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The Trump phenomenon 2

MegB
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Continued from here.


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mark_alfred
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/trump-is-finished-trumpisms-here-...

Good article by Wente.  She argues that Trump is finished, given that he's crazy and the majority can see this.  But the circumstances of his getting as far as he did do need to change.

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The greatest danger in his defeat would be if both Republicans and Democrats decide they were right all along, and don’t need to change. Because if they don’t, another Trump will come along. And the next one might not be crazy.


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I think that Trump originally got into the race to do a Newt Gingrich. He was a perennial candidate for President who usually made more in fundraising than he spent on campaigning while living the high life during the campaign. It is one of the ways that a politician can make money in their system. Money has corrupted their political system in a myriad of ways.

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In Presidential politics, winning is no longer everything.  

Especially for Newt Gingrich, who has used his run for President as a kind of savvy marketing campaign built around his political persona.

In the last five years the former Speaker of the House has lived a life of luxury built around his empire, including millions in private jet travel, paid for with donations to a political group he founded. Gingrich's lifestyle also includes a million-dollar home in suburban Washington and jewelry from Tiffany's.

"You can do very well by running for President," said Scott Reed, a Republican strategist. "You don't always have to win."  

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/newt-gingrich-win-make-money/story?id=1384...


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kropotkin1951 wrote:

I think that Trump originally got into the race to do a Newt Gingrich. He was a perennial candidate for President who usually made more in fundraising than he spent on campaigning while living the high life during the campaign. It is one of the ways that a politician can make money in their system. Money has corrupted their political system in a myriad of ways.

Well, there is a similarity, but the details differ. Gingrich was a small time grifter, looking for bigger marks to fleece for political donations which could be used to pay for his luxurious lifestyle. Trump, on the other hand, claimed to be worth $10 billion already, and promised to self fund his campaign. In his case, the scam was that he was increasing the value of his principal asset, his "brand". The price to put "Trump" in front of product X would hopefully increase significantly as a result of his campaign.


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Michael Moriarity wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I think that Trump originally got into the race to do a Newt Gingrich. He was a perennial candidate for President who usually made more in fundraising than he spent on campaigning while living the high life during the campaign. It is one of the ways that a politician can make money in their system. Money has corrupted their political system in a myriad of ways.

Well, there is a similarity, but the details differ. Gingrich was a small time grifter, looking for bigger marks to fleece for political donations which could be used to pay for his luxurious lifestyle. Trump, on the other hand, claimed to be worth $10 billion already, and promised to self fund his campaign. In his case, the scam was that he was increasing the value of his principal asset, his "brand". The price to put "Trump" in front of product X would hopefully increase significantly as a result of his campaign.

I wonder if, in the end, he might damage that brand more by this campaign.

If you take the number who presently say they would vote for him and remove those who are voting for him only becuase they dislike Clinton or he is the most right wing on the ballot and consider only those whose opinion of him has improved due to the campaign, I expect that it would be found that this was not worth the effort from a branding point of view.

Those who support Trump the Candidate would be open to his business brand, certainly, but were they before? And are they more likely to buy what he sells in business due to this campaign?

Those who do not support Trump the Candidate are they less likely to want to deal with Trump the business?

I suspect the second is more likely true than the former.

Opening yourself to almost daily examples of being proven unstable or a liar is not a great business branding strategy. Without having gained many people to his brand he may have limited its appeal to a subset of the general population.


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Yes, it is quite possible that Trump may have screwed himself. However, as H. L. Mencken said, "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."


Sean in Ottawa
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Michael Moriarity wrote:

Yes, it is quite possible that Trump may have screwed himself. However, as H. L. Mencken said, "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

This is true. But we are the crowd that believes in hope over fear, after all, so let's be optimistic and hope he screwed himself.


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As expected scumbag Trump's campaign is now going into major fail, so the racist bully is now flailing about looking for someone besides himself to blame. We haven't seen anything yet of the coming Trump ugliness.

Trump Says “Disgusting and Corrupt” Media Responsible for Weak Poll Numbers

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/14/trump_blames_disgustin...

 


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Trump’s Campaign Chief Listed in Ukraine Ledger Detailing Millions in Cash Payments

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/14/trump_campaign_chief_p...


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Trump is also expected to propose creating a new, ideological test for admission to the country that would assess a candidate's stances on issues like religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. Through questionnaires, searching social media, interviewing friends and family or other means, applicants would be vetted to see whether they support American values like tolerance and pluralism. 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-donald-trump-terrorism-speech-20160815-story.html 

 

 


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Duh!

As if that lets these right-wing racist shitheads off the hook.

Conservative Pundit Owns Up To Role In Trump’s Rise: We 'Created This Monster’

Charlie Sykes, the influential conservative talk radio host, has done some soul searching in the months since Donald Trump became the Republican Party standard-bearer, saying in a recent interview that he understands conservative media personalities have “created this monster.”

The Milwaukee radio host, who has been strongly anti-Trump, told Business Insider’s Oliver Darcy that conservative media talking heads, himself included, have “spent 20 years demonizing the liberal mainstream media.” While Sykes argued some of the criticism is “justifiable,” he said those years of attack have destroyed the credibility of media companies trying to fight Trump’s fact-proof campaign with deep reporting.

“When this is all over, we have to go back. There’s got to be a reckoning on all this,” Sykes said, according to an interview excerpt Darcy tweeted on Sunday. “We’ve created this monster.”

“And I am feeling, to a certain extent, that we are reaping the whirlwind at that. And I have to look in the mirror and ask myself, ‘To what extent did I contribute?’” he continued.

In response to Sykes remarks, conservative blogger Erick Erickson also took stock of his role fostering a movement that led to Trump’s candidacy.

“For some, like me, perhaps we pushed too hard on issues and held too many people to many promises we took more literally than we should. Perhaps we encouraged activists to have too little grace for others,” Erickson wrote at The Resurgent.

It’s worth reading the full excerpt, via Oliver Darcy:

 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charlie-sykes-conservative-media-c...


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Election Shift: From 'Mad as Hell' to 'Is Trump Qualified?'

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/15/election_shift_from...


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These 2 clowns are doing one hell of a job - they are about as useless as Trump is!

IVANKA AND JARED’S POWER PLAY

How the patrician couple came to have an outsized influence on a populist Presidential campaign.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/22/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kush...


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All he has to do is look in the mirror!

Biting the Hand That Fed Him

The Republican nominee long used the media to project his fairy tale self-image but now blames the industry for his flailing campaign.

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/biting-the-hand-that...


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The Republican party must be shambles to have allowed a scumbag like Trump be their presidential nominee!

Trump's new normal

The floundering Republican nominee packs his foreign policy speech with go-to half-truths and divisive policy ideas.



http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-clinton-moral-clarity-227023


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Trump’s damage has already been done: He has nurtured a generation of racist bullies

Win or lose, Trump has inspired a new wave of racial hostility in America, and capitalized on it


http://www.salon.com/2016/08/17/trumps-main-damage-has-already-been-done...


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Yet those who reduce Trumpism to a giant cultural yawp risk misinterpreting not only the data at hand, but also decades of research on how and why people vote.Survey data shows a strong connection between racial attitudes and Trump support. But economic anxiety also predicts Trump support, and it also correlates with racist attitudes. These factors make much more sense taken together rather than parceled out separately. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/19/stop-blaming-raci...


mark_alfred
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Just heard on the news that Trump got a new campaign manager.  From the clip on the news I gather that Trump will be taking a softer tone now.


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Just heard on the news that Trump got a new campaign manager.  From the clip on the news I gather that Trump will be taking a softer tone now.

Wrong.  His new campaign manager is Triumph, the insult comic dog.

I kind of want to make more jokes to accompany that, but you can probably make them for yourself, in your head.


mark_alfred
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An American rip-off of Ed the Sock.


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An International Disaster: Trump Has Shown His True Side, It's Time To Act

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/donald-trump-is-a-threat-to-th...


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mark_alfred wrote:

An American rip-off of Ed the Sock.

I scrolled down the page and saw your post and immediately thought you were talking about Trump. LOL! Misinterpreted but still funny.


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Curt Schilling Is the Next Donald Trump

November looks bad for the white-guy grievance movement, but new filterless dimwits wait in the wings

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/curt-schilling-is-the-next...


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Trump, who won the Republican primary in significant part because of a promise to deport all 11 million of America's illegal immigrants, is now musing publicly about allowing most of those people to stay."Incorrect descriptions of this: pivot, softening, moderating. Correct descriptions of this: 180, total reversal, flip-flop," Tim Alberta, chief political correspondent for the conservative National Review, wrote on Twitter. 

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/08/25/ann-coulter-fumes-as-donal...

Trump spokeswoman Katrina Pearson on CNN: "Trump hasn't changed his position on immigration, he has changed the words that he is saying." 


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