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The Trump administration 3

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NDPP

Is Trump Really President?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46992.htm

"Is Trump being allowed to 'play at President' for public consumption, while the generals, spooks and financial pirates rund the show...?"

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

You mean like Regan and Bush the Lesser?

voice of the damned

kropotkin1951 wrote:

You mean like Regan and Bush the Lesser?

A difference would be that with Reagan(to take just one of your examples), while he may have been disengaged from the everyday process of governing, the policies put in place under his watch were pretty much the ones that he had promised to implement. Sure, he probably didn't have much idea about how the contras(for example) were being funded, but he knew that he wanted them funded, and said so, and as a result, they got funded. 

Whereas Trump says stuff like "I want to break up the big banks", when it's pretty obvious that not only is he not going to be personally involved in such a process, no one in his administration is even going to begin to consider implementing the policy. For all the impact that such statements have, they might as well just have been uttered by a babbling drunk on the street corner somewhere, rather than by the POTUS.  

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Well, votd, I think that the biggest difference between Reagan and Trump is that Reagan actually believed most of what he said, whereas Trump is a compulsive liar whose entire career has been based on fraud of one sort or another. It isn't that Trump lacks the power to implement his promises, it is that he never had any intention of doing so.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I remember Regan and I remember a man who looked like he was suffering from some type of dementia in his second term. I do not subscribe to the idea that he was a truth teller he was a McCarthyite who lied about his fellow screen actors and helped destroy many careers. Prior to being President he was a master of spin especially in his time as Governor. 

Reagan was first elected to the Board of Directors of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) in 1941, serving as an alternate member. After World War II, he resumed service and became third vice-president in 1946.[40] The adoption of conflict-of-interest bylaws in 1947 led the SAG president and six board members to resign; Reagan was nominated in a special election for the position of president and was subsequently elected.[40] He was chosen by the membership to serve seven additional one-year terms, from 1947 to 1952 and in 1959.[40] Reagan led the SAG through eventful years that were marked by labor-management disputes, the Taft–Hartley Act, the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) hearings and the Hollywood blacklist era.[40]

Secret FBI informant in Hollywood

During the late 1940s, Reagan and his then-wife, Jane Wyman, provided the FBI with names of actors within the motion picture industry whom they believed to be communist sympathizers. Though he expressed reservations, he said, "Do they expect us to constitute ourselves as a little FBI of our own and determine just who is a Commie and who isn't?"[41]

Reagan testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee on the subject as well.[42] A fervent anti-communist, he reaffirmed his commitment to democratic principles, stating, "I never as a citizen want to see our country become urged, by either fear or resentment of this group, that we ever compromise with any of our democratic principles through that fear or resentment."[42]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan#SAG_presidency

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I didn't say he was a good guy and I'm perfectly aware that he was a nasty, cowardly informer. But I remember him giving those tv talks back in the 50s on behalf of General Electric, or some other mega-corp. He was a fool, but I think he actually believed most of the bullshit he campaigned on, at least before the dementia set in.

NDPP

Top Democrat 'Has Seen No Evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion' (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/8aub

"Referring to a briefing Feinstein attended at the CIA headquarters in Langley on the alleged Russia meddling on Tuesday, host Wolf Blitzer asked:

'Do you have evidence that there was in fact collusion between Trump associates and Russia during the campaign?'

'Not at this time,' Feinstein replied.

"Well, that's a pretty precise answer,' Blitzer said, quickly bringing the interview to an end."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Is Trump Really President?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46992.htm

"Is Trump being allowed to 'play at President' for public consumption, while the generals, spooks and financial pirates rund the show...?"

That's what he said he was going to do last year, when he offered the VP psot to John Kasich.

NorthReport

Barack Obama 'personally warned Donald Trump not to hire Michael Flynn'

Former Attorney General Sally Yates is also expected to testify on her warnings about the former national security adviser

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/obama-trump...

NorthReport

Sally Yates warned White House Michael Flynn could be blackmailed by Russia weeks before he was fired

'To state the obvious, you don't want your national security adviser compromised by the Russians,' Ms Yates says

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sally-yates-trump-russi...

NDPP

Turning Gen Flynn Into Road Kill

https://t.co/yX4bNiG7Cd

"Although no actual evidence was presented, two ex-Obama administration officials destroyed the reputation of retired Lt Gen Michael Flynn, portraying him as a liar and potential traitor, reports Robert Parry."

josh

Trump fires Comey.

NDPP

New Conflict of Interest Uncovered For Trump's Son-In-Law Jared Kushner (and vid)

https://therealnews.com/t2/story:19029:New-Conflict-of-Interest-Uncovere...

"A major backer of the Kushner family's real estate empire, is the nephew of an Israeli billionaire, who's now under investigation in the US, and other countries for corruption..."

No problem. Just as long as he's not Russian.

josh
josh

Trump claims credit for inventing an 80 year old term.

https://twitter.com/OliviaMesser/status/862626327136002049

NDPP

Media Claim Trump Revealed Classified Information to Russian Visitors

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/05/16/russ-m16.html

"A sensationalized report published on the website of the Washington Post Monday afternoon claims that President Trump conveyed classified information to two high-ranking Russian officials during their well-publicized meeting last Wednesday at the White House..."

I wonder who 'conveyed' this information to the WaPo

Cody87

At least it's a more serious sounding allegation than the fact Trump got two scoops of ice cream. I wonder if it's true?

lagatta4

Could be, we'll have to wait for more confirmation. 

And this has nothing to do with "Russophobia". It is perfectly normal for a foreign minister and an ambassador to watch out for the interests of their country, including taking advantage of the stupidity of the purported leader of another country. The problem is Trump's extreme incompetence coupled with hubris. 

Cody87

I'm looking into it, it appears the immediate response was to simply deny the allegations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjizB6IL1ok (53s)

Of course, to those who already believe Trump is involved with Russia those denials are less credible than the accusations. I guess it would be fair to assume that for those who already believe the media hates Trump, the Russiagate allegations are false, and "unnamed sources" is code for "something I just made up to get clicks," the accusations would be considered less credible than the denial.

Edited to add: I'm having a tough time finding much after the initial response (of course we all know the official story from Trump often changes, just like his estimation of his net worth, so I was hoping to find a contradiction in a later refutation), however, the Seth Rich story seems to have sucked all the oxygen out of the air on the Trump side. How convenient.

josh

Trump admitted it in a tweet this morning.

bekayne

josh wrote:

Trump admitted it in a tweet this morning.

I didn't do it!

He didn't do it!

Ok, I did it.

He didn...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Imagine if Trump shared some of the information on ISIS that either the Israeli's or Saudi's had given them it could lead to the Russians bombing those allies' favourite cats claw. 

I think that Trump has gotten so bad that we should start bombing the American people to save them from him. Its only fair the US does it for the good of the people in other countries. 

quizzical

it was Israel from the latest news reports.

NDPP

Washington Post Reveals ISIS Was 'Partner' Supplying Trump Intelligence Briefing For Russian Officials

http://johnhelmer.net/washington-post-reveals-isis-was-partner-supplying...

Rev Pesky

Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin offers transcripts of meeting to the US Congress.

Trump Meets Russians

Russia President Vladimir Putin offered Wednesday to turn over to Congress records of U.S. President Donald Trump's discussions with Russian diplomats in which Trump is reported to have disclosed classified information.

...The White House has played down the importance and secrecy of the information Trump gave to the Russians, and that had been supplied by Israel under an intelligence-sharing agreement. Trump himself said he had "an absolute right" as president to share "facts pertaining to terrorism" and airline safety with Russia.

Having to go hat in hand to the Russians to find out what's going on in the White House is not likely to generate much goodwill for Trump amongst Congressional leaders.

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

As Pierce has pointed out, this is an example of international grand master level trolling by old VV.

Rev Pesky

Let me tell you some day about the book on him I read back in the days before 9/11 (book was published in 2000). Putin is a very interesting man. Not the sort of person you'd want to get on the bad side of.

josh

6079_Smith_W

Most interesting is the argument that at this point the Democrats are better off with Trump as president, and the Republicans would be better off without him, because Pence would be a far better rubber stamp, and as things are going right now the executive branch is completely hamstrung.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/right-and-left-react-to-c...

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..from democracy now headlines

Radical Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke to Take Homeland Security Post

In Wisconsin, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke said Wednesday he has accepted an appointment as assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Clarke has called on local police to work as immigration officers in partnership with ICE. He has also declared there is "no police brutality in America," and has called members of the Black Lives Matter movement "garbage," "black slime" and "subhuman creeps." Clarke’s appointment comes as his Milwaukee jail remains under investigation after prisoner Terrill Thomas died of extreme dehydration when guards reportedly cut off the water in his solitary confinement cell for seven days. Thomas is one of four people who died at the Milwaukee County Jail over a six-month period last year.

Rev Pesky

Big deal for Trump to handle. Erdogan's security detail stomps a demonstration in the USA.

I could have died

They don't allow copying of bits of the article, but the incident took place outside the Turkish embassy in Washington, and involved Turkish bodyguards beating the crap out of a number of the demonstrators.

It's obviously an infraction of the law. But what will Trump's reaction be? I don't think he'll be able to tweet this one away.

On the other hand, Turkey is in NATO, and right now the USA cannot afford to lose them as an ally in Syria.

josh
Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I think that Trump has gotten so bad that we should start bombing the American people to save them from him.

As long as your in the lead jet in the first wave Im down with that. (Oh and need I point out, again, you supported him in the election. So go fuck off.)

NDPP

Dems Crippling Trump's Plan To Cooperate With Russia Out of Own Ambitions - Stephen Cohen (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/388910-trump-scandal-russia-us/

"How will these scandals affect Trump's presidency? And is the White House even capable of operating in this atmosphere of media hysteria? We ask contributing editor of The Nation magazine, professor emeritus at Princeton University - Stephen Cohen."

NDPP

CrossTalk: Appeasing the Saudis (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/388900-trump-saudi-israel-military/

"The destinations on Donald Trump's first official foreign trip include Saudi Arabia and Israel. On the campaign trail he was highly critical of Washinton's military adventurism in the Middle East. Now it appears he is saying quite the opposite. Be prepared for wars Trump once condemned." *

CrossTalking with Riaz Karim, Mahan Abedin, and Mohammed Marandi

*and Canada's participation in them...

voice of the damned

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I think that Trump has gotten so bad that we should start bombing the American people to save them from him.

As long as your in the lead jet in the first wave Im down with that. (Oh and need I point out, again, you supported him in the election. So go fuck off.)

I think Kropotkin's demand to bomb the US was meant as an ad absurdum argument against people who argue that dictatorships should be bombed.

And I can't quite recall him supporting Trump in the election. I think the closest he came was saying that Trump was no worse than Clinton or Obama. Not my personal view(except on a couple of issues where Trump has now backtracked anyway), but that was his position, I believe.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

To be fair -- and I'm not specifically picking on kropotkin1951 here -- saying "I hope Clinton loses" wasn't meaningfully different from saying "I hope Trump wins".

A bit like saying "I'm not hoping the coin comes up Heads... I just really really hope it doesn't come up Tails!"

NorthReport
Rev Pesky

While Trump was signing a US $110 billion military hardware deal with Saudi Arabia, Rex Tillerson was out front trying not to laugh while he shook his finger at Iran:

Tillerson Lectures Rouhani

Speaking Saturday in Saudi Arabia where President Donald Trump is travelling, Tillerson said President Hassan Rouhani now has the opportunity to end Iran's role in supporting "destabilizing forces that exist in this region."

He also expressed his hope that Iran will put an end to its ballistic missile testing and restore "the rights of Iranians to freedom of speech, to freedom of organization, so Iranians can live the lives they deserve."

I wonder if any of the US media will notice the hypocrisy in Tillerson lecturing Iran about citizen​'s freedoms from a platform in Saudi Arabia. Not likely.

quizzical

what i thought was hyprocritical in this visit is Saudi Arbia is going to make Lockhead Martin's fighter jets there.

so much for bringing manufacturing back home....

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I suppose it's fair to ask:  which of the following countries is the weird, rigid, dogmatic, anachronistic, anti-democratic one?

a) Saudi Arabia

b) The Democratic People's Republic of Korea

What's kind of funny to me is that these days, Saudi oil isn't the necessary Mother's Milk that it was in the 1970's, yet they're still "good people".

NDPP

US-Saudi Arabia Seal Weapons Deal Worth $110 Billion

http://217.218.67.231/Detail/2017/05/20/522595/US-Saudi-Arabia-Arms-Deal...

"United States President Donald Trump has closed an arms deal with Saudi Arabia worth almost $110 billion and extending up to $350 billion over 10 years. The White House announced on Saturday the $110 billion deal will take effect immediately. Trump and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson [Rexxon] 'will attend a signing ceremony for the deal,' according to a White House official."

The Real Aim of Trump's Trip To Saudi Arabia   -   by Robert Fisk

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/the-real-aim-of-trumps-trip-to-sa...

"Donald Trump sets off on Friday to create the fantasy of an Arab Nato. The aim, however, is simple: to prepare the Sunni Muslims of the Middle East for war against the Shia Muslims. With help from Israel, of course..."

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Rouhani's Election Win in Iran Chance 'For Trump to Chose Diplomacy Over War

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani easily won his bid for a second term in Friday's election, securing 57 percent of the vote in a victory over his main challenger, the conservative Ebrahim Raisi.

Raisi, who secured 38 percent of the vote, is "one of four judges who sentenced thousands of political prisoners to death in the 1980s, regarded by reformers as a symbol of the security state at its most fearsome," Reuters writes

Voter turnout was strong; over 40 million—roughly 70 percent of those eligible—turned up at the polls.

"Our nation's message in the election was clear: Iran's nation chose the path of interaction with the world, away from violence and extremism," Rouhani, a key figure behind the historic U.S.-Iran nuclear deal, said in a post-win televised speech....

bekayne

NDPP

How Times Change (see #43 for the reasons)

https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/866015622257311745

"Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!"  - Donald J Trump

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Geez.  That took me a second.  Then I remembered to look at the date.

Good thing the House of Saud made all those sweeping human rights changes in the last year, or else how could The Donald possibly accept 100+ billion of their dollars?

Rev Pesky

I suspect for many Trump supporters the response to his about-face on Saudi Arabia will be 'the Deep State made him do it'.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

"The Deep State" takes its rightful place among voodoo, the Holy Spirit, The Dark Arts, and Lizard Interlopers as something that:

1. is responsible for everything of any importance that happens in the world

2. cannot be proven (nor unproven!)

3.  is all-powerful

4.  is denied by those of little faith

Is the Deep State actually GOD???!!

bekayne

Rev Pesky

NDPP wrote:

How Times Change (see #43 for the reasons)

https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/866015622257311745

"Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!"  - Donald J Trump

Meanwhile, Ivanka Trump has accepted a US$100 million donation from the same as above for her charity.

Hypocrisy upon hypocrisy.

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