So is this what you want one heartbeat away from the White House?

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martin dufresne

I see. Mustn't show anything like fear of the media, even in the face of a loaded question and despite the fact they have been trashing you for weeks... [img]cool.gif" border="0[/img]

Stargazer

I agree with Scott. The woman is a bleating idiot.

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Right. That's what she meant.

Did you watch the clip and see the deer-in-the-headlights look in her eyes as Couric pressured her on what should have been a simple question to answer?


She's no deer in the head lights. She's an anti-woman hate monger.

peskyfly1

It's just that she was searching her memory for a pre-approved scripted response. She didn't find one.

Polly B Polly B's picture

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Originally posted by Stargazer:
[b]She's no deer in the head lights. She's an anti-woman hate monger.[/b]

Yes!

martin dufresne

It sure seems like a thin line between clueless and Machiavellian... [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]

al-Qa'bong

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Did you watch the clip and see the deer-in-the-headlights look in her eyes as Couric pressured her on what should have been a simple question to answer?

I read the transcript, and thus had a hard time gauging any level of fear. Nevertheless, I can imagine how I'd look if someone asked me to [b]name one newspaper[/b] that I have read and I couldn't think of any, and I don't even have a journalism degree.

I don't know how Machiavellian one has to be to be a grasping, ambitious, untrustworthy politician, but it doesn't necessarily take any brains to have these qualities.

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500_Apples

I am very confused I wonder if someone has a good answer.

I am under the impression that:
1) Palin is doing very badly in her intevriews with Couric.
2) There have been several interviews with Couric and she keeps going back.
3) When campaign managers see something doesn't work, they try to prevent that something from reoccuring.

There is a contradiction in my beliefs above as they cannot all be true since Palin is going to Couric again and again and looking foolish imho again and again.

What's going on?

pogge

Did they do the whole series of interviews before the first one aired and was seen as an obvious trainwreck? Just a thought.

ETA:

Or has the campaign given up on the media and decided there's more to be gained by running [i]against[/i] the media (not a novel concept for the Republicans)? Just another thought.

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ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]I am very confused I wonder if someone has a good answer.

I am under the impression that:
1) Palin is doing very badly in her intevriews with Couric.
2) There have been several interviews with Couric and she keeps going back.
3) When campaign managers see something doesn't work, they try to prevent that something from reoccuring.

There is a contradiction in my beliefs above as they cannot all be true since Palin is going to Couric again and again and looking foolish imho again and again.

What's going on?[/b]


Most if not all are from one big interview that's been shown a bit at the time over the past week. I believe that the one that was with McCain in it was taped after the big one as an attempt by the campaign to counteract the big one because the problems with the first one.
Not sure how you can see the interviews as not being true? Are you thinking they're faked or something?

josh

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"Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced [sic] your whole comment with the Bush administration. Now doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future. You mentioned education and I'm glad you did. I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and god bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right? I say, too, with education, America needs to be putting a lot more focus on that and our schools have got to be really ramped up in terms of the funding that they are deserving. Teachers needed to be paid more. I come from a house full of school teachers. My grandma was, my dad who is in the audience today, he's a schoolteacher, had been for many years. My brother, who I think is the best schoolteacher in the year, and here's a shout-out to all those third graders at Gladys Wood Elementary School, you get extra credit for watching the debate.


[url=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/quote-for-t...

Plus, Palin's debate flow chart:

[url=http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/03/leaked_from_palins_debate_p...

josh

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My completely impressionistic take on Palin's performance tonight is that it mirrorred her campaign performance so far (if not quite as dramatically): When Palin started off, you thought, "Wow, she seems so fresh--so human and easy to relate to. How can we compete with that?" Then, as the debate wore on, you thought, "Hmm, okay, she still seems human, but not quite what I'm looking for in a vice president." And, by the end, as the vacuous answers piled up, it was more like, "Good God, keep this woman away from the Oval Office."


[url=http://tinyurl.com/4uhhj2]http://tinyurl.com/4uhhj2[/url]

Stargazer

The sad part of this? There seems to be a huge chunk of Americans who will vote for this vapid vessel of vermin because she says things like "doggonest" and "hockey mom". It's an extremely sad state of affairs that being dumb is considered a good thing and being bright, a bad thing.

Sexy Sarah is her nickname. Yep, I am not joking.

josh

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Two national polls of people who watched the U.S. vice-presidential debate and are uncommitted voters showed that more of them thought Democrat Joe Biden, not Republican Sarah Palin, turned in the best performance.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey found 51 per cent of those polled after Thursday night's debate in St. Louis, Mo., said the Delaware senator did the best job, while 36 per cent said the same about the Alaska governor.

. . . .

CBS News and Knowledge Networks conducted a cross-country poll of 473 uncommitted voters who watched the debate and found 46 per cent said Biden won the debate, compared to 21 per cent for Palin. Thirty-three per cent said it was a tie.


[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/usvotes/story/2008/10/03/us-debate-polls.html]ht...

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I just think it's a sad commentary on the state of the US electorate that some actually consider this nincompoop Sarah Palin to be a good candidate. But, then, they've been through the experience before, wth Dan Quale and George Bush. Maybe the US [i]is[/i] made up of nincompoops and idiots, as has been suspected by some.

remind remind's picture

Loved the comments responding to the commentary contained in the tiny url above.

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I wanted to throttle her every time she winked - as if she could force the beauty pageant days back in to the forefront.

This whole notion that she is charming leaves me cold. But then I have always thought that about Bush as well. I do not find winking phonies charming,

She's like so many women I grew up with in Calfornia - pretty, trained from a young age that that is what matters most, that flirting as manipulation and distraction can replace anything and allow you to fake your way through.

On "substance?" Um, I found it insulting as a woman and as an American that such a phony was even standing up there trying to shuck and jive and flirt her way to the highest office in the land of this beautiful and deeply distressed country. She hasn't the first clue what she is talking about. Gee, I'm touched that she wants tp prevent a second Holocaust, very deep of her.

...I greatly admire Elizabeth Dole, Kay Hutchinson, Condi Rice has had a second term that is greaty underestimated, I remain wild about Jeane Kirkpatrick and have always felt this way (not so much Whitman) although I agree very little with their politics. Hillary Clinton is many things, but empty and unqualified? Uh no. She could run the country with her eyes closed.

[b]These are woman of substance, expertise, wisdom and they should be the most insulted of all by this slap in the face.[/b]


josh

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Her relentless opacity was impressive. She refused to answer the questions where she hadn't been prepped with answers and when Biden pointed out that an early question had been on deregulation not taxes, she flashed: "I may not answer the questions the way you and the moderator want to hear, but I'm gonna talk straight to the American people."

Talk straight she didn't, with only a few exceptions. She talked talking points. And when the talking points concerned areas where she didn't know diddly, she didn't talk them very convincingly. Indeed, there were times I got the distinct impression that she didn't understand the points she was talking about (on the vice president's constitutional powers, for example).


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ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

You betcha, that was one of the best dogonnit debates I've evah seen and durn it the people that just don't understand what Joesix pack and jane soccermom are wanting hate the real America. Those questions? Yah ain't gonna tell us that they're important bunch of elitist gobbly gook and good on our gurl Sarah for smacking them down and doing it her way. Mavericks I tell yah and not only that a whole Team of Mavericks to take on those ole boys in Warshington. *wink* *wink* *wink* and for good measure *wink wink*

josh

That deserves a dern shout out, doggone it.

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

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Originally posted by josh:
[b]That deserves a dern shout out, doggone it.[/b]

Darn right is does, also!

Polunatic2

While I was watching the Canadian debate, I switched to the US debate and thought that I was watching Saturday Night Live which I'm going to have to try and watch this weekend for some comic relief.

Polly B Polly B's picture

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Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced [sic] your whole comment with the Bush administration. Now doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future.

Ha! When Sarah walked onstage and immediately shouted "can I call ya Joe?" I thought to myself, oh cripes she has a one-liner somewhere up her sleeve. Bleck.

jas

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To persist with a philosophy grounded in America’s separateness, rather than its connectedness,

(quote of [i]NYT's[/i] Roger Cohen)

I really like that statement. In just a few words, it sums up exactly what has gone so wrong with the U.S. I'm afraid Democrats fall into the same bad habit, though.

josh

Possibly the only thing worse than a Sarah Palin performance is some conservatives commentators debasing themselves in effusive praise of it. Calling it, defining competency down. Way down.

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There she was, resplendent in black, striding out like a power-walker, and greeting Joe Biden like an assertive salesman, first-naming him right off the bat.

. . . . Was this woman capable of completing an extemporaneous paragraph — a collection of sentences with subjects, verbs, objects and, if possible, an actual meaning? By the end of her opening answers, it was clear she would meet the test. . . .

It took her about 15 seconds to define her persona — the straight-talking mom from regular America — and it was immediately clear that the night would be filled with tales of soccer moms, hockey moms, Joe Sixpacks, main-streeters, “you betchas” and “darn rights.” Somewhere in heaven Norman Rockwell is smiling.


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I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.

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The whole debate was about Sarah Palin. She is not a person of thought but of action. Interviews are about thinking, about reflecting, marshaling data and integrating it into an answer. Debates are more active, more propelled—they are thrust and parry. They are for campaigners. She is a campaigner. Her syntax did not hold, but her magnetism did. At one point she literally winked at the nation.

. . . . This was classic "talk over the heads of the media straight to the people," and it is a long time since I've seen it done so well, though so transparently. There were moments when she seemed to be doing an infomercial pitch for charm in politics. But it was an effective infomercial.

. . . .

Sarah Palin saved John McCain again Thursday night. She is the political equivalent of cardiac paddles: Clear! Zap! We've got a beat! She will re-electrify the base. More than that, an hour and a half of talking to America will take her to a new level of stardom.


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ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

They have to. It's all they have right now. McCain has been slowly tanking to the point that several red states thought safe are now in play including to big ones, Florida and Ohio. Heck even NC and Virginia are tied and teetering.
He just pulled out of Michigan yesterday to redirect resources to other states. Though Palin was just on Fox criticizing that move.

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Sarah Palin criticized John McCain's decision to pull campaign resources out of Michigan in an interview with FOX News on Friday, saying she and her husband Todd would "be happy" to campaign in the economically distraught battleground state.

The Republican vice presidential nominee, on the heels of her debate with Joe Biden, also took a second stab at questions that seemed to trip her up during recent interviews, declaring that she looks "forward to speaking to the media more and more every day."

Palin said the decision to pull out of Michigan, which was announced Thursday, was "not a surprise" to her since polls show McCain slipping in the state.

But Palin said that when she read the news, she "fired off a quick e-mail and said, 'Oh come on, do we have to?'"


[url=http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/palin-disputes-michigan-pullout-...

This to me could mean a couple of things. She's just speaking her mind and isn't in tune with the actual strategy and she shouldn't have said that or it's just BS and the setup interview for them going back in, on Palin's call because she's showing such great leadership blah blah and is the spunky 'maverick' fighter that won't give up for the sake of America.

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/10/04/obama_gaining_cruc... Gaining Crucial Ground[/url]

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With 31 days until the election, Democrat Barack Obama's road to the White House is widening, and Republican John McCain's electoral path is narrowing.

The McCain campaign's decision this week to abandon Democratic-leaning Michigan is the most obvious and dramatic sign, a major tactical retreat that limits the ways he can reach the magic number of 270 electoral votes on Nov. 4.

But McCain is in as bad or worse shape in other battleground states. Barring a dramatic change, he is on course to lose Iowa and New Mexico, both states barely won by President Bush four years ago in his narrow victory over Democrat John F. Kerry. And he and the Republican National Committee this week began pouring money into Indiana and North Carolina, reliably Republican states where the Obama campaign has made strong advances and polls indicate the candidates are roughly tied.


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR200810... Campaign Plans Fiercer Strategy[/url]

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Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies are readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character, believing that to win in November they must shift the conversation back to questions about the Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal associations, several top Republicans said.

With just a month to go until Election Day, McCain's team has decided that its emphasis on the senator's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and straight-talking maverick is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama. The Arizonan's campaign is also eager to move the conversation away from the economy, an issue that strongly favors Obama and has helped him to a lead in many recent polls.

"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here," said the operative, who was not authorized to discuss strategy and spoke on the condition of anonymity.


Translation: Mean, ugly, dirty, slime, slime, slime and in case anyone hasn't noticed yet...He's black!

[url=http://www.pollster.com/]Composite Poll Site and Map[/url]

[url=http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/]Another composite poll site[/url]

Blairza

That CNN poll that had a majority for Biden to win also had a majority for her on likability. I am praying that Americans who feel burnt by their comfort with Bush will make the connection.

I also fond it weird that people refer to her as sexy. She's fit, straight featured and covered in make-up. Pretty, maybe but she snarls and sneers more than she smiles.

She reminds me so much of W.
I can't recall the author, but there was an article several years that pointed out that almost all of W.'s worst malapropisms came when he had to express feelings of compassion for others or his concern for social issues("is our children learning", "put food on your family"). When speaking about war or expressing his personal disdain he was always quite sure of himself and his syntax. Is it just me or did anyone else notice that Palin's most coherent paragraphs are only on the attack. When asked to describe McCain's actual plan or policy positions she rambles run-on
sentnces full of non-sequiters and slogans.

If elected HE will die.
And SHE is unqualified,
So Her Vice-President will be President, like Cheney. She should be asked who her VP will be if she is forced to finish McCain's term.

Michael Hardner

[url=http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/raising-the-white-flag-of-su... of Palin's Ronald Regan Quote[/url]

I thought this might be interesting to the Palin watchers here.

She got one of her quotes from this record:

[img]http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/reagan_coffee.jpg[/img]

remind remind's picture

Here is a link to the original story on text of Reagan's words that Palin used.

[url=http://www.larrydewitt.net/Essays/Reagan.htm]http://www.larrydewitt.net/...

Polly B Polly B's picture

Palin reminds me of those mindless cookie cutter women portrayed in the detergent and toilet paper commercials.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

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Millions of Americans envy the Palins and aspire to their Alaskan lives as their own personal dream of security. Their piece of the corporate rock, peddled by Wall Street, sank like a stone. [b]NYT writer, Timothy Egan, usually the smartest Alaska analyst, asked readers whether American voters could relate to an Alaska where, “Every home seems to have a freezer in the garage stuffed with moose meat and 10 pounds of alder-smoked chinook? Owning a small amount of marijuana is protected by the privacy clause of the Alaska constitution, the courts have ruled.” Are you kidding, Timothy? The answer is HELL, YES![/b] A place where you make great money on the North Slope, do some commercial fishing or gold mining like Todd Palin and have time to compete and win Iron Man cross country snow machine races? All of this and three thousand plus dollars each from Alaska, your yearly share in the oil wealth? How many folks would like to [url=http://www.walletpop.com/specials/lifestyles-of-2008-presidential-candid... like the Palins[/url] on Lake Lucille in the half million dollar house that Todd designed and built?

Sarah Palin is [b]selling the Alaskan dream as a remaining fragment of the American dream[/b], not her foreign policy or economic claptrap drawn from Republican handlers. If her husband spends time helping her at work, or if she confuses her personal internet with the one the state provided, well, she is still Citizen Palin not Professional Politician Palin, like Senators Obama, Biden or McCain with their legions of reliable staffers. [b]Her supporters understand and want to forgive her because she has the life they want. Level-headed Obama supporters need to develop a quick antidote to their own Valley Trash strategy.[/b] It’s not going to be Joe Biden, declared champion of the credit card industry and asset forfeiture for drug offenders. If people can’t relate to a United States Senator and his world, dumping on Sarah won’t rein them in. If James Carville thinks he can herd this crowd, the way he cowed progressives into voting for corporate candidates, instead of Ralph Nader, he has – once again - blown it for the Democrats.


[url=http://www.counterpunch.org/conn10012008.html]Steve Conn[/url] lived in Alaska from 1972 until 2007. He is a retired professor, University of Alaska.

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Doug

[url=http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-... Night Live got her number pretty good[/url]

I love the bit about climate change being a natural part of the end of days.

aka Mycroft

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Originally posted by Doug:
[b][url=http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-... Night Live got her number pretty good[/url]

I love the bit about climate change being a natural part of the end of days.[/b]


I liked the line about marriage being reserved for "unwilling teenagers". Ouch!

Doug

This made me laugh until I couldn't breathe!

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

[url=http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/pri... Believe Maverick-Rolling Stone[/url]

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This is the story of the real John McCain, the one who has been hiding in plain sight. It is the story of a man who has consistently put his own advancement above all else, a man willing to say and do anything to achieve his ultimate ambition: to become commander in chief, ascending to the one position that would finally enable him to outrank his four-star father and grandfather.

In its broad strokes, McCain's life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House. John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties. Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity. Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion. Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior. At each step, with the aid of their fathers' powerful friends, both failed upward. And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives' evangelical churches.

In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.

This, of course, is not the story McCain tells about himself. Few politicians have so actively, or successfully, crafted their own myth of greatness. In Mc- Cain's version of his life, he is a prodigal son who, steeled by his brutal internment in Vietnam, learned to put "country first." Remade by the Keating Five scandal that nearly wrecked his career, the story goes, McCain re-emerged as a "reformer" and a "maverick," righteously eschewing anything that "might even tangentially be construed as a less than proper use of my office."

It's a myth McCain has cultivated throughout his decades in Washington. But during the course of this year's campaign, the mask has slipped. "Let's face it," says Larry Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel who served as chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell. "John McCain made his reputation on the fact that he doesn't bend his principles for politics. That's just not true."


josh

Surprise! Palin clears herself in Troopergate.

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Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.



[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/WireStory?id=5990499&page=1]http://abcnew...

But,

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Ms. Palin has denied that anyone told Mr. Monegan to dismiss Trooper Wooten, or that the commissioner’s ouster had anything to do with him. But an examination of the case, based on interviews with Mr. Monegan and several top aides, indicates that, to a far greater degree than was previously known, the governor, her husband and her administration pressed the commissioner and his staff to get Trooper Wooten off the force, though without directly ordering it.

In all, the commissioner and his aides were contacted about Trooper Wooten three dozen times over 19 months by the governor, her husband and seven administration officials, interviews and documents show.

“To all of us, it was a campaign to get rid of him as a trooper and, at the very least, to smear the guy and give him a desk job somewhere,” said Kim Peterson, Mr. Monegan’s special assistant, who like several other aides spoke publicly about the matter for the first time.


[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin]...

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

The 'blogger' that is blamed for the entire thing responds...
[url=http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_blogger_on_the_grassy_knoll]The Blogger on the Grassy Knoll[/url]

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After months of hiding from the truth, I'll finally admit it; I was the blogger on the grassy knoll.

I am to blame for the entire Troopergate scandal and the ensuing investigation into if Governor Sarah Palin abused the power of her office by firing former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan because he wouldn't fire her ex brother in law, State Trooper Mike Wooten.

Me, me, me. The blog stops with me.

I am responsible for Governor Palin's husband Todd's weird obsession with his former brother in law State Trooper Mike Wooten, where he admitted in a deposition this week that he has spent years trying to get Wooten fired.

I am responsible for the "over two dozen phone calls" Governor Palin admitted her staff made to the Department of Public Safety to inquire about the status of her former brother in law.

I am responsible for the recorded phone call where Palin's right hand man Frank Bailey is pressuring another State Trooper that Wooten needs to be fired, even though he hadn't been able to convince anyone else in authority.

"Mike Tibbles (Palin's former Chief of Staff) disagrees with me, Audie Holloway(a State Trooper Lt. Col.) probably disagrees with me and Walt does (Commissioner Walt Monegan)" Bailey said in the recorded phone call released by Governor Palin on August 13.

I totally put him up to it even though he said he got the confidential information he shared in the call from Todd Palin.

Also in that same phone call Bailey said, "She (Palin) really likes Walt a lot, but on this issue she feels like it’s, she doesn’t know why there’s absolutely no action for a year … it’s very troubling to her and the family. I can definitely relay that.”

So according to Bailey, the governor "really" liked Monegan's performance, but just not his performance in responding to her wishes to see Wooten out of a job. This was on February 29, 2008...and then four months later Monegan is fired?

I admit, this is all my handy work.


al-Qa'bong

This might be what it takes to pull voters to the Republicans' side:

[url=http://meaningfuldistractions.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/news_hustler_pali... PAYLIN: HUSTLER’S TAKE ON RUSSIA ENTERING THROUGH SARAH’S BACK DOOR[/url]

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This is gross, but also pretty savvy of Larry Flynt. He is shooting a porn called “Nailin’ Paylin,” which will involve a look alike “nailing the Russians who come knocking on her back-door.”

In a flashback scene, “young Paylin’s creationist college professor will explain a ‘big bang’ theory even she can’t deny!” reports TMZ.

To top it off, there will be a threeway with Hillary and Condoleezza look-alikes.

Radar got its hands on a portion of the script which involves Joe Sixpack and a tanning bed.


Michelle

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081023.COWENT23/TPSto...'s not very often that I agree with Margaret Wente...[/url]

But she really nails the sexism of Conservative supporters of Palin, and she's right that Palin will be their downfall.

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Can you imagine any man being vetted in such a way? Can you imagine any serious person gushing over any male candidate in those terms? I thought not.

But now, cosmic justice has been done. The Palin bounce has turned into a lead balloon. This comes as a relief to those of us who were accused of mad, cattish jealousy for being horrified. Fifty-five per cent of voters now think Ms. Palin isn't qualified to be president. Her lack of qualifications is their top concern about Mr. McCain's candidacy - ahead of the economy, Iraq and everything else. Her negatives are strongest among women under 50 - the very people she was supposed to attract. Newspapers that have endorsed Republicans for 40 years are stampeding to endorse Barack Obama. Their main reason? Sarah Palin.


[ 25 October 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]

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Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

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Palin resisted the suggestion that if Ayers was a "domestic terrorist" -- a standard line in her campaign addresses -- then so were conservative religious activists who bombed abortion clinics.

"I don't know if you're going to use the word 'terrorist' there," she said.


[url=http://www.alternet.org/election08/104590/palin%3A_%27i_don%27t_know%27_...

martin dufresne

"(Palin's) lack of qualifications is their top concern about Mr. McCain's candidacy - ahead of the economy, Iraq and everything else.(...)"

I find this very scary.

Convenient as it may be for some, the current "Nailin' Palin" sexist hatefest (it's Palin this time, tomorrow it will be another woman) is bad news for women of any political stripe. (Not to mention leftist men, who seem a lost cause on gender issues.)

But it is also obscuring real issues of racism in this election if McCain's main weakness is deemed to be having chosen Palin, if we are so busy gnawing at an "easy" bone thrown to us that our sexism keeps us too busy to address their racism.

Here is a nifty summary that was relayed to the Parleuses distribution list:

[b]*Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin What if things were switched around?..... Think about it. Would the country's collective point of view be different? Could racism be the culprit? Ponder the following: What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter? What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class? What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee? What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards? What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married? What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only beca/me addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.) What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker? What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter? What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes? What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem? What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution? What if the Obamas had adopted a white child. You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.[/b]

Educational Background:
Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Joseph Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs. John McCain: United States Naval Academy -
Class rank: 894 of 899
Sarah Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism

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oldgoat

[url=http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/palin_1.php]This is a pretty depressing scenario from The Atlantic.[/url]

Sad thing is, it's all too plausable.

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Palin In 2012: The Argument
23 Oct 2008 09:37 am

There's a suspicion in some McCain loyalist precincts that Gov. Sarah Palin is beginning to play the Republican base against John McCain -- McCain won't let her campaign in Michigan...McCain won't let her bring up Jeremiah Wright... McCain doesn't like her terrorist pal talks....

Think ahead to 2010...2011...2012.

Palin is ambitious. Very ambitious.

And if she wants the job, she's easily the frontrunner to become THE voice of the angry Right in the Wilderness. She is a favorite of talk radio and Fox News conservatives, and speaks their language as only a true member of the club can. (Her recent Limbaugh interview was full of dog whistles that any Dittohead would recognize. Including her actual use of the word ditto.)


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Palin will have plenty of time to become fluent on national issues. She will easily benefit from the low expectations threshhold, and will probably even garner positive reviews from the MSM types who disparage her today.

Palin will be judged to be "ready" in four years. George Will and David Brooks and Peggy Noonan will all swoon over her once more. Ok, maybe not George Will.

Palin is an enormously talented politician. When she knows what she's talking about, or even when she knows enough to fake it, she is very, very appealing, and very good at redirecting questions to whatever her message is.


She'll have time to actually learn what all those big words she's been hearing really mean, and read W's well thumbed copy of "The Presidency For Idiots". She'll be the darling of the right wing talk show circiut.

The Rebublican ultra right never totally bought into McCain, but they play the long game, and see someone perfectly malleablle to meet their ends for 2012. *shudder*

martin dufresne

Nice double bind there. Either Palin is a "nincompoop" or she is a Machiavellian back-stabber. Take you pick, folks, we've got plenty of mutually exclusive "critiques".

Michelle

I don't believe in binaries. She can be both.

abnormal

oldgoat, the attitude you alude to is understandable. For those who believe that an Obama win is inevitable and that the Dems will screw up badly it's to their benefit to have the Dems win a majority in the House and Senate as well as the Presidency. That way there will be no claiming "We would have done wonderful things if the Republicans let us" and it will be easy to say "We told you so" and it will be Palin against whoever. And she may well win.

martin dufresne

Michelle: "I don't believe in binaries. She can be both."
Even a "nincompoop" (Boom Boom) AND an "enormously talented politician" (The Atlantic)? Come ON!

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She can be both, I concur with Michelle, just as Reagan was fluff and stuff, he was a talented politician. He knew how to portray an image that was bought by the consuming public and he played to his B movie fan base, to get the top spot.

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Originally posted by martin dufresne:
[b]Michelle: "I don't believe in binaries. She can be both."
Even a "nincompoop" (Boom Boom) AND an "enormously talented politician" (The Atlantic)? Come ON![/b]

The lack "Palin sexism watch" thread is notable by its absence. I remember I was taken to task for defending Condoleeza Rice from one of Olbermann's outrageously patronizing (and factually wrong) attack upon her intellectual credentials, which are by all standards of the same caliber, at least on paper, as Barack Obama, apparently simply because she was on the wrong side.

Olbermann's falsehoods could stand, I guess, as long as they served the right cause.

The thing about these "little woman" tropes that dismiss women by degrading their intelligence, is that they are pretty intangible, and the sexism lurks in the pervasiness of the discourse in relationship to women, not the specific criticism, which may in and of itself seem fine, on the surface.

Palin's detractors seem to be wavering between the "idiot housewife" attack and the "coniving manupulator" trope in the main.

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]She can be both, I concur with Michelle, just as Reagan was fluff and stuff, he was a talented politician. He knew how to portray an image that was bought by the consuming public and he played to his B movie fan base, to get the top spot.[/b]

I concur as well though I think it depends on the actual definition of 'nincompoop.' If it's just a comment equal to generally 'stupid' or 'dumb' overall then I would agree with Martin that you can't really have both.

If it's more related to a comment on general knowledge, like facts and policy or education as in 'book learning' then yeah one can be both. Knowing how to manipulate or use people, to get ahead and use what you might be strong in, like charm and charisma are separate skills. It's like the difference between IQ and EQ as measurements of 'intelligence.'

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