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Doug Woodard
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Doug Woodard
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Re: 'Polish Nationalist Youth March Draws Thousands In Capital' - WSJ

"In the capital of 'free', capitalist, post-Warsaw Pact Poland, tens of thousands of fascists march across downtown, calling for Jews and Muslims to be ethnically cleansed, chanting 'Europe Will Be White', proudly carrying symbols of Nazi collaboration...This is what the Cold War was fought to save."

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/929504117525041154

josh

Jews?  Apparently Auschwitz and post-war programs weren’t enough for them.  Eastern Europe reverting to form.

NorthReport

Obviously this kind of environment is encouraged by Poland’s very sick right-wing government with lots of help from the Russians

josh

And Trump.

NorthReport

Agreed josh

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90% of Polish Jews Died in the Holocaust. So Why Are Poland's Nationalists Chanting 'Get the Jews Out of Power'?
Poland's anti-Semitic far right marches to the tune of recent nationalist myths pushed by their government, including years of official denial of Polish complicity in the death of Jews in WWII - and with a little help from Donald Trump
 

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.822484

lagatta4

What is more bizarre still is how many NON Jewish (and non Roma) Poles were murdered in the Nazis' ethnic cleansing and outright theft of everything in that country. The Nazis didn't view Slavs as fully white: at most, "valuable genetic material" (from the Scandinavian Rus) could be "extracted" from them by a horrible winnowing process, stealing Polish children and killing those who didn't conform to the Aryan nutty "racial" rules.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that "white nationalists" are so utterly stupid and lacking in the most elementary historical memory.

NDPP

'White Europe Of Brotherly Nations' - Tommy Robinson Represents UK At Huge Far-Right Polish Demo (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/8s54

"Far-right European figures including former leader of the English Defence League (EDL) Tommy Robinson, attended a huge demonstration in Warsaw on Poland's Independence Day. Around 60,000 nationalist and fascist demonstrators attended in what has been described as one of the largest far-right gatherings in the world.

Apart from Robinson, who covered the event for the far-right Canadian-based The Rebel Media, there were nationalist figures from Italy, Sweden and Germany in attendance..."

Robinson was hosted some years ago in TO by Meir Weinstein and the JDL. 

http://rabble.ca/babble/activism/urgent-action-stop-jdl-adls-islamaphobi...

SeekingAPolitic...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/magazine/the-party-that-wants-to-make...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/central-europe/2017-11-03/why-po...

 

Here my take on what is happening.  It starts with Law and Justice Party in the Poland. They got elected 2015 but they after not regular party they want a new "stronger" Poland.  They are building something akin to American Exepectionlism but a Polish version.  This is based on morality, nationalism, historical grievances, and the RC church.  

Some in the thread have talked about Trump and Russian influence.  Trump compared LAJ party maybe the goals are similar but the results are different.  Trump is has accomplished very little but LAJ party going to be reelected with maybe even with a absolute majority.  They combined nationalism and welfare together and generally people approve.    As for Russia being part of the pro polish nationalism that is non starter.  Remember historical grievances well there  is deep to mild distrust to both Germany and Russia from WW2.  

I getting tried I finish this after some sleep.

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Polish president condemns far-right scenes at Independence Day march

Andrzej Duda said there is ‘no place in Poland’ for the scenes of xenophobia and racism that marred the 60,000-strong national holiday march

Protest

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/13/polish-president-condemns-...

SeekingAPolitic...

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/magazine/the-party-that-wants-to-make...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/central-europe/2017-11-03/why-po...

 

Here my take on what is happening.  It starts with Law and Justice Party in the Poland. They got elected 2015 but they after not regular party they want a new "stronger" Poland.  They are building something akin to American Exepectionlism but a Polish version.  This is based on morality, nationalism, historical grievances, and the RC church.  

Some in the thread have talked about Trump and Russian influence.  Trump compared LAJ party maybe the goals are similar but the results are different.  Trump is has accomplished very little but LAJ party going to be reelected with maybe even with a absolute majority.  They combined nationalism and welfare together and generally people approve.    As for Russia being part of the pro polish nationalism that is non starter.  Remember historical grievances well there  is deep to mild distrust to both Germany and Russia from WW2.  

I getting tried I finish this after some sleep.

Building this new Polish narrative means that they have to celebrate nationalism as it is the glue that holds together the message.  The president is now critical of the march in a qualified way.  

https://qz.com/1127947/all-the-ways-the-polish-government-tried-to-spin-...

Pumping up people with nationalism leads to embarrassing and potentially deadly events. It depends on the voters will they empower the Law and Justice party with more vote or less.  

NorthReport

Massive fascist rally in Poland shows how the far right has perverted the word ‘patriotism’: Paradkar

Patriotism used to be about the spirit of inclusion. Now, the far right — even in Canada — has made it about exclusion and white supremacy.

Nationalists burn flares as they march through Warsaw to mark Poland's National Independence Day on Nov. 11.

Nationalists burn flares as they march through Warsaw to mark Poland's National Independence Day on Nov. 11.  (JANEK SKARZYNSKI / AFP/GETTY IMAGES)  

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2017/11/13/massive-fascist-rally-in-pola...

SeekingAPolitic...

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/334913,Poland%E2%80%99s-ruling-conserv...

Law and Justice Party   ---  45% they were elected with 38% in 2015.

Civic Platform ---   17% 

anti-establishment Kukiz’15  --- 8 %

Modern Party --- 5%

 

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alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I remember denouncing nationalism on babble years ago. I warned that it's a cancer. For once I got it right on the money. This is why flags need to be BURNED not saluted or respected.

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Western MSM 'Shocked' At 60,000-Strong Nationalist March in Warsaw - But Are They Really?

https://on.rt.com/8sex