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The $ does not need America or anyone else. Human greed is a bigger force than NATO.

NDPP

An Elite Coalition Emerges Against A Trump-Kim Agreement

https://t.co/KEQ5AZa302

"An implicit coalition of corporate media, Democrat partisans and others loyal to the national security state are actively hostile to any agreement that would endanger the continuation of the 70-year-old Cold War between the US and North Korea..."

WWWTT

Ok looks like this is going to be a slow weekend and I've got time on my hands so I figured I'd share some political humour with everyone. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9df_y1X6sU

6079_Smith_W
voice of the damned

Despite their partisan rhetoric about "selling out to a dictator", I think the "elite coalition", were they in power, would be doing pretty much the same thing that Trump is doing on North Korea, which is more-or-less continuing a status quo that no one is really in any position to upend.

voice of the damned

Anyway, a few dozen dead American soldiers from the Korean War have now been returned, which gives Trump the pretext to brag about how great he is at getting concessions from the DPRK. (I believe Carter, acting on behalf of Clinton, also got some bodies back in the early 90s, but see my previous point about the status quo.)

WWWTT

All show and no go.

Let me explain, the biggest supporter of NK, China has veto power at the UN, second largest Russia also has veto at the UN. India, probably the third largest supporter of North Korea, if not the second? does not have veto (making the UN a racist peice of shit organization, but that's for another thread) So really, these countries only support the UN sanctions for show, in reality they give a ratts. As they should!

Here's a link about India/NK relations

https://www.dw.com/en/the-curious-case-of-india-north-korea-relations/a-...

6079_Smith_W

In case you were too busy to notice while fitting everyone for team jerseys, the point is that the "agreement" is worthless.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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India comes right after China as North Korea's second-biggest trade partner among all other countries who maintain trade relations with the communist state. India makes up about 3.5 percent ($97 million, €83 million) of North Korea's exports and 3.1 percent ($97 million) of its imports, according to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Observatory of Economic Complexity.

Wait, what?

Their SECOND LARGEST trade partner amounts to about 3.5%?

I can scarcely imagine how little their sixth largest trade partner accounts for.  Or their twelfth.

"We traded a case of AA batteries for some kimchi".

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Activists Criticize US for Delaying Real Peace

South Korean peace and justice activists have been writing to us at Popular Resistance complaining that the United States is not responding to the positive steps being taken by North Korea before and after the meeting between President Trump and Chairman Kim. They have sent us information about protests they are organizing in South Korea aginst the United States as well as in Washington, DC.

Their views show a great divide between the United States and the calls for a permanent peace which includes removal of US troops as just last week the Congress passed a National Defense Authorization Act which forbids removal of US troops from Korea. The John S. McCain Act states the “significant removal” of US troops is “a non-negotiable item as it relates to the complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization” of North Korea..

The activists argue that the temporary halt in war games which practice nuclear and other military attacks on North Korea are insufficient. They want to see movement toward a real peace treaty and removal of economic sanctions, especially allowing South Korea and North Korea to normalize relations. And, they want US military forces out of Korea, permanently.

On July 27, in a protest in front of the White House, South Korean activists claimed the June 12 agreement between North Korea and the United States called for normalizing relations between North Korea and the US and establishing a permanent and solid peace regime in Korea. They believe that to conclude North Korea-US peace treaty includes withdrawal of the US military from Korea as the core. They call on the Trump administration to fully implement the June 12 declaration and immediately withdraw US troops from South Korea. They pledge all-out national resistance against the United States, to advance the realization of the world where US troops are withdrawn, the Korean people are masters of their country, and the nation is reunified....

NDPP

Inside America's MeddlingMachine: The US Funded Group that Interferes in Elections Around the Globe  (and vid)

https://twitter.com/GrayzoneProject/status/1031706407761006592

"Watch America's Meddling Machine, a documentary investigation into the National Endowment for Democracy. Filmed on Capitol Hill, Max Blumenthal shows how this US-funded group has interfered in elections and driven regime change operations around the globe."

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

That's a very interesting little video, well worth watching. Here is a direct YouTube link.

WWWTT

Here's a recent event in North Korea very important to share. Worthy of other babblers to at least reflect upon for a moment

http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Daily-Updates/2018/08/23/div-class-li...

After seeing this, I'm 100% convinced Korea will reunite! Question isn't if but when.

NDPP

Trump Cancels Secretary of State's Trip to North Korea One Day After its Announcement

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/08/25/kore-a25.html

"US President Donald Trump on Friday canceled Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's upcoming fourth visit to North Korea next week, citing a lack of progress on Pyongyang's denuclearization. The decision coming  only one day after Pompeo announced his trip, highlights the unpredictability of the Trump administration and the continual ramping up of tensions in Northeast Asia, aimed primarily at China.

In the same set of tweets canceling Pompeo's visit, Trump also denounced China, linking the growing trade war between Washington and Beijing with North Korea: 'Additionally, because of our much tougher Trading (sic) stance with China, I do not believe they are helping us with the process of denuclearization as they once were.'

Trump's agenda from the beginning was to issue Pyongyang an ultimatum: either join the US war drive against China, which would likely mean US troops on the Chinese border and even North Korea's own participation in such a war against its former ally, or the US would 'totally destroy' the poverty-stricken country as Trump had previously threatened. With the US-China trade war escalating and another Chinese delegation expected to arrive in Washington in the near future, Trump is leveraging North Korea against China to gain an upper hand in the talks..."

WWWTT

Thanks for the link NDPP. I'm going to use it for some speculation.

It's possible that Trump (or the US) wants to be central to the peace process. Trump may be worried that the US has lost control (or the perception of) of the peace process and that reunification of Korea will happen without the US. It actually makes sence because if  Korea is able to brush aside the US and acomplish without the US's help, then this may be viewed as US weakness.

I don't think it's any coincidence that after hundreds of families have briefly united (and more planned) and the Korean people all have seen these images, that Trump is now trying to put the US back into center stage of the peace process. Using a delaying tactic is fairly safe for the time being. Flip side is that it gets old and predictable.

voice of the damned

WWWTT wrote:

I don't think it's any coincidence that after hundreds of families have briefly united (and more planned) and the Korean people all have seen these images...

Just for the record, but these family reunions are not unprecedented. They've been taking place, albeit sporadically, since 2000. So the current images are not likely to be any sort of epiphany for most Koreans.

As for Trump, I've never quite bought the idea that he's a crazed warmonger, and I think that if he believes he can attain glory by seeming to preside over the end of the Korean War and the reunification of Korea, he'll happily grab the honour. I also think that, if Obama had made some sort of major advance in regards to peace on the peninsula, Trump would now be trying to wreck it.

https://tinyurl.com/yc7dug3q

WWWTT

I have seen footage of past reunions and I’m sure they have kept the peace process going all this time. Now to what extent it has helped can be debated. 

Keep in mind that the current peace negotiations are probably the most promising ever, and these family reunions will only guarantee that peace process will not stall. And or accelerate the process 

NDPP

US To Continue Army Drills with South Korea Despite Trump's Promise in Singapore

https://youtu.be/yLSInXf43Q4

NDPP

Kim Jong-un Welcomes South Korean Leader in Pyongyang for Historic Summit (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/9ehl

"South Korean President Moon Jae-in has landed in Pyongyang for the historic summit with Kim Jong-un as part of the ongoing reconciliation process and talks on denuclearization of the peninsula. The South Korean president brought a large entourage of 110 delegates, including top business leaders, that will discuss strengthening ties between the neighbors..."

As long as the psycho Americans can be kept at bay, things are likely to go well.

NDPP

US Bullying of the Two Koreas Endangers Its Alliance...And Peace

https://t.co/FGhnNqy0bf

"Everyone but the US believes that unilateral denuclearization is a fantasy and that only accepting peace can defuse the problem. If the haranguing by Washington continues, South Korea may well act on its own..."

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Two Koreas Advance Peace Without Trump’s ‘Approval’

North and South Korea are moving ahead with plans to build road and rail links as part of their historic peace talks. But the U.S. is standing in the way, as Trump refuses to lift sanctions and claims that the South Koreans “do nothing without our approval.” We speak to Col. Lawrence Wilkerson

 

WWWTT

@ epaulo NDPP

Korea moving on with peace without the US is something I predicted and really it’s a no brainer screaming obvious. 

The only problem is the US troops and military hardware based in SK and Japan. 

The sanctions I believe is something Korea and regional countries will ignore in several years. 

Perhaps in say 10-16 months, the thumb screws are going to seriously tighten on the US if they keep playing their games!

WWWTT

I’m surprised NDPP didn’t jump on this so here it is. North Korea may very well start up their nuclear testing again

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/11/03/asia-pacific/north-korea-warns-restart-nuclear-weapons-development-sanctions-arent-lifted/#.W99ik6RybYU

side note- I’m going to try to stay away from western news links. 

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