Non-violent civil disobedience crushed by Apartheid Israel

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There have been a large number of Israeli raids on Palestinian villages, with dozens of Palestinians abducted. These kinds of raids are, of course, commonplace for the occupied West Bank, but in recent days it appears the Israeli military has targeted sites of particularly strong Palestinian civil resistance to the separation wall.

For three consecutive days this week, Israeli forces invaded Jayyous, a village battling for survival as their agricultural land is lost to the wall and neighbouring Jewish colony. The soldiers occupied homes, detained residents, blocked off access roads, vandalised property, beat protestors, and raised the Israeli flag at the top of several buildings.

Jayyous is one of the Palestinian villages in the West Bank that has been non-violently resisting the separation wall for several years now. It was clear to the villagers that this latest assault was an attempt to intimidate the protest movement.

Zionist racial supremacy at work.


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I'm surprised the maistream media haven't picked up on this, since it so strongly reinforces the idea that Arabs are violent fanatics and...

 

Sorry, my morning coffee must have just kicked in there.


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Racist Zionist regime murders unarmed farmers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSECq3kxT4I


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Zionist supremacists continue dispossession and ethnic cleansing of an indigenous people.

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ISRAEL has ordered hundreds of Palestinians to leave their homes in annexed east Jerusalem, warning their houses are illegal, officials and residents said today.

"The owners of 80 houses in the al-Bustan neighbourhood have received eviction notices saying that the structures will be destroyed because they are illegal," said Hatem Abdel Kader, an official responsible for Jerusalem affairs in the Palestinian government.

He said 1500 people were living in the threatened houses in the neighbourhood abutting the Old City.

 

 


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Amnest accuses Zionist supremacist regime of war crimes - calls for arms ban

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Amnesty International has released a report calling for a global arms embargo against Israel because of its conduct during the recent conflict in the Gaza Strip.

 


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Amnesty says white phosphorous used in war crimes by Zionist supremacist regime were supplied by the U.S.

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White phosphorus bombs used by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip were produced and supplied by American arms manufacturers, according to an Amnesty International report that called for a comprehensive arms embargo on Israel today.


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Israeli racial supremacist pelted with shoes

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During a talk at the Apollo Hotel in Amsterdam on Sunday, Israeli speaker Ron Edelheit was pelted with shoes thrown by members of the audience. Mr Edelheit was a spokesman for the Israeli army during its recent offensive in the Gaza Strip. Police arrested two men and one woman, all in their early twenties. Outside the hotel, around fifty others protested against Mr Edelheit's visit, in what police said was a peaceful manner.


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If being a spokesman for the Israeli army makes someone ipso-facto a "racial supremacist" what do you call a spokesman for the Chinese government after their latest skirmish in Tibet? A Chinese racial supremacist.  During the war between Iran and Iraq - were the spokesmen for each country both "racial supremacists" If not what do you call them. For thousands of years - countries have waged war against one another and when all is said and done its about two competing claims to territory. Are Hamas or Fatah spokespersona also "racial supremacists" who just happen to think that a different race is superior?

You're clearly just trying to be provocative for the sake of being provocative. If someone posted ten separate messages in the space of ten minutes all referring to atrocities by "Islamist hate mongers" and "Muslim religious freaks" - you'd be the first person to be running to the moderators calling for disciplinary action. 


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Yay Israel! Let's hear it for Israel! Stop singling out Israel! Whoopee!


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The Chinese government is not founded on a philosophy of racial superiority. Israel is not just founded on such a philosophy, it is actively engaged in carrying out that philosophy. Given your statements in opposition to religion and race, I am surprised you feel the need to defend a religious ideolgical parallel to white supremacy.


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Israel was founded on a philosophy of Jews having a homeland. Period.  No one ever said they were "better" or "superior" to anyone else. If there is a passage in the Israeli consitution where they declare themselves to be racially superior - I'd like to see it. There may be individuals there who think they are superior - but I have news for you - in every country in the world you don't have to look far to find elements of cultural narcissism. Canada was founded under a sentiment that we were superior to the Americans because we were believers in the monarchy. I'm sure that if Quebec ever becomes independent people will argue that it will have been founded on a philosophy of Quebecois racial superiority.

The Nazis used to say this crap all the time - "those Jews claim to be the chosen people - we'll show them a thing or two! Off with their heads!". Goebbels used to give speeches like that all the time.


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"Israel was founded on a philosophy of Jews having a homeland. Period. "

By dispossessing, ethnic cleansing, and denying the civil, legal, and political rights of the indigenous population that is horded into camps, subject to brutality and humiliations, and mass murder only because they are not Jews.

White separatists movements say all they want is a homeland too. What's the difference? I remain suprised you would be defending a supremacist movement. Is it only because it is a Jewish supremacist movement or would you also support a white supremacist movement founded around establishing a homeland for Aryans?

 


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Every country on the face of the earth has some innate sense of its own superiority - otherwise why exist at all. You can take issue with specific policies that Israel has employed - as do I. But, the founding philosophy of Israel is really no different from the founding philosophy of any country. Israel was founded on providing a country for Israelis - Argentina was founded to provide a country for Argentines. If the Tamil Tigers get their way, Tamil Ealam will be founded based on a philosophy that Tamils should have a country of their own - and I don't expect any members of the Sinhala minority living in heavily Tamil areas to feel at home there either.


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Yes it is. It is specifically founded on the philosophy as an ethnic state granting superiority to one ethnic class over another and on the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population. That is Zionism - an ideology of exclusion. I don't mind if it excludes me in the same manner as I don't care if the Aryan Nation excludes me, but I object to its exclusion of the indigenous population and its use of Aparthied-type laws to enforce that exclusion. You are making excuses for an official racism.


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Stockholm wrote:
Every country on the face of the earth has some innate sense of its own superiority - otherwise why exist at all. You can take issue with specific policies that Israel has employed - as do I. But, the founding philosophy of Israel is really no different from the founding philosophy of any country. Israel was founded on providing a country for Israelis - Argentina was founded to provide a country for Argentines. If the Tamil Tigers get their way, Tamil Ealam will be founded based on a philosophy that Tamils should have a country of their own - and I don't expect any members of the Sinhala minority living in heavily Tamil areas to feel at home there either.

 

Don't you know about the double standard? Forget Dufur, India, Pakistan, Iran, Rwanda etc. (Rule # 1 ) If there  is any criticism to be levelled it MUST be against Israel that "racist, Zionist, Apartheid" sate. (Did I leave any possible vilification out?) That's why Syd Ryan is simply irreverent.   But tread lightly because  begging to differ is a banning offence. And (rule #2) what ever you do don't talk about anti-semitism. 

 


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Why are you people singling out Israel?

Surely there are countless other aggressive, ethnocentric, colonial outposts occupying territory illegally, refusing the return of refugees, all in violation of countless U.N. resolutions and World Court decisions?

Ok, well, maybe not "countless" others...

Would you believe, some others? No?

How about, another one that existed once?

 


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Don't you know about the double standard? Forget Dufur, India, Pakistan, Iran, Rwanda etc. (Rule # 1 ) If there  is any criticism to be levelled it MUST be against Israel that "racist, Zionist, Apartheid" sate. (Did I leave any possible vilification out?) That's why Syd Ryan is simply irreverent.   But tread lightly because  begging to differ is a banning offence. And (rule #2) what ever you do don't talk about anti-semitism.

I'm missing your point. Are you arguing that Zionist racism and the dispossession of an indigenous people ought to be tolerated because there is ethnic violence in Darfur and elsewhere? Is that your point?


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I am stating a fact, not arguing,  that Israel has become an obsession yet other situations far worse and pressing are ignored. That is the double standard.


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That is not a fact. That is an argument. One you're clearly not prepared for. So would it have been your argument that the world was obsessed unjustly with South African Apartheid in the 80s and black civil rights in the US during the 60s? Were activists unjustly obsessed with ending the slave trade in the 1800s? Is that the argument you are making?


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What situations are far worse and pressing?

Good points FM.


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"What situations are far worse and pressing?"

Something like two million people have died in Congo in the last two years. That strikes me as far worse and more pressing by any objective standard. 


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Stockholm wrote:

"What situations are far worse and pressing?"

Something like two million people have died in Congo in the last two years. That strikes me as far worse and more pressing by any objective standard.

 

And where is that boycott?

 

http://tinyurl.com/bemypj

 

http://tinyurl.com/c66omm


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Fuck you.


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Yet another complete ass. Welcome to the new babble.

 

What M. Spector said. 


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Why are you people singling out Israel?

Surely there are countless other aggressive, ethnocentric, colonial outposts occupying territory illegally, refusing the return of refugees, all in violation of countless U.N. resolutions and World Court decisions?

Ok, well, maybe not "countless" others...

Would you believe, some others? No?

How about, another one that existed once? 

What about Morocco's occupation of Western Sahara?

Stockholm, there are worse conflicts in the world, but last time I checked, Congo didn't have nuclear weapons, and wasn't making 200 million Arabs incredibly angry.

Israel is a major player on the world stage, we would be foolish to ignore it.

Besides, why can't we focus on Israel and Congo at the same time? Why do we have to ignore Israel's atrocities, while focusing all our attention on another country?

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Fuck you.

 

Thank you for illustrating my point. That's why you are irrelevant.


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nonest factum wrote:

 

Stockholm wrote:

"What situations are far worse and pressing?"

Something like two million people have died in Congo in the last two years. That strikes me as far worse and more pressing by any objective standard.

 

And where is that boycott?

 

http://tinyurl.com/bemypj

 

http://tinyurl.com/c66omm

 

In another thread, asshole.

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/will-ndpliberal-coalitions...

 

It makes me sick that some here and elsewhere are still whining about Hamas rockets that don't hit anything, while Israel is kidnapping and murdering people and the media keeps silent!

Disgusting prejudice!


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It makes me sick that some here and elsewhere are still whining about Hamas rockets that don't hit anything, while Israel is kidnapping and murdering people and the media keeps silent!

Disgusting prejudice! 

 Polite indignation by comparison with your obsession with "that Zionist Entity." But you are right you're hypocrisy is indeed disgusting. 

And again you are right Israel kidnapped and murdered the soldiers that sparked the Lebanon Invasion?

All the while the Israel controlled media is completely silent. Well then thank god for elightenend intellectuals like you.


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I don't understand, ItIsNotFactual. What are you saying should be done about Israel's activities?

 


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Unionist wrote:

I don't understand, ItIsNotFactual. What are you saying should be done about Israel's activities?

 

Balance .......


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"It makes me sick that some here and elsewhere are still whining about Hamas rockets that don't hit anything,"

Because its just a matter of time before they start to have better aim. If someone kept shooting at me every time i crossed the street - i think i'd be pretty angry - even if they kept missing me despite their best efforts.


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or better rockets...which are becoming a reality thanks to their allies, Iran and Syria.


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Stockholm wrote:

If someone kept shooting at me every time i crossed the street - i think i'd be pretty angry...

Even if you had blockaded their driveway and thrown rocks at their windows for years? 


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This thread is sickening on so many levels, and yet babble still is allowing it.


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I don't know remind, letting people like nonest factum look like idiots all by themselves isn't a bad thing.

I mean really? "Balance ....... " Like what the fuck is that supposed to mean? I'm sorry I read it and laughed and thought Grad student.

Pretty much everyone in this thread knows better to bite on the "What about nation X's crimes agasint humanity? Huh!?! Huh!?!?" Everyone here knows that you can have mutliple, complex views on different problems in different nations - ignore the tool.


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Too funny, you caught the word that tipped me over the edge, "balance".  As if there is any between Israel and Palestine, or as if Palestine outwieghs Israel.

You are correct "tool" is the operative word.


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Actually Fool is better suited for.... you.

Irrelevant fools.


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Bye bye sooin to be gone NoFactum. While we didn't like you, well, no...you weren't even amusing. Just an utter dumbass.

 

 


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nonest factum wrote:
Unionist wrote:

I don't understand, ItIsNotFactual. What are you saying should be done about Israel's activities?

 Balance .......

Nothing? No sanctions? No enforcement of U.N. resolutions? Nothing at all?


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nonest factum wrote:

 

Stockholm wrote:

"What situations are far worse and pressing?"

Something like two million people have died in Congo in the last two years. That strikes me as far worse and more pressing by any objective standard.

 

And where is that boycott?

 

http://tinyurl.com/bemypj

 

http://tinyurl.com/c66omm

 

In another thread, asshole.

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/will-ndpliberal-coalitions...

 

 

 

Someone in that thread is speaking rather loudly by his absence.

 

This fake indignation about our alleged focus on Palestine would be funny if it weren't for the decades-long brutal military oppression that it excuses.


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Stockholm wrote:

If being a spokesman for the Israeli army makes someone ipso-facto a "racial supremacist" what do you call a spokesman for the Chinese government after their latest skirmish in Tibet? A Chinese racial supremacist. During the war between Iran and Iraq - were the spokesmen for each country both "racial supremacists" If not what do you call them. For thousands of years - countries have waged war against one another and when all is said and done its about two competing claims to territory. Are Hamas or Fatah spokespersona also "racial supremacists" who just happen to think that a different race is superior?

You're clearly just trying to be provocative for the sake of being provocative. If someone posted ten separate messages in the space of ten minutes all referring to atrocities by "Islamist hate mongers" and "Muslim religious freaks" - you'd be the first person to be running to the moderators calling for disciplinary action.

 

Provocative for the sake of being provocative? Here?

 


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Aw Stock, looks like you found a buddy. Wink


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Rant begins

 

Israel is a tragedy.  It’s a tragedy for the Palestinians obviously, but also for the Jews, inside and outside Israel.  The Zionist cancer spreads into everyone in the country and Jewish people morph into monsters.  The polls on support for “transport” (maybe they would get better numbers if they suggested “teleportation”) keep growing year after year.

 

This will end the way these things always end, once the door is opened up and one group of people is selected as less than human.  Once that door is open anything can and eventually everything will happen.

 

I think there is a chance that public sentiment could shift when the worst comes to pass, regardless of efforts to distract and/or confuse.  At that point Jewish people in the rest of world might see the downside of Israel’s 20-year propaganda campaign, the one that repeats in endless variations “Israel is Jewish, Jewish is Israel”.  They could always try telling people “we’re the good Jews, they’re the bad Jews”.  That didn’t work too well for Japanese Canadians in WW2 but there’s always a first time.

 

In response to the inevitable zio-extremo, please be aware that I like Jewish people because I am not a racist.  I am against Israel because Israel is a racist state.

 

So I am against Israel because I like Jewish people.

 

I am against Israel because Israel is the worst thing to happen since the Holocaust (yes I am aware that the racist ideology of Zionism was founded in the late 1800’s).

 

I am against Israel because Israel is the biggest threat to Jewish people since the Nazis.

 

Hey!  Let’s chat!

 

Rant ends


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Stockholm, this one was a no-brainer.  Why can't you admit that, if Israel is going to demand that Palestinians give up violence, it has an OBLIGATION to let them resist nonviolently, and to do so without violent retribution?

Israel has all the power in this situation.  The Palestinians are at its mercy and if every Palestinian DID give up violence, the Israeli government would simply say "we won" and fill the rest of the West Bank with settlements.  In the Nineties, the Palestinians did EVERYTHING you demanded they do and they got nothing whatsoever for it. 

Just admit you don't want the Palestinians to ever have a state already. 

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redpill wrote:

Rant begins

 

...snip

 

 

Do you think you're clever or really want to chat?


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nonest factum wrote:

Provocative for the sake of being provocative? Here?

 

 

Golly, between Stockhom's sophisticated, urbane Oscar Leroy impressions and your derisive, yet content-free smugness, we're really being clobbered here.


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OMG that is too funny!


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Stockholm wrote:

"It makes me sick that some here and elsewhere are still whining about Hamas rockets that don't hit anything,"

Because its just a matter of time before they start to have better aim. If someone kept shooting at me every time i crossed the street - i think i'd be pretty angry - even if they kept missing me despite their best efforts.

 Yes, stockholm. We've noticed that Israel is "angry".

Geez, I'd hate to see her really mad ...

Oh wait! We did see Israel's complete and utter madness too.

And 400 children didn't survive that temper tantrum.

 

The rockets are just distress flares.

The bombs, white phosphorus, bullets ... those were real.

Families were herded into UN 'safe' houses, then bombed, and as they ran out of the house to get away from the bombs, they were shot.

 Oh yes, we know Israel is mad.

 


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How times change! Last week, the Israeli Knesset passed, on first reading, the Jewish National Fund bill which allows the JNF to refuse to lease land to Arab citizens. The JNF is a quasi-public charity established to raise funds to purchase land for Jewish settlement within Israel. In 1961, the Israeli government transferred 13% of Israeli land to the JNF. Included in this were one million dunams expropriated from Arab residents who fled Israel in 1948.

The government had sold the land to the JNF at bargain-basement prices in order to remain at arm's length from the tainted process. Historically, the JNF has maintained a ban against Arab use of its land. But the Israeli supreme court, in a landmark ruling, said that the JNF can no longer discriminate against the Arab population. The Court maintained that such a ban defies the norms of a democratic state and must be ended.

The Knesset bill, co-sponsored by a ruling party Kadima Knesset member, is an attempt to get around the court ruling.

 

 

 


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 http://www.rabble.ca/news/jnf-charitable-tax-status-racism

Tell your MP to revoke JNF's charitable status in Canada


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In the midst of all of this were plastic bottles of urine and many closed bags - in some houses, olive-colored ones - of excrement. People assumed that the commanders stayed there. There are houses where excrement was smeared on the walls, or where dry piles of it were found in corners. In many cases, the smells indicated that soldiers had urinated on piles of clothing or inside a washing machine. In all the houses the toilets were overflowing and clogged, and there was filth all around.

The supremacists brave soldiers at work


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Ms Rovera said Amnesty International was concerned about "large scale destruction of homes and other civilian properties" during the conflict.

"The destruction was, in our view, and according to our findings, wanton destruction - it could not be justified on military grounds," she said.

Ms Rovera said her team found fragments of anti-tank mines in and around destroyed properties.

Supremacists always have time for acts of depravity, cruelty, or vindictiveness


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4.532 images of the supremacist state's crimes against humanity - Palestinian Mothers

Send your favouritte to Count Iggy at Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca

 


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So now we have an opportunity to see how Americans will react. We've asked the Palestinians to lay down their arms. We've told them their lack of a state is their own fault; if only they would embrace non-violence, a reasonable and unprejudiced world would see the merit of their claims. Over the weekend, tens of thousands of them did just that, and it seems likely to continue. If crowds of tens of thousands of non-violent Palestinian protestors continue to march, and if Israel continues to shoot at them, what will we do? Will we make good on our rhetoric, and press Israel to give them their state? Or will it turn out that our paeans to non-violence were just cynical tactics in an amoral international power contest staged by militaristic Israeli and American right-wing groups whose elective affinities lead them to shape a common narrative of the alien Arab/Muslim threat?

The Economist?..yes, The Economist!

 

I doubt that anyone is under the illusion that the Zionist or the USA will change their stance one bit on Palestine.  Nobody but the most gullible or the most indoctrinated really believes that the US has been either sincere or honest in its pretty words about the plight of the Palestinians.


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Unlike previous years, this Nakba Day was not simply a commemoration of the catastrophe that befell the Palestinians in 1948, when their homeland was forcibly reinvented as the Jewish state. It briefly reminded Palestinians that, despite their long-enforced dispersion, they still have the potential to forge a common struggle against Israel.

As Israel violently cracked down on last Sunday's protests on many fronts -- in the West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem and on the borders with Syria and Lebanon -- it looked less like a military superpower and more like the proverbial boy with his finger in the dam.

The Palestinian "Arab Spring" is arriving and Israel has no diplomatic or political strategy to deal with it. Instead on Sunday, Israel used the only weapon in its current arsenal -- brute force -- against unarmed demonstrators.

 

Israel in a Strategic Dead End


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