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voice of the damned

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I'm not sure what the monkeys are supposed to symbolize. That I am unable to acknowledge the alleged compatibility between saying that US military aid is harmful for people(ie. the ICH view of American military aid), and saying that the US could use WITHDRAWAL of military aid as a threat(ie. the NYT article's view of American military aid)? It seems to me those viewpoints are pretty much mutually exclusive.

I suspect the NYT writer subscribes to some sort of view of the US military as a benevolent force in the world, hence people fear the possibility of it withdrawing from their nations. That doesn't really match  usual IHR view of the US military as something that nobody wants in their country. Hence, it seems strange to me that they would publish that particular article, at least without commenting on the writer's presumably erroneous viewpoint.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

They're actually chimpanzees, or perhaps bonobos, neither of which are "monkeys".  Lacking a tail, they are apes.

With that out of the way, I think they were supposed to inform you that apparently you have not yet been "woke", or that in some way you "fail to get it".

FWIW, I agree with you.  It makes no sense to say that if the U.S. military stays, that's bad, but if they leave, that's bad.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Maybe you should just read articles instead of presuming what is in them from the fact that they are republished in any given site. Your presumption that any article from a site must conform to your view of that sites biases is certainly one of the most self centered persepectives on the internet that I've heard in a while.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Some of my favourite trolls supporting each other to slay the commies under their beds. Its really heart rending to see.

voice of the damned

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Maybe you should just read articles instead of presuming what is in them from the fact that they are republished in any given site. Your presumption that any article from a site must conform to your view of that sites biases is certainly one of the most self centered persepectives on the internet that I've heard in a while.

Well, apart from having been a reader of ICH over the years, their slogan is "News you won't find on CNN or FOX NEWS", which would lead me to expect something other than the mainstream liberal view of US military power. And then they post an article, from the New York Times no less, essentially bolstering that view.

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The real question is why a newly minted NATO ally is in such bad shape that it qualifies as a failed state. It is so bad the US has to provide assistance to neighbouring governments to control the borders because terrorists keep spilling into their countries from our ally.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

VOD that was one line in an article in which at least as much attention was paid to the far greater threat of the US pulling all its WHO funding.

I think you are willfully blind to the real issues and are generally just interested in nit picking at all sites that do not share your ideological bent.  Thus the see no evil meme

NorthReport

So what’s Canada to do? And I don’t mean the useless kiss the US ass Trudeau. 

What country could Canada start slowly shifting its economic and military alliances to? 

Seeing as we don’t want to be to closely connected to thuggish regimes it seems the one substantial country who realizes the importance of standing up to the US and Russian bullies is Germany.

Sprichst du Deutsch?

 

 

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NDPP

CrossTalk Bullhorns: Pre-Summit (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/432351-trump-nato-leaders-putin/

"In rapid succession, Donald Trump will attend a meeting of NATO leaders, then meet with Russia's Vladimir Putin. What can we expect from the Donald?"

Misfit Misfit's picture

VOTD,

The article that NDPP posted is a very serious topic.  I remember as a teenager my mother telling me to boycott Nestle because they have had a very bad history of pressure selling infant baby formula to extremely poor women in Asia, Aftica, and South and Central America.

They were telling these new mothers that their manufactured products are healthier and more nutritious for their babies than their own breast fed milk.

Nestle would give these new mothers sample packets to start out with and bottles. Then the mothers breastmilk would dry up and these destitute women could not afford to purchase the baby formula. The mothers still had to feed their babies so they had no alternative but to dilute the formula so that they could continue feeding their infants.  According to the Business Insider article listed below millions of babies died as a result of this. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6

Wikipedia also has a column piece on the history of the Nestle boycott.

According to NDPP's article, The Trump Administration appears to be backing the interests of big business and is trying to boost sales of baby infant formula in developing countries again. They are also trying to discourage international health agencies from promoting the benefits of breast feeding. They are using bullying tactics to coerce or force their corporate agenda on developing nations.

VOTD,  I personally find it very alarming. I read through the article because I wanted to see if anything was mentioned about Nestlé.  

Nestle did not want to get involved in the US antics.

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Here is NDPP's article:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49809.htm

 

NDPP

Here's another piece on the same topic Misfit:

The Sordid History of Infant Formula and Trump's Attempt to Bully, Blackmail and Threaten Third World Countries

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/09/the-sordid-history-of-infant-for...

"The recent attempt by the US to overthrow 40 years of World Health Organization consensus that breast feeding is universally better for babies is a prime example of the desperation of US capital and how entwined corporate interest has become with the government..."

 

Hedges: America  The Failed State  

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/america-the-failed-state/

"...The two political parties are one party - the corporate party. They do not debate substantive issues. They each support the expansion of imperial wars, the bloated military budget, the dictates of global capitalism, the bailing out of Wall Street, punishing austerity measures, assaulting basic civil liberties through wholesale government surveillance and the abolition of due process, and an electoral process that has cemented into place a system of legalized bribery...We elect politicians based on how we are made to feel about them by the public relations industry. Politics is anti-politics..."

Misfit Misfit's picture

Thank you NDPP. Your Counter Punch article is excellent and concise at getting to the heart of the matter.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/09/the-sordid-history-of-infant-formula-and-trumps-attempt-to-bully-blackmail-threaten-thirrd-world-countries/

This article writes:

"The infant formula scandal is just one example of a thousand in seeing how western corporations make their super profits off the backs of the Third World. And they are happy to do it with the result of quite literally millions of dead children and millions more who are stunted in the first years of their lives and suffer phsyical/mental suffering that will last a lifetime."

This is evil!

 

voice of the damned

Hedges wrote:

The two political parties are one party—the corporate party. They do not debate substantive issues. They each support the expansion of imperial wars, the bloated military budget, the dictates of global capitalism, the bailing out of Wall Street, punishing austerity measures, assaulting basic civil liberties through wholesale government surveillance and the abolition of due process, and an electoral process that has cemented into place a system of legalized bribery. They battle over cultural tropes such as abortion, gay rights and prayer in schools. We elect politicians based on how we are made to feel about them by the public relations industry. Politics is anti-politics.

The Republican Party built its political base in these culture wars around Christian fascists, nativists and white supremacists. The Democratic Party built its base around those who supported workers’ rights, multiculturalism, diversity and gender equality. The base of each party was used and manipulated by elites. The Republican Party elites had no intention of banning abortion or turning America into a “Christian nation.” The Democratic Party elites had no intention of protecting workers from predatory corporatism. Everyone was sold out. The ascendancy of a populist right, dominated by racists and bigots, is the inevitable product of the corporate coup d’état, Saul said. He warned we should not be complacent because of President Trump’s imbecility. Trump is immensely dangerous. “The insipid,” Thomas Mann wrote in “The Magic Mountain,” “is not synonymous with the harmless.”

Okay, so Republican and Democrats are the same party, except that one caters to religious and racial bigots, and the other caters to workers, feminists, and people who support multiculturalism.

However, the ascendancy of a "populist right, dominated by racists and bigots", is then laid at the feet of an unnamed, seemingly non-partisan "corporate coup d'etat". But isn't it just possible that one particular party, ie. the one that Hedges says panders to "racists and bigots", bears the brunt of the responsibility for "the asendancy of a populist right, dominated by racists and bigots"?

I join in shaming the Democrats for not taking a stronger stance against corporate rule. But still. I don't think that renders them responsible for the fact that the GOP decided to start courting reactionaries, as early as the 1964 election.

 

voice of the damned

kropotkin1951 wrote:

VOD that was one line in an article in which at least as much attention was paid to the far greater threat of the US pulling all its WHO funding.

I think you are willfully blind to the real issues and are generally just interested in nit picking at all sites that do not share your ideological bent.  Thus the see no evil meme

Well, for the record, I wasn't trying to distract any attention from the US's godawful position on breastfeeding, or their actions to advance it at the UN. People can shout away against that all they want, AFAIAC.

NDPP

On July 4th, American Exceptionalism and Ruling Class Fear of Trump

https://blackagendareport.com/july-4th-american-exceptionalism-and-rulin...

"...Trump is a headache to the ruling class even if he is no savior for the poor and oppressed. The US ruling class understands that the era of Trump is a dangerous moment politically economically and militarily. US imperialism is in a state of crisis. Trump must be labeled the sole source of all problems lest the entire ruling class become implicated as well..."

NorthReport

Thank goodness for some blunt honesty from the Europeans who have the courage to say what many North Americans realize but whose leaders are afraid to say

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/donald-trump-behavior-nato-summit-europe-716035

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NDPP

Trump Marches Onward and Downward  -  by James Petras

https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/07/trump-marches-onward-and-downward/#mo...

"Journalists, academics, pundits and experts have ignored the complexity of President Trump's impact on the state of the US Empire. His policies have undermined allies, antagonized competitors and provoked retaliation. All of which increases the economic cost of running an empire..."

Pondering

On the first day of Trump's visit the Queen wore a brooch given to her by the Obamas.

On the second day on which she had tea with Trump she wore a brooch worn by the Queen Mother at King George VI's funeral.  

On the third day of Trump's visit she wore a brooch given to her by Canada in 2017.

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