other governments in Africa nor even renditions and torture with help from the CIA and Brits anytime soon.
Run along, folks. Nothing to see here.
It's not that I want to defend them Fidel. I really don't. But they pay so frickin' well. And I have a responsibility to my family's financial security. Don't I? Is that so bad? Sometimes I just don't know...
It's not that I want to defend them Fidel. I really don't. But they pay so frickin' well. And I have a responsibility to my family's financial security. Don't I? Is that so bad? Sometimes I just don't know...
Sorry, I actually didn't read you defending the imperialists against their probable participation in an inside job on 9/11. I naturally assumed that you would have empathy(as opposed to sympathizing with) imperialists on that issue, like you did several years ago in other threads when insisting that it was the Afghan people themselves who kicked-out the evol Sovs with help from no one in particular and exspeshully not the CIA or their Saudi prince friends at the time. Because I would never accuse you of siding with imperialists or their friendly military dictatorships in 1980s-90s Central Asia. Not never.
And so for the sake of political expediency let us return now to criticizing the NDP for their dark alliance with imperialism. RIP General Zia and Elvis bin Laden, Charlie Wilson, the CIA etc. We shall deny them thrice before the cows come home and have to listen to that tone-deaf rooster again.
Impeachment for Libyan War of Aggression: 2 Minute Pulitzer Cartoonist Video (and vid)
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/impeachment-for-libyan-war-of-agg...
If impeachment is suggested in the American case, what should we be suggesting for our own Canadian criminal accomplices?
"...War-murderers are war-murderers no matter where the murderers initiate fatal use of force [H of C, Ottawa].
The above circumstances damn the 'legal' voices as criminal accomplices.."
Look at counterpunch.org March 15 2012.
Vijay Prashad, "NATO's craven cover-up of its Libya bombing".
yes, saw it and was just now going to place this in the warcriminal Bouchard thread. Here it is
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/15/natos-craven-coverup-of-it-libyan...
"NATO is loath to permit a full investigation. It believes that it has the upper hand, with Libya showing how the UN will now use NATO as its military arm (or else how the NATO states will be able to use the UN for its exercise of power) NATO has no challenger..."
Corbett Report; Interview 483 - Pepe Escobar on R2P and MEK (podcast)
http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-483-pepe-escobar-on-r2p-and-mek/
"Today we talk to veteran investigative journalist about the 'Responsibility to Protect' doctrine by which NATO has begun waging its 'humanitarian' wars around the world. We discuss where this idea came from, how it has been used, and the way it is shaping international geopolitics. We also talk about the MEK, a bizarre terror cult that is increasingly popular inside the beltway in Washington"
Libya: Brigands, Revolutionaries and the UN - by Alexander Mezyaev
http://www.voltairenet.org/Libya-Brigands-Revolutionaries-and
"As NATO and the GCC persevere with their project of remodeling the Greater Middle East and North Africa, a constant flow of fighters have been crossing from Libya into Syria and vice versa. According to ALexander Mezyaev, far from pursuing peace as stipulated in its Charter, the United Nations has become an instrument of this policy...
There is a special operation to transfer the Syrian 'opposition' brigands into Libya - conducted under the cover of the UN Mission...the UN Security Council's sessions have become examples of cynicism and hypocrisy, a world wide stage for spreading fabrications to promote public opinion support for the most bloody and base crimes..."
Look at counterpunch.org March 15 2012.
Vijay Prashad, "NATO's craven cover-up of its Libya bombing".
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/15/natos-craven-coverup-of-it-libyan-bombing/
Libya's 'Non-State': Tribal War Claims 50 Lives
http://rt.com/news/libya-ntc-tribal-wars-621/
"50 have been killed and dozens injured in Libya as tribal groups are fighting in the country's south. After the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi, Libya is left in a condition which some residents call a 'non-state'..."
what Canada's 'heavy lifting' wrought
Over 70 Killed in South Libya's Tribal Clashes
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/233592.html
"A Libyan government spokesman says more than 70 people have been killed and many more injured during three days of clashes between tribal groups in southern Libya. The clashes in Sabha about 650 kilometers south of Tripoli, erupted on Monday after a man from the Toubou tribe allegedly killed a member of the Abu Seif tribe. A local official said there were still clashes in the city, but efforts were being made to secure a truce between the rival tribes.
'The national army and a committee of elders have entered the town in a bid to secure a truce,' said Abdelmajid Seif al-Nasser, a town official who quit his post on Tuesday from the ruling National Transitional Council in protest over that body's inability to rule the country. Months after the fall of the country's former dictator Muammar Gaddafi, Libya is still the scene of almost daily clashes between squabbling tribes and militias.."
Just another day in NATO's 'Free' Libya - I wonder if any MP who voted to bomb bothers checking into what NATO R2P did to the country, or reflects upon their role in this joint criminal enterprise? If you voted to unleash such a holocaust of destruction upon a country, would you not be curious as to the after effects? And if you found these effects to be the destruction of this country, would you and your fellow MPs not be raising serious questions? These ghouls have said nothing since. Appalling.
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