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Libyan and Egyptian freedom fighters mark 9/11 anniversary

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From the Guardian:

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Two onslaughts in two of the cities that witnessed the historic drama of the Arab spring last year do not an Islamist winter make. But both underline the glowering and dangerous presence of the sort of radical Muslim fundamentalists whom the old regimes kept at bay or in prison and who are now free to pursue their agendas. Gaddafi and Mubarak may have been unreconstructed dictators, but by and large they did Washington's bidding. And US diplomats were usually safe.

Libya is the more disturbing case. On a day when Gaddafi's democratically elected heirs were due to announce a new prime minister, it will be infuriating to have global attention diverted to the Salafi extremists of Ansar al-Sharia who attacked the Benghazi consulate with rocket-propelled grenades – and killed an American official who was instrumental in helping overthrow the man who ruled unchallenged for 42 years. It will also highlight the grave problem of security as the authorities in Tripoli struggle to create a functioning national police force and control militia weapons.

Conspiracy theories are two a penny in the Middle East, but it was surely no coincidence that both incidents took place on 11 September – a date that will be associated with the notion of an inevitable "clash of civilizations" long after both Osama bin Laden and George W Bush are gone.


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US Ambassador, Consul Among 4 Killed in Militia Attack on Benghazi Consulate (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/us-ambassador-libya-killed-946/

"Libya officials say the ambassador and three other embassy staff members were killed after militants fired rockets at their car. The violence was part of a protest against an American amateur film 'Innocence of Muslims' deemed offensive to the Prophet Muhammad. The film was produced by a US-based group that includes Terry Long, a Christian pastor involved in a Koran-burning scandal that triggered protests in Afghanistan.."

 

Anti-Islam Movie Directed, Produced by Israeli-American: US Media

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/09/12/261104/antiislam-movie-made-by-isra...

"The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday that Israeli-American Sam Bacile has directed and produced the blasphemous movie. Bacile, 52, is a real estate developer living in southern California and a sworn enemy of Islam. He has assumed responsibility for the film, which he said were made thanks to Jewish donations totaling $5 Million.."

 

Obama Condemns Killing of US Ambassador to Libya (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/12/libya-us-ambassador.html

"...Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird also condemned the 'senseless' attack. 'We call upon Libyan authorities to take all necessary measures to protect diplomatic premises in accordance with Libya's international obligations,' Baird said in a statement. 'We also urge Libya officials to ensure the extremists responsible are brought to swift justice...

In an interview with AP, [Israeli-American film-maker Sam] Bacile called Islam a cancer and said he intended his film to be a provocative statement condemning the religion. 'This is a political movie,' he said.

Zionists...again.

never would have happened under Gadhafi. Oh but unlike Tehran, our embassy in Tripoli is still open for business...


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What goes around comes around.  I will note that none of the ongoing chaos in the streets of Libya has any effect on the production and shipment of the oil from the heavily guarded oil infrastructure.  As well isn't it great that the oil now gets sent to Europe and not that evil China. 

Libya and Iraq are great examples of the progress that the people of a country can make when we in the west intervene to replace their dictators.

Money mouth

I find the 9/11 connection interesting.  It is 39 years since the coup in Chile.  It is also about 40 years since the Americans began arming and training the type of people that committed these killings in Libya. In Afghanistan the people have paid the price with 2,000,000 dead in the last 40 years. That in a country with a similar sized population as Canada's.  Most of those deaths are directly attributable to America arming and training fanatics.

 


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US-Backed Terrorists Murder US' Own Ambassador in Libya  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/09/us-backed-terrorists-murder-us-...

"Murdered US ambassador exposes US 'pro-democracy' foreign policy - same terrorists US backs in Syria are behind the murder of US ambassador in Libya. With Russia openly accusing the West of using Al Qaeda as their direct, militant proxies in Syria and beyond, this latest attempt to purposefully provoke and incite Muslims across the Arab World is an attempt by th eWest to re-establish the perception that the US and Israel are at war with sectarian extremists, not partnered with them.."


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John Baird wrote:
We also urge Libya officials to ensure the extremists responsible are brought to swift justice...

Or, we urge the extremists responsible to ensure that the Libya officials are brought to swift justice?

It is becoming so very difficult to distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys. How is a poor CF-18 fighter pilot supposed to know whom to bomb the shit out of these days?? Especially when the marching orders may change in mid-flight?

 


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Oh dear. This thread title reminds me I like my cynicism like I like my Johnny Walker.


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Catchfire wrote:

Oh dear. This thread title reminds me I like my cynicism like I like my Johnny Walker.

You ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait till you see the next one I open in Canadian politics.


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Irony is to cynicism like any decent single malt is to JW's Red. I would rate the thread title a JW Black, almost cynical but still mostly ironic.

That is the second validation message this morning.  Tongue out


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Unionist wrote:

Catchfire wrote:

Oh dear. This thread title reminds me I like my cynicism like I like my Johnny Walker.

You ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait till you see the next one I open in Canadian politics.

All right, I went easy on Mulcair. I don't want to be defending two ironic thread titles simultaneously. "Pick your battles", as the pro-democracy forces of Cairo and Benghazi are wont to say.


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US Ambassador Killed in Benghazi, Libya

http://libyasos.blogspot.ca/2012/09/us-ambassador-killed-in-benghazi-lib...

"The US ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens has died as Feb 17 'freedom fighters' stormed the US consulate and killed him. In Benghazi: the birthplace of NATO/USA/NTC's revolution.."

and somewhere up above it all the ghost of Moammar G is smiling...

 

Sam Bacile's 'The Muhammad Movie' (and vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6yGzpSvjU&feature=player_embedded


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From Hillary Clinton's statement:

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"... Chris was one of the first Americans on the ground in Benghazi."

Sheesh.

 


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This is a surprise to no one who paid attention, and of course ignored by the coterie of babbling shills for "freedom fighters" and NATO.


Quote:
atrick Cockburn
Wednesday 12 September 2012

Bloody violence in Libya and protests in Egypt should dispel any notion that these revolutions were a vote in favour of Western ideals.

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 It is true that its leaders in Benghazi were astute enough from the beginning to play down the role of Islamic militants in the uprising which began on 15 February 2011. They had no wish to frighten Western opinion when they were angling for military support from Nato which they were to receive the following month as Gaddafi's tanks advanced on Benghazi.
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This would be a misunderstanding which springs in part from the over-simple and propagandist media coverage of the Libyan rebels during their uprising in 2011. They were presented as white hats and Gaddafi’s forces as black hats, while journalists, and particularly TV channels, uncritically broadcast reports that government troops were involved in mass rape. When such tales of atrocities were discredited by Amnesty International, they were ignored....


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/killing-of-us-ambassador-is-...


Now. back to cheering the "freedom fighters" of Syria, hooray!


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As I suspected "Sam Bacile" doesn't actually exist and is a pseudonym and nobody knows who really made the film, not that it should matter.


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Mr.Tea wrote:

As I suspected "Sam Bacile" doesn't actually exist and is a pseudonym and nobody knows who really made the film, not that it should matter.

I tend to agree, based on suspicious articles like this one.

This sounds tailor-made to create some anti-semitic hysteria. Ultra-religious folks on all sides of every spectrum are not noted for their facility at making subtle distinctions between reality and bullshit.

 


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Ah - I see that Paul Dewar, after accidentally slipping from the script about Iran, has been dragged back into compliance with the correct line on Libya. According to him, a Libyan crowd attacking and killing representatives of an invading force is not simply murder or whatever - it's "terrorism". These bullshitters are not fit to carry the name "Opposition".

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Today I was saddened to learn of the violent attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens along with three embassy staff. New Democrats unequivocally condemn this brutal and senseless act of terrorism.

Our thoughts are with the family, friends and colleagues of all the US personnel stationed at the consulate during this attack, especially those who lost loved ones.

We ask the government to work with our international partners to send a clear message that this kind of violence is unacceptable. We must work together to ensure the people of Libya can live in a nation free of violence and fear.

[my emphasis - I love irony - Dewar is one of the best]

Statement by the chastened and re-indoctrinated NDP Foreign Affairs critic Paul Dewar on killing of US so-called "diplomatic staff" in Libya

Ummm, notice that neither Mulcair nor Dewar condemned the destruction of Libya by invading forces (of course) - but nor did they condemn the publication of a provocative film insulting the prophet.


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On Bacile,

Interesting that he mentions, but doesn't name  "Jewish fundraisers" and PressTV laps it up. Why would it be in both their interests to do that?

From what I have been hearing about the fellow he is more aligned with right wing Christians, including  anti choice campaigns, among other things. And the name that he is associated most with in the news is Pastor Terry Jones. Given the tone or the rhetoric, and its origin in the states, it makes far more sense.

 

 

 


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Re "Jewish fundraisers" - I agree. This is just anti-semitic crap which ignorant people lap up, just as you say. And few are more ignorant than the Ayatollahs.

 


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6079_Smith_W wrote:

On Bacile,

Interesting that he mentions, but doesn't name  "Jewish fundraisers" and PressTV laps it up. Why would it be in both their interests to do that?

Maybe they read Haaretz, or naively believe US mainstream media that took the self described filmmaker at his word.

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The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/israeli-filmmaker-in-hiding-afte...

The latest is that he is a Coptic Christian.

 


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There may be no anti-Islamic movie at all (of sorts)

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If you watch closely, you can see that when the actors are reading parts of the script that do not contain Islam-specific language, the audio from the sound stage is used (the audio that was recorded as the actors were simultaneously being filmed). But anytime the actors are referring to something specific to the religion (the Prophet Muhammed, the Quran, etc.) the audio recorded during filming is replaced with a poorly executed post-production dub. And if you look EVEN closer, you can see that the actors’ mouths are saying something other than what the dub is saying.

For example, at 2:53, the voiceover says “His name is Muhammed. And we can call him The Father Unknown.” In this case, the whole line is dubbed, and it appears the actor is actually saying, “His name is George (?). And we can call him The Father Unknown.” I assume the filmmakers thought they were being slick, thinking that dubbing the whole line instead of just the name would make it more seamless and less noticeable to the viewer. But once you start to look for these dubs, it’s hard to see anything else.

It gets better than that...

Actress: Director of anti-Islamic film deceived us

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Cindy Lee Garcia told Gawker that she called the film's writer and director, who has now gone into hiding, when she saw the protests and his quotes in the media.

"'Why did you do this?' and he said, 'I'm tired of   radical Islamists killing each other. Let other actors know it's not   their fault,'" she told Gawker. "I'm going to sue his butt off."

She said the mysterious filmmaker, who's identified himself as Sam Bacile, said on set that he was Egyptian and spoke Arabic with his associates. (A report from the Atlantic indicated the filmmaker was not Jewish or Israeli, as the filmmaker stated earlier in interviews.) Garcia said she was horrified when she discovered the video's connection to the deaths of four Americans after an assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya.

"Now we have people dead because of a movie I was in," she said. "It makes me sick."

Garcia said the only ruckus she saw during her three days on set in July 2011 involved the filmmaker's request that the character appearing to viewers as Muhammad sleep with a girl who looked 7 years old, rather than 10. Assistant directors protested, Garcia said.

Another read on the actress.

I'm sure more will come out as time passes.

 


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contrarianna wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

On Bacile,

Interesting that he mentions, but doesn't name  "Jewish fundraisers" and PressTV laps it up. Why would it be in both their interests to do that?

Maybe they read Haaretz, or naively believe US mainstream media that took the self described filmmaker at his word.

As I said, why would it be in both their interests to do that?

Does that mean they're the only ones with an interest in driving this nasty little story? I doubt it.

But at least some in the mainstream media are getting to the bottom of those unverified claims and turning them on their head.

100 Jewish Donors? From the sounds of this film of they used their Canadian Tire money, and I don't wonder that they don't want their names used - if they even exist.

 

 

 

 

 


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Mystery Man Behind The Anti-Muslim Film Blamed For Attacks

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/sam_bacile_film_embass...


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US Officials Investigating Whether Libya Attack Was Tied to 9/11 Anniversary

http://rt.com/usa/news/attack-libya-us-planned-989/

"...CNN's source claimed Tuesday's attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya was planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion.' Intellignce officials also reportedly said the attack on the Benghazi consulate was too coordinated or professional to be spontanerous..."

 

'Innocence of Muslims' Actors, Crew Duped by Director

http://rt.com/news/israeli-filmmaker-hiding-muhammad-932/

"Meanwhile, the press questions Bacile's identity.."

 

'Sam Bacile, Israeli Jew', May Actually Be Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, Coptic Christian

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/sam-bacile-isra...

"...So, if this is true, then a group of Christians, or at least one Christian, eager to slander Muslims have endangered Jews.."


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US Sends Marines to Libya After Ambassador's Killing  -  by Bill Van Auken

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/sep2012/liby-s13.shtml

"No doubt a contributing factor to Tuesday's bloody events is the fact that the US-NATO war has brought no benefit to masses of Libyans who are increasingly embittered over the destruction of their country..."


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From NDPP's linked Atlantic item above:

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The story that "Sam Bacile" is an Israeli Jew, with "100 Jewish donors," has spread across the Middle East. It is not possible to withdraw such a story. The onus for violence is on the people who commit violence, of course. But if true, this fiction that the anti-Muhammad movie was a Jewish production is cowardly and despicable.

Exactly - and as the article states, this story could never have spread if it hadn't been reported, without fact-checking, by Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal.

 


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U.S. embassy in Yemen stormed in film protest

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Protesters angered by an anti-Islam film made in the US have briefly stormed the grounds of the American embassy in the Yemeni capital, Sanaa.

Police shot in the air in an attempt to hold back the crowds, but failed to prevent them gaining access to the compound and setting fire to vehicles.

Angry protests have taken place across the Middle East and north Africa.


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Speaking of not getting one's facts straight, Romney seems to have put his foot in it by calling a condemnation of the film (which was made before the attacks) an apology. And in his opinion, you should never apologize for American values.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/13/republicans-pounce-on-romney-for...

A NYT editorial on "Mitt's Major Meltdown"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/opinion/collins-mitts-major-meltdown.h...

In other news, Rush Limbaugh has said that al Quaeda gave up Bin Ladin to make Obama look good.

Since this film idea was hatched in the U.S., I wonder how much of it was intended to justify a crackdown in the countries where the attacks happened, and how much was intended to throw a monkey wrench into the U.S. election, and put a more staunch ally in the president's stool. Not to drift too far into that aspect of it, of course.

 

 


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NDPP wrote:

US Sends Marines to Libya After Ambassador's Killing  -  by Bill Van Auken

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/sep2012/liby-s13.shtml

From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country's battles
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean:
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marine.
Our flag's unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in every clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes;
You will find us always on the job
The United States Marines.
Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve;
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

Tongue out

I wonder when they will be dispatched to the snowy Northern Lands?

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Humiliation and Rage in Libya  -  by Vijay Prashad

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/12/humiliation-and-rage-in-libya/

"...It is too early to make a full judgment about the attack on the US consulate. Details are slowly emerging about the nature of the protest and the firing of the grendade at the consular building itself. But it is not too early to assert that the protest emerged out of a long-standing sense of humiliation and shame, at the sanctification of Islamophobia in the West and the failure of the political institutions in the new North Africa to take into consideration the sacrifices and the programs of the Islamists."

Mr Blowback Rising in Benghazi  - by Pepe Escobar

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mr-blowback-rising-in-benghazi/

"Daddy, what is blowback?"


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Unionist wrote:

Exactly - and as the article states, this story could never have spread if it hadn't been reported, without fact-checking, by Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal.

This was really terrible journalism. The guy - "Sam Bacile" - was reported as a "prominent real estate developer" in California. If one is, in fact, developing and buying and selling real estate, it leaves quite a paper trail. And yet there's no piece of paper tying one "Sam Bacile" to any company, any transaction, anything at all. You'd think that before you run stories of this significance, you may want to spend 5 minutes on Google and try to obtain some basic semblance of the facts.


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