One small step for man, one giant leap in gullibility

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WWWTT
One small step for man, one giant leap in gullibility

Ok I'm going to start off with just some routine facts.

NASA claims that it has sent humans (astronaughts) to Earth's orbiting moon, and back to Earth. Six times in total (I think?)

No other group organization or country has duplicated this. Also, NASA has never done it again after the first program ended. Or has never made the claim.

No other group organization or country has independently verified that NASA has sent humans to Earth's orbiting moon and back. This fact will be my main point in disbelieving the NASA claim it has sent humans to the moon and back! Along with the fact that no one else has claimed to have done this.

Just to be clear, I'm not claiming that orbiting the Earth is a conspiracy. At night, just after sunset in a clear sky, I can usually find satellites when looking at stars. Back in the early 1980's, you'd be lucky to find a couple, now you can easily find a couple dozen in the same time!

I see no purpose in sending humans to the moon (and space in general). A satellite in space orbiting Earth, ya sure this has many purposes. One of which is to expand our awareness of Earth itself.  But it comes at a cost!!!

What could have the US done with that money instead?

 

 

cco

WWWTT wrote:

No other group organization or country has independently verified that NASA has sent humans to Earth's orbiting moon and back. This fact will be my main point in disbelieving the NASA claim it has sent humans to the moon and back! Along with the fact that no one else has claimed to have done this.

Yes, they have. Overwhelmingly, repeatedly, indubitably. If you have a decent-sized laser, you can reflect it off stuff the Apollo astronauts left up there.

WWWTT wrote:

What could have the US done with that money instead?

The money it didn't spend, because it faked the moon landing, or the money it did, because it went there? Or are you arguing that faking it was really expensive?

Either way, we don't need to speculate on what the US could've done if it'd cancelled the space program, because we know exactly what it would've been spent on.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I agree with cco on both points. To me, the "fake lunar landing" ideas are just as obviously wrong as believing the earth is flat.

WWWTT

Sorry, but I'm yet to see third party evidence that a human was ever on the moon! There's not a single picture in the link that cco provided that shows any third party images of the appollo hardware and the US flag allegedly left on the moon. Even then, any country with the tech to send an unmaned vehicle to the moon can plant all kinds of tech there.

Cold fussion and perpetual machines are good example of other far fetched claims that many have made and went through great lengths to take pictures of that are impossible to duplicate When are the humans returning to the moon? I'm thinking around the same time there's a breakthrough in cold fussion and perpetual machines.

As far as the 25 billion dollars goes, that number is from the US. I know for a fact it wasn't spent on health care and education!

JKR

I hear China has ongoing recruiting drives for lunar space cadets throughout China, but not in Hong Kong. That might explain why Hong Kong’s health and education systems are so impressive!   :b

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Look, WWWTT-I'm pretty sure that essentially all of us on this board think the idea of trying to land on the Moon again, let alone Mars, is a waste of money, that a lot of fundamental human needs are of far greater precedence.  But why do you feel that you need to be a moon landing denier to make that point?  Moon landing denial, like Holocaust denial or membership in the Flat Earth society, is just going to automatically discredit what you're trying to say in the eyes of most people.

 

cco

Ken Burch wrote:

Look, WWWTT-I'm pretty sure that essentially all of us on this board think the idea of trying to land on the Moon again, let alone Mars, is a waste of money, that a lot of fundamental human needs are of far greater precedence.

I don't – or at least I reject the idea that manned space exploration is what's keeping us from housing the homeless, feeding the hungry, and solving climate change. That's not how budget allocation works in practice.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Virtually all space scientists agree that robot missions are a far more efficient use of research funds than sending humans to space. For the foreseeable future, manned space exploration will be much more about show business than anything else.

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kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

JKR wrote:

I hear China has ongoing recruiting drives for lunar space cadets throughout China, but not in Hong Kong. That might explain why Hong Kong’s health and education systems are so impressive!   :b

This recent report points to Hong Kong's health care being a lot like Canada only more two tiered than we are. I don't think it is impressive although it appears to be slightly better than Canada in some of its wait times for services. This report highlights that two tiered means shortages of professional in the public sector.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YapG_9y0__o

https://youtu.be/YapG_9y0__o?t=222

As for the moon landing. I love the fact that NASA training in my backyard outside of Sudbury has spawned some great "theories." I think that the risk factor to life is too great especially given the debatable added benefit over AI and robotic crews.

lagatta4

The space race was a part of the Cold War. Yes, a terrible waste of resources despite the important technological progress it created - one could have done the same by research meeting human needs.  But it did exist, and negating that fact discredits those who do so.

WWWTT

Ken Burch wrote:

Look, WWWTT-I'm pretty sure that essentially all of us on this board think the idea of trying to land on the Moon again, let alone Mars, is a waste of money, that a lot of fundamental human needs are of far greater precedence.  But why do you feel that you need to be a moon landing denier to make that point?  Moon landing denial, like Holocaust denial or membership in the Flat Earth society, is just going to automatically discredit what you're trying to say in the eyes of most people.

 

No actually your comment, the second part,  is out of context from my character. If I'm accepted or not is completely irrelevant to me. But perhaps this is not what you are implying?

Denying some of the garbage getting shoveled down your face 24/7 by the ICM is somewhat intellectually healthy. Your awareness will not expand if you constantly believe the ICM.

Massacres are part of human history. Many countries and societies have done this throughout human history. Lots of well documented evidence. These acts still happen and will continue in the future! Why make the comparison?

Also, the Earth is spherical. This explains the different lengths of day, seasons and angle of the Sun to Earth at different locations on the Earth and at different times of the year. All easily proven by anyone.

Furthermore, the flat Earth conspiracy is probably the most famous well known documented conspiracy to have ever occured in Human history! The roman catholic church actually convinced the masses that the Earth was flat! The church leaders at the time thought that science/awareness was a threat to their authority/power (that's how I at least remember it). As far as I'm concerned, NASA's test on the gullibilty of humans is only surpassed by the catholic church's achievments!

India Japan Russia and China have all sent satellites probes to the moon. I'm yet to see anything released that clearly shows any of the stuff left by NASA. 

Here's some other commical examples of evidence to flaunt in the face of a "denier" like me

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=telescopic+image+of+apollo+lunar+la...

Reminds me of this clip of a jet plane

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+jet+hitting+pentagon&view=...

 

WWWTT

Nice try! Makes absolutely no sense when you consider the fact that there's an international space station. If money was an obstocle, then 20 or so countries could easily pool their resources together. 

Sounds like someone really doesn't want to go back hey ;)

As a side note, the ISS is the most expensive human created object.