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voice of the damned

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I'm not sure what the monkeys are supposed to symbolize. That I am unable to acknowledge the alleged compatibility between saying that US military aid is harmful for people(ie. the ICH view of American military aid), and saying that the US could use WITHDRAWAL of military aid as a threat(ie. the NYT article's view of American military aid)? It seems to me those viewpoints are pretty much mutually exclusive.

I suspect the NYT writer subscribes to some sort of view of the US military as a benevolent force in the world, hence people fear the possibility of it withdrawing from their nations. That doesn't really match  usual IHR view of the US military as something that nobody wants in their country. Hence, it seems strange to me that they would publish that particular article, at least without commenting on the writer's presumably erroneous viewpoint.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

They're actually chimpanzees, or perhaps bonobos, neither of which are "monkeys".  Lacking a tail, they are apes.

With that out of the way, I think they were supposed to inform you that apparently you have not yet been "woke", or that in some way you "fail to get it".

FWIW, I agree with you.  It makes no sense to say that if the U.S. military stays, that's bad, but if they leave, that's bad.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Maybe you should just read articles instead of presuming what is in them from the fact that they are republished in any given site. Your presumption that any article from a site must conform to your view of that sites biases is certainly one of the most self centered persepectives on the internet that I've heard in a while.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Some of my favourite trolls supporting each other to slay the commies under their beds. Its really heart rending to see.

voice of the damned

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Maybe you should just read articles instead of presuming what is in them from the fact that they are republished in any given site. Your presumption that any article from a site must conform to your view of that sites biases is certainly one of the most self centered persepectives on the internet that I've heard in a while.

Well, apart from having been a reader of ICH over the years, their slogan is "News you won't find on CNN or FOX NEWS", which would lead me to expect something other than the mainstream liberal view of US military power. And then they post an article, from the New York Times no less, essentially bolstering that view.

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The real question is why a newly minted NATO ally is in such bad shape that it qualifies as a failed state. It is so bad the US has to provide assistance to neighbouring governments to control the borders because terrorists keep spilling into their countries from our ally.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

VOD that was one line in an article in which at least as much attention was paid to the far greater threat of the US pulling all its WHO funding.

I think you are willfully blind to the real issues and are generally just interested in nit picking at all sites that do not share your ideological bent.  Thus the see no evil meme

NorthReport

So what’s Canada to do? And I don’t mean the useless kiss the US ass Trudeau. 

What country could Canada start slowly shifting its economic and military alliances to? 

Seeing as we don’t want to be to closely connected to thuggish regimes it seems the one substantial country who realizes the importance of standing up to the US and Russian bullies is Germany.

Sprichst du Deutsch?

 

 

NorthReport
NDPP

CrossTalk Bullhorns: Pre-Summit (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/432351-trump-nato-leaders-putin/

"In rapid succession, Donald Trump will attend a meeting of NATO leaders, then meet with Russia's Vladimir Putin. What can we expect from the Donald?"

Misfit Misfit's picture

VOTD,

The article that NDPP posted is a very serious topic.  I remember as a teenager my mother telling me to boycott Nestle because they have had a very bad history of pressure selling infant baby formula to extremely poor women in Asia, Aftica, and South and Central America.

They were telling these new mothers that their manufactured products are healthier and more nutritious for their babies than their own breast fed milk.

Nestle would give these new mothers sample packets to start out with and bottles. Then the mothers breastmilk would dry up and these destitute women could not afford to purchase the baby formula. The mothers still had to feed their babies so they had no alternative but to dilute the formula so that they could continue feeding their infants.  According to the Business Insider article listed below millions of babies died as a result of this. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6

Wikipedia also has a column piece on the history of the Nestle boycott.

According to NDPP's article, The Trump Administration appears to be backing the interests of big business and is trying to boost sales of baby infant formula in developing countries again. They are also trying to discourage international health agencies from promoting the benefits of breast feeding. They are using bullying tactics to coerce or force their corporate agenda on developing nations.

VOTD,  I personally find it very alarming. I read through the article because I wanted to see if anything was mentioned about Nestlé.  

Nestle did not want to get involved in the US antics.

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Here is NDPP's article:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49809.htm

 

NDPP

Here's another piece on the same topic Misfit:

The Sordid History of Infant Formula and Trump's Attempt to Bully, Blackmail and Threaten Third World Countries

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/09/the-sordid-history-of-infant-for...

"The recent attempt by the US to overthrow 40 years of World Health Organization consensus that breast feeding is universally better for babies is a prime example of the desperation of US capital and how entwined corporate interest has become with the government..."

 

Hedges: America  The Failed State  

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/america-the-failed-state/

"...The two political parties are one party - the corporate party. They do not debate substantive issues. They each support the expansion of imperial wars, the bloated military budget, the dictates of global capitalism, the bailing out of Wall Street, punishing austerity measures, assaulting basic civil liberties through wholesale government surveillance and the abolition of due process, and an electoral process that has cemented into place a system of legalized bribery...We elect politicians based on how we are made to feel about them by the public relations industry. Politics is anti-politics..."

Misfit Misfit's picture

Thank you NDPP. Your Counter Punch article is excellent and concise at getting to the heart of the matter.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/09/the-sordid-history-of-infant-formula-and-trumps-attempt-to-bully-blackmail-threaten-thirrd-world-countries/

This article writes:

"The infant formula scandal is just one example of a thousand in seeing how western corporations make their super profits off the backs of the Third World. And they are happy to do it with the result of quite literally millions of dead children and millions more who are stunted in the first years of their lives and suffer phsyical/mental suffering that will last a lifetime."

This is evil!

 

voice of the damned

Hedges wrote:

The two political parties are one party—the corporate party. They do not debate substantive issues. They each support the expansion of imperial wars, the bloated military budget, the dictates of global capitalism, the bailing out of Wall Street, punishing austerity measures, assaulting basic civil liberties through wholesale government surveillance and the abolition of due process, and an electoral process that has cemented into place a system of legalized bribery. They battle over cultural tropes such as abortion, gay rights and prayer in schools. We elect politicians based on how we are made to feel about them by the public relations industry. Politics is anti-politics.

The Republican Party built its political base in these culture wars around Christian fascists, nativists and white supremacists. The Democratic Party built its base around those who supported workers’ rights, multiculturalism, diversity and gender equality. The base of each party was used and manipulated by elites. The Republican Party elites had no intention of banning abortion or turning America into a “Christian nation.” The Democratic Party elites had no intention of protecting workers from predatory corporatism. Everyone was sold out. The ascendancy of a populist right, dominated by racists and bigots, is the inevitable product of the corporate coup d’état, Saul said. He warned we should not be complacent because of President Trump’s imbecility. Trump is immensely dangerous. “The insipid,” Thomas Mann wrote in “The Magic Mountain,” “is not synonymous with the harmless.”

Okay, so Republican and Democrats are the same party, except that one caters to religious and racial bigots, and the other caters to workers, feminists, and people who support multiculturalism.

However, the ascendancy of a "populist right, dominated by racists and bigots", is then laid at the feet of an unnamed, seemingly non-partisan "corporate coup d'etat". But isn't it just possible that one particular party, ie. the one that Hedges says panders to "racists and bigots", bears the brunt of the responsibility for "the asendancy of a populist right, dominated by racists and bigots"?

I join in shaming the Democrats for not taking a stronger stance against corporate rule. But still. I don't think that renders them responsible for the fact that the GOP decided to start courting reactionaries, as early as the 1964 election.

 

voice of the damned

kropotkin1951 wrote:

VOD that was one line in an article in which at least as much attention was paid to the far greater threat of the US pulling all its WHO funding.

I think you are willfully blind to the real issues and are generally just interested in nit picking at all sites that do not share your ideological bent.  Thus the see no evil meme

Well, for the record, I wasn't trying to distract any attention from the US's godawful position on breastfeeding, or their actions to advance it at the UN. People can shout away against that all they want, AFAIAC.

NDPP

On July 4th, American Exceptionalism and Ruling Class Fear of Trump

https://blackagendareport.com/july-4th-american-exceptionalism-and-rulin...

"...Trump is a headache to the ruling class even if he is no savior for the poor and oppressed. The US ruling class understands that the era of Trump is a dangerous moment politically economically and militarily. US imperialism is in a state of crisis. Trump must be labeled the sole source of all problems lest the entire ruling class become implicated as well..."

NorthReport

Thank goodness for some blunt honesty from the Europeans who have the courage to say what many North Americans realize but whose leaders are afraid to say

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/donald-trump-behavior-nato-summit-europe-716035

NorthReport
NDPP

Trump Marches Onward and Downward  -  by James Petras

https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/07/trump-marches-onward-and-downward/#mo...

"Journalists, academics, pundits and experts have ignored the complexity of President Trump's impact on the state of the US Empire. His policies have undermined allies, antagonized competitors and provoked retaliation. All of which increases the economic cost of running an empire..."

Pondering

On the first day of Trump's visit the Queen wore a brooch given to her by the Obamas.

On the second day on which she had tea with Trump she wore a brooch worn by the Queen Mother at King George VI's funeral.  

On the third day of Trump's visit she wore a brooch given to her by Canada in 2017.

NDPP

China, Russia Outpace Terrorism as Central Threat to US, Says Pentagon

http://www.dw.com/en/china-russia-outpace-terrorism-as-greatest-threat-t...

"The US has classified China and Russia as its main military competitors in a strategy document. Moscow has dismissed Washington's defense policy as 'imperialist', while China said it represented a 'Cold War mentality..."

NDPP

House Democrats Vote For Record US Military Spending

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/07/28/mili-j28.html

"By an overwhelming bipartisan vote Thursday, the US House of Representatives approved the largest military authorization bill in history. The NDAA approves $716 billion to fund US military aggression around the world..."

NDPP

Trump Betrays the Elite Sense that the US is Always Pure and Democracy Loving

https://spectator.us/2018/07/trump-betrays-the-elite-sense-that-the-us-i...

"Trump sees in America not a collection of exceptional political ideas, but a collection of business ventures..."

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/64RFtb48pB0

"Democrats join GOP to pass $708.1 B defense budget 2019."

NDPP

Latest Sanctions Against Russia Show Trump Not in Control of His Administration

https://on.rt.com/9c5a

"US President Donald Trump is not in control of his own administration as evidenced by the latest round of sanctions imposed against alleged involvement in the poisoning of the Skripals in the UK in March. It is clear that darker days are ahead for  Moscow - Washington relations..."

NDPP

Mattis: 'Putin is Trying To 'Undermine America's Moral Authority'

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50017.htm

"In reality, Russia is nothing more than a rival power structure that the US centralized empire wants to either collapse or absorb..."

NDPP

'ICC is Dead To Us': US to Use 'Any Means' to Shield Citizens & Allies From War-Crimes Probes

https://on.rt.com/9dzb

"The US will fight back using any means necessary if the International Criminal Court (ICC) ever dares to probe an American or Israeli, and will punish those who cooperate with war-crime investigators, John Bolton is set to announce. 'The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court,' Donald Trump's national security adviser, John Bolton is expected to say, according to a draft speech seen by Reuters.

The Trump administration will retaliate if the ICC proceeds with a formal investigation into alleged war-crimes committed by US forces in Afghanistan. The ICC is considering an official probe after it received 1.17 million allegations from Afghan citizens of atrocities at the hands of the Taliban, local security forces and warlords as well as the US-led coalition.

In addition, Bolton will vow to protect all American  allies from similar probes - in particular Israel, which is being accused of perpetrating war crimes against Palestinian civilians. 'The US will always stand with our friend and ally, Israel,' says Bolton's draft text. The potential US sanctions against judges, prosecutors and those who cooperate with such a probe might including banning these individuals from entering the US, freezing their assets, and trying them in American courts..."

A position prompted by consciousness of guilt.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..democracy now did a segment on the icc bolton thing.

John Bolton Threatens International Criminal Court Judges for Probing U.S. Torture in Afghanistan

quote:

JAMIL DAKWAR: Unprecedented attack on the rule of law. This is unheard of, that we have a government and a country that has committed acts of torture in another country, and the country itself, the United States, failed to hold any official accountable for acts of torture by the CIA, by the U.S. military, during the armed conflict in Afghanistan. And that happened during the Bush years and then Obama administration failed to take the comprehensive, thorough investigation into those acts and said, “We will look forward, not backward.”

And now we’re seeing the Trump administration doubling down on their assault on international law and human rights and impunity and fighting impunity by saying we will now go against the same body that is a last resort for victims of torture, that is the only international institution recognized as the one that is supposed to investigate and prosecute war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. And the Trump administration is saying, “We will be treating your judges and prosecutors like drug traffickers, like war criminals,” instead of admitting that there was a failure in holding officials accountable.

So John Bolton basically is the same John Bolton he was when he was in the Bush administration. He was the same one. He made destroying the court a lifetime project and goal. The difference now, he is in the place where he can do more than what he was doing in the Bush years. So it is a very dangerous attack on the international body where 123 countries are members—many of them are close U.S. allies, particularly in Europe—that is supposed to defend the independence of this body, and yet we see John Bolton perhaps wants to score points with the political base, people who are supporting Trump in the U.S. by invoking distorted and misinformation about the fact that the court is likely to investigate crimes that actually do not exist under the statute, under the law of the ICC.

So we’re in a very—the tipping point where the administration is basically saying, “We’re going to have a frontal attack on judges and prosecutors and personnel.” By the way, there is no legal theory to support that. I don’t understand what is it that, how is it that they would be prosecuting judges for the mere fact of conducting their job and responsibility under international treaty that is recognized, again, and ratified by 123 countries.

josh
Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Ruben Bolling's take on the "resistance" in the Trump administration.

NDPP

Thanks, a big laugh, especially the punch line at the end. 

Meet the Jews in the Trump Administration

https://www.timesofisrael.com/meet-the-jews-in-the-trump-administration/

NDPP

The Crazy Train Underground   

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/13/the-crazy-train-underground/

"...Notice how all these anonymous sources coming out of the White House woodwork to save America from Trump only hide papers and steal documents from his desk that would tempt him to do something actually useful. The fear that he might eliminate or even reduce military bases overseas and/or overturn NAFTA has united the Resistance's so-called left and right wings to ensure that the business of Empire remains impervious to the whims of the toddler Emperor.

When Dear Dotard wants to cut funding to the EPA, or withhold funds earmarked for the Palestinian territories, those brave members of the Crazy Train Underground are nowhere to be found..."

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Meet the Jews in the Trump Administration

Remember when AdBusters did the same thing?

To critique advertising of course.  Certainly not to name-and-shame any Jews!  Why would people keep claiming some kind of "Anti-Semitism" when it's clear that AdBusters is only critiquing advertising, as per their mandate?!

Didn't they go with yellow stars for the Juden, tho??

voice of the damned

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Meet the Jews in the Trump Administration

Remember when AdBusters did the same thing?

To critique advertising of course.  Certainly not to name-and-shame any Jews!  Why would people keep claiming some kind of "Anti-Semitism" when it's clear that AdBusters is only critiquing advertising, as per their mandate?!

Didn't they go with yellow stars for the Juden, tho??

Well, presumably, the Times Of Israel, with a largely Jewish audience, might think that their readers would be interested in knowing about Jews in the Trump administration. It's a little bit jingoistic, but not all that different from, say, Korean media giving outsized attention to Korean athletes playing for overseas teams.

Not sure how NDPP thought it connects to the discussion in the thread, though. The Bolling cartoon was using Jews as a metaphor for people harmed by Trump's policies, not talking about literal Jewish involvement in American politics.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Well, presumably, the Times Of Israel, with a largely Jewish audience, might think that their readers would be interested in knowing about Jews in the Trump administration. It's a little bit jingoistic, but not all that different from, say, Korean media giving outsized attention to Korean athletes playing for overseas teams.

Except that, absent any commentary to clarify, "Jews" in the Trump administration == "Zionists" in the Trump administration.  Probably similar to the difference between "Korean athletes playing for overseas teams" and "NORTH Korean athletes playing for overseas teams".

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Not sure how NDPP thought it connects to the discussion in the thread, though.

Does it need to?

What's the world coming to when a guy can't just doxx some Jews without getting the third degree about it?

Again, remember when that magazine all about the excesses of advertising decided to expand their scope and give some yellow stars to people of the Hebrew faith?  Named and shamed!

NDPP

Trump Authorized Offensive Cyber Operations, US National Security Advisor Says

https://sptnkne.ws/j9N8

"Bolton said Trump earlier in the day signed a new US cyber strategy that went into effect immediately..."

NDPP

UN-Friendly Meeting? What to Expect From Trump's 2018 UN Speech (and video)

https://on.rt.com/9evn

"We're going to make a speech, have many meetings, a lot of good things can happen,' the American president said in a newly released video, as he geared up for the upcoming UN General Assembly meeting in New York. His words may sound promising but are they realistic?"

voice of the damned

From the Craig Murray blog comments section, posted on the wikileaks thread...

When Bret Kavanaugh is confirmed, the deep state will be in the dock. Soros and his kids may be turned over to Hungary. The money for all the protests and election-rigging and whatever else Soros was funding will be gone. Clinton, Comey, Rice, Brennan and more, including Obama, will be facing serious sedition charges .

Yeah, Brett Kavanaugh, terror of the ruling elite!

Does the term "anti-globalist" have something to do with the fact that most people claiming the label don't even seem to be living on this planet?  

 

 

bekayne

NDPP

World Leaders Laugh as Trump Boasts of Accomplishments During UN Speech (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/9f03

"US President Donald Trump prompted unexpected laughs from leaders when he told the UN General Assembly that the American economy is 'booming like never before'. Trump said that he had accomplished more in two years than any administration ever had, but was surprised when the boast was met with laughter..."

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Clinton, Comey, Rice, Brennan and more, including Obama, will be facing serious sedition charges .

This speaks to what I think is kind of a new "thing" in politics:  the desire to move forward to a greater future by rehashing and avenging the past.

Seriously.  When Jimmy Carter was President, was his whole four years marked by strident calls to lock up Gerald Ford?

Back then, when you didn't win the election there was no need to, years later, lock you up just to show how far you'd fallen, or whatever.

Barack Obama literally can never serve as POTUS again, by law.  Why are so many people still so obsessed with seeing him punished, and for what?  Politics has become some bizarre Grade Seven schoolground vendetta.

NDPP

CrossTalk Bullhorns: Fighting Words

https://youtu.be/9wfsEZ4Hi2U

"Washington's ambassador to NATO threatens to 'take out' Russian missiles and the US Interior Secretary threatens a naval blockade of Russia. Is the Trump doctrine finally being revealed?"

NDPP

Time For the Sans-Culottes To Rise Up Against Washington's Insanity

https://iranian.com/2018/10/10/time-for-the-sans-culottes-to-rise-up-aga...

"...The time for talking politics is rapidly being rendered irrelevant by the speed of Washington's disengagement from reality and Americans of all political persuasions must begin to take to the streets to object to what their government is doing in their name. I am mildly optimistic that change is coming as I find it difficult to imagine that in spite of the relentless flood of mainstream media propaganda there is even a plurality of Americans that support with any actual conviction what the US is doing in Syria and what it intends to do in Iran..."

NDPP

The *liberal* wing of the establishment hates Trump because he rips the mask off what US really represents and makes it less palatable to sell. Trump and neocon marionette Haley expose US as a nakedly imperialist, hostile power that relies on total impunity and capitulation from the world."

https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin/status/1049843708219281408

MegB

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