Syria #6
continued from #5:
http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/syria-5
Comments
Hi Bec,
Yeah but at least I knew early on from Press that most of the dead at Houla were shot at close range while you were still lost in artillery scenarios...caw 
I try and read everything I can find but Press and RT are usually a good place to start. Throw in a quick look at the Beeb or NYT and you should be good to go...start your search for more. And I think that Tarpley's pretty good on Syria as well. Of course it's a conspiracy. What the hell else would it be?
Hi Bec,
Yeah but at least I knew early on from Press that most of the dead at Houla were shot at close range while you were still lost in artillery scenarios...caw
I wouldnt get too cocky. Most of what you reprint is speculative, with no first person accounts and precious little journalism. What you reprint (it's not like you do any research yourself, at all) is usually so poorly written it undermines, rather than bolsters, the anti-imperia;list narrative.
Bec if they were reporting that these children had died from shelling I would be happy to agree that the Syrian military is a likely cause. The idea that government troops are going to slit the throats of children is drivel. Press TV is definitely a propaganda outlet but then its hard to find MSM outlets in the West that are not shilling for NATO and demanding that it flex its, Western taxpayer funded, muscles.
The US has B-52s that can carpet bomb hundreds of square miles of land at a time; the idea that their soldiers would walk into Mai Lei and kill infants and the elderly is just silly.
Can't please all the people all the time howierd. So why not put your money where your mouth is and post some of your own favourites
Who are you reaching, dude? 80% of the posts on your threads are by you, posting worthless 'journalism' from the same three sites over and over and over again.
No one reads these threads.
US Ready to Act on Syria Outside UN? (and vid)
http://www.rt.com/news/us-sanctions-syria-un-649/
"The US has hinted at taking actions against the Syrian regime bypassing the authority of the UN Security Council. This comes as pressure is piling up on Damascus following the massacre in Houla that claimed over 100 lives. Susan Rice's comments became a disturbing reminder of what happened in 1999 when the US and NATO intervened in the former Yugoslavia without a UN Security Council mandate.."
Engineering Consent for An Attack on Syria: Syria Houla Massacre - Divide and Conquer - (and vid) - by Syrian Girl
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31450.htm
"The mainstream media is blaming the Houla massacre on the Syrian military. However facts on the ground do not match these statements. The massacres in Syria are purposeful, to fuel a civil war in my country and pave the way for foreign intervention.."
kropotkin1951 wrote:Bec if they were reporting that these children had died from shelling I would be happy to agree that the Syrian military is a likely cause. The idea that government troops are going to slit the throats of children is drivel. Press TV is definitely a propaganda outlet but then its hard to find MSM outlets in the West that are not shilling for NATO and demanding that it flex its, Western taxpayer funded, muscles.
The US has B-52s that can carpet bomb hundreds of square miles of land at a time; the idea that their soldiers would walk into Mai Lei and kill infants and the elderly is just silly.
The idea that the US troops would go into Des Moines and kill infants and the elderly is indeed absurd, as it is in Syria. The culprits like at Mai Lei are almost certainly to be murderous foreigners trying to impose their will in someone else's country.
Expulsion From Canada 'Unfair' Syrian Diplomat Says (and vid)
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120529/canada-syrian-diplomats-12...
"One of the Syrian diplomats expelled today from Canada by Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird calls the decision 'unfair' and 'biased'. 'I think it's unfair and even the Canadian government's position on the crisis in Syria was unfair from the beginning,' Bashar Akbik told Fife. 'They always gave us a deaf ear when we tried to give the government an idea of what was happening to our country.' He said that the Canadian position was 'biased and I'm sorry for that."
Damascus Finds Armed Groups Responsible for Houla Massacre, US Does Not Believe (and vids)
http://www.rt.com/news/syria-report-massacre-houla-718/
"...Lawrence Freeman from Executive Review Magazine says 'we are right on the verge of another responsibility to protect type intervention for regime change in Syria...The point is not what they are trying to do in Libya or Syria - there are certain global empire forces that are playing a global game. And the global game is to force countries around the world to submit to their intimidations and to give up their sovereignty."
The Houla Massacre (and vid)
http://www.voltairenet.org/THE-HOULA-MASSACRE-Opposition
"Opposition terrorists killed families loyal to the government.."
In Syria - NATO Death Squads Driving NATO's 'Feared' Civil War (and vid)
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/06/in-syria-nato-death-squads-driv...
"Syria finds 800 man death squad guilty of Houla massacre. Putin warns of extreme danger while Hollande drifts towards warmonger camp..Webster Tarpley interviewed.
Save Syria: Demand End to Supporting Sectarian Terrorists - by Tony Cartalucci
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/06/save-syria-demand-end-to-suppor...
"US, Israel and Saudi Arabia have plotted bloodbath for years. It is clear what must be done to avert a repeat of a Libyan style genocidal catastrophe and save Syria. The support for sectarian terrorists by the West must end." See timeline
This includes Canada who is a member of the US backed pro-terrorist faction called 'Friends of Syria
US Steps Up Pressure for Intervention in Syria - by Patrick Martin
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j01.shtml
"Top US officials are stepping up pressure for an imperialist intervention in Syria, whose goal would be the overthrow of President Bashar al Assad and the installation of a Quisling government to do the bidding of Washington and its European allies..."
'US Wants Chaos Within Islamic World' (and vid)
William Engdahl on Western Agenda for Syria
US Insists on Assad's Overthrow
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/03/244493/us-insists-assad-overthrow/
"The United States says any political solution in Syria should result in the overthrow of Syrian President Bashar al Assad. 'Assad's departure does not have to be a precondition, but it should be an outcome of any political solution,' - Hilary Clinton
Hague Talks of 'Greater Than Libya' Military Intervention in Syria
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/03/244396/military-intervention/
"British Foreign Secretary William Hague says military intervention in Syria would have to take place on a much larger scale than the operations in Libya..."
Bomb Assad's Palaces and Army Barracks - Haroon Siddiqui
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopnion/article/1204739--bomb-ass...
"...it's time to invoke the Canadian/UN principle of R2P, responsibility to [Plunder] protect civilians from being massacred by their own rulers. Assad needs to be given a short deadline that he must leave with his family to a pre-arranged exile or face the bombing of his palaces and that of his crones, as well as air defences and the barracks of his army or militias. The best way to avoid a civil war in Syria is to end the Assad regime."
all the usual blood-hounds seem to be baying for war
Syria's Foreign Ministry says Damascus is expelling Western diplomats.
Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdessi said Tuesday the list of diplomats includes the ambassadors of the United States, Britain, Turkey, France and others. Some have already left the country because of the violent uprising.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/05/syria-expels-western-diplo...
'Houla Massacre Entails Tsunami of Lies Against Syrian Government (and vid)
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/05/244687/houla-carnage-mired-in-tsuna...
"The Houla massacre has created such an 'enormous tsunami of lies' against the Syrian government, making it difficult to discern the truth from the lies surrounding the incident, says an analyst. Press TV interviews Sign of the Times Sott.net, Niall Bradley , Dr Kevin Barrett and political analyst Jihad Mouracadeh.."
US Post-Assad Syria Plan: Intervention in the Cards?
http://www.rt.com/news/assad-power-transition-clinton-241/
"As the violence in Syria worsens, Washington has been ramping up threats to intervene without UN approval in the absence of international consensus. Now, as reports of a new massacre emerge from Syria, State Secretary Hillary Clinton has announced a new transition plan that would remove Assad from power completely, possibly signaling the US is ready to go it alone.."
US & UN Openly Waging War on Syria - by Tony Cartalucci
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/us-un-openly-waging-war-on-s...
"As with atrocities committed with impeccable timing to be paraded out before the world on the eve of pivotal UN meetings, little more than 'activist' hearsay is used to condemn the Syrian govenrment to more foreign pressure and edge it ever closer to a US engineered sectarian war planned as early as 2007. Kofi Annan as well, after posing as 'peacemaker' for months, finally dropped all pretenses and credibility to 'blame' the Syrian government for the failure of his plan - a deceitful ploy from the very beginning..."
Syrian Rebels Tried to Kill UK Journalists, Afghans in Syria
http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2012/06/syrian-rebels-plots-to-kill-journal...
"Channel 4 News chief correspondent Alex Thomson says anti-Assad Syrian rebels plotted to kill him and his crew when they were in Syria. He says that he and his crew were deliberately led by the rebels into an area where they would be killed. He said: 'I'm quite clear the rebels deliberately set us up to be shot..Dead journos are bad for Damascus.."
'Humanitarian Intervention' in Syria - Towards Regional War? (and vid)
http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/06/humanitarian-intervention-syria-towa...
"As the Syrian crisis enters its 16th month - the recent massacres in Houla and Hama have revived calls for foreign intervention and the toppling of President Bashar al Assad. US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice has recently hinted that the US would soon take action outside of the Annan plan and the authority of the UN if the persistent violence in Syria continued unabated. Nile Bowie, Michel Chossudovsky"
Iran: Syrian Intervention 'Will Be Defeated'
http://www.rt.com/news/iran-syria-resistance-intervention-441/
"Iran is ready to mount a resistance against a possible outside attack on Syria, two senior generals of the Islamic Republic said. The statements came as the level of violence in war-torn Syria continues to escalate. The pro-Assad 'resistance' would ensure that aggressors do not survive the conflict, a senior commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Brigadier General Massoud Jazaeri told Mashregh, a media outlet run by the Guards..."
Syrian Crisis, Imperialist Agenda Against Mideast: Analyst (and vid)
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/09/245332/syria-unrest-imperialist-age...
"It is an agenda for replacement of governments that are not acceptable to American imperialism,' said political analyst commentator Ralph Schoenman in a Friday interview, alluding to the Syrian crisis. 'It is not only in SYria this project...it is intended for Iran. It was implemented in Libya, it is the nature of imperial intervention in the region. That is the underlying reality here; every day confirms it,' he added."
More Western Journalists Blame Rebels for Syrian Violence
http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2012/06/more-western-journalists-blame-rebe...
"Peter Hitchens has been contacted by a group of Western women who live in Syria and who believe that we are being lied to about Syria. Peter Hitchens believes it is 'vital that people resist attempts to drag us into Syria, too, by feeding us one sided atrocity propaganda. Peter Hitchens remins us that Libya, rescured by us a few months ago, is now a failed state whose main international airport was recently taken over by gangsters, and where unjustly arrested prisoners are starved and tortured in secret dungeons.
According to one of Hitchens informants from Syria. 'These protesters are not peaceful, flower-carrying people wanting freedom. No, they are weapon-toting killers who snipe, who ambush, who fire upon the army with the sole purpose of inciting riot and mayhem.' The informants say many of these 'activists' are foreigners.."
These are the ones Canada and the other 'friends of Syria' support.
Eyewitness account: Media lies about Syria Interview Smoke from burning tires, tourists from Chechnya, Libya and Romania, and Afghans who thought they were in Israel.
Canada Condemns Syrian Massacres - Again
http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/09/canada-condemns-syrian-massacres--again
"..With dozens more Syrian civilians killed Saturday as dictator Bashar al Assad tries to crush dissent, Canada has again denounced the regime in Damascus. 'Canada condemns in the strongest terms the recent reports of the killing of innocent civilians, including women and children, by the Assad regime,'said Rick Roth, spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird.."
Israeli President Supports Armed Groups in Syria
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/10/245450/peres-backs-armed-groups-in-...
"Israeli President Shimon Peres has put his weight behind armed groups in Syria despite Damascus efforts to bring calm to the crisis-hit country. Peres said in an interview with Israeli public radio on Sunday that he respected the armed gangs who 'expose themselves to live fire and I hope that they will win.."
US Military Lobbies for War with Syria - by Chris Marsden
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j09.shtml
"Once again, Dempsey utilised an alleged massacre as a platform for his warmongering - joining a Republican lobby led by Senator John McCain and Sentor Joe Lieberman, a former Democrat, urging the direct arming of the Syrian opposition and US air support.."
US Creates Tensions in Middle East to Boost Israel Security (and vid)
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/10/245506/israel-security-high-on-west...
"Western powers, especially the US, foment tensions in the Middle East to keep down all the countries in the region and guarantee Israel's security, an analyst tells Press TV. Discussion with experts Stephen Lendman, Omar Nashabe, Haitham Alsibahie.."
Echoes of Massacre: Europe Talks of Syria Intervention
http://rt.com/news/massacre-syria-intervention-europe-544/
"It is not possible to allow Bashar-al Assad's regime to massacre its own people,' Reuters quoted Hollande as saying. 'I want what happened in Libya to be perceived as proof that foreign intervention is possible in Syria. Homs today is Benghazi yesterday,' he said."
NATO's Death Squads Responsible for Houla Massacre: Analyst (and vid)
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/05/30/243821/nato-death-squads-syria-houl...
"A prominent political analyst says that NATO-backed armed gangs have been behind the recent killings of civilians in the Syrian town of Houla. Press TV has conducted an interview with Dr Webster Tarpley to further discuss the issue.."
Good job PressTV, that's some prominent political analyst you got there. Got anything with a little less conspracy on it?
Hey FOX-fans here's more:
The Imperialists and the Jihadis: The Evil Alliance Against Syria - by Glen Ford
http://blackagendareport.com/content/imperialists-and-jihadis-evil-allia...
"Ameicans are now programmed to lust for Syrian blood, just as they looked for Libyan blood, Afghan blood - whatever the demonized blood-of-the-day. It's easy for such voracious consumers of gore to project blood lust on others, even when, as with the Syrian regime, there is no motive for the crime.
'It makes absolutely no sense for the Syrian regime to allow the slitting of children's throats while UN observers are stationed throughout the country.' The modus operandi ond motive for the crime point to al Qaida and other jihadis - and their various US, [Canadian], European and rich Arab backers.."
Bec if they were reporting that these children had died from shelling I would be happy to agree that the Syrian military is a likely cause. The idea that government troops are going to slit the throats of children is drivel. Press TV is definitely a propaganda outlet but then its hard to find MSM outlets in the West that are not shilling for NATO and demanding that it flex its, Western taxpayer funded, muscles.
Death Squad Coordinator Robert Ford Keynotes Amnesty International Annual Meeting
http://anti-imperialism.com/2012/03/31/death-squad-coordinator-robert-fo...
"The former US Ambassador to Syria, Robert S Ford, presented part of the keynote address during the 2012 Amnesty International Annual General Meeting, held in Denver Colorado between March 30th and April 1st. While AI made sure to keep the appearance of Ford under wraps from the public, it was mentioned by supporting media prior to the event.
Between 2004 and 2006 Ford worked closely under US Ambassador John Negroponte at the US embassy in Baghdad. During his previous tenure as ambassador to Honduras, Negroponte devised and implemented the policy of funding and training death squads to combat leftist insurgencies in the region. In Iraq, Negroponte charged Ford with a similar task: funding and training militias to carry out sectarian violence aimed at a largely Sunni resistance.
In late January of 2011, during the same time that the first protests in the country occurred, Ford arrived in Syria to serve as the newly appointed ambassador. Since violence has wracked the country, Ford has been accused of recruiting and aiming foreign fighters from the region to destabilize and possibly overthrow the Syrian government.
Amnesty International uses its supposed legitimacy to build public support for regime change in various Third World countries to the inevitable effect of promoting a neo-liberal imperialist agenda. In this regard, Amnesty International is part of the 'left wing of imperialism'...
I agree with that assessment; the more I read up on it and more information is starting to come in the less it looks like artillery played a major role in the massacre (which is different from the original stores we were told).
I also agree it was not regular soldiers or fighters from neither side that did this... This was the job of a unique force of individuals. It would be naive to think both sides don't possess such people and it's still hard to say who did it as both sides media machines are going full bore to blame the other side.
I have no problum with that. As I've said before I can't stand the way the majority of western media is covering this event. That still doesn't mean I'm going to accept the PressTV version just because "they are different"... I think they are both full of shit.
I do not support any intervention in Syria, nor do I support or trust the FSA. Removing the current regime, no matter how brutal it is, would be a big mistake. But then I'm not running the show so I get to watch as this goat fuck unfolds from the peanut gallery like everyone else.