Libyan and Egyptian freedom fighters mark 9/11 anniversary

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Libyan and Egyptian freedom fighters mark 9/11 anniversary

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[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/12/us-consulate-attack-libya-ga... the Guardian:[/url]

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Two onslaughts in two of the cities that witnessed the historic drama of the Arab spring last year do not an Islamist winter make. But both underline the glowering and dangerous presence of the sort of radical Muslim fundamentalists whom the old regimes kept at bay or in prison and who are now free to pursue their agendas. Gaddafi and Mubarak may have been unreconstructed dictators, but by and large they did Washington's bidding. And US diplomats were usually safe.

Libya is the more disturbing case. On a day when Gaddafi's democratically elected heirs were due to announce a new prime minister, it will be infuriating to have global attention diverted to the Salafi extremists of Ansar al-Sharia who attacked the Benghazi consulate with rocket-propelled grenades – and killed an American official who was instrumental in helping overthrow the man who ruled unchallenged for 42 years. It will also highlight the grave problem of security as the authorities in Tripoli struggle to create a functioning national police force and control militia weapons.

Conspiracy theories are two a penny in the Middle East, but it was surely no coincidence that both incidents took place on 11 September – a date that will be associated with the notion of an inevitable "clash of civilizations" long after both Osama bin Laden and George W Bush are gone. [/quote]

NDPP

US Ambassador, Consul Among 4 Killed in Militia Attack on Benghazi Consulate (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/us-ambassador-libya-killed-946/

"Libya officials say the ambassador and three other embassy staff members were killed after militants fired rockets at their car. The violence was part of a protest against an American amateur film 'Innocence of Muslims' deemed offensive to the Prophet Muhammad. The film was produced by a US-based group that includes Terry Long, a Christian pastor involved in a Koran-burning scandal that triggered protests in Afghanistan.."

 

Anti-Islam Movie Directed, Produced by Israeli-American: US Media

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/09/12/261104/antiislam-movie-made-by-isra...

"The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday that Israeli-American Sam Bacile has directed and produced the blasphemous movie. Bacile, 52, is a real estate developer living in southern California and a sworn enemy of Islam. He has assumed responsibility for the film, which he said were made thanks to Jewish donations totaling $5 Million.."

 

Obama Condemns Killing of US Ambassador to Libya (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/12/libya-us-ambassador.html

"...Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird also condemned the 'senseless' attack. 'We call upon Libyan authorities to take all necessary measures to protect diplomatic premises in accordance with Libya's international obligations,' Baird said in a statement. 'We also urge Libya officials to ensure the extremists responsible are brought to swift justice...

In an interview with AP, [Israeli-American film-maker Sam] Bacile called Islam a cancer and said he intended his film to be a provocative statement condemning the religion. 'This is a political movie,' he said.

Zionists...again.

never would have happened under Gadhafi. Oh but unlike Tehran, our embassy in Tripoli is still open for business...

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What goes around comes around.  I will note that none of the ongoing chaos in the streets of Libya has any effect on the production and shipment of the oil from the heavily guarded oil infrastructure.  As well isn't it great that the oil now gets sent to Europe and not that evil China. 

Libya and Iraq are great examples of the progress that the people of a country can make when we in the west intervene to replace their dictators.

Money mouth

I find the 9/11 connection interesting.  It is 39 years since the coup in Chile.  It is also about 40 years since the Americans began arming and training the type of people that committed these killings in Libya. In Afghanistan the people have paid the price with 2,000,000 dead in the last 40 years. That in a country with a similar sized population as Canada's.  Most of those deaths are directly attributable to America arming and training fanatics.

 

NDPP

US-Backed Terrorists Murder US' Own Ambassador in Libya  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/09/us-backed-terrorists-murder-us-...

"Murdered US ambassador exposes US 'pro-democracy' foreign policy - same terrorists US backs in Syria are behind the murder of US ambassador in Libya. With Russia openly accusing the West of using Al Qaeda as their direct, militant proxies in Syria and beyond, this latest attempt to purposefully provoke and incite Muslims across the Arab World is an attempt by th eWest to re-establish the perception that the US and Israel are at war with sectarian extremists, not partnered with them.."

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[quote=John Baird]We also urge Libya officials to ensure the extremists responsible are brought to swift justice...[/quote]

Or, we urge the extremists responsible to ensure that the Libya officials are brought to swift justice?

It is becoming so very difficult to distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys. How is a poor CF-18 fighter pilot supposed to know whom to bomb the shit out of these days?? Especially when the marching orders may change in mid-flight?

 

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Oh dear. This thread title reminds me I like my cynicism like I like my Johnny Walker.

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[quote=Catchfire]

Oh dear. This thread title reminds me I like my cynicism like I like my Johnny Walker.

[/quote]

You ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait till you see the next one I open in Canadian politics.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Irony is to cynicism like any decent single malt is to JW's Red. I would rate the thread title a JW Black, almost cynical but still mostly ironic.

That is the second validation message this morning.  Tongue out

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[quote=Unionist]

[quote=Catchfire]

Oh dear. This thread title reminds me I like my cynicism like I like my Johnny Walker.

[/quote]

You ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait till you see the next one I open in Canadian politics.

[/quote]

All right, I [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/mulcair-withdraws-ndp-criticis... easy[/url] on Mulcair. I don't want to be defending two ironic thread titles simultaneously. "Pick your battles", as the pro-democracy forces of Cairo and Benghazi are wont to say.

NDPP

 

US Ambassador Killed in Benghazi, Libya

http://libyasos.blogspot.ca/2012/09/us-ambassador-killed-in-benghazi-lib...

"The US ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens has died as Feb 17 'freedom fighters' stormed the US consulate and killed him. In Benghazi: the birthplace of NATO/USA/NTC's revolution.."

and somewhere up above it all the ghost of Moammar G is smiling...

 

Sam Bacile's 'The Muhammad Movie' (and vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6yGzpSvjU&feature=player_embedded

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[url=http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/feature?section=news/world_news&id=8807690]From Hillary Clinton's statement:[/url]

[quote]"... Chris was one of the first Americans on the ground in Benghazi."[/quote]

Sheesh.

 

contrarianna

This is a surprise to no one who paid attention, and of course ignored by the coterie of babbling shills for "freedom fighters" and NATO.

[quote]atrick Cockburn
Wednesday 12 September 2012

Bloody violence in Libya and protests in Egypt should dispel any notion that these revolutions were a vote in favour of Western ideals.

....
 It is true that its leaders in Benghazi were astute enough from the beginning to play down the role of Islamic militants in the uprising which began on 15 February 2011. They had no wish to frighten Western opinion when they were angling for military support from Nato which they were to receive the following month as Gaddafi's tanks advanced on Benghazi.
....
This would be a misunderstanding which springs in part from the over-simple and propagandist media coverage of the Libyan rebels during their uprising in 2011. They were presented as white hats and Gaddafi’s forces as black hats, while journalists, and particularly TV channels, uncritically broadcast reports that government troops were involved in mass rape. When such tales of atrocities were discredited by Amnesty International, they were ignored....[/quote]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/killing-of-us-ambassador-is-...

Now. back to cheering the "freedom fighters" of Syria, hooray!

Mr.Tea

As I suspected "Sam Bacile" doesn't actually exist and is a pseudonym and nobody knows who really made the film, not that it should matter.

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[quote=Mr.Tea]

As I suspected "Sam Bacile" doesn't actually exist and is a pseudonym and nobody knows who really made the film, not that it should matter.

[/quote]

I tend to agree, based on suspicious articles like [url=http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/09/12/filmmaker-sam-bacile-in-... one[/url].

This sounds tailor-made to create some anti-semitic hysteria. Ultra-religious folks on all sides of every spectrum are not noted for their facility at making subtle distinctions between reality and bullshit.

 

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Ah - I see that Paul Dewar, after accidentally slipping from the script about Iran, has been dragged back into compliance with the correct line on Libya. According to him, a Libyan crowd attacking and killing representatives of an invading force is not simply murder or whatever - it's "terrorism". These bullshitters are not fit to carry the name "Opposition".

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Today I was saddened to learn of the violent attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens along with three embassy staff. New Democrats unequivocally condemn this brutal and senseless act of terrorism.

Our thoughts are with the family, friends and colleagues of all the US personnel stationed at the consulate during this attack, especially those who lost loved ones.

We ask the government to work with our international partners to send a clear message that this kind of violence is unacceptable. We must work together to ensure the people of Libya can live in a nation free of violence and fear. [/quote]

[my emphasis - I love irony - Dewar is one of the best]

[url=http://www.ndp.ca/news/statement-ndp-foreign-affairs-critic-paul-dewar-k... by the chastened and re-indoctrinated NDP Foreign Affairs critic Paul Dewar on killing of US so-called "diplomatic staff" in Libya[/url]

Ummm, notice that neither Mulcair nor Dewar condemned the destruction of Libya by invading forces (of course) - but nor did they condemn the publication of a provocative film insulting the prophet.

6079_Smith_W

On Bacile,

Interesting that he mentions, but doesn't name  "Jewish fundraisers" and PressTV laps it up. Why would it be in both their interests to do that?

From what I have been hearing about the fellow he is more aligned with right wing Christians, including  anti choice campaigns, among other things. And the name that he is associated most with in the news is Pastor Terry Jones. Given the tone or the rhetoric, and its origin in the states, it makes far more sense.

 

 

 

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Re "Jewish fundraisers" - I agree. This is just anti-semitic crap which ignorant people lap up, just as you say. And few are more ignorant than the Ayatollahs.

 

contrarianna

[quote=6079_Smith_W]

On Bacile,

Interesting that he mentions, but doesn't name  "Jewish fundraisers" and PressTV laps it up. Why would it be in both their interests to do that?

[/quote]

Maybe they read Haaretz, or naively believe US mainstream media that took the self described filmmaker at his word.

[quote]The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.[/quote]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/israeli-filmmaker-in-hiding-afte...

The latest is that he is a Coptic Christian.

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

There may be no anti-Islamic movie at all (of sorts)

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If you watch closely, you can see that when the actors are reading parts of the script that do not contain Islam-specific language, the audio from the sound stage is used (the audio that was recorded as the actors were simultaneously being filmed). But anytime the actors are referring to something specific to the religion (the Prophet Muhammed, the Quran, etc.) the audio recorded during filming is replaced with a poorly executed post-production dub. And if you look EVEN closer, you can see that the actors’ mouths are saying something other than what the dub is saying.

For example, at 2:53, the voiceover says “His name is Muhammed. And we can call him The Father Unknown.” In this case, the whole line is dubbed, and it appears the actor is actually saying, “His name is George (?). And we can call him The Father Unknown.” I assume the filmmakers thought they were being slick, thinking that dubbing the whole line instead of just the name would make it more seamless and less noticeable to the viewer. But once you start to look for these dubs, it’s hard to see anything else.

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It gets better than that...

Actress: Director of anti-Islamic film deceived us

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Cindy Lee Garcia told Gawker that she called the film's writer and director, who has now gone into hiding, when she saw the protests and his quotes in the media.

"'Why did you do this?' and he said, 'I'm tired of   radical Islamists killing each other. Let other actors know it's not   their fault,'" she told Gawker. "I'm going to sue his butt off."

She said the mysterious filmmaker, who's identified himself as Sam Bacile, said on set that he was Egyptian and spoke Arabic with his associates. (A report from the Atlantic indicated the filmmaker was not Jewish or Israeli, as the filmmaker stated earlier in interviews.) Garcia said she was horrified when she discovered the video's connection to the deaths of four Americans after an assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya.

"Now we have people dead because of a movie I was in," she said. "It makes me sick."

Garcia said the only ruckus she saw during her three days on set in July 2011 involved the filmmaker's request that the character appearing to viewers as Muhammad sleep with a girl who looked 7 years old, rather than 10. Assistant directors protested, Garcia said.

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Another read on the actress.

I'm sure more will come out as time passes.

 

6079_Smith_W

[quote=contrarianna]

[quote=6079_Smith_W]

On Bacile,

Interesting that he mentions, but doesn't name  "Jewish fundraisers" and PressTV laps it up. Why would it be in both their interests to do that?

[/quote]

Maybe they read Haaretz, or naively believe US mainstream media that took the self described filmmaker at his word.

[/quote]

As I said, why would it be in both their interests to do that?

Does that mean they're the only ones with an interest in driving this nasty little story? I doubt it.

But at least some in the mainstream media are getting to the bottom of those unverified claims and turning them on their head.

100 Jewish Donors? From the sounds of this film of they used their Canadian Tire money, and I don't wonder that they don't want their names used - if they even exist.

 

 

 

 

 

NorthReport

Mystery Man Behind The Anti-Muslim Film Blamed For Attacks

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/sam_bacile_film_embass...

NorthReport
NDPP

US Officials Investigating Whether Libya Attack Was Tied to 9/11 Anniversary

http://rt.com/usa/news/attack-libya-us-planned-989/

"...CNN's source claimed Tuesday's attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya was planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion.' Intellignce officials also reportedly said the attack on the Benghazi consulate was too coordinated or professional to be spontanerous..."

 

'Innocence of Muslims' Actors, Crew Duped by Director

http://rt.com/news/israeli-filmmaker-hiding-muhammad-932/

"Meanwhile, the press questions Bacile's identity.."

 

'Sam Bacile, Israeli Jew', May Actually Be Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, Coptic Christian

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/sam-bacile-isra...

"...So, if this is true, then a group of Christians, or at least one Christian, eager to slander Muslims have endangered Jews.."

NDPP

US Sends Marines to Libya After Ambassador's Killing  -  by Bill Van Auken

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/sep2012/liby-s13.shtml

"No doubt a contributing factor to Tuesday's bloody events is the fact that the US-NATO war has brought no benefit to masses of Libyans who are increasingly embittered over the destruction of their country..."

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From NDPP's linked Atlantic item above:

[quote]The story that "Sam Bacile" is an Israeli Jew, with "100 Jewish donors," has spread across the Middle East. It is not possible to withdraw such a story. The onus for violence is on the people who commit violence, of course. But if true, this fiction that the anti-Muhammad movie was a Jewish production is cowardly and despicable. [/quote]

Exactly - and as the article states, this story could never have spread if it hadn't been reported, without fact-checking, by Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal.

 

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[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19584734]U.S. embassy in Yemen stormed in film protest[/url]

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Protesters angered by an anti-Islam film made in the US have briefly stormed the grounds of the American embassy in the Yemeni capital, Sanaa.

Police shot in the air in an attempt to hold back the crowds, but failed to prevent them gaining access to the compound and setting fire to vehicles.

Angry protests have taken place across the Middle East and north Africa.

[/quote]

6079_Smith_W

Speaking of not getting one's facts straight, Romney seems to have put his foot in it by calling a condemnation of the film (which was made before the attacks) an apology. And in his opinion, you should never apologize for American values.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/13/republicans-pounce-on-romney-for...

A NYT editorial on "Mitt's Major Meltdown"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/opinion/collins-mitts-major-meltdown.h...

In other news, Rush Limbaugh has said that al Quaeda gave up Bin Ladin to make Obama look good.

Since this film idea was hatched in the U.S., I wonder how much of it was intended to justify a crackdown in the countries where the attacks happened, and how much was intended to throw a monkey wrench into the U.S. election, and put a more staunch ally in the president's stool. Not to drift too far into that aspect of it, of course.

 

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

[quote=NDPP]

US Sends Marines to Libya After Ambassador's Killing  -  by Bill Van Auken

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/sep2012/liby-s13.shtml

[/quote]

From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country's battles
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean:
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marine.
Our flag's unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in every clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes;
You will find us always on the job
The United States Marines.
Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve;
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.
Tongue out
I wonder when they will be dispatched to the snowy Northern Lands?
NDPP

Humiliation and Rage in Libya  -  by Vijay Prashad

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/12/humiliation-and-rage-in-libya/

"...It is too early to make a full judgment about the attack on the US consulate. Details are slowly emerging about the nature of the protest and the firing of the grendade at the consular building itself. But it is not too early to assert that the protest emerged out of a long-standing sense of humiliation and shame, at the sanctification of Islamophobia in the West and the failure of the political institutions in the new North Africa to take into consideration the sacrifices and the programs of the Islamists."

Mr Blowback Rising in Benghazi  - by Pepe Escobar

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mr-blowback-rising-in-benghazi/

"Daddy, what is blowback?"

Mr.Tea

[quote=Unionist]

Exactly - and as the article states, this story could never have spread if it hadn't been reported, without fact-checking, by Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal.

[/quote]

This was really terrible journalism. The guy - "Sam Bacile" - was reported as a "prominent real estate developer" in California. If one is, in fact, developing and buying and selling real estate, it leaves quite a paper trail. And yet there's no piece of paper tying one "Sam Bacile" to any company, any transaction, anything at all. You'd think that before you run stories of this significance, you may want to spend 5 minutes on Google and try to obtain some basic semblance of the facts.

contrarianna

[quote=Mr.Tea]

[quote=Unionist]

Exactly - and as the article states, this story could never have spread if it hadn't been reported, without fact-checking, by Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal.

[/quote]

This was really terrible journalism. ...

[/quote]

This is standard fair.
Lack of fact checking and the demise of investigative journalism is a reality--partly a media economic decision, and part political.

The only difference here is that there is a large contingent in the media and others who are motivated to dig down past that particular incongenial bullshit.

This is in marked contrast the vast bulk of congenial bullshit that usually goes without fact checking, unchallenged by the mainstream media and the governments that they shill for.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+death+of+fact-checking%3A+what+the+%22...

The absurd reportage on the Libya war and the lastest casus belli for example.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Feds ID California man's role in anti-Islam film

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A federal law enforcement official said Thursday that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was the man behind "Innocence of Muslims," a film denigrating Islam and the Prophet Muhammad that sparked protests earlier in the week in Egypt and Libya and now in Yemen. U.S. authorities are investigating whether the deaths of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya came during a terrorist attack.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation, said Nakoula was connected to the persona of Sam Bacile, a figure who initially claimed to be the writer and director of the film. But Bacile quickly turned out to a false identity and the Associated Press traced a cellphone number used by Bacile to a southern California house where Nakoula was found.

Bacile initially claimed a Jewish and Israeli background. But others involved in the film said his statements were contrived as evidence mounted that the film's key player was a southern Californian Coptic Christian with a checkered past.

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There you have it.

 

NDPP

and here you have it....

Anti-US Anger in the Arab World - LIVE timeline

http://rt.com/news/anti-american-protests-live-updates-053/

"Anti US protests have engulfed much of the Arab world after clips from a controversial film satirizing the Prophet Muhammad appeared online..."

 

Film Triggers Muslims Deep Seated Anger Over US Imperial Oppression: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/09/13/261410/muslim-anger-highlights-us-o...

"An Anti-Islamic film made in the US designed to humiliate the Islamic religion has been condemned throughout the world and ignited a spate of violent protests. Interview with Ralph Schoenmann.."

 

Prophet Mohammed, Muslim's Red Line (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/09/14/261468/prophet-mohammed-muslims-red...

"Interview with Zafar Bangash, director of Contemporary Islamic Thought.."

 

Arab Media Reports US Ambassador Was Anally Raped by Muslim Mobs Before Being Murdered, Paraded in Streets

http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs/arab-media-reports-us-ambassador...

"Arab media outlets are reporting, with graphic images, that US Ambassador Christopher Stevens was raped and his naked body paraded through the streets of Benghazi. The sources said that 'Ambassador [Stevens] was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi.."

chickens come home to roost...

NorthReport

Freedom fighters?

This is just another example of the rich against the poor with religion being used to distract people so that the rich can keep and protect their wealth

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Anti-Muslim film screening: L.A. gadfly tried to warn city leaders

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/la-gadfly-tried-to-warn-ci...

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[quote=NorthReport]

Freedom fighters?

This is just another example of the rich against the poor with religion being used to distract people so that the rich can keep and protect their wealth

[/quote]

Yeah, I was being kind of ironic, as Catchfire divined upthread. Didn't Canada - with the obscene cheerleading of the "official opposition" - invade and bomb Libya, and leer ghoulishly over Gaddafi's murdered corpse, in order to install "freedom fighters" to replace him? We are responsible for what has befallen the Libyan people, make no mistake about it. Think Afghanistan.

 

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As anti-U.S. demonstrations continue or commence in Yemen, Sudan, Tunisia, Iraq, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Lebanon, Egypt, and Libya, poor misunderstood Amerika is confused:

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/14/egypt-nbc]Glenn Greenwald: U.S. angrily marvels at the lack of Moslem gratitude[/url]

NDPP

As Violent Protests Spread in Middle East, Canadian Hindu Group Screening Anti-Islam Film to Make a Point About Tolerance

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/13/as-violent-protest-spread-in-mid...

"...Mr Banerjee said the Toronto movie screening will be an inter-faith presentation and he is working with members of the Sikh, Jewish and Christian communities."

This is simply a provocation designed to make trouble  Long time babblers will know of Mr Banerjee - joined at the hip to the Jewish Defence League Canada. For those that don't just put his name in babble's search box..

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[quote=NDPP]

 Long time babblers will know of Mr Banerjee - joined at the hip to the Jewish Defence League Canada. For those that don't just put his name in babble's search box..

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Not surprising that the National Post would give prominent space to this two-bit fascist Banerjee. He and some fellow trolls used to try to post here. Aka Mycroft summed him up well in [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/national-news/jewish-tribune-persecuted-hindus-s... 2009[/url]:

[quote]

That's Ron Banerjee, a far right  Hindu fundamentalist supporter of the BJP and fascist RSS in India. He used to run an outfit called the Hindu Conference of Canada. In the middle of last year he launched Canadian Hindu Advocacy. It's unclear if he was thrown out of his old organization (which would be quite a feat since it appears to have been a one man show) or if he just folded it for some reason (eg unpaid bills) and started a new one man operation. The only consistency is Banerjee's statements is the hatred of Muslims - so he's backed the Serbs against the Bosnians, the Israelis against the Palestinians, the US against Iraq and Iran and also come out against faith school funding because it would have funded Muslim schools.

He teamed up with the JDL a few years ago to oppose the construction of a mosque in Newmarket and has worked with them several times since then. He's also associated with the Canadian Coalition for Democracies.  [/quote]

 

6079_Smith_W

@ NDPP #33

I'm not sure I get the point. Are these commentators saying that violent attack on an embassy,  and murder are a justified response to religious ridicule by some fringe group? Good to know where the red line is. Now everyone who wants to inflame the situation knows just what they have to do.

Though it begs the question of why some people cordoned off the areas around one of the embassies before the grenades started flying. If it is truly an insult that demands violent response you'd think the entire country would have a religious duty to be in on it, no? But that isn't exactly what is happening.

Frankly I think that is nonsense, and I also think this has far more to do with profits than prophets and more earthly power than the godly kind. In that respect, I think the media arm of the Iranian government is shilling a line that isn't all that different than Mr. Bacile's.

 

contrarianna

No interest in checking Banerjee  background, just a parroting of his ludicrous claim that he wants to show this violence-provoking hate flick  because:

[quote]It promotes tolerance of different ideas and different viewpoints within Canada,” Ron Banerjee, director of the Canadian Hindu Advocacy, said Thursday....[/quote]

Was somebody earlier talking about the exceptional failure of the media fact checking the film maker's self-proclaimed background? Don't make me laugh.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

As much as some here want it to be the current protests are not about anti-imperialism, they are not about free speech, they are not about GITMO, or western dress trends, or drinking beer or or eating pork; they are about blasphemy. While most of us here in the West tend to laugh blasphemy off as old world stuff from days gone by other parts of the world do not share that view.

Notice how the most violent protests are in countries where they have blasphemy laws that protect Islam (or religion). The people are angry the makers of the video aren’t being arrested and hold our government responsible for it. By their thought process if we, the people of the USA, don’t demand the arrest of these people that must mean we as a nation support what they done (committing blasphemy against Islam, not to be confused with supporting their right under our laws to do make the video). That’s how they end up outside our embassies more angry over this stuff as compared to when we bomb or invade a Muslim country. Hard to understand isn't it?

Many are demanding the makers of this video be held to thier laws... Should they?

contrarianna

While avoiding linking directly  to hate sites and films, here is a video description  on youtube (the "rep" mentioned is of course  the "tolerance" advocate himself, Banerjee).
He spews why Islam isn't even a religion and even calling it such is "an insult to all other religions"

[quote] Uploaded by canhindadv on Jan 23, 2010

The CANADIAN HINDU ADVOCACY spoke at a support rally for GEERT WILDERS sponsored by the Jewish Defence League of Canada. Here, a rep discusses Islamic characteristics including references to Muhammad's crimes .. and he highlights that Islamic civilization has contributed less to advancement than a pack of donkeys.
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@ Bec

I'm not so sure about that. I think a lot of people on all sides of this would like us to bellieve that all Muslims are fanatics who can't control themselves if you cross that red line. But having heard interviews with people there who stayed away, as well as the odd timing of all this, I think there is a bit more orchestration involved. If it was an uncontrolled mob outraged at blasphemy against their prophet then how did they manage to line up people to do crowd control? Did someone just have that grenade launcher sitting in their closet?

I am noticing more how these protests are happening in countries where there is an interest in controlling the people - and also how most of those harping on this religious line, including the makers of the film, and some in the western media -have some very secular interests behind all the rhetoric.

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I think it is far more complex than just pointing to religion.  The Arab Spring protestors came from the complete cross section of the population.  The people in the streets have a lot of reasons to be there and we likely only understabnd one or two at best.

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The crowds in both Cairo and Benghazi included not only radical Islamists, but also groups such as Egypt’s Ultras, the soccer fan club that played an important role in the 2011 revolution. The media has concentrated on the presence of bearded men and black flags to paint these protests as the work of Salafis, and to point the finger at Ansar al-Shariah and other fringe groups. The black flag (the banner of the eagle) does not, of course, belong solely to al-Qaeda or even to Islamic radicalism. It has become a commonplace symbol used by those who want a more robust Islamic presence in the public sphere as well as by those who want to live under an Islamic theocracy. Both claim the flag, so its presence is not conclusive about the currents that took part in this, and other such events. It will take time to fully understand the roots of such violent acts, after careful forensic reporting on those who came to the protests. Nevertheless, some preliminary observations can be made regarding the ongoing social convulsions, at least in the Libyan case.

Benghazi’s Long Resentment of the West

This is not the first such protest in Benghazi, the eastern city of Libya. Over the course of this year, tumult has been the order of the day. In January, a crowd stormed the headquarters of the National Transitional Council. In April, a bomb was thrown at a convoy that included the head of the UN Mission to Libya, and another bomb exploded at a courthouse. In May, a rocket was fired at the Red Cross office. A convoy carrying the head of the British consulate was attacked in June, and since then the consulate has been abandoned. In August, a pipe bomb exploded in front of the US consulate building. Frustration with the West is commonplace amongst sections of society, who are not Gaddafi loyalists, but on the contrary fought valiantly in the 2011 civil war against Gaddafi. The NATO intervention did not mollify a much more fundamental grievance they have against the US-UK, namely the sense of humiliation of the Arab world against the arrogance of Western domination in cultural and political terms.

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'US Could Drone Libya to Death' (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/libya-salafi-muslim-obama-098/

"Washington's hopes of dealing with the situation caused by a controversial film that;s sparked outrage in the Moslem world are paralyzed by the looming presidential election, Pepe Escobar, Asia Times correspondent told RT..."

 

Anti-Islam Movie Work of CIA Mormons, Zionists: Analyst (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/09/15/261685/antiislam-film-produced-...

"The recent anti-Islam film insulting the prophet of Islam has caused Muslim's anger across the globe. Webster Griffin Tarpley interviewed.."

 

Salafism + CIA: The Winning Formula to Destabilize Russia, the Middle East  -  by F William Engdahl

http://www.voltairenet.org/Salafism-CIA-A-formula-to

"The assassination of the most respected Sufi religious leader in Dagestan, Russia's volatile Caucasus, comes as Salafist jihadists in Libya murder a US Ambassador who was actually a key player in ousting Gaddafi and bringing the Salafist Muslim Brotherhood and Jihadists into power. Throughout the entire Islamic world today, a wave of hate is being unleashed in the name of Islamic fundamentalism that could bring a new world war. This is the consequence of the Greater Middle East Project, put in place in 2010 and earlier by the Washington-London-Tel Aviv axis. Manipulating religious fervor is an explosive cocktail as F William Engdahl shows here..."

 

NorthReport

This recent flareup started Sep 11 in Libya, did it not?

Al-Qaeda group urges more attacks on U.S. embassies

Killing of U.S. ambassador 'best example' to follow, militants in Yemen say

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/15/muslim-anger-muhammad-movi...

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The Unspoken Truth Regarding the Killings in Libya    -  by Cynthia McKinney

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-unspoken-truth-regarding-the-killings-i...

"The unfolding situation in Libya is troubling, not only for the bloodletting and carnage that is taking place, but also because of the murkiness that surrounds the events themselves. I have several observations and a few questions..."

and how pertinent and excellent they are...

NorthReport

Never mind all this conspiracy nonsense.

Please correct me if i am wrong but I am not seeing anything that links Israel to this film, and without some soiid evidence it is inappropriate to do so. 

And who is this scriptwriter Stephen Klein?

Calif. man linked to anti-Islamic movie interviewed, released; avoiding besieged home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/federal-probation-depa...

California man linked to anti-Islamic movie questionedNakoula Basseley Nakoula not under arrest

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/15/muhammad-filmmaker.html

730

 

NorthReport
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'The Quiet American': The Death of J Christopher Stevens  -  by Bill van Auken

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/sep2012/quie-s14.shtml

"I never knew a man who had better motives for all the trouble he caused,' Graham Greene's narrator says of Alden Pyle. THe description seems apt as the eulogies pour in for J Christopher Stevens, the US ambassador to Libya. Stevens was a career operative for US imperialism in the Middle East.."

 

Ken Loach: 'September 11'  (and vid)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xghdk_11_september_ken_loach=news?start...

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