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The $5-billion figure is interesting, and I'd like to chase down the source. So far I see [url=http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/ukraine-revolution-usa-support-246/] Sophie Shevardandze interviewing Scott Rickard on Russia Today[/url] and asking the source of the figure. Rickard says it's public information and cites the National Endowment for Democracy. The [url=http://www.ned.org/where-we-work/eurasia/ukraine]NED page on Ukraine[/url] cites 60-something grants in 2013, of which 3 are in excess of $100,000 but below $1-million. The rest are all under $100,000. Most US aid flowds through the US Agency for International Development. [url=http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/usaid.html]USAID reports it has given $1.8-billion to Ukraine over the past 20 years[/url] and detailed breakdowns can be obtained. The [url=http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/fs/2013/212989.htm]Department of State figures[/url] show about $100-million per year. Various media reports show the US offering up to $350-million in military aid. The figures seem to be fully gone through, and the $5-billion clearly mostly pre-Maidan, via [url=http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-pos...

Much of this looks shady indeed, but the weight of evidence seems to be that the bulk of the $5-billion the US claims to have spent on Ukraine is pre-Maidan. 

NDPP

@ swallow

The source of the $5B is Nuland herself in a 2013 address to the US-Ukraine foundation at which she said the US had spent "over $5 billion since Ukraine's independence in 1991". There are some additional expenditures also cited during questions from a California Congressman, video of both items below. With a coup such as this, one should also assume a black budget for which obviously no publicly available figures are accessible. Additionally, internal Ukrainian sources, such as the Israeli-Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky are known to have funded various militias etc and it is documented that many of the Maidan protesters themselves were paid per-diems.

http://youtu.be/eaR1_an9CnQ

http://youtu.be/6TpZa4OMFVk

NDPP

DPR's Zakharchenko Speaks From 'The Cauldron'

http://youtu.be/sZ7pywE_RZk

 

Petroshenko's Cannon-Fodder Kids

http://youtu.be/2NllmQxBYVA

NDPP

Ukraine Invades Russia!

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/russia-was-invaded-by-one-million.html

"Russia was invaded by ONE MILLION Ukrainian men of military ages running from Poroshenko - official data. 'According to the Federal Migration Service there are 2 million 430 thousand citizens of Ukraine now in Russia, including 1 million, 172 thousand men of military age..."

 

Kramatorsk Locals To Ukraine Military: 'Leave Donbass Alone!'

http://youtu.be/kXufrTPd4VQ

 

What They're Not Telling You About Monsanto's Role in Ukraine

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/01/12/what-theyre-not-telling-you...

"The World Bank and IMF is helping biotech run the latest war in Ukraine. Will there be a takeover of Ukraine's farmland?"

Perhaps the removal of 'excess' Ukrainian population, especially if this additionally results in further pressure upon Russia, is not inconsistent with elite goals...

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

Just Another Nazi Torchlight Parade (and vid)

http://rt.com/in-motion/227779-ukraine-farright-torch-march/

Far right sector and volunteer 'Azov' Battalion, part of Ukraine's National Guard march through Odessa

You mean this battle of Kruty?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kruty

Gee, they were Nazis even before there were Nazis in Germany.

Quote:

 

As Bolshevik forces of about 4,000 men, commanded by Mikhail Muravyov, advanced toward Kiev, a small Ukrainian unit of 400 soldiers (about 300 of which were students), commanded by Captain Averkiy Honcharenko, was hastily organized and sent to the front. The small unit consisted mainly of the Student Battalion (Kurin) of Sich Riflemen, a unit of the Khmelnytsky Cadet School, and a Free Cossacks company. About half of the 400 men were killed during the battle, which lasted up to five hours.

The true story of the battle was hidden by the Soviet Government. Only recently, a monument was set up to commemorate the 80th anniversary of the Battle of Kruty

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One million Ukrainian troops invade Russia! Guess the Western media won't be reporting on that! lol.

Russia was invaded by one MILLION Ukrainian men of military age, hiding from Poroshenko - official data.

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More than one million male citizens of Ukraine, which is currently in the process of the fourth wave of mobilization, are already on the territory of the Russian Federation, which was declared by the resolution of Verkhovnaya Rada as the "aggressor".

The relevant data was reported at a press conference in Kiev by the founder of the Ukrainian sociological company Research & Branding Group, Yevgeny Kopatko.

"According to the Federal Migration Service there are 2 million 430 thousand citizens of Ukraine now in Russia, including 1 million 172 thousand men of military age".

Russian aggression ! Russian aggression! Polly wants a cracker! Squawk!

For a humorous aside ... the Tale of Brave Sir Robin.  Was he a Ukrainian conscript? Can't say as I'd blame him, mind you, ....

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US President admits to role in the overthrow of democratically elected Ukrainian government:

Confession time: the USA “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine"

It's monstrous for the USA to be overthrowing any government, given the horrific problems they have in their own country and the contempt for sovereignty shown by such a course of action. But it's good that the Chief Executive comes clean on such matters.

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NDPP

The Debaltseve Encirclement Complete: 9,000 Ukrainian Soldiers Trapped. Mercy Offered. (and vid)

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/debaltseve-encirclement-complete-...

Ghost Battalion Commander Alexey Moskovoy:

'I want to address all those who are fighting on both sides. We are, by and large, killing each other, instead of punishing those who deserve punishment.

We are supposedly fighting against the oligarchy, but for some reason we are killing each other. Does anyone still remember why we rose up? It seems that Ukraine is being governed by those against whom we rose up.

Is it not time to come to our senses, on both sides? Otherwise none of us soldiers will be left alive. While those against whom we should be fighting, they will live on.

Therefore I am turning to you once again: start thinking. Your brain ought to start working, not your grenade launcher. As long as weapons speak, there will be only death.

Turn your heads on!."  http://youtu.be/RFT6_KVd_ro

 

Ukraine: 'We Target Civilians'

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/ukraine-target-civilians-separati...

"Targeting of civilians is a central purpose of the US-funded Ukrainian campaign. They can die or else they can flee to Russia. Vladimir Putin wants Donbass to instead remain a part of Ukraine as a counter-weight against the rabidly anti-Russian voters in Ukraine's western regions. For Putin, Ukraine is like a nuclear Cuba was to America..."

 

The ideology of the New Ukraine

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/ideology-new-ukraine.html

"The ideology of the new post-coup Ukraine, is the ideology of its leaders. This ideology was best expressed in 2010 by Andrei Biletsky..."

 

 

Doug Woodard
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Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150201/1017625288.html

"US President Obama stated that the US took an active part in the Feb 2014 coup in Ukraine which installed pro-Western authorities."

 

'Thus Began The Slaughter': Debaltsevo and Its Consequences

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/thus-began-slaughter-debaltsevo-and-...

"...The 'Debaltsevo collapse' may be the straw that breaks the back of the Ukrainian armed forces. The consequences will likely include the overthrow of the entire Kiev regime. Instead of the plutocrats, oligarchs, the wave of popular displeasure may bring into power in Kiev, a purely totalitarian regime of Ukrainian Nazis."

 

Ukraine After Poroshenko - Analysis By Aleksandr Rodzhers

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/ukraine-after-poroshenko-analysis-by...

"Something big's hanging in Kiev's atmosphere, saturated as it is with intrigue, lies, paranoia and aggression. Something big, ready to burst...Overall, further support of the Junta by the US after Poroshenko's overthrow, will cause the US additional reputational losses and the EU's refusal to participate in this misadventure any longer."

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Here is a good analysis of the various fascist, Neo-Nazi, and other militias and their role in Ukraine:

Ukraine on her knees.

I really think Poroshenko's days are numbered as I predicted long ago. He better grab that Canadian or Israeli passport and run like hell. Perhaps his masters in Washington can find a nice spot in south Florida (very popular among the US-sponsored ex-terrorist crowd) or he can slum as a NY hipster along with his chum (and equally successful) ex-President Saakashvili of Georgia. Just a warning though; once the US doesn't find you useful, they may just quietly refuse to renew a passport ... something they did with Saakashvili. Very annoying if your former country has a warrant for your arrest. lol.

What will replace Poroshenko? Something really, really ugly. But what does the Empire care? If they can't have all of Ukraine then, clearly, they're happy with destroying the country. And then make the Russians pay to clean the mess up.

Hence blame, blame, blame, blame Russia.

Failed states. The shining legacy of Western "right to intervene" and other monstrous ideas. Here Libya, there Afghanistan, oh and there Ukraine.

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Ukrainian newspaper Vesti reported on January 26 that the Right Sector started to form a new battalion with the goal to ‘protect the capital [Kiev] in the case of emergency situation.’

Taking the threat seriously, the government started to accumulate its own forces in Kiev, bringing them from the frontlines of the Anti-Terrorist Operation, as the war with the separatists is called in Ukraine.

If President Poroshenko is overthrown in the spring and some ataman comes to power, Ukraine has a very good chance to turn into another Libya or Somalia right at the doorstep of Europe. There are already a few dozen right-wing volunteers from Europe, Canada and the US fighting in the ranks of Ukrainian paramilitary battalions.

 

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That guy is impressive. You can just imagine how good leaders can inspire the troops, raise morale, and help the resistance win. In this case, there was the sound of sniper fire, everyone ducked, including the interviewer.

Not Zakharchenko. He didn't even flinch.

So, he's ready for his own death ... and, in the same breath, offers an amnesty and a trip home to all the Ukrainian soldiers who surrender.

IMHO, that's a very admirable and rare combination of views.

Where are such heroes on the other side? Are there any? I wonder.

 

NDPP

Hactivist Leak Alleges 'Extortion and Money Laundering' by Ukraine's Right Sector Leader

http://rt.com/news/228387-ukraine-hacktivists-leak-yarosh/

"Anti-Kiev hacking group CyberBerkut has released legal documents allegedly obtained from the office of Ukrainian far-right politician and warlord Dmitry Yarosh, which it claims implicates him in a host of economic crimes.

'We are publishing documents that expose the criminal activities of the head of Ukrainian neo-Nazis, which confirm multiple incidences of extortion - the illegal and cynical seizure of properties and businesses belonging to Ukrainian citizens by Yarosh and his associates. The stolen money is then taken out of the country through fronts and deposited in off-shore accounts.

Now everyone will know that Yarosh and his band of neo-Nazis are just using politics as a cover for their criminal activities and personal enrichment at the expense of ordinary Ukrainians."

 

George Soros and Bernard Henri Levy: The World Must Aid the Ukraine

http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2015/01/27/george-soros-and-bernard-henri-...

"They write about a 'new Ukraine' that is forming, free from the corruption of the past and reminiscent of the Georgian reforms in the mid-90s. The transformation has been a rare experiment in participatory democracy, a noble adventure of a people who have rallied to open their nation to modernity, democracy and Europe, and this is just the beginning..."

If you are moved dear reader to contribute a little something on top of the  +$400M of your tax dollars Stephen Harper has already donated on your behalf,  please make all cheques payable to President Petro Poroshenko.. [or if you prefer Right Sector's Dmitry Yarosh]

NDPP

US Greenlight For War in Ukraine - by Finian Cunningham

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/02/02/395812/US-green-light-for-war-i...

"US top diplomat John Kerry has announced his refusal to meet with separatist leaders in eastern Ukraine. In the context of fraught peace talks between the warring sides, that's an American green-light for more ethnic cleansing of the pro-Russian population carried out by the neo-Nazi Kiev regime..."

 

Letter of the Living: An Open Letter to Angela Merkel From Veterans of the Battle of Stalingrad

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/six-veterans-of-stalingrad-write-ope...

"Dear Frau Merkel,

Here, in the 70th year after the victory over Nazism, we, veterans of that terrible war and participants in that most horrible combat, are aware that a spectre is again haunting Europe, a spectre of the Brown Plague.

This time it is Ukraine that has become the nursery of Nazism, where from the fountainhead of an ideology of ultra-nationalism, anti-semitism, and inhumaneness, there have come into practice rejections of other cultures, physical violence, elimination of dissenters, and murders motivated by ethnic hatred.

Before us stand familiar pictures: torchlight parades, thugs in nazi-emblemed uniforms, upraised right hands in the Nazi salute, fascist processions with police protection through the center of Kiev, of the imposition, on certain people, of second-class status. We have seen all this before and we know where it leads..."

 

 

NDPP

Ukrainian Border Sealed To Hold 80% Of Men Fleeing Mobilization - Minister of Defence

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/ukrainian-border-sealed-to-hold-80-o...

"All regions of Ukraine managed to recruit only 20% of the necessary number of soldiers during mobilization. This was stated by the Minister of Defence of Ukraine, Stepan Poltorak. He proposed to limit the travel abroad of all men ages 18 to 60 years old...

How does the Ukrainian government think they have a mandate to wage war if 80% of males and probably more women, are against it?

 

'Sustainable Ukraine Demarcation Line Must Reflect Realities on the Ground

http://rt.com/op-edge/228423-ukraine-ceasefire-demarcation-line/

"...With civilians living close to the battle zone at constant risk of being shelled by the Ukrainian army, the east is demanding an immediate ceasefire - and a change to the existing 'contact line' stipulated in the Minsk agreement. The republics want the new demarcation line to correspond with their latest push against the Ukrainian army besieging their capitals - relecting realities on the ground.

They say otherwise more civilians will die..."

 

Strelkov Versus Starikov Debate (and vid)

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/must-watch-strelkov-vs-starikov...

A very high quality debate between Igor Strelkov and Nikolas Starikov - the war in Ukraine and its implications are debated.

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Oh look, a column of imaginary pro-Russian armor (note the flags) not from Russia... 8-/ 

More t-72B1 and BM tanks with a mix of older and more current BMP2s and 3s as well...

NDPP

Whatever they are I hope they will help destroy Nazism in Ukraine and American imperialism too. Viva Novorossiya!

NDPP

March To Folly in Ukraine  -  by Eric Margolis

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40862.htm

"The United States has just made an exceptionally dangerous even reckless decision over Ukraine. A massive propaganda campaign is underway, villifying Russia's president Vladimir Putin as 'the new Hitler'.

Only fools and the ignorant can have believed that tough Vlad Putin would allow Ukraine's new rightist regime to join NATO and hand one of Russia's most vital bases and major exit south, to the western alliance.

So now it appears that Washington's economic warfare over Ukraine is going to turn military..."

NDPP

Brookings Wants More Villages Firebombed in Ukraine's 'Anti-Terrorist Operation'

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/brookings-wants-villages-firebomb...

"Brookings urged 'providing direct military assistance - in far larger amounts than provided to date and including lethal defensive arms. The US should provide Ukraine $1B in military assistance as soon as possible in 2015, followed by additional tranches of $1B in FY 2016 adn FY2017."

 

A Letter From Kiev - One Year After Maidan

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/letter-kiev-one-year-maidan.html

"Writing this today, I am coming from a funeral that was an indirect result of Maidan. An 84 year old woman, my neighbor, committed suicide a few days ago. She hadn't received her pension in 7 months..."

NDPP

BREAKING : Hundreds Try to Storm Ukrainian President's Office in Kiev (and vid)

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150203/1017721931.html

"Demonstrators have reportedly tried to storm the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's office in Kiev Tuesday. The protesters demand access to the Ukrainian administration's conference room to make a TV statement..."

 

Joint Press Conference: DPR PM Zakharchenko and LPR PM Plotnitsky (and vid)

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/joint-press-conference-of-dpr-p...

Minsk Agreement and Cauldron

 

Developments on the Novorossiyan Front Today (and vid)

http://libya360.wordpress.com/2015/02/02/developments-in-the-novorossiya...

Appeal to the People From Alexei Mosgovoi:

"But today I would like to appeal to the ordinary people...We cannot continue to wage a guerrilla war, we cannot remain a debating club, talking with people from whose territory, we are under fire. Those in power led by Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, Turchinov and Kolomoisky are people who believe they are exempt from the law, who impose extortionate taxes and anti-human laws, destroy the Ukrainian nation, destroy people.

For our part, we are ready to help our brotherly people. We pledge a united front to overthrow this evil, whose true face is obvious to everyone. Today we are ready to help liberate Ukraine.."

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Democracy Now interviews Stephen Cohen

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Historians will look back—assuming there are historians to look back, because both sides are now mobilizing their nuclear weapons, as well. Russia has already said that if it is faced with overwhelming force on its borders, it will use tactical nuclear weapons. They’re nuclear small, but they’re nuclear weapons. When is the last time you heard a great power say that? We say—Obama, our president, says, "We’re modernizing our nuclear weapons." What does that mean? We’re redeploying them, pointing them even more at Russia. Why is this happening in the United States? I don’t know. I think there’s a lot of factors mixed in, a kind of ideological hangover from the old Cold War. But the demonization of Putin has become so extreme in this country, I do not recall—and I entered this field back in the '60s—the United States ever demonizing a Soviet communist leader the way our leaders do—Obama, Mrs. Clinton referring to him as a Hitler. Look, if Putin is Hitler, clearly we have to go to war. That's the logic, is it not? Is it not? And where are the voices that say this is crazy? He may be a Russian nationalist. He may be threatening. But Hitler?

NDPP

Brokered It & Broke It: Obama on Kiev Deal (and vid)

http://youtu.be/GeV9grU6ERM

"The Ukrainians expression of free will didn't come without a nudge from Washington after all - in an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria, Barack Obama acknowledged that the US had 'brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine.'

NDPP

Ukraine Never To Become a Federation: Poroshenko

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/02/03/396030/Ukraine-never-to-become-...

"Ukraine will never be a federation, it will remain a unitary state', Poroshenko told reporters in the northeastern city of Kharkiv on Tuesday. He also claimed that 83% of Ukrainians are against adopting the federal system of government, saying he is ready 'to put this matter to a referendum' to substantiate his claim."

 

Uglegorsk Residents Evacuated By Militias From Town Destroyed by UAF Grads (and vid)

http://youtu.be/5MuPIBg7-d0

 

swallow swallow's picture

NDPP wrote:

@ swallow

The source of the $5B is Nuland herself in a 2013 address to the US-Ukraine foundation at which she said the US had spent "over $5 billion since Ukraine's independence in 1991". There are some additional expenditures also cited during questions from a California Congressman, video of both items below. With a coup such as this, one should also assume a black budget for which obviously no publicly available figures are accessible. Additionally, internal Ukrainian sources, such as the Israeli-Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky are known to have funded various militias etc and it is documented that many of the Maidan protesters themselves were paid per-diems.

http://youtu.be/eaR1_an9CnQ

http://youtu.be/6TpZa4OMFVk

Yes. And as I said,  the weight of evidence seems to be that the bulk of the $5-billion the US claims to have spent on Ukraine is pre-Maidan. That isn't a disagreement with what you've said, by the way, unless you are claiming that this $5-billion was all spent by Obama toppling a previous Kyiv regime. 

NDPP

Mission Imperative: Why the West and Kiev Regime Must Kill the Truth

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/02/mission-imperative-why-...

"The detention, incommunicado, of 2 Russian journalists over the weekend by Kiev's secret police, the SBU, was said to be on the grounds of 'national security'. Any truth being reported about the nature of the Western-backed Kiev regime and its military onslaught in eastern Ukraine is indeed a very real 'security threat.'

 

Call-Up Papers Burned and Ukrainian Patrols Blocked in Odessa Region

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/bessarabian-rebels-take-ukrainian.html

"Hundreds of residents have captured an armed group of military representatives and publicly burned all the call-up papers in the village square..."

NDPP

War in the Ukraine  -  by Alexander Mercouris

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/war-in-ukraine.html

"My key point is that it is not minor tactical movements that are determining the course of this war. It is the level of casualties the Ukrainian military is suffering. They were hammered in the summer and they are being hammered again now. The Ukrainian military simply cannot go on with losses at a rate of several hundred a week.

To understand why the Russians have given up hope of a negotiated solution consider Poroshenko's latest statement today. Even as the situation collapses around him, he is continuing to reject calls for federalisation, and is continuing to say that the Ukraine will remain a unitary state.

As I have stated previously, the ideological and political nature of the junta makes no further response possible and anyone who thinks the junta will voluntarily agree to a compromise is fooling himself. I am not going to say anything about what looks like a gathering political crisis because there are others who understand it better than me..."

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swallow wrote:

NDPP wrote:

@ swallow

The source of the $5B is Nuland herself in a 2013 address to the US-Ukraine foundation at which she said the US had spent "over $5 billion since Ukraine's independence in 1991". There are some additional expenditures also cited during questions from a California Congressman, video of both items below. With a coup such as this, one should also assume a black budget for which obviously no publicly available figures are accessible. Additionally, internal Ukrainian sources, such as the Israeli-Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky are known to have funded various militias etc and it is documented that many of the Maidan protesters themselves were paid per-diems.

http://youtu.be/eaR1_an9CnQ

http://youtu.be/6TpZa4OMFVk

Yes. And as I said,  the weight of evidence seems to be that the bulk of the $5-billion the US claims to have spent on Ukraine is pre-Maidan. That isn't a disagreement with what you've said, by the way, unless you are claiming that this $5-billion was all spent by Obama toppling a previous Kyiv regime. 

That is exactly what he and others here keep implying despite any evidence that shows otherwise.

6079_Smith_W

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

That is exactly what he and others here keep implying despite any evidence that shows otherwise.

Despite some of us pointing it out repeatedly, with documentation, for months now. Just like every other one of these fake claims, it continues to be repeated as the U.S.  buying a coup with $5 billion.

Trying to remember which of these fucking multiple whack-a-mole was the last place I linked to it. Maybe it was in the "World marvels as V.V. Putin takes a magnificent dump" thread. But it was just two or three days ago.

 

NDPP

The $5B figure is pre-Maidan as stated nor have I claimed it all spent by USA post Maidan etc. Also please note Obama has conceded  the regime change was arranged by Washington. There was no 'repeated documentation' of this. Mine is the first.

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

Also please note Obama has conceded  the regime change was arranged by Washington.

Really? What did he say, exactly. That they grabbed Yanukovich, threw him in the back of a cab and drove him out of town?

Here's the interview:

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-fareed-zakari...

Because this sounds like another one of ikosmos's assassination threats under the bed to me.

 

NDPP

Ukraine's Canada-Supported Nazi Military Shells Hospital in Donetsk (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/229195-shell-hits-hospital-donetsk/

"There are multiple casualties at the hospital. A preliminary count says more than 15 people were killed."

 

Launch of Ballistic Missile Tochka U (and vid)

https://truthinukraine.wordpress.com/2015/02/02/launch-of-a-ballistic-mi...

"Ukraine Army launched a ballistic missile Tochka U (NATO classified SS-21 Scarab A) The missile was hit by air defense units on the outskirts of Luhansk.."

 

Ukraine: NATO Shells Being Used in Ukraine (and vid)

http://www.ruptly.tv/vod/view/20357/ukraine-nato-shells-being-used-in-uk...

 

As well as White Phosphorous, OSCE has confirmed use of cluster bombs against civilians. It seems none of these barbaric warcrimes cause any problems for Nazi supporters who only raise such issues when attempting to blame Novorossia.

 

NDPP

OK. So Nazi supporters here also deny any US involvement in any regime change operation to force Yanukovych out. Right... Gotcha. You're entitled to your own opinions. History may however decide against you...

Washington's Ukraine Agenda Could Potentially Precipitate Humanity into WWIII  - by Stephen Lendman

http://sjlendman.blogspot.ca/2015/02/washingtons-ukraine-agenda-risks-ww...

"Washington planned and implemented Kiev's coup..."

 

Ukraine Crisis: Transcript of Leaked Nuland-Pyatt Call (and vid)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

 

Obama admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150201/1017625288.html

 

Lavrov Says Obama's Remarks Prove Direct US Involvement in Ukraine Coup

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150202/1017657515.html

 

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

OK. So Nazi supporters here

I'm a Nazi supporter now, NDPP? That's about as original as everything else you seem to be posting.

What's with the links? Did you not read my question, and can you not speak for yourself?

I might also ask, have you even been following events in Ukraine that you don't know what was being brokered? It was in the news, and it actually was necessary because Yanukovich's government had fallen apart before the process began.  I am not sure what you think the U.S. plot was supposed to have been, because you haven't actually offered up any real information beyond mis-readings of statements.

And you need to be walked through that Nuland-Pyatt phone call yet again? How many months have we been doing this?

 

NDPP

There was a US-backed regime change  Smith. The Nazis took power. You support them. I do not. I am not interested in arguing the earth is not flat with you. No sale.

NDPP

04-02-2015 Military Report Novorossia (and vid)

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/04022015-military-report-of-nov...

 

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

NDPP wrote:

OK. So Nazi supporters here

As compared to the lunatic fringed nationalist Kremlin imperialist supporters here?Tongue out

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

There was a US-backed regime change  Smith. The Nazis took power. You support them. I do not. I am not interested in arguing the earth is not flat with you. No sale.

If you want to talk flat earth, what do you base that statement on? Nothing, because there is no foundation for it.

To walk you through it yet again, the deal Obama referred to was for early elections after Yanukovich's prime minister quit and Yatseniuk refused a request to take his place. Yanukovich was a signator to it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26289318

Quote:

The opposition leaders who signed the deal were booed and called traitors by a crowd in Independence Square, the focal point of the protests

A couple of days later Yanukovich decides to skip town, and the Rada - not the white house - chose a provisional government. There have been parliamentary and presidential elections since then. Sorry, but despite the ravings of global research and RT, you do not know what you are talking about.

I cannot believe we are still revisiting stuff that happened a year ago.

NDPP

The US Arming of Ukraine and the Danger of World War III

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/02/03/pers-f03.html

"US arms supplies to Ukraine would be - and that can be taken almost literally - a declaration of war against Russia..."

6079_Smith_W

That's it then?

Back to posting bullshit articles, and no response to a request to back up any of your claims until next time you call someone a Nazi supporter?

I can see why you are always johnny on the spot when it comes to criticizing the mods for calling people on personal attacks. Not a fucking word when it comes to backing up the shit you sling at people.

 

 

Slumberjack

It's obvious to me that with Smith and BEC and a few others, we're either witness to Babble's version of the Flat Earth Society, or a demostration from the graduating class of the Sgt. G. Shultz School of Observational Technique.

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Slumberjack wrote:

It's obvious to me that with Smith and BEC and a few others, we're either witness to Babble's version of the Flat Earth Society, or a demostration from the graduating class of the Sgt. G. Shultz School of Observational Technique.

I mean really, you have no room to talk about anybody elese's observation skills here.

And oh by the way the earth is a Oblate SpheroidTongue out

NDPP

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

And oh by the way the earth is a Oblate SpheroidTongue out

I always suspected it was all a Catholic conspiracy...Surprised

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

I always suspected it was all a Catholic conspiracy...Surprised

Actually it's a bugs bunny conspiracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

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Anyway, we all agree that the US did not spend $5-billion to topple a previous Ukrainian government. So that's something. 

NDPP

Europe Not Russia Pressured Kiev Over EU Association Agreement - Former Ukrainian PM (audio)

http://rt.com/news/229355-ukraine-eu-washington-russia

"The violent Euromaidan riots, which led to a regime change in Ukraine in early 2014, were masterminded by the US, while the EU pressured Kiev to sign the association agreement, Nikolay Azarov Ukraine's former prime minister said. He has written a book detailing the events.

The ex PM also said that he doesn't consider the new Ukrainian powers led by President Petro Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be legitimate. 'How can I consider this a legitimate authority if it came to power through an armed coup, committed monstrous crimes and now continues a fratricidal war?'

NDPP

John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-...

"Jonathan Hay ran the day-to-day operations of the Russia Project. He was found guilty of violating three counts of the False Claims Act and was debarred from serving in USAID.

But he's managed to resurface in Ukraine, working in the local operation of a Polish think tank [CASE Ukraine]. Nicely played. Funding for CASE Ukraine appears to come from governments and government banks. They include Hay's alma mater, USAID, plus the CANADIAN and UK agenices, the European Commission, the European Bank for Reconsruction and Development, the World Bank, Several Ukrainian government organs, and FREEDOM HOUSE, a ferociously anti-Russian think-tank based in Washington DC..."

Welcome to the People's Revolution...

6079_Smith_W

I can understand why he'd say they aren't legitimate considering they have an Interpol warrant out for his arrest.

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/243934.html

And he's going to have to flog a lot of books to make up his old salary.

 

NDPP

We Support Ukrainian Anti Fascists

http://www.facebook.com/SupportAntiF

"We call on PM Harper to reconsider his support for the illegitimate government in Kiev.."

 

How the February Coup in Kiev was Plotted and Arranged By the US

http://ian56.blogspot.ca/2015/01/how-february-coup-in-kiev-was-plotted.html

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Yes, the people of Ukraine couldn't have done it without the good 'ol USA doing it for them... Undecided

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