Is the US and its NATO "allies" planning to attack Russia and start World War III?

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Ukrainian fighters ... who speak English when questioned by a reporter.

If it walks like foreign fighter and talks like a foreign fighter ... then it's probably a foreign fighter. This one is probably from the UK.

 

Will the planned attack on Russia start in Ukraine? Probably.

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Snap Poll (Foreign Affairs, which is very representative of US orthodoxy in foreign policy) of International Relations scholars on a number of questions, including...

How likely is war with Russia in the next 10 years?

Apparently, such a prospect is so "unlikely" that FA conducts polls on the issue.

Still think this is "tin foil hat" territory, Russophobic geniuses?

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Russian Aggression and the BBC’s “Drums of Nuclear War”

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... NATO is deliberately baiting the Russian bear, and what we are now seeing, in Russia’s so called ‘aggression’, is that Russia is getting cross, and defensive. As they have very right to.

So what is NATO’s motivation? One simple reason is that NATO was set up as a cold war military alliance, and with the end of the cold war its raison d’etre evaporated. Simply put, we no longer need it, and its drain on our resources. So, the NATO logic goes, we had better start making some reasons fast. Which is exactly what they are doing.

Another reason is the US’s aspiration for a ‘unipolar world’ in which it enjoys ‘full spectrum dominance’. These ideas are those of the neocons who enjoyed supremacy under the presidenices of George W Bush. But they have now become the core philosophy of the American Imperium – and Barack Obama adheres to them as firmly as ‘Dubya’ ever did.

Remedies?

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First, don’t fall for the vicious anti-Russian propaganda that the BBC and other news outlets relentless spout at us. Second, talk about it – with friends, family and down the pub. Share this article, and these thoughts, on social media.

Third, make it an election issue. Push electoral candidates in your area on where they stand. Emphasize the importance of making peace with Russia, rather than goading it into a wholly unnecessary and stupid war. Tell them your number one election priority is not the NHS, not immigration – but peace!

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That Didn't Take Long: The First Lie about Moscow Meeting: lies John Kerry told me.

 

Escobar is referring to lying John Kerry and his fabrication about where the ideas for a peace plan came from. Kerry and the European leaders are bad cop good cop. You know the drill.

What's interesting is how many now are treating the subject of this thread - which has mainly been replied to by babblers attempting to discredit the idea, but failing miserably - that the USA is trying to start world war 3 as a distinct possibility.

P Escobar wrote:

The Süddeutsche Zeitung – a very decent paper – last Sunday featured Russian military expert Yevgeny Buchinsky warning that if that happens, “Russia will have to intervene, and then, bluntly speaking, to take Kiev. Then NATO would be in a difficult situation. Then you would have to start World War III, which no one wants.”

That may be a bit Dr. Strangelovian and over the top – but the Süddeutsche Zeitung was on the money to stress Washington weaponizing Kiev’s goons would be interpreted by Russia as a declaration of war.

Medusa Merkel, on the record, is against it. But Chocolateshenko is, what else, hysterical: “I don’t have any doubt that the US and other partners will provide help with lethal weapons so that Ukraine will be able to defend itself.”

"If that happens, all hell will break loose. Russia will act. And the Empire of Chaos will spin it as "more aggression". Escalation will be inevitable. And then all bets are off. ...

Carl Bildt, former Swedish foreign minister, said war “between Russia and the West” was now CONCEIVABLE.

General Hollande, on the record, talked about the risk of “total war”.

General Sir Richard Shirreff, top British banana, sorry, NATO “commander” until last March, said a “strong message” should be sent to Putin if MAINLAND EUROPE (!!!) was to avoid “total war”.

Fogh of War Rasmussen – the Return of the Living Dead! – said that Putin could expand “Soviet revisionism” to NATO and the EU. In the Baltics, he said Putin would go for a little exercise in “hybrid warfare”.

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Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

Robert Parry wrote:
The U.S. government and mainstream media are swaggering toward a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia over Ukraine without any of the seriousness that has informed this sort of decision-making throughout the nuclear age. Instead, Official Washington seems possessed by a self-righteous goofiness that could be the prelude to the end of life on this planet....

.. his [Obama's] administration officials to talk loosely about sending military support to an unstable regime in Kiev that includes neo-Nazis who have undertaken death-squad operations against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine....

Obama has failed to rein in his administration’s war hawks and has done nothing to correct the biased narrative that his State Department has fed to the equally irresponsible mainstream U.S. news media. Since the Ukraine crisis began in fall of 2013, the New York Times and other major U.S. news outlets have provided only one side of the story, openly supporting the interests of the pro-European western Ukrainians over the ethnic Russian eastern Ukrainians.

The bias is so strong that the mainstream media has largely ignored the remarkable story of the Kiev regime willfully dispatching Nazi storm troopers to kill ethnic Russians in the east, something that hasn’t happened in Europe since World War II...

 

and on and on and on...

 

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Peter Lavelle, host of Crosstalk wrote:
Incredibly so, there is a real possibility now of a Ukraine-Russia war and/or a Washington-led war against Russia because of Ukraine. Make no mistake: Since the western-back coup in Kiev a year ago, Moscow rightfully sees its security threatened. Russia will not under any conditions (suggested by Washington to resolve the crisis) back down. We are moving toward a war that should never have been made possible. Washington wants a war – Europeans, Ukrainians, and Russians will be the ones to die. There is one certainty now – Ukraine is dissolving as a state. Soon it will be nothing more than an historical term. As a physical place is will shortly cease to exist. American arms will be a nail in Ukraine’s coffin…

As many of us have predicted, Ukraine is teetering over the precipice. It is a failed state, compliments of Uncle Sam.

What the Empire cannot own it wants to destroy. These are the civilizational values of the West.

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Harold Pinter, in his Nobel Prize acceptance speech, 2005 wrote:
The United States no longer bothers about low intensity conflict. It no longer sees any point in being reticent or even devious. It puts its cards on the table without fear or favour. It quite simply doesn't give a damn about the United Nations, international law or critical dissent, which it regards as impotent and irrelevant. It also has its own bleating little lamb tagging behind it on a lead, the pathetic and supine Great Britain... Its official declared policy is now defined as 'full spectrum dominance'. That is not my term, it is theirs. 'Full spectrum dominance' means control of land, sea, air and space and all attendant resources.

The United States now occupies 702 military installations throughout the world in 132 countries, with the honourable exception of Sweden, of course. We don't quite know how they got there but they are there all right.

The United States possesses 8,000 active and operational nuclear warheads. Two thousand are on hair trigger alert, ready to be launched with 15 minutes warning. It is developing new systems of nuclear force, known as bunker busters. The British, ever cooperative, are intending to replace their own nuclear missile, Trident. Who, I wonder, are they aiming at? Osama bin Laden? You? Me? Joe Dokes? China? Paris? Who knows? What we do know is that this infantile insanity - the possession and threatened use of nuclear weapons - is at the heart of present American political philosophy. We must remind ourselves that the United States is on a permanent military footing and shows no sign of relaxing it."

Harold Pinter ... ripping the USA a new asshole.

 

... the United States is on a permanent military footing and shows no sign of relaxing it.

Yes, Virginia, the USA is the lidless eye of Sauron.

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Yanqui Plans for "Regime Change" in Russia.

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On Friday, Newsweek published an op-ed by Rutgers University professor Alexander J. Motyl calling for regime change in Russia. While noting that “regime change” has—in light of recent history—become a “dirty phrase,” it would, we are told, constitute “the best thing that could happen to Russia.” Motyl’s article will no doubt bolster Russian president Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s oft-voiced suspicions that the real goal of the Western sanctions against Russia has always been regime change.

and, recently from Russian President V V Putin ...

Democracy Now wrote:
Your reaction to Russian President Vladimr Putin's challenge to the United States? Over the weekend, Putin explained that the Ukraine crisis can be traced to a U.S. refusal to accept any challenge to its global dominance.

"It's a fact that there clearly is an attempt to restrain our development with different means. There is an attempt to freeze the existing world order which formed in the decade which followed the collapse of the Soviet Union, with one incontestable leader who wants to remain as such thinking he is allowed everything while others are only allowed what he allows and only in his interests. This world order will never suit Russia. If someone likes it, if someone wants to live under conditions of semi-occupation, let him — we will never do this," Putin said.

Putin speaks here for the whole world, for everyone who opposes the monstrous Empire centered in Washington.

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A Western slow waltz to death? Maybe. But the other side knows what's what.

Russian public opinion, social media, blogosphere:

We whipped Hitler and we will whip you. We are ready for your attack, Western scum bags.

Saker wrote:
One of the most striking differences between the Russian and Western media is the fact that the topic of a possible war is constantly discussed in the former and almost never in the latter.  In Russia, the main news shows discuss the risks of war, as do a lot of well-known personalities, and on talk-shows this is a recurrent topic.  Even Putin recently had to declare that he did not believe that a war was likely.  It is as if both Russia and the West were like two trains on the same tracks, going at full speed towards each other but with one big difference: the western "train" is steaming forward with its eyes closed, while the Russian train is going forward with its eyes wide open.

The second big difference is the rage and determination which are expressed by Russians of all walks of life.  The most often heard sentence now is "Русские не сдаются" (Russians don't surrender).  Russians find it amazing and absolutely crazy that the western "leaders" have apparently convinced themselves that the Russians will "blink" and let Obama scare them into not standing up for the Donbass.  The mood is "if you really want a fight, then we will give you one".

bekayne

ikosmos wrote:

A Western slow waltz to death? Maybe. But the other side knows what's what.

Russian public opinion, social media, blogosphere:

We whipped Hitler and we will whip you. We are ready for your attack, Western scum bags.

Saker wrote:
One of the most striking differences between the Russian and Western media is the fact that the topic of a possible war is constantly discussed in the former and almost never in the latter.  In Russia, the main news shows discuss the risks of war, as do a lot of well-known personalities, and on talk-shows this is a recurrent topic.  Even Putin recently had to declare that he did not believe that a war was likely.  It is as if both Russia and the West were like two trains on the same tracks, going at full speed towards each other but with one big difference: the western "train" is steaming forward with its eyes closed, while the Russian train is going forward with its eyes wide open.

The second big difference is the rage and determination which are expressed by Russians of all walks of life.  The most often heard sentence now is "Русские не сдаются" (Russians don't surrender).  Russians find it amazing and absolutely crazy that the western "leaders" have apparently convinced themselves that the Russians will "blink" and let Obama scare them into not standing up for the Donbass.  The mood is "if you really want a fight, then we will give you one".

I see Benjamin Fulford's name come up in the comments:

http://rabble.ca/babble/media/jim-stone-fukushima-311-act-war

http://rabble.ca/babble/media/benjamin-fulford-who-he-working

http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/Benjamin_Fulford/Benjamin_Fulford_Re...

NDPP

NATO: 3 Minutes To Midnight  -  by Christopher Black

http://journal-neo.org/2015/02/09/3-minutes-to-midnight/

"Russia has allies but Russia and the people of Ukraine [and Novorossiya] should not stand alone against enemies common to us all. The anti-war movement in the western countries is nowhere to be seen, yet the European governments managed to mobilise millions in a few days to demonstrate about the killings in Paris.

A short while ago, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists reset the Doomsday Clock, the clock that tells us how close we are to exterminating ourselves. It was set forward 2 minutes.

It is now 3 minutes to midnight.

So what are we going to do about it?"

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I think that despite who is in power in Russia and what is going on there, we need to stop the sanctions. Sanctions only hurt the poorest in Russia. V. Putin will always get his boiled egg for breakfast, no matter how much it costs.

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I think that despite who is in power in Russia and what is going on there, we need to stop the sanctions. Sanctions only hurt the poorest in Russia. V. Putin will always get his boiled egg for breakfast, no matter how much it costs.

NDPP

They seem to be hurting the Europeans as well. Economies that weren't good before, are distinctly worse now due to sanctions. Victoria Nuland's intercepted coup-talk to the American ambassador in Kiev - 'and Fuck the EU!', takes on a whole new meaning. Some of the results below:

'New Iron Curtain Emerging Along the Border of Ukraine and Russia'

http://rt.com/op-edge/230407-yalta-conference-wwii-ukraine/

"70 years after the Yalta Conference that marked the final month of WWII, Russia is facing a threat of isolation, with President Putin being 'demonized' - something that British professor Richard Sakwa considers to be 'extremely dangerous'.

'Now we see the demonization of Putin, we see the attempt to delegitimize the Russian government, which I think is extremely dangerous,' Sakwa added..."

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The USA is stupid and does not understand or play well with others.


JOHN MEARSHEIMER wrote:
When I was a little boy, my mother taught me that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. And if it’s OK for us to have a Monroe Doctrine, if it makes perfect strategic sense for us not to want to have distant great powers on our borders, it should make equally good sense for the Russians to think that way—and, by the way, for the Chinese to think that way. That’s the way great powers behave. And the problem in Washington is that people cannot put themselves in the shoes of leaders in distant capitals.

The hubris of the Yanqui Empire is here well explained.

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montrealer58 wrote:
I think that despite who is in power in Russia and what is going on there, we need to stop the sanctions. Sanctions only hurt the poorest in Russia. V. Putin will always get his boiled egg for breakfast, no matter how much it costs.

The sanctions argument is so daffy that there are public figures in Germany, connected with the enormous loans to Ukraine, who are saying that they reserve the right to apply sanctions ... on Ukraine! ... if they don't comply with the IMF-style austerity that the bankers have planned for that country.

Neo-Nazis and neo-liberals. Two mints in one.

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Sanctions are just wrong, no matter who you are.
Destabilizing the Russian economy is not going to affect Russian power structures.
The Russians have put up with a lot of crap these last 1000 years or so.
People will look to their government for leadership. 

We have sanctions in other places in the world too.
Who survives? The dark forces in the black market, criminal elements. The regime.
Legitimate business has no way of paying the invoice.

I used to think "who was worse?" and try to make moral judgements.
But I had to realize I might be overly influenced by a point of view which is being manufactured in my head.
How am I going to know all the facts?
So I decided that if I saw something which was wrong, I would just say it.

Putin is much more likely to allow democracy if there is a free flow of trade.
Now he has to preside over real austerity based on real scarcity, not the bullshit austerity we see in the West.
The government there is going to be in no mood for further democratic reforms while it is rationing food. 

I don't need to support V. Putin to say that sanctions against Russia are wrong.
Sanctions often lead to war. End them now. 

NDPP

I think they are made to lead there. And it's working montrealer. We're there. So let me be clear, I am very much rooting for the good people of Donbass (and sometimes even for their neighbours next door) and am profusely, profoundly sorry for their situation and suffering and for my country's  awful support of that.  We act like we hate these 'Moskali' as much as any Galician Right Sector NATO Nazi might.

Even for a people as historically stupid and coldhearted as ours, and even allowing for the relentless propaganda, there is no excuse for the studied infference to the Donbass people's agonies, minimally some kind of humanitarian response to being bombed, shelled and starved by a regime we have nationally commmitted $400+ million in loans to. Not counting our military 'aid'.  Never mind the SS and swastika symbols the Ukrainians  seem so powerfully attracted to and display at every opportunity...

If you're wondering why parties that usually make quite a bit of noise about SS and swastikas aren't so much in the case of Ukraine, you're not alone. And if you decided to do a bit of probing further, you might find certain people have decided that their interests lie in not making too much of this open Nazism. For various and sundry reasons of their own and after carefully weighing the possibilities of profit or loss. And there are billionaires and oligarchs with money to burn anyone they want...

So, here we are again, -  'progressives' prepare to campaign for parties that openly support this Nazi regime in Kiev, and its barbaric 'anti-terrorist operations' against the population of Donbass. That's all of them. And work hard moreover to ensure that none of this 'interferes' with the campaign, let alone question the monstrous evil of their own support and complicity.

And as for the Canadian ahem 'intelligentsia'...guess there isn't any. Is there not even an open letter or group email from the usual rich superannuated lefties making hundreds of Ks turning marx into mush for the children of the rich?

 I think we're most definitely heading for war with Russia. But more importantly, we already are with the good people of Donbass.

I hope they win. I hope we lose.

 

 

 

 

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Ukraine, America’s “Lebensraum”. Is Washington Preparing to Wage War on Russia?

The author really shows the remarkable and ominous similarities between the conduct of Adolph Hitler and the present USA. It's not a completely smooth writing style but there is a great deal of information in the piece.

 

 

 

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The minority of views on the issue of this thread, the ridicule with which the issue was treated when I opened this thread last October, and now .... the remarkable number of in-depth and sober-minded analyses that all come to the same conclusion as I did last October... all this should make thoughtful babblers wonder if the USA and its client states in NATO are not marching all of humanity to mass suicide. I hope this terrible dance of death can be stopped in time.

The pessimism is also growing. You hear a reluctance by intelligent people to come to this conclusion ... and yet they do come to this conclusion. It's scary.

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NATO parades its troops and US armor  ... 300 m from the Russian border.

RT wrote:
NATO member Estonia has held a military parade in border town of Narva, just 300 meters from the Russian border. Tallinn is a long-time critic of Moscow, which it accuses of having an aggressive policy towards the Baltic nation.

Russian aggression! Russian aggression! Russian aggression!

 

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The evidence just keeps piling up and up and up.

The demonisation of Russia risks paving the way for war: Seumas Milne of The Guardian

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As 20th-century history shows, the dispatch of military advisers is often how disastrous escalations start. They are also a direct violation of last month’s Minsk agreement, negotiated with France and Germany, that has at least achieved a temporary ceasefire and some pull-back of heavy weapons. Article 10 requires the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Ukraine.

The last item means that all countries sending paratroopers, so-called "advisors", "trainers", etc., etc., are violating the Minsk Accord. This includes the jackboot Harper regime.

Naturally, about all this there is practically dead silence in Western media. I would not be the least surprised if Seumas Milne was threatened or sacked, arrested and "shot while attempting to escape" by the English gestapo...

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Another feverish US think tank calling for World War III:

The article has very, very clear innuendo. Attack Russia NOW!

A Wes Mitchell of CEPA: Rethinking "Strategic Patience" with Russia


6079_Smith_W

It says "foreign armed formations".

Not the same thing at all. If they were talking about something like the Vostok Battalion it would be accurate. Stretching it to include trainers and advisors who aren't deployed in combat? Nonsense.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:
Stretching it to include trainers and advisors who aren't deployed in combat? Nonsense.

Seumas Milne pointed out in his Guardian piece that that is precisely what the US Empire did on its way to escalating their planned war against Viet Nam that led to such horrific atrocities and war crimes on a gigantic scale.

Deny, deny, deny. bwa ha ha ha.

 

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Russian aggression! Russian aggression! Russian aggression!

If anyone would be familiar with it, it would be the Estonians.  Hardly surprising they haven't yet forgotten Russia's colonialist past.

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ikosmos wrote:

Naturally, about all this there is practically dead silence in Western media. I would not be the least surprised if Seumas Milne was threatened or sacked, arrested and "shot while attempting to escape" by the English gestapo...

Actually, that is the genius of the American propaganda system. It actually allows a few, minor voices of dissent, knowing that they will be drowned out by the mass of corporate-approved "journalism". So there is no need for messy and potentially embarrassing "wet work". Chomsky has been telling these truths for 40 years, and nobody has silenced him, they just ignore and marginalize him. Of course, it is possible that Milne could lose his job, but he is sort of a token leftist at the Guardian, and I think this article is fairly typical of his writing, so it isn't very likely.

6079_Smith_W

ikosmos wrote:

their planned war against Viet Nam that led to such horrific atrocities and war crimes on a gigantic scale.

Deny, deny, deny. bwa ha ha ha.

So the Vietnam war is a violation of the Minsk Agreement? Milne was talking about people in Ukraine now, but somehow I think your spin on it is even more of a stretch.

 

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Michael Moriarity wrote:
Actually, that is the genius of the American propaganda system..

 

yeah, I hear you. I get nauseous with all the obvious apologetic for aggression masquerading as a zealous search for the truth.

NDPP

Here's an interesting interview with a German, former NATO intelligence officer, wide ranging but touching upon the West's designs and increasing confrontation with Russia.

Ukraine is US Revenge on Russia for Syria - (part 2)

http://youtu.be/eDlfAH9l1f4

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Murray Dobbin of rabble.ca: Faith-based policy and the West's dangerous game with Russia

The article critiques the Harper regime in Ottawa and points to obvious consequences of the shrill NATO march to war.

The Libyan example provided is a good one; Canadian military intelligence pointed out the likely consequences of a NATO-sponsored war, sans UN backing, against Africa's wealthiest (i.e. most generous social policy for the people) secular government at the time. They predicted tribal/civil war, helping Al Qaeda, etc. - all of which came true. Libya is now such a welcome "home" to ISIS than anti-ISIS bombing runs have recently taken place there (by Egypt, I think).

None of these warning were heeded by the fundamentalist Harper regime.

NDPP

'Get Vlad'! : How Putin Blocked the US Pivot To Asia  -  by Mike Whitney

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/06/how-putin-blocked-the-u-s-pivot-t...

"...The question is why? Why is Washington so determined to remove Putin? Putin answered this question himself recently at a celebration of Russia's Diplomatic workers' Day. He said Russia would pursue an independent foreign policy despite pressure in what he called 'today's challenging international environment.'

'No matter how much pressure is put on us, the Russian Federation will continue to pursue an independent foreign policy to support the fundamental interests of our people in line with global security and stability.'

This is Putin's unforgiveable crime, the same crime as Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Syria and countless other nations that refuse to march in lockstep to Washington's directions. Putin has also resisted NATO's encirclement and attempts by the US to loot Russia's vast natural resources.

And while Putin has made every effort to avoid a direct confrontation with the US, he has not backed down..."

NDPP

KPFA-Flashpoints: March 3, 2015, Consortium News' ROBERT PARRY On Russia/Ukraine and the Likelihood of War (podcast)

http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/111763#comment-32875

segment starts@ 8:00 min

"In all my 37 years in Washington, I have nver seen such 'groupthink'. There are risks that should be taken very seriously..."

NDPP

Washington's Military Moves Near Russia's Borders Could 'End in Nuclear War' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/03/12/401442/USRussia-rift-could-end-...

"American columnist Stephen Lendman has warned of a nuclear war due to Washingtons provocative military measures near Russia's border over the crisis in Ukraine.

'It has to be infuriating Russia because it is deliberately provocative. What Washington is doing now, pushing further and further east, this is a prescription for east-west confrontation. They could literally explode into a nuclear war,' Lendman warned."

Don't vote for any candidate who won't address this issue!

 

'We're at 3 minutes to midnight. After midnight...we're done.'  - Noam Chomsky

NDPP

CNN is Beating The Drums of War  -  by Paul Craig Roberts

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/03/cnn-is-beating-the-drums-of-war/

"The threat issues from Washington and arises from the demonization of Russia and its leadership..."

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Recent NATO provocations include ...

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  • On February 10 – as ceasefire talks were underway in Minsk, Belarus – the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution to authorize $1 billion for training, equipping and providing “lethal aid” to Kiev through September 2017.
  • On February 24, U.S. military vehicles took part in a NATO parade in the Estonian town of Narva, just 300 meters from the Russian border. It included 140 armored vehicles and nearly 1,500 troops, including U.S. soldiers.
  • The same day, in Alaska, paratroopers from the U.S. Army’s 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team performed the largest U.S. airborne mission north of the Arctic Circle in more than a decade as part of Exercise Spartan Pegasus. “This exercise demonstrated their unique ability to rapidly mass power on an objective in extremely cold and austere environments,” said an Army press release.
  • U.S. Marines and soldiers from the Republic of Georgia staged a “pre-deployment training” during Mission Rehearsal Exercise in Hohenfels, Germany, February 27.
  • NATO Supreme Commander in Europe and Chief of the U.S. European Command Philip Breedlove told the Senate Armed Forces Committee March 3 that it is “essential” for Washington to provide “military support” to “U.S. partners Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine [which] face a different security challenge from Russia than those facing NATO allies.
  •  On March 6, U.S. and Canadian soldiers carried out drills “in winter conditions” with their Latvian counterparts, while live-fire training exercises were conducted at Drawsko Pomorskie in northern Poland.
  • Some 450 U.S. soldiers and 25 Black Hawk helicopters will be deployed to Illesheim, Germany, in March “in support of Operation Atlantic Resolve, a multinational training mission to reassure Poland and the Baltic countries of NATO’s commitment in the face of Russia’s aggressive moves in Ukraine.” The deployment is to last 9 months.
  • The European Union needs its own army to confront Russia, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told a German newspaper March 8.
  • Latvia received more than 120 armored units, including tanks, from the U.S. on March 9. U.S. Army General John O’Connor, who witnessed the tanks’ arrival, declared that “Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended.”
  • A major NATO naval force is amassing in the Black Sea, including U.S., Canadian, German, Italian, Turkish, Bulgarian and Romanian warships.

 

That's quite a list, and only recent.

A quick rundown of NATO's recent anti-Russian provocations

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Does Russia ever have military parades, and are they also a "provocation"?

Just curious.  Wondering why a military parade in Estonia is a "provocation" but a military parade in Russia is a "fun family day".

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Mr. Magoo wrote:
Does Russia ever have military parades, and are they also a "provocation"?

Just curious.  Wondering why a military parade in Estonia is a "provocation" but a military parade in Russia is a "fun family day".

I'll bite. What is the difference between a NATO parade in an ethnic Russian neighborhood 300 m from the Russian border in Estonia and the annual Moscow parade 300 km from the nearest border?

Hint: a little over 299 km.

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So?  I guess the only tanks in Russia are permanently trapped in Moscow, then?

Also... just curious again... why are there "ethnic Russian neighbourhoods" in Estonia?  Do they have anything to do with Russia having annexed Estonia?  Or are they just Estonians who magically became ethnic Russians? 

Anyway, I guess the important question is:  will Russia be grown-up enough to ignore their former colony saying "neener neener"?  Or is this just the start of WWIII, and it will all be the Estonians' fault for "provoking"?

If you want to portray the Russians as somehow hard done by, you'll need to do better than pointing to someone else who also likes annual four hour parades of artillery. 

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Mr. Magoo "Also... just curious again... why are there "ethnic Russian neighbourhoods" in Estonia?"

I guess they're just waiting to be "cleansed" like the ethnic Russian areas in Ukraine. How dare they get in the way of NATO tanks.

"Anyway, I guess the important question is:  will Russia be grown-up enough to ignore their former colony ..."

There's a whole set of NATO provocations listed - you really have to try to read ALL of a contribution and not just the part you like ...

"If you want to portray the Russians as somehow hard done by, you'll need to do better than pointing to someone else who also likes annual four hour parades of artillery."

Yes, I understand, why do the sneaky Russians keep moving their border closer to NATO?

 

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I guess they're just waiting to be "cleansed" like the ethnic Russian areas in Ukraine.

I asked you how they got there in the first place.

Again:  did it have anything to do with Russia annexing Estonia in 1940?  I'm sure it's rough trying to keep living among the people you once conquered, but we all have our long rows to hoe.

FWIW, my wife of 25 years is Estonian.  One of the very first things she told me about my new in-laws was "unless you have hours to kill, just don't even mention Russia".

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There's a whole set of NATO provocations listed - you really have to try to read ALL of a contribution and not just the part you like ...

When they're all as trivial, what's the point?

"Billy keeps making faces at me" stops being important at around age six.

NDPP

Russian President Putin Says Ukraine Crisis Threatens Nuclear War

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/03/17/nucl-m17.html

"Putin's remarks on the Ukraine crisis make clear the nuclear arms race is intensifying with the risk of war. These developments underscore the immense dangers to the population of the entire world produced by the reckless and incendiary operations of US imperialism...

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Russian President Putin Says Ukraine Crisis Threatens Nuclear War

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/03/17/nucl-m17.html

"Putin's remarks on the Ukraine crisis make clear the nuclear arms race is intensifying with the risk of war. These developments underscore the immense dangers to the population of the entire world produced by the reckless and incendiary operations of US imperialism...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-s-vladimir-putin-waves-the-nuclear-o...

And while the official Russian military doctrine published late in 2014 hews to the line that Russia would not use nuclear weapons in a first strike, the unofficial bluster from a Kremlin favourite, Dmitry Kiselyov, appointed by Putin as the head of the government news agency, sounds dangerously different.

''During the era of political romanticism, the Soviet Union pledged never to use nuclear weapons first," Kiselyov said on state television. "But Russia's current military doctrine does not. No more illusions."

 

NDPP

So, I hope this reality begins to dawn on those who continue to stage dangerous provocations and those who support them doing so. Noam Chomsky, who doesn't talk recklessly on such things, says 'we're at 3 minutes to midnight'. Here, in Stupidville, we're having an election in which the opposition parties barely mention it, if at all.

 

Anti-Submarine, Anti-Air Warfare: NATO Holds Drills in Black Sea

https://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/anti-submarine-anti-air-warf...

"Warships of six NATO countries - the US, CANADA, Turkey, Germany, Italy and Romania, took part JUST 300 K OFF CRIMEA..."

Slumberjack

I for one am looking forward to the official election season, if only in anticipation of the fullest accounting, such as might be afforded us, of where the respective political parties stand on both domestic and international issues, and any ideas that might be generated respectively.

LOL!

NDPP

@SJ don't hold your breath...Smile

 

Tensions Over Ukraine Could Trigger Nuclear Confrontation: Analyst (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/03/17/402261/US-Russia-row-could-igni...

"NATO has been openly threatening Moscow by deploying thousands of troops along the Russian border with the Baltic States..."

NDPP

Power Play Behind Regime Change in Russia  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41269.htm

"The Empire of Chaos dream of regime-change in Russia has always hinged on controlling large swathes of Eurasia.

NATO may indeed incarnate the ultimate geopolitical/existential paradox; an alliance that exists to manage the chaos it breeds.

On the otherhand the US has undivided interest in a Ukraine as NATO member: that's the whole rationale of the relentless post-Maidan demonization of Russia.

Regime-Change? Keep dreaming."

 

Washington's War on Russia  -  by Mike Whitney

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/18/washingtons-war-on-russia/

"The United States does not want a war with Russia, it simply feels that it has no choice. The US is rebuilding the Iron Curtain along a thousand-mile stretch from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea...."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Power Play Behind Regime Change in Russia  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41269.htm

In a – admittedly terrifying — war scenario, Russia would seal eastern Ukraine airspace against US air power using an array of sophisticated defensive missiles. Tactical nuclear weapons would be used for the first time. Europe would be basically defenseless as NATO’s Dr. Strangeloves would be tempted to launch a full-scale nuclear war.

So Escobar agrees with Stephen Cohen that Russia would be the first to use nuclear weapons.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

bekayne wrote:
So Escobar agrees with Stephen Cohen that Russia would be the first to use nuclear weapons.

Both Escobar and Cohen are aware, as you seem not to be, that the ferocity of "conventional" weapons now comes very close to or exceeds the damage of nuclear weapons. So, for example, an overwhelming use of conventional force by NATO in an unprovoked attack on Russia, on a wide front, could get a nuclear reply.

And that makes perfect sense. If NATO attacks, as it may (given the current psychopathic war fever), then the Russians are perfectly entitled to defend themselves with whatever weapons they have.

That's all I understand such writers are saying. "if attacked," etc. If you turn that around to mean that Russian military doctrine includes a pre-emptive first strike, as is the current US doctrine(amply proven over and over again), then you're simply uttering falsehoods.

Supplemental: I mean, for Christ's sake. The President of the USA, this past year, has made it clear over and over again that the USA is the one and only indispensable country. And by that he means, literally, that other countries may be "disposed of". Like Iraq. Like Yugoslavia. Like Libya. Like Ukraine. Like Russia. Like China.

This has been official US doctrine since ... God knows when. This is an Empire and they know it. And they want it to last forever.

 

bekayne

ikosmos wrote:

bekayne wrote:
So Escobar agrees with Stephen Cohen that Russia would be the first to use nuclear weapons.

Both Escobar and Cohen are aware, as you seem not to be, that the ferocity of "conventional" weapons now comes very close to or exceeds the damage of nuclear weapons. So, for example, an overwhelming use of conventional force by NATO in an unprovoked attack on Russia, on a wide front, could get a nuclear reply.

And that makes perfect sense. If NATO attacks, as it may (given the current psychopathic war fever), then the Russians are perfectly entitled to defend themselves with whatever weapons they have.

That's all I understand such writers are saying. "if attacked," etc. If you turn that around to mean that Russian military doctrine includes a pre-emptive first strike, as is the current US doctrine(amply proven over and over again), then you're simply uttering falsehoods.

Supplemental: I mean, for Christ's sake. The President of the USA, this past year, has made it clear over and over again that the USA is the one and only indispensable country. And by that he means, literally, that other countries may be "disposed of". Like Iraq. Like Yugoslavia. Like Libya. Like Ukraine. Like Russia. Like China.

This has been official US doctrine since ... God knows when. This is an Empire and they know it. And they want it to last forever.

 

So who was Dmitri Kiselyov speaking for? Just himself?

http://www.independent.ie/life/no-more-illusions-putins-nuclear-option-3...

''During the era of political romanticism, the Soviet Union pledged never to use nuclear weapons first," Kiselyov told the audience of Vesti Nedeli, his current affairs show, one of the country's most widely watched programmes. "But Russia's current military doctrine does not." He paused briefly for effect. "No more illusions."

 

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