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NATO Nazis

Czech Troops in Nazi Symbols Row

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8351996.stm

"Three Czech soldiers who served as part of the NATO force in Afghanistan have been suspended for wearing Nazi symbols, Czech defence officials say. Two are said to have adorned their helmets with symbols of SS divisions while serving in eastern Afghanistan.."

Weren't the nato insignia nazi enough for them..?

ps remember the Airborne?

al-Qa'bong

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Weren't the nato insignia nazi enough for them..?

 

Thoughtless comments such as this severely diminish the meaning of the word "Nazi." Try to criticise that which you oppose without reducing your argument to absurdity before you even start.

Fidel

There are no such people as Nazis ANYMORE! It's taboo to conjure up ghosts of the past, even when people today are carrying rifles and wearing the dreaded schutzstaffel symbol on army helmets are parading around sovereign countries where they weren't invited. NATO is a benevolent force for world peace. And any contradiction between North Atlantic treaty org's geographical acronym and where they happen to be in Central Asia today is mere wild coincidence. And herr Bushlers I&II were not Nazis, so stop saying that they were.

a lonely worker

al-Qa'bong wrote:

 

Thoughtless comments such as this severely diminish the meaning of the word "Nazi." Try to criticise that which you oppose without reducing your argument to absurdity before you even start.

 

Actually NATO's links with the ex-Nazi's is very well known in Europe. There was a huge scandal about it when it came out over there and many people were killed in the name of "freedom". Of course our media never covered any of it.

They became the backbone of a NATO outfit called Operation Gladio:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

 

The BBC had a great documentary on it:

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3409375633223151728#

 

Fidel

Good one, Lonely Worker. Watch as Colby and Ledeen lie to the world.

NDPP

Al Q: So call them whatever you like. For  me ' nazis' will do fine with no intended slight to the real thing intended.

al-Qa'bong
Fidel

Oh that's offensive!

So were you with Brzezinksi, Carter, and Reagan in supporting the Mujahideen "freedom fighters" in the 1980's?

And if so, do you still support them now that some of them are empowered by the very pro-Mujahideen Hamid Karzai and his municipal government of warlords in Kabul?  Did you support the CIA's funding of hundreds of madrassas and training of Islamic gladios in 1980's and 90's Central Asia - and according to whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, is an ongoing foreign policy project? 

Did you cheer on Brzezinski when he referred to them as insanely with his own racist phraseology, "a few stirred up Muslims"? 

Or do you tend to favour Uncle Sam's former proxies in Kabul from 1996 to 2001, the Taliban?

Well?

[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7746]Michel Chossudovsky wrote:[/url]

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 The assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto must be understood in a historical context.  Since the late 1970s, successive US administrations have contributed to repealing the Rule of Law, destroying Pakistani institutions of civilian and secular government and instating military rule. 

During the Cold War and its aftermath, the repeal of democracy and the militarization of the Pakistani State have  served US foreign policy objectives. Pakistan is a geopolitical hub from which US sponsored military and covert intelligence operations have been launched. 

Pakistan is part of South Asia, at a strategic crossroads, bordering onto the Middle East, Central Asia and the former Soviet republics and within proximity of China's Western frontier.  

Benazir's father, Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, leader of the Pakistan's People's Party (PPP) was deposed in a military coup d'Etat on July 5, 1977, which spearheaded Pakistan into a process of virtually uninterrupted military rule. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was subsequently executed, in a judicial assassination, on the orders of the US sponsored military junta. 

SparkyOne

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

 

ps remember the Airborne?

 

They were Nazi's?

 

 

al-Qa'bong

They were paratroopers, a distinct group which, regardless of nationality, are generally regarded as violent crazies. 

 

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So were you with Brzezinksi, Carter, and Reagan in supporting the Mujahideen "freedom fighters" in the 1980's?

 

OK, so what started as absurd is now fully loony. Way to go Fidel. Are you still cheering for the Montréal Bleu Blanc Blackshirts?

al-Qa'bong

That is hard to believe. The Eighth Army didn't let any Germans past El Alamein.

 

Sounds like a Zionist lie to me.

 

 

Webgear

 

It may be hard to believe, there was a Muslim SS/Army units fighting for the Germans in World War Two.

They fought in the Mideast around Palestine.

 

 

SparkyOne

al-Qa'bong wrote:

They were paratroopers, a distinct group which, regardless of nationality, are generally regarded as violent crazies. 

 

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So were you with Brzezinksi, Carter, and Reagan in supporting the Mujahideen "freedom fighters" in the 1980's?

 

OK, so what started as absurd is now fully loony. Way to go Fidel. Are you still cheering for the Montréal Bleu Blanc Blackshirts?

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Oh. I just didn't know the connection.

 

I wonder how many times  day Nazi's get refered to on internet message forums.

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:
OK, so what started as absurd is now fully loony. Way to go Fidel. Are you still cheering for the Montréal Bleu Blanc Blackshirts?

But I thought it was you who said that we are siding with those who support the view that Muslims are modern day Nazis? When in actualityness..ness, I am pointing out the actual US-British-Pakistani and Saudi covert policies over the years for deliberate destabilization of Central Asia with funding, aiding and abetting militant Islam. You know, those opportunistic people who the CIA said were with them in the 1980's proxy war but suddenly and out of the blue decided to go against the CIA and America? In fact, there is no proof that the CIA ever cut ties with their Islamic gladios at any time after 1992. And, in additional fact, the evidence indicates that they've been collaborating with and funding the proliferation of militant Islam in Central Asia and beyond ever since.

And that's bleu, blanc et rouge sweaters and even chandails. Try to think like a Canadian eh?

Tommy_Paine

Meanwhile, Sergeant Hynek Matonoha drew the letter "H" crossed by a sword - signifying the SS Hohenstaufen panzer division

 

Im just wondering what the significance of that emblem is to Czechs.  Was this division in Chzechoslovakia in WWII (question mark)*

Anyway, I have to wonder why soldiers would want to take on the emblems of a losing division, of a country whose military had two cracks at winning a war and failed misserably both times.   

Theyd be better off inscribing the insignia of the RCR, or PPCLI.

*-- first day with a new keyboard.  Itès driving me absolutely fricken nuts.

Tommy_Paine

 

A ha.

I have both my question mark, and apostrophe, now.

phew.

Fidel

Tommy_Paine wrote:

Meanwhile, Sergeant Hynek Matonoha drew the letter "H" crossed by a sword - signifying the SS Hohenstaufen panzer division  

Im just wondering what the significance of that emblem is to Czechs.  Was this division in Chzechoslovakia in WWII (question mark)

I had to look it up, but it appears that this tank division didn't roll onto the battle fields of Europe until 1944. And it appears that Hitler's Panzer divisions on the western front were suffering from the same logistic mistakes made from the outset. They ran out of gas. I find most of the rightwing versions of blame game for what went wrong for the Nazis tends to be shifted onto the shoulders of those who did the fighting on the ground. Rarely are der fuhrer's megalomaniacal indecisions and costly tactical mistakes pointed to as the root cause of the screwups. Hitler himself blamed the German people for losing his precious war. In the end he was running the show and ignoring the advice of experienced German field commanders, and who the Nazi high command made it policy they should be rewarded with rank advancement and assigned desk jobs for more pay than to stay on the front lines where experience was desperately needed before the end became imminent. And in the end, Hitler was there moving imaginary military pieces around a strategic table map of Europe and Eastern front and refusing to believe field reports of their losses. Had Hitler, like Stalin eventually had to because of his own costly strategic errors, allowed his own field Generals to plan strategy, military historians say the result might have been different.

 

al-Qa'bong

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But I thought it was you who said that we are siding with those who support the view that Muslims are modern day Nazis?

 

No, my point is that any dolt can throw around the term "Nazi" without its use having to be accurate.

 

By the way, how is that 70s cheer, "Ooh, ahh, Habs on the warpath" any different from the sentiments expressed in Die Fahne Hoch?

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:

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But I thought it was you who said that we are siding with those who support the view that Muslims are modern day Nazis?

No, my point is that any dolt can throw around the term "Nazi" without its use having to be accurate.

I think no two snowflakes are exactly alike either. I think lonely worker made a fine point about NATO forces employing Nazi-like false flag terror in cold war Europe. And there were actual former Nazis running the spy ops out of West Germany during the cold war

And NATO countries welcomed actual Nazi war criminals by the thousands into our countries, gave them good jobs and provided them sanctuary from Israeli and Soviet justice. Many of them lived out the rest of their lives in peace here in the west, and collected US and Canadian pensions, and never saw the inside of a court room much less prison cells. And then there was controvesy over which country's Wall Street bankers and industrialists aided and abetted Hitler's re-arming for war for ten years leading up to and even during WW II. I'm at a loss to know how much more of a bloody trail leading to Nazi war criminals someone might require before realizing who and what political stripe their black NATO hearts owed allegiance to. 

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By the way, how is that 70s cheer, "Ooh, ahh, Habs on the warpath" any different from the sentiments expressed in Die Fahne Hoch?

You're joking, right? Just about every team and their fan blogs use 'on the warpath' as a general theme for support. They're not playing hockey anymore at this level. NHL hockey is war bordering on terrorism. Look at the head shots controversy today. I look at these players today more as entertainers and even gladiators than pure hockey players. If you want to see real hockey, buy tickets to see an OHL or QMJHL game.  

Webgear

 Fidel, do not forget the Soviets also used German SS/Army types after the war as part of their intelligence/security groups.

Fidel

Webgear wrote:

 Fidel, do not forget the Soviets also used German SS/Army types after the war as part of their intelligence/security groups.

Sure they did!! Some of the SS were disoriented and fled the Russian front eastward and were proud to brandish their SS tattoos and Nazi party cards to the Sovs as proof of their pro-Soviet allegiances. And the mostly religious Sovs were quick to forgive and forget, turn the other cheek and all that.  [/bs]

And in reality when the Soviets found out that the NATO gang had hired Himmler's SS to spy on them, the Soviets blackmailed them into passing bad information to the west. They were compromised early on, and the west never really did penetrate the iron curtain. Much of what we were told about the FSU during the cold war was based on lies and half-truths.

Webgear

Fidel

Heinz Felfe, SS officer and KGB Spy

http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/goda.pdf

Fidel

Webgear wrote:
Fidel Heinz Felfe, SS officer and KGB Spy http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/goda.pdf

Hmm, never heard of him before. West German BND are the sucessors to the SS.  Of course, the SS wing of the OSS/CIA naturally assumed Felfe would be faithful to the anticommunist west. Felfe definitely possessed cred as a legit anti-Soviet anti-communist. The Sovs were likely blackmailing him as they did other SS moles working for the west.

[url=http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/gladio.html]The Stay Behind Nexus[/url]

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April 1968: Resigns from the BND after sting operation uncovers that a top BND official, Heinz Felfe, is a KGB double-agent.

Despite the Felfe scandal, Gehlen remains a legend in the intelligence community until his death in 1979. - source

was Gehlen responsible for this: cryptome:Field Manual FM 30-31B - KGB disinfos???

There was much treachery during the cold war. One cold war story teller had KGB heads meeting with MI5 chiefs to discuss which of their spies they would betray in order to gain notoriety and climbing the ladder of success in their own countries.

Stewart Menzies recounted to his son how MI6 had uncovered a suspected double agent in England. Menzies and henchmen tortured their captor and threatened to throw him out of a small plane over the Channel. His son said he had nightmares about the terrible things he'd done as an aspiring secret intel agent for the cold warriors. Oftentimes the suspects refused to talk, said Menzies. And they never knew for sure whether they'd murdered an innocent person or not.

Fidel

Webgear wrote:

How many spies do you know?

None, But there was a fairly serious cold warrior in the family tree. Think blackbird pie and even bloody Sunday.  He's long dead now. I'll never tell.

Webgear

How about Willi Lehmann he was part of the Gestapo and he worked for the NKVD.

Lt-Col Friedrich von Schol passed information on NKVD while in Tokyo.

al-Qa'bong

Fidel wrote:

 

 

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By the way, how is that 70s cheer, "Ooh, ahh, Habs on the warpath" any different from the sentiments expressed in Die Fahne Hoch?

 

You're joking, right?  

 

 

Hardly.  Think about it.  The NHL player base was diluted during WWII as players signed up to join the Canadian Forces, leaving the anti-conscription Quebeckers and their Nazi Fifth Column, the Habs, with an advantage, as the teams populated by anglos were stripped of talent.  Rocket Richard, the Vergeltungswaffe of hockey, was thus able to score 50 goals in 50 games.

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:
Hardly.  Think about it.  The NHL player base was diluted during WWII as players signed up to join the Canadian Forces, leaving the anti-conscription Quebeckers and their Nazi Fifth Column, the Habs, with an advantage, as the teams populated by anglos were stripped of talent.  Rocket Richard, the Vergeltungswaffe of hockey, was thus able to score 50 goals in 50 games.

Oh come on! What was the ratio of Anglos to Francophones in North America even then? Gordie was a good player. He couldn't score in clutch moments though.

My dad was Francophone in a Quebec tank regiment attached to Monty's 8th army in North Africa, Italy, Holland etc. And his brother was a volunteer for US first special forces in the Pacific during WW II and what could have been the best time in their lives to play hockey. No time for hockey though with growing up in depression era, and then they spent all their time trying to stay working after the war. A lot of mills in Northern O didn't like hiring Francophones then. Some Francophones and other ethnics Anglicized their family names in order to avoid discriminatory hiring practices.

The Nazis, in fact, made it a policy of segregating black and white POW's if they were American. The Nazis and their Anglo-American pals had more in common that they knew.

al-Qa'bong

This doesn't prove anything.  Not all Germans were Nazis either.

It's a little-known fact that, as the Germans tried to get Mexico to side with them in the 14-18 War (revealed by the Zimmerman Telegram), they thought their undergound athletic clubs in North America would help cause public opinion to shift to Germany in the event of another war - hence the Montréal "Canadiens" (Nazis were big on promoting false nationalism among their foreign minions; take Romania's "Iron Guard" for example).

While they wouldn't be so obtuse as to replicate Nazi regalia here, the Habs' presence in the fascistically-named "Forum" was no accident, nor was the innocuous "Cercle Hitlerien" symbol placed in the face-off circle in the middle of the ice a coincidence.

NDPP

Colombia Will Join NATO

https://t.co/m7YurpsFCt

"For the first time in history, a Latin American country will be part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization..."

NDPP

US, NATO Militarizing Scandinavia as Anti-Russia Hysteria Grows

https://therealnews.com/stories/us-nato-militarizing-scandinavia-as-anti...

"Journalist Eirik Vold says the US and NATO are further militarizing Scandinavian nations, while claiming Russia poses a threat of war. US military presence is growing in NATO members..."

NDPP

After Trump's 'Clash in Quebec' Next Its the 'Nailing of NATO'

http://truepublica.org.uk/global/after-trumps-clash-in-quebec-next-its-t...

"Next month, the 24-hour political huddle of NATO takes place in Brussels on July 11-12th. Transatlantic unity demonstrated here could see the 'Clash of Quebec' turn into round two - the 'Nailing of NATO.'

The trade war being commenced by America is already well underway but just wait when Trump gets his teeth into one of his pet hates - military contributions to NATO by the Europeans.

The head of NATO has warned that the deep divisions between the US under Trump and its European allies are not going away and there is no certainty that the transatlantic relationship and its military alliance will survive..."

NDPP

Trump Warns Trudeau on Lack of Defence Spending Ahead of NATO Summit

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/06/22/trump-warns-trudeau-on-lack-of-defence-s...

"...There is growing frustration in the United States that key Allies like Canada have not stepped up defence spending as promised...The United States is increasingly unwilling to ignore this Alliance's failure to meet shared security challenges..."

Shaking down the Canadian vassal. How does it feel to be an American NATO colony Canada?

Paladin1

Canada promised to spend 2%.  Why should be expect not to be held to our promises?

 

You DO understand what NATO is right? Same reason why Austrailia isn't a part of NATO?

NDPP

I understand very well. Fuck NATO.

Paladin1

Why fuck NATO?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Paladin1 wrote:

Why fuck NATO?

Because they are a vicious imperial system with no morals or regard for international law.

NDPP

Truth About $21 Trillion Missing at the Pentagon (and vid)

https://youtu.be/0KfJO8Irjyo

Twenty-one. Trillion. Dollars. Missing.

And Canada should give more money to this dangerous US imperialist monster NATO? 

Paladin1

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

Why fuck NATO?

Because they are a vicious imperial system with no morals or regard for international law.

 

Honest question, do we just follow and support "international law" when it's convienient?  No one here approved of or supported the invasion of Afghanistan but it was approved through the UN.

 

I do think NATO routinely goes outside of the spirit why it was formed. It's less about protecting the atlantic and more (all?) about American interests abroad.  I still remember the point you made about how many bases americans had vs how many the russians had abroad. That blew my mind.

Rev Pesky

Paladin 1 wrote:

Honest question, do we just follow and support "international law" when it's convienient?  No one here approved of or supported the invasion of Afghanistan but it was approved through the UN.

There was nothing in the UN's approval of the invasion of Afghanistan that required anyone to join it. International law was not broken by not joining the invasion.

So far as I know, no left group anywhere has ever backed an action that would break international law.

NDPP

More NATO Crimes: The Dismemberment of Yugoslavia - An excellent narrative from a French General intimately involved 

https://youtu.be/GzMKgeESSu4

https://youtu.be/S2xNHknsQPI

General Lewis Mackenzie

https://youtu.be/iy1JzwpJ9ec

"We bombed the wrong side."

Anyway, right or wrong it's all moot because Canadians have little interest or awareness in foreign affairs and rarely depart from msm propaganda sources and groupthink no matter how often they are subsequently proven false.

NDPP

All Disquiet on the Western Front

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49701.htm

"The US-led NATO military alliance earlier this month committed to a major escalation in force buildup on Russia's Western flank. The development underscores Russia's long-held concern that the 29-member alliance is inevitably moving dangerously on a war footing..."

WWWTT

Webgear wrote:

 

It may be hard to believe, there was a Muslim SS/Army units fighting for the Germans in World War Two.

They fought in the Mideast around Palestine.

 

 

off topic. Here’s another link that’s off topic

https://pictureshistory.blogspot.com/2010/11/subhash-chandra-bose-nazi-free-india-legion.html?m=1

WWWTT

CCTV4 has raised the question or possibility of NATO dissolving.

The Chinese are throwing around the idea that Trump is addicted to withdrawal. 

This statement is hard enough to grasp is English let alone the reading it in simplified Chinese and having to translate. 

The Chinese media is using the trade barriers against Europe as justification for countries such as Britain to retaliate against the US by completely pulling out of NATO. 

This is hard to believe but I say give it some time and I’ll revisit this possibility. 

Oh and by the way, don’t expect to find anything in any western corporate media coverage of this. Their noses are covered in NATO shit!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Oh and by the way, don’t expect to find anything in any western corporate media coverage of this.

That could be for two reasons.

1.  "Their noses are covered in NATO shit!"

2.  There's really nothing to the story.

If Canadian news doesn't report on a bus crash in Laos, that doesn't mean that the Canadian "MSM" is biased against Laotians, or doesn't consider them to be humans or whatever.

And if the "western corporate media" doesn't join you in treating Xi Jinping to a parade, it doesn't mean they're biased against him, nor doing the bidding of their neo-Conservative masters.

WWWTT

Hi Mr Magoo. How you doing? It’s been a while since you criticized one of my comments sprinkled with a dash of Xi JinPing worshiping. 

I thought you evolved past preaching hi atop your soapbox defending western corporate media writing style?

Chinese media has a unique perspective on western political events. Now nothing may ever come out of their theory, but I do find it interesting. 

NATO is imperialism, lots of people will be happy to see it gone. 

NDPP

Trump To Trudeau: Canada is Undermining NATO

http://rabble.ca/columnists/2018/06/trump-trudeau-canada-undermining-nato

"In a letter to Justin Trudeau, Trump claims that Canada is undermining NATO security by not fulfilling the pledge made by the Harper Conservatives in 2014 to meet the two percent target. What is increasingly obvious is the damage done to the American social and economic fabric by its own excessive military spending over many decades. Is this a direction Canada needs to emulate?"

Paladin1

What about just disbanning the Canadian Armed Forces?All those armored vehicles and jets and boats give off a lot of carbon emmissions and the military is constantly having dangerous spills and being fined by the fisheries act and all that.

progressive17 progressive17's picture

After we abolished the Canadian military, I guess we could just let adjacent states annex the various provinces, and there would be no need for an amendment to the US Constitution. If we didn't let them annex, they would annex anyway.

For example, Maine could get NB, NS, PEI, and NL, New Hampshire could get Quebec, Michigan could get Ontario, etc. Then we could dissolve all of the provincial governments, and send the bureaucrats home.

NDPP

Trump Told G7 Allies 'NATO Is As Bad As NAFTA'

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/trump-told-g7-allies-na...

"US President Donald Trump told fellow western leaders at the recent G-7 summit that the NATO alliance is 'as bad as NAFTA' - a North American trade deal that he has threatened to tear up. The comment, which will increase concerns that the Atlantic allies are headed for a bust up at their summit next month, was reported Thursday."

The broken clock is right twice...

NDPP

On Target: Neo Nazism On The Rise in Ukraine  -  by Scott Taylor

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1581395-on-target-neo-nazism-on-the...

"On July 1st, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will head to the NATO summit in Brussels and apparently his single point of concern for his fellow leaders will be that of continued support for Ukraine. There is nothing new in this approach as Canada has long been on the 'Russia bad, Ukraine good oversimplified policy bandwagon for some time now.

Trudeau's message at the NATO summit needs to reflect the reality of Ukraine's growing trend of far-right violence. It is hightime for plain talk and bad manners with Poroshenko: 'Get rid of your Nazis.'

NDPP

CrossTalk: Estranged Allies (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/431673-trump-europe-visit-politics/

"Donald Trump will soon visit Europe. He has a busy agenda and it is unclear what kind of reaction he will get. Topping his itinerary will be trade relations, NATO and Russia. Never before has an American president been expected with such apprehensions."

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