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Caissa
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South Korea will conduct a new round of naval firing drills Monday -- but it is scheduled to steer clear of border islands, defense officials told the Yonhap News Agency.

The exercises, which will start Monday and end Friday, will take place off coasts on all sides of the country, the South Korean agency reported. None are scheduled near the Yellow Sea islands south of the maritime border with North Korea, defense officials said, but more locations could be added to the list.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/13/south.korea.drills/index...


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Snert
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Our thoughts and prayers go out to the innocent patches of open water that are sure to be the first victims.


Cueball
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That isn't the way that former US national intelligence director Dennis Blair looks at it.

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Blair, who just returned from the Korean peninsula, said he doesn't see a major war starting, but he believes recent aggression by the North will press South Korea into some lower level military confrontations.

He said there's support among South Koreans for their military to take a stronger stance, adding that "a South Korean government who does not react would not be able to survive there."

Apparently, the South Koreans can come up with any story at all, and the western press will swallow it whole hog, so they can more or less start any confrontation they choose, and you, among others, will not question it. But that is what being a "free thinker" is all about: taking coffee and learning daily talking points from the Toronto Sun and memorizing them so they can be regurgitated them on the internet during mental health minutes.

"I know I am free, I read it in the paper!"


Caissa
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The head of South Korea's army, Gen Hwang Eui-don, has resigned.

Defence officials confirmed that Gen Hwang stepped down after reports in the press linked him to a financial scandal involving a property investment.

His resignation comes amid heightened tensions on the Korean peninsula after North Korea's deadly shelling of a South Korean island last month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11988477

Maysie
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Cueball wrote:
  and you, among others, will not question it. But that is what being a "free thinker" is all about: taking coffee and learning daily talking points from the Toronto Sun and memorizing them so they can be regurgitated them on the internet during mental health minutes.

Cueball, this is a personal attack. Cut it out, now.


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South Korea said Thursday it will conduct artillery drills similar to ones that prompted North Korea to shell a front-line island last month - a move that risks further confrontation even as an American governor travelled to the North in a diplomatic effort to cool tensions.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/12/16/north-south-korea-richardson.html#ixzz18HK2FvKZ


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US Builds Military Alliance With Japan, South Korea for War in the East

http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/u-s-builds-military-alliance-...

"The Washington-Tokyo-Seoul military axis is preparing for war. And not only on the Korean Peninsula..


Fidel
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Korean war, 1950 - present. And a certain country's warfiteers and bankster financiers are desperate for four more wars.


Snert
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Then if North Korea really wants to jam their tarts, they should just ignore this, yes?  No war, no profits, no smiles on the faces of those warfiteers!  How often is a plan that simple, yet that foolproof?


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Not so simple that. I was teaching English in Korea up until late last month and please let me say that the southern Koreans truly (what is the word I am looking for? pity perhaps is best) their northern brothers and sisters. So many families are divided and even though the "DMZ" has been around forever sometimes people are allowed to cross over and meet long lost relatives. There is no real "hate" for the north. Mostly anger I would say and that is understandable considering some of the truly awful things the north has done (albeit under the direction of a very few individuals). There are plans for the eventual collapse of the North and how the South will be able to integrate its very different political culture. It would be fair to say that most non-elites in the north are very unaware of how thier nation is viewed in the south. It's actually far worse than the division between East and West Germany.

 


Fidel
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Snert wrote:
Then if North Korea really wants to jam their tarts, they should just ignore this, yes?  No war, no profits, no smiles on the faces of those warfiteers!  How often is a plan that simple, yet that foolproof?

They must be following Snert's excellent advice.

 

North Koreans say they won't retaliate against US-backed terrorism No more Tonkin style false flags! US Military out now!

So what now for the country whose economy is based largely on war? Will they up the ante through South Korean maneuvering? Will South Koreans resent their stooges being manipulated by Warshington? Strategy of tension backfires on warmongers.


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Fidel wrote:

Strategy of tension backfires on warmongers.

It sure does.

 And there is a peace movement in South Korea...

Just saying.

 


Fidel
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I still have this sneaking suspicion that a certain country whose economy is largely based on war is begging for a conflagration of war. And due to the most recent crisis of neoliberal voodoo, WW III just might fix the hopelessly bankrupt capitalist system. And keep in mind that psychotics in the RAND Corporation once advised the US Gov and Military that if only 10 or 20 million Americans survived a nuclear exchange with millions of people in Asia squatting on corporate America's private property, it would be a win-win situation. I really have to laugh my head off at the propaganda that says North Korean leaders are the biggest threat to peace in that region of the world. What a sad and yet hilarious joke that point of view is. God help us.


Bec.De.Corbin
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Fidel all South Korea has to do is out last North Korea. Sooner or later NK is going to fail. How ugly that failure is will be is up to the NK leadership and China. There will be no SK/US invasion of NK. All SK has to do is stay strong and endure these little jabs NK throws on occasions.

It's the same strategy as the "Taliban" in Afghanistan (tip of the hat to Unionist); all SK has to do is endure and wait, 10 weeks, 10 months, 10 years it doesn't matter.

This is over until the next incident the North decides to throw at the South.

Oh and Happy Holidays (everyone)...Smile

 


Fidel
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

Fidel all South Korea has to do is out last North Korea. Sooner or later NK is going to fail. How ugly that failure is will be is up to the NK leadership and China.

You mean like the US economy is failing? There are currently more than twice as many Americans in dire economic straights than North Korea has people. 44 million Americans are food insecure and 1 in 7 living on food stamps. It's astounding in a nation with unparalleled in the world amounts of arable farmland and with citrus and fruit imports subsidized by what amounts to slave labour in Latin America for the last 100 years in a row.

If North Korea, a country the size of the state of Mississippi and mainly mountainous does fail, it will be due to what George dubya says about it, that North Korea is the most sanctioned, most laid siege-to country by a vicious empire in modern history. But it won't be due to failed communist ideology. The capitalist system is failing for the umpteenth time since 14th century Italy. Economic failure is what capitalists know how to achieve under the most ideal peace time conditions and without anyone demonstrating it for them.


Bacchus
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I thought the sanctions against NK were for luxury good and weapons (plus nuclear plant stuff I guess)?

 

 


Bec.De.Corbin
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Let me worry about the USA economy, I live here.Wink

North Korea will fail because it's still fighting a slow burn (civil) war with the South... you seem to think there's peace, there isn't, there's only a cease fire agreement between the two belligerents. The Korean people for the most part are one people divided into two nations; there will be no peace until there is only one nation.  

The South is going to outlast the North. That is their strategy and if it involves siege warfare if sorts so be it.

If you know any Koreans ask them... don't just run to the college students, ask some of the older Koreans if you can find them. As you know I live with one so I already know the answer. They don't want war but they also don't want North Korea to last "forever".

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North Korea will fail because it's still fighting a slow burn (civil) war with the South... you seem to think there's peace, there isn't, there's only a cease fire agreement between the two belligerents.

Actually, I think the ceasefire is technically between North Korea(also signing on behalf of the Chinese volunteers), and the United Nations(basically the US). South Korea refused to endorse the ceasefire.

 

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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Let me worry about the USA economy, I live here.Wink

Don't worry, BDC, we are promoting open borders, and a priority lane for babblers, for when Washington, D.C. goes the way of ancient Rome. You'll be welcome here!

 


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Quote:

I thought the sanctions against NK were for luxury good and weapons (plus nuclear plant stuff I guess)?

 

Correct. All of North Korea's problems have their root in their inability to import Rolex watches and (more) weapons.

 

What? You didn't know that North Koreans eat luxury items and guns? Well, now you know.

 

Oh, the humanity!!!


Fidel
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The Yanks are afraid that the Koreas will unite and become an economic powerhouse that will add to the Asian colossus now out- competing the US economy. The Germanys united. It's time the US Military got the hell off the Korean peninsula and stopped threatening the North with nuclear annihilation. The US and Japan and S. Korea would hammer the snot out of North Korea if it came down to a war of nukes. But then again, there is China. And then there is Russia with nukes as well. The world doesn't need this shit. The world has been sold a pack of lies for the last 60 years about a system that is unsustainable over the long run. It's time for the 95% of people on this earth to realize they far outnumber the ones screwing things up as badly as they have.


Slumberjack
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Fidel wrote:
It's time for the 95% of people on this earth to realize they far outnumber the ones fucking things up as badly as they have.

Now there's an election slogan.


Fidel
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We all wish that elections could be the answer, but they are not. I'm afraid that the world will have to be brought to stand before the edge and forced to stare solemnly into the abyss before Mr Obama's change can be realized.  At the precipice we will all decide whether change is worth fighting for or not.


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Unionist wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Let me worry about the USA economy, I live here.Wink

Don't worry, BDC, we are promoting open borders, and a priority lane for babblers, for when Washington, D.C. goes the way of ancient Rome. You'll be welcome here!

I'll be riding with the Osrtogoths by then...Wink

 


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Fidel wrote:

The Yanks are afraid that the Koreas will unite and become an economic powerhouse that will add to the Asian colossus now out- competing the US economy.

That appears to be South Korean President Lee Myung-bak's policy. However, Japan and China would oppose it and the U.S.A. is of mixed opinion as a re-unified Korea would challenge the U.S.A.'s economic and military hegemony in the region.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LL23Dg01.html


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Actually what's on the Korean talk shows is re-unification would take a whole generation at the very least, probably longer and if theses a war that proceeded re-unification who knows how long or how much economic drain would be required. They did study the German re-unification to get an idea as to what to do and not do.

Most Koreans don't see that happening anytime soon. My wife thinks we'll be very old or dead gone before it happens.

A little real time update for you all: On the Korean news today they showed the North Korean news announcer, the women this time, warn South Korea, that they will burn them with sacred nuclear fire if they are attacked. My wife told her to shut up... she didn't listen...Laughing

 

 


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A CBC pundit (didn't catch the name) just said he doubts North Korea can deliver a nuclear payload.


Frmrsldr
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Should it happen, it would be very low level radiation or "dirty" bombs, most likely delivered by artillery.

I don't think it will happen. There is too great a risk of North as well as South Korean people becoming casualties that must be taken into consideration.

I think it's a case of brinksmanship and escalation.

The only trouble with this very dangerous bullying is that it runs the risk of dragging the nuclear powers - the U.S.A., China and possibly Russia into it.

Much as the system of alliances dragged the European empires and powerful countries (and eventually the U.S.A.) into WW1.Frown


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Deja Vu 1950 in 2010: Winds of War in Korea?  -  by JA Gutiarrez D

http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ainfos24680.html

"It seems, then, that some hawks in Washington also consider that it is now or never. Before the DPRK becomes a nuclear power, we must unleash a limited war, which could become total war. So the provocations and the closure of the road to dialogue.."

ROK President Lee Heats Up Cold War (and vid)

http://www.voltairenet.org/article167861.html

"There are three key facts that place the brinksmanship being played out on the Korean peninsula into perspective. With these acts providing the context, the recent behaviour of South Korea is revealed to be that of a local bully acting on behalf of a uch larger global one. Canadian journalist Stephen Gowans dissects the fast unravelling crisis between the 2 Koreas.."

South Korea Shot Over 3,600 Shells

http://www.opednews.com/articles/South-Korea-Shot-Over-3-60-by-Stanley-H...

"Hours before North Korea started its shelling, South Korean artillery units located in the West Sea Islands, just 7 miles from the North Korean coast, engaged in firing exercises for 4 hours - firing over 900 shells per hour into contested waters.."


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

Actually what's on the Korean talk shows is re-unification would take a whole generation at the very least, probably longer and if theses a war that proceeded re-unification who knows how long or how much economic drain would be required. They did study the German re-unification to get an idea as to what to do and not do.

Most Koreans don't see that happening anytime soon. My wife thinks we'll be very old or dead gone before it happens.

Funny my German ex-girlfriend said that her mother said almost the same thing in 1989. Indeed, Erich Hoeneker seemed to believe likewise, as did the CIA, who were completely taken by surprise.

Gut instinct is that the present South Korean escalation is designed precisely to prevent such an eventuality. Doubtless many in the state department are seriously worried about the tone of appeasement coming out of Beijing. and the prospect of the entire peninsula eventually becoming a proxy for China is something that the US surely wants to avoid.

There is absolutely no way that a unified Korea would eventually become anything less than a Chinese vassal (regardless of what it calls itself, or what "ideology" it professes to profess), and everyone knows it. That prospect is something that is surely causing anyone (both Korean and American) with a vested interest in US vassalage many sleepless nights.

Diplomatic overtones from China are a good measure of the increased confidence that China has in the ability of its economic power to win friends and influence people, regardless of putative "ideological" differences. A good dose of brinksmanship might just head of the disaster of reconcilliation.


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Cueball wrote:

A good dose of brinksmanship might just head of the disaster of reconcilliation.

Where the "brinksmanship" is coming from is North Korea caused by turmoil from a transition in leadership and a need for food and other staple imports from the U.S.A, the Western Hemisphere and Europe.

South Korea is also definitely rattling the saber, egged on by the U.S.A. The U.S.A. is hesitant over the prospect of a unified Korea that will be a rising economic power, likely to surpass Japan and be second only to China.

China for its part, is not egging on North Korea. China is doing very well economically. Chaos and conflict cause uncertainty in the financial market which in turn harms economies and makes foreign resource supplies insecure. China does not want chaos and conflict in the region. North Korea appears to be a difficult to control maverick.

Brinksmanship is a dangerous game that sometimes takes a life of its own when countries cross diplomatic lines where they can't back down and where their hands are forced to commit the act(s) because the countries dare not lose face.

This could happen with North and South Korea and China and the U.S.A. If the conflict in the region becomes serious enough, not only do we have the nuclear powers of China and the U.S.A. but Russia and who knows, India and Pakistan could be dragged in this time as well.


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