Mumbai; 80 dead, over 900 injured

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Mumbai; 80 dead, over 900 injured

Mumbai: In one of the most violent terror attacks on Indian soil, Mumbai came under an unprecedented night attack as terrorists used heavy machine guns, including AK-47s, and grenades to strike at the city's most high-profile targets -- the hyper-busy CST (formerly VT) rail terminus; the landmark Taj Hotel at the Gateway and the luxury Oberoi Trident at Nariman Point; the domestic airport at Santa Cruz; the Cama and GT hospitals near CST; the Metro Adlabs multiplex and Mazgaon Dockyard -- killing at least 80 and sending more than 900 to hospital, according to latest reports.

The attacks have taken a tragic toll on the city's top police brass: The high-profile chief of the anti-terror squad Hemant Karkare was killed; Mumbai's additional commissioner of police (east) Ashok Kamte was gunned down outside the Metro; and celebrated encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar was also killed.


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lagatta
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This is utterly horrific. Hope we can get some decent analytical news stories about it soon.


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It is likely the number of killed will climb well into the hundreds.

 

It is surprising that no knowledge of this event was known to security forces.

 


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Already being discussed here. (When this happens right in the middle of the violent Kashmir election, when the Indian government is arresting Kashmiris for advocating a boycott, and "separatists" are forbidden from running, it doesn't take a genius to make the link.)

 

 


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what is an encounter specialist?


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CTV is now reporting over 100 dead.


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What does it say about babble that so far there have been a grand total of 6 postings about this horrific terrorist attack in India - and 118 postings about whether or not Stalin was responsible for the Holodomor in Ukraine 70 years ago??


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I'm not sure what it says Stockholm but since the story is still unfolding and information relatively sparse, I'm not sure what I want to say about it yet.


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This is horrible. My thoughts are with the people of India - who are most likely in shock and horror right now.  Most reports claim that there are still hostages and the situation is yet to be resolves. The government believes the that the org responsible is most likely Pakistani. Interesting to consider Obama's pledge to invade Pakistan in the context of this huge and obviously well-funded and well-planned attack.


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I have friends who have family in India.  They are understandable upset and it brought back memories of the train attack couple of years ago that they experienced when visiting.

My thoughts, too are with the people there and those here who have family members and friends in India.


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6 Canadians are being held hostage, and 1 Indo Canadian young woman from Vancouver is dead. She apparently was one of the first shot, as she was the desk clerk at one of the hotels targetted.

New figures are as of this morning 101 dead 300 injured, and many hostages.

This is horrific for the families and friends affected. My thoughts are with them and the innocent people in India.

This is the result of false fostering "otherness",  and by the military imperialism of the USA and Britian, plus the savage exploitation of "others". And it is a huge wake up call for Canadians who are still being reluctant to bring our military home.

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I'm trying to see what these has to do with anyone "fostering otherness' or how US or British policies justify attacks on Indians. Last time I checked India was a pretty poor, exploited third world country that has suffered at least as much from colonialism as anyone else. As usual the vast majority of the victims are almost certain to be poor Indians and the main casualty will be the economy and stability of India.

Last week the Indian navy destroyed a pirate "mother ship' off Somalia. Maybe the pirates are behind this terrorist attack on India to get revenge against India for cutting into their profits. 


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The people being targetted stock, in case you missed it, were holders of British and US passports. And wealthy tourist hotels.

And no one said a word about justification.

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remind wrote:

This is the result of false fostering "otherness",  and by the military imperialism of the USA and Britian, plus the savage exploitation of "others". And it is a huge wake up call for Canadians who are still being reluctant to bring our military home.

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 So the gunmen bear no responsibility? People are hypothesizing that this could have more to do with the status of Kashmir vis a vis Pakistan.

 Could you also explain your comments in regards to this being the result of false fostering of "otherness"?

 It is true that some British and Americans were targetted, but the head of police, head of counterterrorism (or whatever it is called there) and another major Indian figure were killed deliberately, so obviously this was not just about the UK and American policy.

 


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While the killers may have tried to make a show of isolating some holders of British or American passports (which evokes Nazi storm troopers accosting anyone with a "J" in the ID papers and then killing them on the spot) - but I'll bet that as usual when all the dust (literally) settles - the vast, vast majority of the dead will be ordinary Indians who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.


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Wilf Day has posted a number of pieces related on the Kashmir heading, and I have no idea myself what the dynamics are, but noted: 

"Instead of fulfilling its international obligations initiated at the behest of the then Prime Minister of India Mr Nehru in 1948, and the assurances given to the people of Jammu & Kashmir, the Indian governments have used their brute force to suppress the voice of people.

The whole terrain of Kashmir has been turned into killing fields. Men, women and children have been killed with impunity. Arbitrary arrests, illegal detentions, custodial killings, arson, looting and extortions are rampant throughout the length and breadth of valley. We convey to the world in general and to the concerned quarters in particular that state terrorism of India is self speaking in Kashmir. The promise of your zero tolerance remains unfulfilled so far. "

As with other incidents in history of mass killings, it's probably useful to talk directly with people in Canada who have relatives there, phone the groups of peoples involved, there are Kashmiri Canadians who have been active, as well as Indian Canadians of diverse backgrounds.  Sometimes its far more important for activists to make the direct links with diverse groups in their own communities, than to try to figure things out on their own.    

Land, water, resources, as you all know are being grabbed now in a mad rush of private finance, particularly in countries which have signed on GATT /WTO provisions around financial services liberalization, or which are under pressure through IMF conditionalities to further liberalize any public controls they have on finance.   At the last G20 meeting, G20 countries engaged in some minor wrist-slapping of financiers, but there still has been no major overhaul of the international financial system, which is needed, or we're going to see increased war, killing fields, starvation, fossil fuel/ mineral/ water / energy exploitation etc. as growing numbers of people and the earth are squeezed.

There are sites where one can go for updates on trade and finance, and which companies are making inroads in which areas under which governments.  But if folks here Don't have direct relationships with the affected peoples in other countries, and try to surmise positions based on their own politics, then  Very Wrong Interpretations can result, and efforts become counterproductive.  I would suggest that if there aren't babblers who are themselves from this region, then babblers could spend their best hours talking to those who are.

 


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The government believes the that the org responsible is most likely Pakistani.

A bit oversimpified. The Indian view on such jihadi attacks is, usually with good reason, that they are the work of Lashkar-e-Taiba or its various offspring. Google that name, or go to the Wikipedia entry for it, and you will find it operates several militant training camps in Pakistan-administered Kashmir (or Azad Kashmir -- free Kashmir -- as it's called in Pakistan.) In late 2001 it shifted its headquarters to Muzaffarabad, capital of Azad Kashmir. It's basic motivation, as with all jihadist Pakistani groups, is to challenge India's claim to sovereignty over the Indian-occupied parts of Jammu and Kashmir, although it goes beyond that.

American news media love to say "Al-Qaeda-related." Lashkar-e-Taiba was founded in 1991, and was merely the latest interation of similar groups going back to the 1950s, one of which was Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan, one of the founding partners of Al-Qaeda. Anyone blaming Kashmir-related jihadism on Al-Qaeda has history upside down: Kashmir is the root cause of jihadism in South Asia. 

Statements issued yesterday spoke of vengeance for “stolen Muslim land” and referred to the long-running sore of Kashmir.

Stratfor has learned that discussions are already taking place among senior Congress officials in New Delhi to amass troops along the border in Kashmir, a situation reminiscent of the Indian response to the 2001 parliamentary bombing in Mumbai that led to a near-nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan.

 


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One of my colleagues here is originally from Mumbai. His parents held their wedding reception at one of the hotels that was bombed. Very, very tragic situation.


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That CBC news bit with Celine Galipeau was interesting. The "wealth creation" in India is somewhat impressive. And I noticed that running water and sewage still eludes millions. It's supposedly against the law, but the news broadcast showed one child defecating in the middle of the street. They need socialism not free markets in poverty.


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List of Indian Bloggers Live-Blogging the Mumbai Terror Attacks

 

Well heck if I know what to think beyond the fact that it's horrible.

 I've watched five different news reports and none is saying the exact same thing re the who and the why.  On Global they even reported that one of the perpetrators that was captured confessed to plans to attack the NY subway.

 I've read dozens of different theories and so called experts chiming in on the speculation.  Everything from Al-queda connections, no it's internal and no it's not it's all external, several different ones regarding Pakistan, ditto with Kashmir, ones that connect Kashmir with Pakistan, with the Taliban and one that talks about a CIA backed crime syndicate  and deal made with the Pakistani ISI based around some guy  named Ibrahim who leads the syndicate which the CIA does not want to see the light a of day , a double cross  with some deal that was made and that basically it's a gangland attack  to send a message to Washington, Britan and Israel and it's actions re Kashmir and the Israeli mafi that is supposed operating out of one of the house/hotels that was attacked. Saying it has nothing to do with the 'war on Terror' and the usual suspects.

 Frankly I don't think anyone knows what the heck it's all about and if there are those that do they aren't saying so. 

 The news keeps changing. This hotel has been retaken, oh okay no it hasn't there are still hostages, all is quiet, oh okay it's not quiet...and now apparently  or maybe a few hours ago, they're trying to shut down the messages coming from eyewitness on twitter, citing thing like that the people are giving away commando positions (though unintentionally) to the terrorists that are still active.  

 It sounds like a total mess.

 

 

 


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Whatever comes of this tragic outrage, my thoughts and prayers go out to all the innocent victims.


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 Unreal.... 

Nariman  House in Colaba is the Mumbai headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Chabad- Lubavitch movement of Hasidic Jews was one of the places taken over it's still not confirmed whether hostages were taken. 

 Currently it a I think 2 other places  are being raided by the Indian Army and friends I expect. There's apparently and media blackout or delay, but people are twittering and reporting as the helicopters are coming in and the commandos rappelling down....

 Link here... http://tweetgrid.com/grid?l=0&q1=%23mumbai 

 


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Stockholm wrote:
What does it say about babble that so far there have been a grand total of 6 postings about this horrific terrorist attack in India - and 118 postings about whether or not Stalin was responsible for the Holodomor in Ukraine 70 years ago??

That we don't like to rush our analysis of historical events?


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The Deccan Mujahedeen, which claimed the outrage in an e-mail press release, is certainly a new name probably chosen for this single act. But speculation is rife. A senior Indian naval officer has claimed that the attackers (who arrived in a ship, the M V Alpha) were linked to Somali pirates, implying that this was a revenge attack for the Indian Navy’s successful if bloody action against pirates in the Arabian Gulf that led to heavy casualties some weeks ago.

The Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, has insisted that the terrorists were based outside the country. The Indian media has echoed this line of argument with Pakistan (via the Lashkar-e-Taiba) and al-Qaeda listed as the usual suspects.

But this is a meditated edifice of official India’s political imagination. Its function is to deny that the terrorists could be a homegrown variety, a product of the radicalization of young Indian Muslims who have finally given up on the indigenous political system. To accept this view would imply that the country’s political physicians need to heal themselves.

Al Qaeda, as the CIA recently made clear, is a group on the decline. It has never come close to repeating anything vaguely resembling the hits of 9/11.

Its principal leader Osama bin Laden may well be dead (he certainly did not make his trademark video intervention in this year’s Presidential election in the United States) and his deputy has fallen back on threats and bravado.

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The recent attacks in India are morally repugnant, but the debate on how to curb terrorism needs to consider why people engage in such desperate acts in the first place. The perpetrators of yesterday's violence targeted two of Mumbai's most luxurious hotels: Taj Mahal and the Oberioi Trident. One night at either of these hotels costs, on average, Rupees 17,500 (US $ 355) in a country where the annual salary is Rupees 29,069 (US $590). The death of over a hundred people on Wednesday should deeply upset the world, but it should also lead us to question the death of the 18 million people who die annually from the systemic violence of endemic poverty. As Yale professor Thomas Pogge notes, the affects of poverty are felt exponentially more in certain parts of our "unflat" world: "If the developed Western countries had their proportional shares of [gratuitous] deaths, severe poverty would kill some 3,500 Britons and 16,500 Americans per week."

Mahan Abedin, an insurgency analyst, told Al Jazeera after Wednesday nights attacks: "We have seen an increase in recent years in indigenous Indian Muslim organizations beginning to take a violent stance towards the Indian state and sections of the Indian society, particularly the commercial elite of places like Mumbai, in order to highlight, they would say, the sheer inequality of life in India." Abedin continued, "there is a middle class of around 100 million who live very well but 800 million-plus people live in miserable conditions." Even people who commit heinous acts of violence occasionally make a valid point.

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M. Spector wrote:

Tariq Ali wrote:
Counterpunch

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Its hardly a secret that there has been much anger within the poorest sections of the Muslim community against the systematic discrimination and acts of violence carried out against them of which the 2002 anti-Muslim pogrom in shining Gujarat was only the most blatant and the most investigated episode, supported by the Chief Minister of the State and the local state apparatuses.

Add to this the continuing sore of Kashmir which has for decades been treated as a colony by Indian troops with random arrests, torture and rape of Kashmiris an everyday occurrence. Conditions have been much worse than in Tibet, but have aroused little sympathy in the West where the defense of human rights is heavily instrumentalised.

 


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ElizaQ wrote:

Nariman  House in Colaba is the Mumbai headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Chabad- Lubavitch movement of Hasidic Jews was one of the places taken over it's still not confirmed whether hostages were taken. 

I just saw on CNN that the rabbi, his wife and three others in the house are confirmed dead.

Baruch dayan emes. Hashem yinkom dama.


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Fidel wrote:

That CBC news bit with Celine Galipeau was interesting. The "wealth creation" in India is somewhat impressive. And I noticed that running water and sewage still eludes millions. It's supposedly against the law, but the news broadcast showed one child defecating in the middle of the street. They need socialism not free markets in poverty.

 

Fidel - can you stick to the topic of this thread? Your off-topic comments are a little insensitive given the gravity of what the people of Mumbai are going through today.


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M. Spector wrote:

Deena Guzder wrote:
The recent attacks in India are morally repugnant, but the debate on how to curb terrorism needs to consider why people engage in such desperate acts in the first place. The perpetrators of yesterday's violence targeted two of Mumbai's most luxurious hotels: Taj Mahal and the Oberioi Trident. One night at either of these hotels costs, on average, Rupees 17,500 (US $ 355) in a country where the annual salary is Rupees 29,069 (US $590). The death of over a hundred people on Wednesday should deeply upset the world, but it should also lead us to question the death of the 18 million people who die annually from the systemic violence of endemic poverty. As Yale professor Thomas Pogge notes, the affects of poverty are felt exponentially more in certain parts of our "unflat" world: "If the developed Western countries had their proportional shares of [gratuitous] deaths, severe poverty would kill some 3,500 Britons and 16,500 Americans per week."

Mahan Abedin, an insurgency analyst, told Al Jazeera after Wednesday nights attacks: "We have seen an increase in recent years in indigenous Indian Muslim organizations beginning to take a violent stance towards the Indian state and sections of the Indian society, particularly the commercial elite of places like Mumbai, in order to highlight, they would say, the sheer inequality of life in India." Abedin continued, "there is a middle class of around 100 million who live very well but 800 million-plus people live in miserable conditions." Even people who commit heinous acts of violence occasionally make a valid point.

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One point missing from this analysis is the expense to carry out such an attack. Boats, weapons, ammunition, planning, booking rooms at the hotels... obviously those who carried out these attacks are not poor or have quite wealthy financiers.

I also find it offensive to those in poverty who would never dream of murdering innocent civilians.


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I also find it offensive to those in poverty who would never dream of murdering innocent civilians.

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 Terrorists who attacked Mumbai linked to al-Qaeda - source

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MOSCOW, November 27 (RIA Novosti) - The terrorist groups who attacked the Indian city of Mumbai are closely linked to al-Qaeda, a high-ranking Russian secret service source said Thursday.

"Russian secret services have information suggesting that the groups that attacked Mumbai had had contact with al-Qaeda," the source said. "In particular, the terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba. This group's militants undergo special training in al-Qaeda camps on the border between Pakistan and India."

The source also said that the Indian authorities had earlier considered the group an ordinary "criminal" gang.

 


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Bombay terrorist attacks: mystery of the missing British and US casualties

 

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As Indian commandos began counting and removing corpses at the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels in Bombay this afternoon, one question loomed ominously in the background: where are the British, American and Israeli casualties?

 

 


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Hashem yinkom dama.

How very civilized. Frown

But if you insist, at least get the grammar right - it's "damam" in this case...


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I suppose we will never learn what happened in there.


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Mohsin Hamid, author of The Reluctant Fundamentalist (2007) -- Bound by Sorrows

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In the rush to blame Pakistan for the terrorist atrocity in Mumbai, a dangerous mistake is being made. The impulse to implicate Pakistan is of course understandable: the past is replete with examples of Pakistani and Indian intelligence agencies working to destabilise the historical enemy across the border.

But it is too soon to know who is behind the current attacks. Some or all of the attackers may indeed come from or have supporters in Pakistan. Equally, some or all may be Indian. The desire of some in India to ascribe guilt to Pakistan before the evidence is in is, therefore, an attempt to avoid introspection.

India and Pakistan are more alike than politicians of either country tend to acknowledge. The triumphal narrative of India as an incredible success, and the defeatist narrative of Pakistan as an impending disaster are both only half true. For much of this young century, Pakistan has enjoyed economic growth rates not far behind those of India, and this year Pakistan has emulated its neighbour by returning to democracy.

India, meanwhile, is, like Pakistan, home to many simmering insurgencies. Had recent protests in Indian Kashmir occurred in a former Soviet Republic, they would have been hailed by the world as a new Orange Revolution (and had they occurred in Tibet, they would have resulted in calls for international pressure on Beijing). Similarly, the tensions in India's northeast, the armed Naxalite movement, and the slaughter of Muslims in Gujarat all run counter to the half-truth of "India shining".

Both Pakistan and India are plagued by extremist violence. Both have in their six decades of independence dramatically failed their poor. Earlier this year, the World Bank reported that half of Indian children are so malnourished their bodies fail to achieve normal size. That is twice the rate of child malnourishment found in sub-Saharan Africa.


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Both Pakistan and India are plagued by extremist violence. Both have in their six decades of independence dramatically failed their poor. Earlier this year, the World Bank reported that half of Indian children are so malnourished their bodies fail to achieve normal size. That is twice the rate of child malnourishment found in sub-Saharan Africa.

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I hope that our already battered sensibilities are not about to be further scandalized by  offensive thoughts about population control for the committed "believers" of either religious community?Surprised


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Forget Islamic jihadists - was this a right-wing attack?

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So it's tempting to describe this week's outrages as "the Sept. 11 of India." The narrative is hard to resist: A surprisingly well-organized group of mysterious Islamic terrorists launches a fiery attack on symbolically important buildings at the city's southern tip - an attack apparently aimed at foreigners, Jewish people and the business elite, in the full view of the media. A city's innocence is traduced. There's a collective struggle to restore normality and repel the invaders. It's portrayed as a clash of civilizations.

Let me suggest that you ignore this narrative. To follow this storyline, to see these events as civilizational warfare, is to misconstrue the nature of India and, importantly, the nature of the whole world to a dangerous degree.

India does have a problem with terrorism and extremism, one that threatens to destabilize the amazing humanitarian and economic progress it has made in recent years. But it isn't one of Islamic extremists trying to take over the state. Quite the contrary.

The most prominent Indian killed in the terrorist attacks on Wednesday was Harmant Karkare, the head of Mumbai's anti-terrorism squad, who was assassinated in the city's central train station along with several of his deputies.

The day before, he had received a death threat. That didn't surprise him, he told reporters, as it came just days after he had filed charges against 10 men in India's recent major terrorist attack, the Sept. 29 bombings in the city of Malegaon that killed nine and injured 80.

The accused are Hindu nationalist activists, young women and men associated with the Bharatiya Janata Party. Mr. Karkare also linked BJP-tied Hindus with the much deadlier bomb attacks in Malegaon two years ago, which killed 37 and injured 125 and had been blamed by local police on Muslim groups - an odd accusation, since the targets in both attacks were mosques.

EPIDEMIC OF TERRORISM

These were not lone attacks. In the past decade, India has seen an epidemic of Hindu terrorism that reached its nadir - I hope - in 2002, when almost 2,000 Muslims were slaughtered in the state of Gujarat. That massacre, like so many others, had been whipped up by Hindu-nationalist parties, in response to an earlier, smaller instance of Muslim violence.

There are certainly extremists from both religions. But there's a difference: One side has formed a government and is trying to do so again. It already controls Mumbai and is close to gaining power in much of the rest of the country.

The BJP ruled India from 1998 to 2004, and its politics are those of racial nationalism - it was born of Hindutva movements that get their ideas directly from German national socialism.

That's right: The movement that has overtaken and politicized sections of this traditionally peaceful religion believes India should be an "Aryan" nation, and, in the same confusion of linguistic and racial identities that made Adolf Hitler's movement possible, it believes that only Hindus (and sometimes only Hindus from the central state of Maharashtra) are legitimate citizens….

From this, you may believe that India has been overtaken by sectarian divisions and religious polarization. That also would be wrong.

This is, after all, a country whose people, 80 per cent of whom are Hindu, have overwhelmingly elected a government with a Prime Minister who is Sikh, a President who is Muslim and a governing party led by a Roman Catholic woman.

Most Hindus have no interest in the politics of religious nationalism. And most of India's 150 million Muslims have nothing to do with Islamic politics - they're the Muslims who rejected Pakistan, an Islamic state, during the Partition of 1947.


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India does have a problem with terrorism and extremism, one that threatens to destabilize the amazing humanitarian and economic progress it has made in recent years. But it isn't one of Islamic extremists trying to take over the state. Quite the contrary.

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 Hindu fanatic or Muslim fanatic, the fantastic claim of  "amazing humanitarian and economic progress" by India in recent years sounds like something from a chamber of commerce fanatic.  And of course it is the ongoing impoverishment of tens of millions more each year  that encourages all types of fanaticism.

And it is exactly that "Logo" attachment to our own IT world that has been (and even in reportage on the Mumbai massacre continues to be) suppressed.

At least, once upon a time, before the modern age of communications, as children were instructed to "clean up your plate. Remember the starving children of China",  the misery of the starving masses  was understood as a political motivator, a cause of  the "unrest" happening "over there."

Now, religious fanaticism with political objectives appears like Topsy and seems to require no explanation from social events. Not for neo-cons or gushing chamber of commerce propagandists alike.

"Amazing humanitarian and economic progress" my ass.


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A second Israeli-led group, according to an indictment filed in March 1988 with the US district Court In Newark, New Jersey, reportedly laundered large amounts of cash from "at least as early as September 1986." Officials estimated that the ring had laundered more than 25 million. Its activities were connected to the Colombian drug smuggling by the presence among those indicted of Colombians and the positive reaction of drug-sniffing dogs to some of the packets of money recovered by authorities.

Among the defendants was Rabbi Sholom Ber Levitin, director of Chabad House in Seattle and, for the past 16 years, leader of the local Hasidic community. Levitin and two other defendants arrested in Seattle recieved cash from the group's New Jersey-based leader, Adi Tal, according to court documents, and converted to cashier's checks at local banks, packed up the checks and shipped them off for deposit in Panama.

RABBI POSTS BAIL IN MONEY-LAUNDERING CASE

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Prosecutors alleged in the indictments that millions of dollars were converted from cash to cashier's checks and money orders then sent illegally to Panama, Colombia, West Germany and Israel.

One package seized contained $450,000, according to an affidavit filed with the indictments.

RABBI IS LINKED TO DRUGS LAUNDERED MONEY CAME FROM COCAINE TRAFFIC, AGENT SAYS

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Levitin and Zeltzer are the only two suspects believed to be members of the ultra-conservative Hasidim Jewish sect, Prosecutor Rabner said.

Special Agent Mercier said all the defendants were apparently motivated by "personal gain . . . We have no information to believe there is any type of ideological interest involved."

The evidence centers on intercepted packages and hundreds of wiretapped telephone conversations. Several sites were searched Friday, including Zeltzer's room at the Chabad House.

Levitin allegedly got involved during the latter part of the enterprise, months after U.S. authorities began monitoring it, according to court documents. Levitin is mentioned in phone calls between Jan. 26 and March 11.

In May 1986, Rabner said, the alleged leader of the operation in the U.S., Adi Tal of Edison, N.J., was arrested briefly in Israel with $481,000 in cash but released because he had not violated any Israeli law.

 

Chabad-Lubavitch related controversies

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In 1989, Rabbi Sholom Ber Levitin was convicted of being part of an international money laundering ring that headed by Israeli Adi Tal. Levitin defended his actions, saying that the proceeds were going to Israel: "I was motivated by my desire to help my brethren in need, with funds being transferred to Israel" Levitin, one of 11 charged, was sentenced to a $10,000 fine and a 30-day imprisonment

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GUILTY RABBI MEANT WELL, HIS LAWYER SAYS

A lawyer for a Seattle rabbi who pleaded guilty to federal money- laundering charges in Newark, N.J., says his client mistakenly thought he was helping Jews who were trying to emigrate to Israel.

Rabbi Sholom Levitin, a leader of the Lubavitch Hasidic community in Seattle, last week admitted conspiring to arrange currency transactions to evade reporting requirements.

He faces up to five years in prison at sentencing March 1.

Prosecutors linked Levitin to a ring they say concealed at least $25 million worldwide over 18 months. Levitin, a 41-year-old father of nine, founded Chabad House, a Seattle community center that gives Hasidic Jews emergency housing, food and money.

In answer to questions by Assistant U.S. Attorney Stuart J. Rabner, Levitin admitted taking chunks of cash larger than $10,000 - the amount that requires a banking report to the federal government - and depositing the money in smaller amounts in banks before sending it to Israel.

Seattle rabbi knew Mumbai attack victims

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SEATTLE – The personal horror of the terror attacks in Mumbai, India reaches the Puget Sound. A Seattle rabbi knows the family of the rabbi killed by gunmen.

 


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Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

Hashem yinkom dama.

How very civilized. Frown

But if you insist, at least get the grammar right - it's "damam" in this case...

My Hebrew sucks. Does the M at the end make it plural?


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Mumbai attacks part of ‘blowback’ for CIA double-cross

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The violence that is sweeping Mumbai’s tourist and business areas is the work of rival Hindu nationalist terrorists and Muslim gangs, according to WMR’s Asian intelligence sources.

 

Scores have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence that swept India’s financial capital. Although the “Indian Mujahedin” and “Al Qaeda in India” are the corporate media’s suspects in the violence, the attacks have more to do with score settling and a warning by a CIA asset and Muslim-Hindu gang violence.

The violence began with some crude “dud” bombs being planted around the city. However, these are seen as “false flag” attacks carried out by HIndu nationalist terrorists who support the Hindu Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which hopes to beat the ruling Congress Party in forthcoming elections. The Hindu nationalists often wave the “Muslim terrorist” shirt to win popular support.

In the past, Mumbai’s exiled Muslim “Mafia” boss, on-and-off again CIA asset Dawood Ibrahim, a veteran of the CIA’s mujahedin war in Afghanistan and who is now living in exile in Karachi, Pakistan, and is wanted by Indian authorities, has the street muscle in Mumbai to stop further violence. Ibrahim owns a construction company in Karachi, has financial interests in Dubai, and is, according to our intelligence sources, involved with the CIA in Kathmandu casinos and the drug trade in Nepal. The CIA has shown no inclination to apprehend Ibrahim and with the Hindu nationalists making a power play in Mumbai with attempted “false flag” attacks, Ibrahim has shown no desire to stop the violence.

See also ‘Al-Qaeda is a U.S.-sponsored Intelligence Asset used to Justify War in the Middle East: Interview with Michel Chossudovsky

 

 


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Meanwhile in other news Pakistan is not turning over the Mumbai attack suspects to India so we expect to see an escalation of violence between these two countries. And on and on it goes.


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7812890.stm





Singh accuses Pakistan on Mumbai







November's attack on Mumbai must have had support from some official agencies in Pakistan, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said.




I suppose Israel's invasion of the West Bank is not enogh, so India and Palistan will soon go at itagain. We just gotta have our violent military fix it seems.

 

 


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 It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

The response was brutally simple: "Kill them." Gunshots then rang out inside the Mumbai hotel, followed by cheering that could be heard over the phone.

The exchange comes from a transcript of phone calls Indian authorities say they intercepted during the Mumbai attacks in November. They were part of a dossier of evidence New Delhi handed Pakistan this week that it says definitively proves that the siege was launched from across the border....[best quote from a public official in a long time!]"We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," Pakistan's intelligence chief, Lt.-Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha, told German news magazine Der Spiegel. "We know full well that terror is our enemy, not India."

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/562984

The punishment for aiding terrorists in India apparently includes having to wear a dorky pillowcase on your head.


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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afzo87gFFqYQ&refer=home

Pakistan Fires National Security Adviser as India Tensions Rise 
 

 

 

 

 


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No Way, No How, Not Here

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/opinion/18friedman.html?_r=1

 

“People who committed this heinous crime cannot be called Muslim,” Hanif Nalkhande, a spokesman for the trust, told The Times of London. Eventually, one assumes, they will have to be buried, but the Mumbai Muslims remain defiant.


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