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SeekingAPolitic...

Please read the article and watch the clip associated.

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2018/06/power-china-rus...

WWWTT

Good thread!

This central Asian Summit is where the worlds real issues will be resolved!

Anyone really serious about how issues like Syria North Korea Iran India/Pakistan tension will be resolved should stop giving the US and the UN approaches any merit.

NDPP

Welcome to CGTN

https://www.cgtn.com

"Xi stresses unity at first SCO summit since expansion..."

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..it's all men. how can this possibly fix anything?

SCO

SeekingAPolitic...

I know SCO meeting was coming and will held at silimar time to G-7.  I been watching the meida tv for any reporting of the SCO apperantly is more important how deep decussion on who burned the white house in war of 1812.  Rather than talk about how the leaders 3 billion + people are displacing try reverse the power "Advanced Western Powers".  I reason I posed because I saw CBC reporter accutally spoke that maybe Putin is not isolated are after all.  They put up picture leaders of Russia China India holding hands of above there heads.  There is some more that needs to understood by general public and where is our place in the world.

WWWTT

Here's a link with some relevant info from the Indian perspective

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sco-summit-2018-pm-narendra-modi-xi-jinp...

"With 8 members, SCO represents approximately 42 per cent of the world's population, 22 per cent of the land area and 20 per cent of the GDP. SCO focuses on political, economic, security and cultural cooperation and enables India to engage with Central Asian countries," Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Raveesh Kumar tweeted this morning.

This summit is full of positive energy and optimism!!! Deals getting signed and solutions presented amended and acted upon!

WWWTT

epaulo13 wrote:

..it's all men. how can this possibly fix anything?

SCO

LOL! Do you feel more comfortable with the western corporate symbolic puppet leaders? When they choose a female puppet that is?

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..and here's what is going on in india. you can't separate this violence from what is going on at the summit.

Protesters in India Are Massacred as Environmentally Destructive Corporations Have Impunity

Police in India killed a dozen protesters in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, after 100 days of demonstrations against the mining corporation Sterlite. Journalist Kavitha Muralidharan tells TRNN’s Ben Norton how UK-based Indian parent company Vedanta Resources enjoys impunity, despite its role in environmental destruction, pollution, and violence like the Thoothukudi massacre

NDPP

epaulo13 wrote:

..it's all men. how can this possibly fix anything?

SCO

NDPP wrote:

 Thank goddess we live in such a lovely and enlightened settler-state led by a feminist PM and a feminist foreign policy too...

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

WWWTT wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

..it's all men. how can this possibly fix anything?

SCO

LOL! Do you feel more comfortable with the western corporate symbolic puppet leaders? When they choose a female puppet that is?

..no i don't. but that question is a distraction from my point.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

NDPP wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

..it's all men. how can this possibly fix anything?

SCO

NDPP wrote:

 Thank goddess we live in such a lovely and enlightened settler-state led by a feminist PM and a feminist foreign policy too...

..what a reactionary response.

NDPP

We agree...

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Women make up a mere 13% of the Russian Duma.  That's why NDPP scoffs at their legitimacy as well.

Or had better start to now.

WWWTT

Here's another link

https://www.firstpost.com/india/sco-summit-2018-india-not-mentioned-in-p...

There's a lot of relevant info coming out of this summit!

Such as India's huge opposition to China's one belt one road and India's desire to help development in Iran. I suspect the fact that Iran is at this summit in the waiting to be added as a full member and the news of the rest of the members inclusive approach to Iran must drive the US and Israel up the fuckin wall!

Iran is the main reason why western news isn't giving one of the best summits any coverage, among several other things

NDPP

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Women make up a mere 13% of the Russian Duma.  That's why NDPP scoffs at their legitimacy as well.

Or had better start to now.

NDPP wrote:

Mr Magoo is a formidable feminist too.

WWWTT

..no i don't. but that question is a distraction from my point.

Actually your point is the distraction from the reality. And that's all it ever was for the ruling corporations-a distraction.

Another point, you're imposing western standards on these nations, thats colonialism.

These nations will advance and progress in the directions that they choose. This is their right, not anyones in the west.

We in the west have to respect this.

You know what the zinger in your point is? You think these countries have things to learn from us, and we have NOTHING to learn from THEM! I call this white arrogance.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

WWWTT wrote:

..no i don't. but that question is a distraction from my point.

Actually your point is the distraction from the reality. And that's all it ever was for the ruling corporations-a distraction.

Another point, you're imposing western standards on these nations, thats colonialism.

These nations will advance and progress in the directions that they choose. This is their right, not anyones in the west.

We in the west have to respect this.

You know what the zinger in your point is? You think these countries have things to learn from us, and we have NOTHING to learn from THEM! I call this white arrogance.

..this is nothing of the kind. the summit is a geopolitical power move to counter us power. while those men pictured repress the populations in their respective countries. every bit as much as the g7 does.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..you want to report on this summit i have no objections. in fact i'm interested in the findings. what i will find disturbing is the lauding of it as something people actually need and want. 

SeekingAPolitic...

I remember reading a book called the grand chessboard, it was written by Carters security adviser.  2000 or 2001.  He talked about a stratery for American Primancy in the world.   "Who ever controls the heart land controls the world" that stayed with till now.  He condsidered the heart land most of asia middle east europe.  Also long one 1 poticial entity does not own the heartland the US will run the world.  As long as the US can split the political agenda of the nations of the heart land and let them fight each other than unite the US will be on top.  In the next post I will add Putin and Trump in this model.

WWWTT

..this is nothing of the kind. the summit is a geopolitical power move to counter the us power. while those men pictures repress the populations in their respective countries.

LOL!

Are you for real? You're either joking or completely ignorant? You pick which it is.

Check out the stats for Nicarauga, Namibia, Mozambique, Mexico, Cuba, Angola, South Africa.

The two countries with the highest female representation are not typical western nations! Bolivia and Rwanda. In fact, Canada and China have comparable stats!

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SG.GEN.PARL.ZS

WWWTT

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Women make up a mere 13% of the Russian Duma.  That's why NDPP scoffs at their legitimacy as well.

Or had better start to now.

Actually its 16%

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

WWWTT wrote:

..this is nothing of the kind. the summit is a geopolitical power move to counter the us power. while those men pictures repress the populations in their respective countries.

LOL!

Are you for real? You're either joking or completely ignorant? You pick which it is.

Check out the stats for Nicarauga, Namibia, Mozambique, Mexico, Cuba, Angola, South Africa.

The two countries with the highest female representation are not typical western nations! Bolivia and Rwanda. In fact, Canada and China have comparable stats!

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SG.GEN.PARL.ZS

 ..your misreading my post you quoted. your answering a different question.  

WWWTT

Ok here’s another simple link to get us into this very interesting summit 

http://www.ecns.cn/m/news/politics/2018-06-09/detail-ifyuyvzv3226660.shtml

WWWTT

Since the SCO is being held in Shanghai and it concludes on Sunday, we should find out by tomorrow afternoon what’s in the QingDao declaration. 

Cyber crime and drug trafficking are supposed to be on the agenda so perhaps the QingDao declaration will only focus on these two?

sorry it’s being held in QingDao not Shanghai lol! 

WWWTT

I hope one of the writers for rabble picks up on the importance of this summit and give it a positive spin to keep rabble in the forefront as a cutting edge alternate news source!

NDPP
SeekingAPolitic...

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

I remember reading a book called the grand chessboard, it was written by Carters security adviser.  2000 or 2001.  He talked about a stratery for American Primancy in the world.   "Who ever controls the heart land controls the world" that stayed with till now.  He condsidered the heart land most of asia middle east europe.  Also long one 1 poticial entity does not own the heartland the US will run the world.  As long as the US can split the political agenda of the nations of the heart land and let them fight each other than unite the US will be on top.  In the next post I will add Putin and Trump in this model.

The reason Trump and whoever put the idea of being reasonable with Putin is that us strageitic thinkers are desperate that Putin does throw his lot in China.  Every saction on Russia from the west is just mana for the sky for China.  The more you push on Russia the likely the are to get closer to China.  Chinesse are like salvating about Russia witch in the West.  If Russian make decison that future economic road will be with China.  Then a militarty alliance will soon pop up between the thse 2 countries. 

6079_Smith_W

WWWTT wrote:

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Women make up a mere 13% of the Russian Duma.  That's why NDPP scoffs at their legitimacy as well.

Or had better start to now.

Actually its 16%

Oh. Did someone else get shot?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/23/former-russian-mp-denis-vo...

And now that India is there I wonder if they are going to be talking about security in the South China Sea - China's warning India not to help Vietnam drill for oil in Vietnam's territorial waters, and not to sell arms to them.

https://qz.com/1061140/vietnam-is-the-east-asian-cornerstone-of-indias-c...

NDPP

How Singapore, Astana and St Petersburg Preview A New World Order

http://www.atimes.com/article/how-singapore-astana-and-st-petersburg-pre...

  By Pepe Escobar:

"Key economic forums in cities across Eurasia point the way to new power structures rising to challenge Western dominance. Ahead of the crucial Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Qingdao this coming weekend, three other recent events have offered clues on how this new world order is coming about..."

WWWTT

And now that India is there I wonder if they are going to be talking about security in the South China Sea - China's warning India not to help Vietnam drill for oil in Vietnam's territorial waters, and not to sell arms to them.

https://qz.com/1061140/vietnam-is-the-east-asian-cornerstone-of-indias-c...

Thanks for the link!

This shows that even though there are rivalries, there is still a summit for the participants to build on things they agree on.

China/India/Russia relations are unique. There really is no comparison among western nations.

WWWTT

OK folks as I promised, the QingDao declaration is now out ready to read. I have only glansed over too quickly to fully understand all the points. But so far I'm very very impressed with how these nations have come together to resolve their disputes and build on their mutual interest!

https://www.firstpost.com/india/scos-qingdao-declaration-india-refuses-t...

Rabble should really take this summit to heart and give it the coverage it deserves!

It's very refreshing to see the approach of the Shanghai cooperation organisation!

WWWTT

Sri Lanka, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Cambodia and Nepal are dialogue partners.

How awesome is that? When does anyone hear about Nepal or Cambodia involved in international political discussions as dialoge partners?

If you ever hear about these countries in the west, it would be natural to assume that somehow the US would be considering "military action" or "sanctions" or some other calamity to rectify.

NDPP

"What we're seeing is an erosion and perhaps a replacement of the US-led unilateral world order. What we're seeing emerge is a new geopolitical shift to a much more multi-polar approach..."

CrossTalk: Transatlantic Crisis?

https://youtu.be/t9GGQ6zi1c4

NDPP

Putin and Xi Top the G6 +1

http://www.atimes.com/article/putin-and-xi-top-the-g61/

"All hell broke loose at the G6+1, aka G7, while the China-led Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) aimed at global integration and a peaceful multipolar order..."

6079_Smith_W

Well if twitter wasn't banned in China it might be a different story. Things can be very peaceful if the consequences are being sent to a holiday camp or taking a dive out a window.

I expect their foreign minister won't be calling anyone out for "irresponsible questions" at that event.

 

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

Putin and Xi Top the G6 +1

http://www.atimes.com/article/putin-and-xi-top-the-g61/

"All hell broke loose at the G6+1, aka G7, while the China-led Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) aimed at global integration and a peaceful multipolar order..."

Good comparison between the colonial g7 and SCO!

I am yet to read anything significant coming out of the old boys colonialism club. 

Yet the SCO updated and supporting info is well worth the read and gives great insight into how Asia is developing!

WWWTT

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Well if twitter wasn't banned in China it might be a different story. Things can be very peaceful if the consequences are being sent to a holiday camp or taking a dive out a window.

I expect their foreign minister won't be calling anyone out for "irresponsible questions" at that event.

 

You sound bitter. 

6079_Smith_W

Well no, I'm not the one sitting in prison, but my point is if one meeting is going to be hailed as a success while the other is going to be summed up as "all hell broke loose" just because of Donald Trump we might want to consider those differences.

Wang Yi managed to make a stink of his own when he wasn't in a stage managed environment and actually had to take questions.

As for the G7, once the sociopath was out of the picture  other G7 leaders did manage to reach agreement on a number of issues and release a communique, after all.

So yes, it is good that other groups like SCO and ASEAN are meeting, but let's not let Donald Trump acting like  Donald Trump cloud our perception too much. It isn't like it wasn't expected.

 

 

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..this is what you accused me of.

WWWTT wrote:

Another point, you're imposing western standards on these nations, thats colonialism.

These nations will advance and progress in the directions that they choose. This is their right, not anyones in the west.

..by choosing your preferred oligarchic representative is this not you doing exactly what you accuse me of? an example. it only takes a few minutes of listening to arundhati roy to have a understanding of what is going on in india. the killing of people in the thousands over recent years in the implementation of neoliberalism. you are saying to them that because of some vague notion of peace that summit was amazing.

..nothing that took place at that summit will fix this. the summit was meant to protect the interests of the oligarchic only..against us interests. and not the populations from the brutality of those governments. this is not peace for the populations in fact this is war. how can you ignore this? why must you choose? and why aren't you on the side of the populations?

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..to be reduced to spectator or even cheerleader re trade controlled by the rich and powerful is an untenable position for this discussion board. multi polar-ism can not be the only defining factor to trade deals that fuck over populations all over the world. it is truly a failure our imagine if we can't find an alternative. an alternative that can be achieved through solidarity backed up by action.

NDPP

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

I remember reading a book called the grand chessboard, it was written by Carters security adviser.  2000 or 2001.  He talked about a stratery for American Primancy in the world.   "Who ever controls the heart land controls the world" that stayed with till now.  He condsidered the heart land most of asia middle east europe.  Also long one 1 poticial entity does not own the heartland the US will run the world.  As long as the US can split the political agenda of the nations of the heart land and let them fight each other than unite the US will be on top.  In the next post I will add Putin and Trump in this model.

NDPP wrote:

Since you mentioned Brzezinski's Great Game, you may find this geopolitical discussion by Engdahl of interest also:

F William Engdahl/Brzezinski's Ghost

https://youtu.be/FBVcWis8D3o

The Geopolitics of the Trump administration - China, Russia and Iran

WWWTT

epaulo13 wrote:

..this is what you accused me of.

WWWTT wrote:

Another point, you're imposing western standards on these nations, thats colonialism.

These nations will advance and progress in the directions that they choose. This is their right, not anyones in the west.

..by choosing your preferred oligarchic representative is this not you doing exactly what you accuse me of? an example. it only takes a few minutes of listening to arundhati roy to have a understanding of what is going on in india. the killing of people in the thousands over recent years in the implementation of neoliberalism. you are saying to them that because of some vague notion of peace that summit was amazing.

..nothing that took place at that summit will fix this. the summit was meant to protect the interests of the oligarchic only..against us interests. and not the populations from the brutality of those governments. this is not peace for the populations in fact this is war. how can you ignore this? why must you choose? and why aren't you on the side of the populations?

This summit was never intended to fix the internal issues that you are claiming that it should. The issues in India that you are speaking of are for the Indians to resolve.

Now cooperating with neighbouring countries, open dialouge to resolve disputes and supporting development will ease internal issues. But domestic is still mandated to be a seperate issue.

WWWTT

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Well no, I'm not the one sitting in prison, but my point is if one meeting is going to be hailed as a success while the other is going to be summed up as "all hell broke loose" just because of Donald Trump we might want to consider those differences.

Wang Yi managed to make a stink of his own when he wasn't in a stage managed environment and actually had to take questions.

As for the G7, once the sociopath was out of the picture  other G7 leaders did manage to reach agreement on a number of issues and release a communique, after all.

So yes, it is good that other groups like SCO and ASEAN are meeting, but let's not let Donald Trump acting like  Donald Trump cloud our perception too much. It isn't like it wasn't expected.

 

 

 

One of the obvious differences of who's sitting at the table, who's invited. There are many more.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

WWWTT wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

..this is what you accused me of.

WWWTT wrote:

Another point, you're imposing western standards on these nations, thats colonialism.

These nations will advance and progress in the directions that they choose. This is their right, not anyones in the west.

..by choosing your preferred oligarchic representative is this not you doing exactly what you accuse me of? an example. it only takes a few minutes of listening to arundhati roy to have a understanding of what is going on in india. the killing of people in the thousands over recent years in the implementation of neoliberalism. you are saying to them that because of some vague notion of peace that summit was amazing.

..nothing that took place at that summit will fix this. the summit was meant to protect the interests of the oligarchic only..against us interests. and not the populations from the brutality of those governments. this is not peace for the populations in fact this is war. how can you ignore this? why must you choose? and why aren't you on the side of the populations?

This summit was never intended to fix the internal issues that you are claiming that it should. The issues in India that you are speaking of are for the Indians to resolve.

Now cooperating with neighbouring countries, open dialouge to resolve disputes and supporting development will ease internal issues. But domestic is still mandated to be a seperate issue.

..what you see happening in india was an example and is happening on a global scale..so must be fought on a global scale. i think it is safe to say that most if not all of those countries involved at the summit repress their populations. and have no intention of easing up.

..i have a problem with trying to separate the issues. the issues are interrelated and reflect the interests of each country's oligarchic on an economic level. ie: doing whatever it takes to implement neoliberalism. your trying to show the difference between this summit and the g7 while i'm showing the similarities.

NDPP

A Tale of Two Summits  -  by Margaret Kimberley

https://blackagendareport.com/freedom-rider-tale-two-summits

"The outrage over Trump's bad behavior was magnified when he opined that Russia should be invited back to the group to form the G8 once again. There were howls of protest and shrieks about the evil Russians and their influence on Trump but the consternation was all for naught. Russia has made it clear that it has broken with the G7 and found a new suitor.

Putin and Xi arrived in Qingdao together on a high-speed train, something the Americans don't even have. The symbolism shouldn't be lost on anyone paying attention. The two countries form in Xi's words a strategic partnership. The partnership is intended to protect the two from American aggression, make money for them both and bypass the hegemony of the American dollar. 

The United States is not the center of the world. China is the center of the economic world and Russia is its intimate friend. But only determined wonks knew that the SCO meeting was taking place at all. The information blackout was nearly complete but the Belt and Road Initiative goes forward anyway..."

Sean in Ottawa

I think there is a great distinction between being an agent of Russia's interest and truly interested in engagement and a more representative global power structure. In this case both could lead to the same demand but as a part of the wider package, I don't think Trump's plan is an improvement.

Having a G8 - seperate from Brazil, China, India, Indonesia and others does not lead to a better world just by letting Russia in becuase they bought their US president. The very existence of a G - whatever is problematic. The correct forum would be an extension of the more inclusive UN. The G whatever is an attempt to sidestep any country in the way of these G-powers. Admission to Russia changes only the position of Russia but does not help with the terrible dynamic.

Sean in Ottawa

I would not call China the centre of the world either -- that is just another imperialistic view. We need to view the world as not having a political centre in that way. If there is to be hope for the world it has to become a cooperative. I see China not any more interested in that than any of the previous powers have been, as welcome as it is that they are at least not European.

WWWTT

@ everyone who has commented in this thread

Is China the center of the world? China is is providing a completely new perspective at how countries can inter react with each other. They are in the best position to make the most positive impact. And they’re doing it right now! 

In this sense, the Shanghai co op is the centre of the world! And you should embrace it!

 

Sean in Ottawa

WWWTT wrote:

@ everyone who has commented in this thread

Is China the center of the world? China is is providing a completely new perspective at how countries can inter react with each other. They are in the best position to make the most positive impact. And they’re doing it right now! 

In this sense, the Shanghai co op is the centre of the world! And you should embrace it!

 

I still disagree becuase the world needs more local and regional answers rather than centralization.

NDPP

Masters of the Universe (and vid)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49650.htm

An excellent May 13, 2018 interview with Pepe Escobar on Eurasian integration, the powershift from a wacko, disfunctional West in sclerotic decline to Eurasia, and a new multipolar world. Ready or not, here it comes...

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