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bekayne

Rikardo wrote:

I hope he won't be persuaded to bring

'democracy and human rights' to Iran.

 

Persuaded? Have you listened to anything Trump has said on Iran?  Have you forgotten the biggest backer of war with Iran was the dear, sainted "martyr to the deep state" Michael Flynn?

NDPP

Trump and the Christian Fascists   -  by Chris Hedges

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/trump_and_the_christian_fascists_201...

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It's getting to the point that a satirist like Tom Tomorrow has to use human-eating aliens to come up with a crazier scenario than what's actually happening.

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josh wrote:

Rikardo wrote:

I see on Antiwar.com that President Trump is putting an end to the CIA financing of Syrian rebels that Obama starting in 2011.  This is great, although ignored by the media and Trump haters.  Also Syria, via the UN, is demandingc recontruction by the USA.  I hope he won't be persuaded to bring

'democracy and human rights' to Iran.

 

Context is everything.  It's obviously a quid pro quo for Russia's support in the election.

LMAOROF  

So Josh why are you so concerned about the possibility of minor fraud in an American election when the US openly engages in murderous regime chnage. The Syrians should have been so lucky as to have had their computers hacked instead. 

As you say context is everything and Trump is the best distraction the ruling elite has had in ages. 

Rev Pesky

Worthwhile to remember the bulk of financing and materiel for the Islamists fighting in Syria is funnelled through Saudi Arabia. So cutting of CIA direct funds is meaningless.

josh

kropotkin1951 wrote:

josh wrote:

Rikardo wrote:

I see on Antiwar.com that President Trump is putting an end to the CIA financing of Syrian rebels that Obama starting in 2011.  This is great, although ignored by the media and Trump haters.  Also Syria, via the UN, is demandingc recontruction by the USA.  I hope he won't be persuaded to bring

'democracy and human rights' to Iran.

 

Context is everything.  It's obviously a quid pro quo for Russia's support in the election.

LMAOROF  

So Josh why are you so concerned about the possibility of minor fraud in an American election when the US openly engages in murderous regime chnage. The Syrians should have been so lucky as to have had their computers hacked instead. 

As you say context is everything and Trump is the best distraction the ruling elite has had in ages. 

Minor?  LMAO.

Who says you can't be concerned about both.  Didn't know it was either/or.

Paladin1

I'm not sure if this deserves it's own thread or not. I've checked a few sources and it seems legitimate.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/trump-transgender-militar...

Trump Says Transgender People Will Not Be Allowed in the Military

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WASHINGTON — President Trump announced on Wednesday that the United States will no longer “accept or allow” transgender people in the United States military, saying American forces “must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory” and could not afford to accommodate them.

Mr. Trump made the surprise declaration in a series of posts on Twitter, saying he had come to the decision after talking to generals and military experts, whom he did not name.

I'm really not buying the explination.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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American forces “must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory”

At which point 50 red, white and blue fireworks exploded above him, neatly spelling out "Mission Accomplished".

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josh wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

josh wrote:

Rikardo wrote:

I see on Antiwar.com that President Trump is putting an end to the CIA financing of Syrian rebels that Obama starting in 2011.  This is great, although ignored by the media and Trump haters.  Also Syria, via the UN, is demandingc recontruction by the USA.  I hope he won't be persuaded to bring

'democracy and human rights' to Iran.

 

Context is everything.  It's obviously a quid pro quo for Russia's support in the election.

LMAOROF  

So Josh why are you so concerned about the possibility of minor fraud in an American election when the US openly engages in murderous regime chnage. The Syrians should have been so lucky as to have had their computers hacked instead. 

As you say context is everything and Trump is the best distraction the ruling elite has had in ages. 

Minor?  LMAO.

Who says you can't be concerned about both.  Didn't know it was either/or.

The puppet masters have the marionettes on the internet dancing a fine jig. 

WWWTT

To me it looks like Trump did the transgender community a huge favour by banning them from participating in the imperial war crimes machine. And the left took the bait and are right in the forefront of defending the imperial war pigs!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/first-they-came-for-trans-americ...

voice of the damned

WWWTT wrote:

To me it looks like Trump did the transgender community a huge favour by banning them from participating in the imperial war crimes machine. And the left took the bait and are right in the forefront of defending the imperial war pigs!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/first-they-came-for-trans-americ...

So, if Trump had banned black people from the military, you'd say he was doing them a favour, and that any leftists who took issue with the policy were "taking the bait"?

As for the idea that the ban is a "favour" to trans people, surely any of them who share your analysis of the imperial war machine are capable of simply choosing on their own volition not to enlist.

(Oh, and to cover my bases here, if your post was meant as a troll: "Yes, I agree, Trump is the trans people's best friend for banning them from the army! Next, he should expel them from the country so they won't have to suffer the indignity of life at the heart of the Amerikan war machine!!!")

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The puppet masters have the marionettes on the internet dancing a fine jig.

If you're talking about that Russian folk dance with the kicking and such, I don't think it's called a jig.

NDPP

WWWTT wrote:

To me it looks like Trump did the transgender community a huge favour by banning them from participating in the imperial war crimes machine. And the left took the bait and are right in the forefront of defending the imperial war pigs!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/first-they-came-for-trans-americ...

NDPP:

If they can't fight for  USA, they can always join up with their proxies...

http://www.newsweek.com/first-lgbt-unit-created-fight-isis-syria-its-nam...

WWWTT

voice of the damned wrote:

So, if Trump had banned black people from the military, you'd say he was doing them a favour, and that any leftists who took issue with the policy were "taking the bait"?

Actually if you look at the history of African Americans in the US military, statistics say a whole story in itself.

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/s_z/stevens/africanamer.htm

(Oh, and to cover my bases here, if your post was meant as a troll: "Yes, I agree, Trump is the trans people's best friend for banning them from the army! Next, he should expel them from the country so they won't have to suffer the indignity of life at the heart of the Amerikan war machine!!!")

That's quite the imagination you have there! If you say so?

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

NDPP:

If they can't fight for  USA, they can always join up with their proxies...

http://www.newsweek.com/first-lgbt-unit-created-fight-isis-syria-its-nam...

Wake me up when "Tequila" is deployed to Afghanistan and Saudia Arabia, or better yet, the USA!

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That's quite the imagination you have there! If you say so?

VOTD is absolutely right.  Trump does nobody a favour by singling out one group and denying them the opportunity given to others.

Should Trump also roll back the decision to allow women in the military?  Shouldn't he also help those ladies make the right choice?

Rev Pesky

Sounds like Trump's new communications director is a bit frustrated:

Scaramucci goes bananas

Donald Trump’s new communications director has launched an extraordinary, foul-mouthed tirade against two senior colleagues, raising the prospect of all-out civil war at the White House.

Anthony Scaramucci told an interviewer that Chief of Staff Reince Priebus is “a fucking paranoid schizophrenic” who will be asked to resign, and that Scaramucci is not like Steve Bannon, the chief strategist, because “I’m not trying to suck my own cock.”

The profane language was shocking even by the standards of the Trump era and suggested that a major staff shake-up is imminent.

…’The Mooch’, as he is known, said: “They’ll all be fired by me. I fired one guy the other day. I have three to four people I’ll fire tomorrow. I’ll get to the person who leaked that to you, Reince Priebus – if you want to leak something – he’ll be asked to resign very shortly.”

Scaramucci said he told Trump that he expected Priebus to launch a campaign against him, Lizza writes.  Scaramucci believed Priedbus had been disturbed by the dinner (a dinner Scaramucci had with Donald Trump - maestro)  because he was not invited. “Reince is a fucking paranoid schizophrenic, a paranoiac,” he is quoted as saying.

Scaramucci then parodied Priebus: “Oh, Bill shine is coming in. Let me leak the fucking thing and see if I can cock-block these people the way I cock-blocked Scaramucci for six months.”

My advice to Scaramucci. Don't hold back, man. The time for diplomatic niceties is over. Tell everyone what you really think...

This sounds like good material for the civics class at the local elementary school. Might as well get the little buggers used to realpolitik while they're still young...

WWWTT

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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That's quite the imagination you have there! If you say so?

VOTD is absolutely right.  Trump does nobody a favour by singling out one group and denying them the opportunity given to others.

Should Trump also roll back the decision to allow women in the military?  Shouldn't he also help those ladies make the right choice?

Depends on your perspective. What if Trump banned men of Iberian descent? Would you come to their defence and make up a hypothetical argument that men of English descent are next? Or would you go straight back to woman are next? Personaly I'd like to see EVERYONE banned from the military all over the entire world! So in a way really, this is a tiny victory to seeing militaries vanishing.

Either way it doesn't matter much,  I feel that Trumps intent was not to discriminate against probably the smallest identifiable minority community in the US military, but to draw the left into defending the military and blurring the lines defining imperial war crimes. 

 

Rev Pesky

From Mister Magoo:

VOTD is absolutely right.  Trump does nobody a favour by singling out one group and denying them the opportunity given to others.

And you can add my agreement. As far as opportunity, please note the excuse given for this move by Trump was the cost of medical care. In the USA, joining the military is one way to ensure you have medical care, and I suspect that is a significant factor in peoples decisions about joining or not.

By the way, the estimated cost per year of medical care for transgender soldiers would be in the area of US$ 8 million. That's in a yearly budget of roughly US$600 billion. I think they pay more than that for paper clips, dont' they?

WWWTT

Mr. Magoo wrote:

VOTD is absolutely right.  Trump does nobody a favour by singling out one group and denying them the opportunity given to others.

You see killing people in war crimes as an "opportunity"?!?!?!?!

Ya ok, if you say so I guess?

WWWTT

Rev Pesky wrote:

And you can add my agreement. As far as opportunity, please note the excuse given for this move by Trump was the cost of medical care. In the USA, joining the military is one way to ensure you have medical care, and I suspect that is a significant factor in peoples decisions about joining or not.

Thanks for pointing out how the US manipulates it's citizens into becoming agents of evil.

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Depends on your perspective. What if Trump banned men of Iberian descent?

Wat?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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The puppet masters have the marionettes on the internet dancing a fine jig.

If you're talking about that Russian folk dance with the kicking and such, I don't think it's called a jig.

I'm thinking maybe a hopak would have been a better descriptor.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VByNuaE_CT0

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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I'm thinking maybe a hopak would have been a better descriptor.  

Of course.  It was a terrible moment in history when Ukrainians forced that dance, and everything else, on their Russian subjects.

If it helps, I didn't say *you* were dancing, did I?

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..from democracy now headlines

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A study by the RAND Corporation estimates gender reassignment treatments would cost the military between $2.5 million and $8.5 million annually—a minuscule fraction of the Pentagon’s $600 billion budget. By comparison, the total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to 10 times as much annually. 

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

To me it looks like Trump did the transgender community a huge favour by banning them from participating in the imperial war crimes machine. And the left took the bait and are right in the forefront of defending the imperial war pigs!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/first-they-came-for-trans-americ...

So maybe the transgender community should be grateful and join the 2020 Trump reelection campaign with many other here at Rabble as long as it keeps the likes of Hillary from office?!?! Maybe the transgender community should also support Putin's and Asad's bids to hold onto power in their respective countries? Does Russia and Syria have enlightened policies that support the equality for the LGBTQ community?!?!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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So maybe the transgender community should be grateful and join the 2020 Trump reelection campaign with many other here at Rabble as long as it keeps the likes of Hillary from office?!?!

AMEN, my brother!  We just KNOW she'd have let ANY American go off to serve the Military Industrial Complex!  Do you think she cares about the transgendered, our most vulnerable and precious resource?  She'd have let them serve no matter how loudly they said they want to serve!

WWWTT

I don't know what is Russia and Syria policy on these communities? Maybe if there was a thread about it? I thought I was commenting in the Trump thread?

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

I don't know what is Russia and Syria policy on these communities? Maybe if there was a thread about it? I thought I was commenting in the Trump thread?

The transgender community should be grateful you are not mixing these issues up!

WWWTT

Are you a member of the transgender community in the military?

WWWTT

@JKR

You really believe HillaryClinton is going to get the democratic nomination in 2020 to go up against trump? 

WWWTT

Rev Pesky wrote:

From Mister Magoo:

VOTD is absolutely right.  Trump does nobody a favour by singling out one group and denying them the opportunity given to others.

And you can add my agreement. As far as opportunity, please note the excuse given for this move by Trump was the cost of medical care. In the USA, joining the military is one way to ensure you have medical care, and I suspect that is a significant factor in peoples decisions about joining or not.

By the way, the estimated cost per year of medical care for transgender soldiers would be in the area of US$ 8 million. That's in a yearly budget of roughly US$600 billion. I think they pay more than that for paper clips, dont' they?

are you saying transgender people join for free medical coverage?

bekayne

Rev Pesky wrote:

Sounds like Trump's new communications director is a bit frustrated:

 

And more than a bit coked up

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

@JKR

You really believe HillaryClinton is going to get the democratic nomination in 2020 to go up against trump? 

@WWWTT

You really believe I believe that Hillary is going to run for president again?

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

Are you a member of the transgender community in the military?

Maybe, maybe not, Why Should That Matter???

NDPP

JKR wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@JKR

You really believe HillaryClinton is going to get the democratic nomination in 2020 to go up against trump? 

@WWWTT

You really believe I believe that Hillary is going to run for president again?

NDPP

Hillary Clinton is More Unpopular Than Donald Trump. Let That Sink In

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/hillary-clinton-do...

"The reasons for her low appeal need to be confronted by the Democratic establishment."

JKR

NDPP wrote:

JKR wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@JKR

You really believe HillaryClinton is going to get the democratic nomination in 2020 to go up against trump? 

@WWWTT

You really believe I believe that Hillary is going to run for president again?

NDPP

Hillary Clinton is More Unpopular Than Donald Trump. Let That Sink In

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/hillary-clinton-do...

"The reasons for her low appeal need to be confronted by the Democratic establishment."

Hillary is just another private citizen of the United States while Trump is the insane President of the United States. Let that sink in.

Rev Pesky

From WWWTT:

...are you saying transgender people join for free medical coverage?

What I'm saying is exactly what I said. That is

I suspect that is a significant factor in peoples decisions about joining or not.

So if you know what 'peoples' (probably should have had an apostrophe) means, and you know what 'factor' means, the statement should be pretty clear. In case you're not sure, 'peoples' means people, humans, members of the human race. If I had wanted to single out some group, I would have. 'Factor' means a part of the decision making process, as it is used in the above quote. 

To make it even more clear, I'll fill it in a little. I believe that people who join the military in the USA consider the medical care they will receive as military personnel, and that may influence their decision on whether to join or not.

Rev Pesky

From beckayne:

...And more than a bit coked up

That was almost the first thing I thought of when I read the story. That rant sure has that 'sound' to it. 

You know, if you're a professional athlete, you have to submit urine samples on a regular basis, but if you have access to the nuclear codes that could destroy the world, you don't. That seems a bit out of whack.

Lefties smoke pot, righties snort coke.  The undecided do fentanyl. Sometimes I don't blame them.

josh

Rev Pesky wrote:

Sounds like Trump's new communications director is a bit frustrated:

Scaramucci goes bananas

Donald Trump’s new communications director has launched an extraordinary, foul-mouthed tirade against two senior colleagues, raising the prospect of all-out civil war at the White House.

Anthony Scaramucci told an interviewer that Chief of Staff Reince Priebus is “a fucking paranoid schizophrenic” who will be asked to resign, and that Scaramucci is not like Steve Bannon, the chief strategist, because “I’m not trying to suck my own cock.”

The profane language was shocking even by the standards of the Trump era and suggested that a major staff shake-up is imminent.

…’The Mooch’, as he is known, said: “They’ll all be fired by me. I fired one guy the other day. I have three to four people I’ll fire tomorrow. I’ll get to the person who leaked that to you, Reince Priebus – if you want to leak something – he’ll be asked to resign very shortly.”

Scaramucci said he told Trump that he expected Priebus to launch a campaign against him, Lizza writes.  Scaramucci believed Priedbus had been disturbed by the dinner (a dinner Scaramucci had with Donald Trump - maestro)  because he was not invited. “Reince is a fucking paranoid schizophrenic, a paranoiac,” he is quoted as saying.

Scaramucci then parodied Priebus: “Oh, Bill shine is coming in. Let me leak the fucking thing and see if I can cock-block these people the way I cock-blocked Scaramucci for six months.”

My advice to Scaramucci. Don't hold back, man. The time for diplomatic niceties is over. Tell everyone what you really think...

This sounds like good material for the civics class at the local elementary school. Might as well get the little buggers used to realpolitik while they're still young...

Bannon denies the charge:  "I have been unable to see my genetalia for years."

Rev Pesky

From josh:

Bannon denies the charge:  "I have been unable to see my genetalia for years."

That brought a smile to my morning coffee, so thanks for brightening my day.

But we haven't heard from either Priebus or Bannon, so I wonder what's going on in the White House today? Saramucci said he was going to fire evervybody, but he can't really fire the Chief of Staff. The President would have to do that. And so far, strangely enough, there hasn't been any presidential tweets on this. 

Back in the day, I would have said Scaramucci would be fired for his rant, but nowadays....

 

voice of the damned

WWWTT wrote:

 

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 What if Trump banned men of Iberian descent? Would you come to their defence and make up a hypothetical argument that men of English descent are next? Or would you go straight back to woman are next? Personaly I'd like to see EVERYONE banned from the military all over the entire world! So in a way really, this is a tiny victory to seeing militaries vanishing.
 

I wasn't saying that black people are going to be next; in fact, I think that's very unlikely to happen. What I was doing was proposing a hypothetical situation where black people WERE being kicked out of the US military, and wondering if you would be so non-chalant about cheering on THAT particular purge under the rationale you are using to cheer on anti-trans purges. 

Rev Pesky

Well, Priebus is gone, so Scaramucci won't have him to kick around anymore. Who will be the next scapegoat?

bekayne

WWWTT

voice of the damned wrote:

I wasn't saying that black people are going to be next; in fact, I think that's very unlikely to happen. What I was doing was proposing a hypothetical situation where black people WERE being kicked out of the US military, and wondering if you would be so non-chalant about cheering on THAT particular purge under the rationale you are using to cheer on anti-trans purges. 

Ya actually I posted a link when I first replied to your comment about how a disproportionately higher percentage of African Americans were killed in Vietnam. Look I don't like hypothetical arguments most of the time because people use them to make up a pile of garbage. I already explained here in this thread that I'd like everyone banned. So when are you going to get the point I was trying to make? I already got your point the second I read your comment and seen right through it. But you know what? Who gives a rats ass anymore? I thought the trans community was a fuck of a lot better then being used as slaves going of to kill innocent people for their puppet masters. If they want to be a bunch of war pigs and hurt people with machines of horror then let them. What am I supposed to do? Get all upset that a group of people are bummed out because they're not allowed to go kill someone???? That's just sick man!

WWWTT

Oh and another thing, I find that people who use hypothetical arguments hate it when another hypothetical argument is used against theirs. 

WWWTT

JKR wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

@JKR

You really believe HillaryClinton is going to get the democratic nomination in 2020 to go up against trump? 

@WWWTT

You really believe I believe that Hillary is going to run for president again?

ya that's what it sounded like. But who cares at this point now? Your just going to debate anything I write so you're going to be impossible to predict. 

WWWTT

bekayne wrote:

where's the part where you get a pay cheque Ya I guess if you're stupid enough to get a job that doesn't pay then you probably deserved to get a knife in the back. Ya I don't like that cartoon. 

JKR

WWWTT wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

I wasn't saying that black people are going to be next; in fact, I think that's very unlikely to happen. What I was doing was proposing a hypothetical situation where black people WERE being kicked out of the US military, and wondering if you would be so non-chalant about cheering on THAT particular purge under the rationale you are using to cheer on anti-trans purges. 

Ya actually I posted a link when I first replied to your comment about how a disproportionately higher percentage of African Americans were killed in Vietnam. Look I don't like hypothetical arguments most of the time because people use them to make up a pile of garbage. I already explained here in this thread that I'd like everyone banned. So when are you going to get the point I was trying to make? I already got your point the second I read your comment and seen right through it. But you know what? Who gives a rats ass anymore? I thought the trans community was a fuck of a lot better then being used as slaves going of to kill innocent people for their puppet masters. If they want to be a bunch of war pigs and hurt people with machines of horror then let them. What am I supposed to do? Get all upset that a group of people are bummed out because they're not allowed to go kill someone???? That's just sick man!

Why do you think the trans community is of one mind? Don't you think that outlook is otherizing and condescending?

Also, one person's "war pig" may be another person's freedom fighter.

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