Is the US and its NATO "allies" planning to attack Russia and start World War III?

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NDPP

...especially 'smart ass faux left'. I see no indications of left, smart, faux or otherwise...

Webgear

Slumberjack wrote:

You mean there's no debating any of these descriptions?

If the description is accurate then call a spade a spade. Stop pussyfooting around the calling out someone. 

Webgear

Don't worry NDPP, I doubt anyone here would think you are smart.

6079_Smith_W

Slumberjack wrote:

You mean there's no debating any of these descriptions?

No, actually, there isn't.

That is to say, there is no debating the fact they are completely out of order.

I notice there are a few who think it is their job to play judge, root out traitors, and pass sentence over fellow posters. But that's not actually their place to do so.

Sorry, but you'll have to limit yourself to talking about actual topics.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

You guys are hilarious. This thread is full of a wide variety of different sorts of evidence for US plans, not dissimilar to Napolean or Hitler, to attack Russia. The evidence is in their own first strike policy, in the kinds of weapons they continue to develop and deploy in Europe, in the transparent lies they tell about these weapons, in their endless violations of treaty obligations, in their contemptuous attempts to police the whole world, jackboot style, in their inciting of conflict in Ukraine, in their 1000 or more military bases OUTSIDE the territory of the USA, in their attempt to dictate to the whole world their barbaric view of right and wrong, in their President who sees nothing wrong with extra-judicial killing, even of their own citizens, from aerial and drone atrocities, to their revolting torture chambers, outside all norms of international law in Guantanama, etc, etc, etc,  and all you do is shove your fingers in your ears and yell, "What plans? We don't need no stinking plans!"

 

 

Webgear

Ohh my god, RT news has reported that the Russians have just early this summer fired Ballistic Missiles in preparation for war. Maybe the Russians are conducting their own "Black Flag" operations to draw the world in WW3.

http://rt.com/news/163068-iskander-missile-shooting-exercise/  

Webgear

Russia's deployed nuclear capacity overtakes US for first time since 2000 

 

http://rt.com/news/193604-russia-nuclear-capacity-start/ 

 

Those are equipped with Bulava missiles – widely considered one of the most expensive projects in Russia's military history – which, after problem-plagued gestation, have finally been deemed ready for deployment.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has recently boasted that the supersonic missiles, which can rapidly change their trajectory, cannot be shot down by any missile defense system in the world, however sophisticated.

Russia has also invested in mobile Yars systems, and there are plans to revive the nuclear missile trains common in Soviet times. 

 

RT news is reporting this, it must be true.

Webgear

http://rt.com/news/military-budget-russia-2020/

First and foremost, Russian defense will focus on the development of strategic nuclear weapons, construction of over 100 military vessels for Russian Navy, including construction of four originally French-made Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, and the introduction into the Air Force of over 1,000 helicopters and 600 military planes, including fifth generation PAK-FA fighter.

 

RT nes is reporting this, it must be true. 

iyraste1313

"The United States may be a agressive imperialist power, but I see no evidence that it's suicidal."

What is in fact suicidal is the US oligarch control of the global capitalist financial system leading to utter collapse.

I'm not surprised that generally progressives are totally unaware of the economic and financial forces underlying the political and military.

There is growing evidence that last week saw the piercing of the greatest and last capitalist bubble, and unless somehow the powers that be that control the centres of financial capital in New York, London, Zurich? can save the system once again with another bout of money printing, the panic that we witnessed in the global stock exchanges last Thursday will become general and final!

(QE of course essentially means transfers of any value of money from the tax payer to the oligarch's investment scams).

So the present schemes to weaken  Russia economically through the proxy armies of ISIS to destroy the independence of Syria, thereby rerouting mideast natural gas to the consumer centres of Europe, bypassing Russia...likewise the attempts to gain control of the Slavyansk natural gas fields to replace  Russian gas...

These economic regional military confrontations easily can get out of control. especially as the oligarchs of capitalism become ever more desperate...

NDPP

Igor Strelkov Replies to Mikhail Khodorkovsky

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/10/igor-strelkov-replies-to-mikhai...

"Make no mistake there is a war going on. This war has many 'fronts', including, of course, the one between Novorossia and Banderastan, but there are many more.

In fact, this is the first truly 'planetary war' and there are 'fronts' everywhere..."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Igor Strelkov Replies to Mikhail Khodorkovsky

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/10/igor-strelkov-replies-to-mikhai...

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition

Slumberjack

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Slumberjack wrote:

You mean there's no debating any of these descriptions?

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No, actually, there isn't.  That is to say, there is no debating the fact they are completely out of order.

Well, I don't know about that.  There is the great 'lidless eye' as ikosmos puts it, that people seem ok to line up behind without asking too many questions.  There is this consistent ready-aye-ready attitude whenever the 'eye' casts its gaze about for another victim to attack, if its even acknowledged at all that this description is similar to what generally occurs.

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But that's not actually their place to do so.

Sometimes there's no getting around the fact that a spade is a spade.  Mentioning or not mentioning it doesn't change that it is.

Red Winnipeg

ikosmos wrote:

You guys are hilarious. This thread is full of a wide variety of different sorts of evidence for US plans, not dissimilar to Napolean or Hitler, to attack Russia. The evidence is in their own first strike policy, in the kinds of weapons they continue to develop and deploy in Europe, in the transparent lies they tell about these weapons, in their endless violations of treaty obligations, in their contemptuous attempts to police the whole world, jackboot style, in their inciting of conflict in Ukraine, in their 1000 or more military bases OUTSIDE the territory of the USA, in their attempt to dictate to the whole world their barbaric view of right and wrong, in their President who sees nothing wrong with extra-judicial killing, even of their own citizens, from aerial and drone atrocities, to their revolting torture chambers, outside all norms of international law in Guantanama, etc, etc, etc,  and all you do is shove your fingers in your ears and yell, "What plans? We don't need no stinking plans!"

 

 

I suppose, according to that long list of "evidence," that one could also "logically" conclude that the USA is about to attack China, North Korea, Mexico, Canada, India, Seychelles, and the Canary Islands...just after the USA finishes attacking the three closest planets to Earth.

MegB

Webgear wrote:

MegB wrote:

Do I need to remind everyone that personal insults and petty snipes diminish the discussion ?

Really? Because ikosmos has pretty much attempted to eliminate all forms of discussion in this thread and has been pretty much implied that all other posters in this thread are "school boys", "juvenile", "brainwashed", "zombie like", "smart ass faux left ", "two-faced Yanquis and "parrots". 

 

Do you really want to set the bar that low?

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

Igor Strelkov Replies to Mikhail Khodorkovsky

"revolution from above"

So that's what they call it.

It really is worth reading both of those, despite the length. Especially the part where Shooter starts going on about western Marxism and Catholicism, and Russia being saved by orthodoxy, and "Christ's light of belief", then calls Khordorkovsky (who is half Jewish) and other oligarchs "footmen of Rothschilds"

 

Webgear

MegB wrote:

Webgear wrote:

MegB wrote:

Do I need to remind everyone that personal insults and petty snipes diminish the discussion ?

Really? Because ikosmos has pretty much attempted to eliminate all forms of discussion in this thread and has been pretty much implied that all other posters in this thread are "school boys", "juvenile", "brainwashed", "zombie like", "smart ass faux left ", "two-faced Yanquis and "parrots". 

 

Do you really want to set the bar that low?

I believe the bar has been set that low, and the lack of moderation by yourself and others has allowed ikosmos achieve to surpass that level in spades. 

 

6079_Smith_W

Webgear, how about not pointing fingers at the person who is trying to solve the problem? She just warned ikosmos for the same thing not too long ago, but is it any surprise that personal attack cuts across all sides of discussions? I think this approach is a bit better than trying to cancel out someone else's personal attack by doing the same thing.

It should be simple, really. Let's talk about the subject at the top of the page, not each other.

 

Slumberjack

There are plenty of non-endearing qualities about Putin's Russia, just as the same can obviously be said about Europe and North America.  All the same, it doesn't mean that by default one has to stooge for Russia, or on behalf of the Western branch of the corporate imperium with the type of vigor we're often witness to.

MegB

Webgear wrote:

MegB wrote:

Webgear wrote:

MegB wrote:

Do I need to remind everyone that personal insults and petty snipes diminish the discussion ?

Really? Because ikosmos has pretty much attempted to eliminate all forms of discussion in this thread and has been pretty much implied that all other posters in this thread are "school boys", "juvenile", "brainwashed", "zombie like", "smart ass faux left ", "two-faced Yanquis and "parrots". 

 

Do you really want to set the bar that low?

I believe the bar has been set that low, and the lack of moderation by yourself and others has allowed ikosmos achieve to surpass that level in spades. 

 

And yet when I moderate with a heavier hand I'm accused of being on a power trip, being biased, etc. Can you all not resolve your issues with each other on your own? That would allow me to do things that enhance the site and not spend so much time monitoring babblers. No one wants to be a behavior Nazi. It sucks.

Webgear

MegB wrote:

Webgear wrote:

MegB wrote:

Webgear wrote:

MegB wrote:

Do I need to remind everyone that personal insults and petty snipes diminish the discussion ?

Really? Because ikosmos has pretty much attempted to eliminate all forms of discussion in this thread and has been pretty much implied that all other posters in this thread are "school boys", "juvenile", "brainwashed", "zombie like", "smart ass faux left ", "two-faced Yanquis and "parrots". 

 

Do you really want to set the bar that low?

I believe the bar has been set that low, and the lack of moderation by yourself and others has allowed ikosmos achieve to surpass that level in spades. 

 

And yet when I moderate with a heavier hand I'm accused of being on a power trip, being biased, etc. Can you all not resolve your issues with each other on your own? That would allow me to do things that enhance the site and not spend so much time monitoring babblers. No one wants to be a behavior Nazi. It sucks.

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Webgear, get your head out of the ground. We both know that the US, and its vassals in NATO (or whatever you want to call those states that follow US-diktat) by virtue of membership in the agressive military alliance, continues to have AN OFFICIAL POLICY OF THE FIRST STRIKE USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

This sort of policy can't be defended except by Russophobic arm-waving in which noisy statements to the effect that "the Rooooooooooooooooooskies can't be trusted!" and other Xenophobic claims. No other country claims the right to use violence, without the consultation of other states or the UN, at its own discretion, besides the current regime in the USA.

And they have had these policies for decades. Official policy of the legitimacy of first strike nuclear war. The haughty hubris of an Empire beyond common sense.

6079_Smith_W

So what?

That's no different that Russia. More important is that both have committed to only use the weapons in case of invasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:
So what?

That's no different that Russia.

i call BS. The US withdrew from the ABM Treaty so they could develop a "missile shield" and conduct a first strike. Why else did they do that?

6079_Smith_W

Ummm.... because they didn't want anyone attacking them, maybe? Aside from the fact you are just guessing, you are still a long way from them planning an attack.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Ummm.... because they didn't want anyone attacking them, maybe? Aside from the fact you are just guessing, you are still a long way from them planning an attack.

No, Smith, it's all part of the way the U.S. government subsidizes the research costs of its high tech industries. I agree with prof Postol who thinks these anti-missile systems will never work well enough to be useful. It's just gravy on the pork, pure and simple.

6079_Smith_W

*headslap*

Michael. Yes, you are right, but do we need another tangent?

No, I am not a fan of star wars, Reagan style or Bush style. Yes it feeds the munitions industry.

And in fact it (Reagan's version) probably did help bring down the Soviet Union, not by firing missiles at it, but rather by forcing them to do the same.

And while I don't believe Bush's excuse for withdrawing was the only reason, even it makes a bit more sense than the assumption that it was step one in an attack on Russia.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

The U.S. Army Operating Concept

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With US politicians and the American media engaged in an increasingly acrimonious debate over the strategy guiding the latest US war in the Middle East, the United States Army has unveiled a new document entitled the Army Operating Concept (AOC), which provides a “vision of future armed conflict” that has the most ominous implications. It is the latest in a series of documents in which the Pentagon has elaborated the underlying strategy of preventive war that was unveiled in 1992—that is, the use of war as a means of destroying potential geopolitical and economic rivals before they acquire sufficient power to block American domination of the globe.

The document was formally released at this week’s Association of the United States Army (AUSA) conference, an annual event bringing together senior officers and Defense Department officials for a series of speeches and panel discussions, along with a giant trade show mounted by arms manufacturers to show off their latest weapons systems and pursue lucrative Pentagon contracts.

Yeah, that's right. "preventative war" ... which is a euphemism for first strike on other countries that MAY, at some imagined point in the future, become "potential" rivals to the unchallenged dominance of the globe by the lidless eye of Sauron, the Great Satan, the Empire, the hegemon, the one-and-only USA. ooh rah.

So which countries, anyway? Russia, certainly, is targeted for "elimination" yes, but who else?

Why, everyone, that's who. Anyone.

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At the outset, the AOC states its “vision” for the coming wars to be fought by the US Army. In language that recalls former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s invocation of the “unknown unknowns,” the document asserts: “The environment the Army will operate in is unknown. The enemy is unknown, the location is unknown, and the coalitions involved are unknown.”

The only logical explanation for this paranoid scenario is that the US military views every country beyond its borders as a potential enemy. Starting from the premise that the environments, the enemies, the locations and the coalitions involved in future conflicts are unknown, the US Army requires a strategy for war against all states and peoples. This strategy is derived from the unstated, underlying imperative that US imperialism exert hegemony over the entire planet, its markets and resources, and that it be prepared to militarily annihilate any rival that stands in its way.

All those who oppose the Emperor must DIE!"

So, what does it all mean?

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In the case of a confrontation with another nuclear power, they encompass the implementation of a first-strike doctrine of mass annihilation. In regard to the subjugation and domination of other areas of the globe, they call for massive ground operations to quell popular resistance and enforce military occupation.

This is OFFICIAL US MILITARY DOCTRINE BY AUTHORIZED AND HIGH RANKING OFFICIALS, war contractors, those who stand to make enormous profits from war, and so on.

Getting back to who this is all really aimed at ...

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Significantly, after more than a decade of the so-called “global war on terror, “ when countering a supposedly ubiquitous threat from Al Qaeda was the overriding mission of the US military-intelligence apparatus, “transnational terrorist organizations” are rather low on the Army’s list of priorities.

First and foremost are “competing powers,” a category that includes China, followed by Russia. In the case of China, the document evinces serious concern over Chinese “force modernization efforts,” which it says are aimed at achieving “stability along its periphery,” something that the US military is determined to block. China’s military efforts, it states, “highlight the need for Army forces positioned forward or regionally engaged,” and for “Army forces to project power from land into the air, maritime, space and cyberspace domains.”

Based on recent events in Ukraine, the document accuses Russia of being “determined to expand its territory and assert its power on the Eurasian landmass,” precisely US imperialism’s own strategic goal. Only a powerful deployment of US ground forces, it argues, can deter Russian “adventurism” and “project national power and exert influence in political conflicts.”

From there, the paper proceeds to “regional powers,” in the first instance, Iran.

These are advanced preparations for fighting World War 3 by official and authorized spokespersons for the US military. Of course, the kind of horrific war envisioned by the military run amok would require re-introduction of the military draft.

And resistance?

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The implementation of this doctrine of total war is wholly incompatible with democratic rights and constitutional government within the US. It requires the ruthless suppression of any political opposition and all social struggles mounted by the American working class.

Within the US ruling establishment and its two political parties, there exists no serious opposition to carrying the militarization of life within the so-called “homeland” to its ultimate conclusion. CIVILIAN CONTROL OF THE MILITARY HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A DEAD LETTER, WITH POLITICIANS ROUTINELY BOWING TO THE GENERALS ON MATTERS OF POLICY, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. (caps added for emphasis)

The tail wags the dog. Literally. The USA is, like Canada, effectively a fake democracy.

 

Planning for World War 3. Business as usual.

US Army drafts blueprint for World War 3

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

That still isn't proof of an absolute for certain planed invasion of Russia in the near future you are claiming in the OP.

That is a concept of operations research document for contingency plans for different types of wars the USA might encounter in the future.

The Russians, and everyone for that matter, have the same crap. There is no guarantee they will be used. 

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
The Russians, and everyone for that matter, have the same crap.

 

Let's see some documentary evidence of this claim. Should be easy, right? 

lol. This oughtta be good. I'm getting popcorn.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Eat your popcorn and go find it yourself.

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

That still isn't proof of an absolute for certain planed invasion of Russia in the near future you are claiming in the OP.

That is a concept of operations research document for contingency plans for different types of wars the USA might encounter in the future.

The Russians, and everyone for that matter, have the same crap. There is no guarantee they will be used. 

"A proof for absolute certain" is a kind of confession, when it comes to events in political life, that no evidence is good enough. So I'm not surprised you've given up the quest to substantiate your claim.

There is a continuity in military doctrine from the Soviet era in Russia to the present era. Perhaps it is the Russian character, I don't know. They too have a messianic component in their thinking about themselves, like the Americans, but it seems to revolve around saving the world from evil rather than imposing their views on everyone else.They are quite proud of this role and then can point to successful examples: Napoleon, Hitler, and so on. Some commentators treat the current Cold War II as another chapter in that long history.

In all their discussion about nuclear deterrance, it was invariably a defensive ideology. And that made sense; it was, after all, the USA which deliberately provoked an arms race to bankrupt them. And, while other factors were significant, this factor was very important ... as all sides acknowledge today. The US "success" in foreign policy is ... in an arms race whose end result would have been nuclear war. Any honest person can see that, comment on that, and think about the implications.

Nothing has change in regard to the Empire. Dominance of the globe, forever, is still the avowed aim. We have had an historical period, since the destruction of the Soviet Union, of a single hegemon, the lidless eye of Sauron, in which country after country has seen the "beneficial" effect of this Empire: Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, again Iraq, Libya, attempts with Syria then and now, Iran in the crosshairs of the Great Satan, Ukraine, and so on. All of this is tiresomely obvious. The failed states are everywhere.

When US dissidents like Noam Chomsky says, in the UN, as he did the other day, that while the US Empire cannot be expected to obey international law, it should obey its own laws, the stormy applause from the General Assembly truly represents the collective humanity. The USA truly is a monster.

See Noam dissent!

But that is not all. Even the Russian President, just yesterday or so, talked about the Russian bear.

The bear has no interest in ruling the world. None. He is happy with being the dominant creature in the Taiga, where he belongs.

See for yourself ....

"The bear won't ask for permission but neither is it interested in ruling the forest elsewhere."

In the following, Putin notes that while the West accepts the independence of Kosovo as routine and obvious, the same principles are jettisoned by those same countries that feign incredulity about the independence of Crimea ...

V.V.Putin wrote:
In this connection I always recall what the sages of the past said. You may remember the wonderful saying: Whatever Jupiter is allowed, the Ox is not.
We cannot agree with such an approach. The ox may not be allowed something, but the bear will not even bother to ask permission. Here we consider it the master of the taiga, and I know for sure that it does not intend to move to any other climatic zones – it will not be comfortable there. However, it will not let anyone have its taiga either. I believe this is clear.

Why can't the USA and its Emperors (oops - I mean Presidents!) do the same? Why does the US President make public speeches in which he reserves the right to use violence anywhere and everywhere "US interests" are affected? Why does the US military and its contractors put such enormous effort into the planning for WW3 and the annihilation of humanity?

Why is this such an evil Empire?

Tariq Ali - on the US ... the first and last Global Empire

"For the first time in US history, the US President has the authority to order the death of an American wherever he or she is. Therefore, President Obama has the authority to order a drone attack wherever Edward Snowden is staying. Legal. Also legal to spy on the whole world, on the rest of the world. All legal under US law."

A German magazine called this "soft totalitarianism". This is the harshest statement from a European magazine that is part of the media system of Europe and the US. For the Germans, familiar with the Stazi, some of them say, simply, "This is worse than the Stazi." For the Stazi spied on their own. But they did not, could not, spy on the whole world.

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Practice invasion of Russia.

"Oh, no, it's just military scenarios," says Hagel.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Yeah really, watch out for that battalion size invasion.

6079_Smith_W

You don't need more than a battalion to deal with kidnapping exercises.

Oh wait.... those were real.

 

Red Winnipeg

When, in your view, will this planned attack likely happen, ikosmos?

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Red Winnipeg wrote:
When, in your view, will this planned attack likely happen, ikosmos?

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Asked about the Arctic at a recent meeting with pro-Kremlin MPs, Putin railed against the presence of US submarines in the region “with missiles aimed at Moscow and St Petersburg”.

Such views have not gone unnoticed in Washington. Hillary Clinton, the former US secretary of state, has reflected mounting concern in the West at Russia’s militarisation of the Artic by calling for a united Canadian-US counterbalance to Moscow expansion.

“The Russian military push in the Arctic is neither for show nor posturing, it’s very serious,” said Pavel Felgenhauer, a Moscow military analyst. “Those in power believe that by 2030 there will be an acute energy resources shortage in the world and that the West, led by America, will attack Russia to take control of its oil and gas. All the talk is of a war over resources. That’s what the militarisation of the Arctic is all about.”

How about 2030?

Franchetti in the Sunday Times

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

2030?... I doubt this thread will last that long...LOL

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Just as an aside, I have to thank you for being such a rich and enjoyable target, Bec. I never knew that shooting fish in a barrel could be so ... entertaining. It reminds me of childhood memories, of the Road Runner and Wiley Coyote, of Tweety Bird and Sylvester the Cat, of that legendary wascally wabbit, Bugs Bunny, and the near-sighted, gun-loving, clutzy Elmer Fudd ...

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Same to you. I'll buy you a beer if we ever met.

NDPP

Pentagon Claims 'Russian Aggression' Against NATO  - by Patrick Martin

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/31/nato-o31.html

"The Obama administration and the Pentagon are stoking up military tensions with Russia in the wake of the Oct 26 Ukrainian parliamentary elections..."

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

fyi - there is a very amusing exchange between some State Department spokespeople and an AP reporter that relates to these claims of "Russian aggression" against NATO.  The reporter basically challenges the claim, points out that it is NATO that is aggressive, as measured by its continual expansion towards Russia, and challenges the State Dept mouthpiece to disprove his claim. The exchange is priceless.

NDPP

22/10/14 An Important Message by Igor Strelkov

http://youtu.be/FYQGg7Wskf8

"Without Donbass or with the capital divided by the frontline, any sovereignty of Novorossia is out of the question....If this plan succeeds, it will become the largest military and political defeat of the Russian Federation since 1991. It will cause serious internal political upheavals.

In this regard I appeal to representatives of all Russian services that control conditions of implementation of the Minsk Agreements. To make them pay attention to the plans of Ukrainian punitive forces and inform the President about possible outcomes of their implementation for Russian people of Donbass..."

Ukraine will attack soon

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

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"I will speak on behalf of the volunteer battalions, because I have more information...Today we are ready not just to defend [Ukraine], but to invade the Russian Federation, break into it with reconnaissance detachments and sabotage groups," the leader of the Dnepr-1 battalion Yury Bereza said on Sunday during the 'Shuster Live' TV show.

"Ukraine's volunteer battalion leader, who is now also an MP, said on a Ukrainian television show that the battalions are ready to "intrude" into Russia. He spoke about intended terrorist acts before being cut off by the show's host."

That ain't no Wayne and Shuster show!

NDPP

"sponsored by [Zionist] Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky..."

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Hard evidence: US trains terrorists to attack Russia

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The first group of fighters from volunteer (Ukrainian junta) punitive battalion Donbass started training yesterday at the training center in the town of Zolochiv, Lvov region, under the leadership of American instructors.

American Military Advisors Train Radicals for Clandestine Operations in Russian-Speaking Territories

Yeah, state terrorism from the "freedom loving" USA. ooh rah.

6079_Smith_W

ikosmos wrote:

How about 2030?

Pravda says two years from now. Whom do you trust?

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/26-06-2014/127902-nato_russia_c...

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Is that the Pravda that John McCain got hopelessly confused about, or the other one? In any case, that piece is from June. They may have been anticipating the August attack on Novorossiya and possibly up to and beyond - with NATO goading - right across the Russian border. There was, in fact, some evidence of Ukrainian shelling (some OSCE people got bombed) of Russian targets ... a subject that got zero play in the Western press. Imagine that.

A more longer term strategy seems more likely. If Washington can't evoke a color revolution, then they work on the alternative. War. And I think they will.

6079_Smith_W

Oh, it's from June. Well that explains everything. As you like to say, what to those Roooskies know anyway?

So I guess NATO all went to Tim Hortons and decided over coffee they'd better rearrange their schedules and wait 14 years before destroying the world.

 

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

You're not seriously looking for an exact prediction, are you? That would be sharing the hubris of the neo con puppet masters, don't you think?

6079_Smith_W

You're the one who started posting dates.

And for that matter, you're the one who started this absurd thread in the first place, claiming there "IS" currently a plan.

Don't mistake my batting it around and poking holes in it with taking it seriously.

 

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