Is the US and its NATO "allies" planning to attack Russia and start World War III?

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    17.08.2015 Author: Gordon Duff US, Turkey Ignore Russian Warning, Move into Syria Turkey

    Turkey and the United States have jointly decided to move into Syria, daring Russia to respond.

    The US and Turkey have dropped all references to protecting refugees, always a very hard to sell fantasy based on Turkey’s long history of persecuting minorities.

    State Department spokesman, Mark Toner, yesterday started laying out the rules for the “buffer zone” the US and Turkey have decided they are carving out for Turkey.  It is claimed that this “zone” will be occupied by the Free Syrian Army and can only be used by forces sworn to overthrow the legal government in Damascus.
    First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/08/17/us-turkey-ignore-russian-warning-move-into-syria/

    NDPP

    Russia 'Very Significant Threat' to US: Pentagon Chief

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/08/21/425658/US-Russia-Ukraine-Pentagon

    "Russia is a 'very, very significant threat' to the national security of the United States, says Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, concurring with top military officials' assessment.

    On July 9, Marine General Joseph Danford told lawmakers that his assessment was that Russia poised 'the greatest threat to our national security.' Carter said he agreed with the assessment."

    Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

    12 pages and counting? Is it war yet?

    Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

    ...8-P

    NDPP

    Yeah, what is it with these Yanquis warhawks? All hat no cattle?

    lagatta

    Between them and the troll who called wolf...

    There is a difference between speaking out against the real damage done by imperialism and the military-industrial complax and a scenario that only serves to shore up militarism (on whichever side, Russian or NATO).

    NDPP

    CrossTalk: NATO's Bluff?

    http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/313188-nato-conflict-russia-pentagon/

    "Is NATO sleepwalking into a conflict with Russia?

    NDPP

    The Myth of a Russian 'Threat'  - by Pepe Escobar

    http://sptnkne.ws/DhE

    "Not a week goes by without the Pentagon carping about an ominous Russian 'threat.'

    And the fact is that the real reason for Cold War 2.0 is New York/London financial power suffering a trillion dollar-plus loss when President Putin extracted Russia from their looting schemes.

    And the same applies to the entire Kiev coup - forced through by the same New York/London financial powers to block Putin from destroying their looting operations in Ukraine (which by the way, proceed unabated..).

    Geoff

    NDPP wrote:

    The Myth of a Russian 'Threat'  - by Pepe Escobar

    http://sptnkne.ws/DhE

    "Not a week goes by without the Pentagon carping about an ominous Russian 'threat.'

    And the fact is that the real reason for Cold War 2.0 is New York/London financial power suffering a trillion dollar-plus loss when President Putin extracted Russia from their looting schemes.

    And the same applies to the entire Kiev coup - forced through by the same New York/London financial powers to block Putin from destroying their looting operations in Ukraine (which by the way, proceed unabated..).

    As I read your post, NDPP, I'm staring at a book on my shelf called "The Myth of Soviet Military Supremacy", written by Tom Gervasi in 1987.

    The premise of the book is that the US and its allies exaggerated the strength of the Soviet military in order to justify the arms race. William Colby, former Director of the CIA, is quoted on the cover as beeing in agreement with this thesis.

    Some things never change, it seems.

    Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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    "Not a week goes by without the Pentagon carping about an ominous Russian 'threat.'

    An ironic addition to a regularly updated thread devoted to carping about an ominous US/NATO 'threat'.

    It's like a game of "Whose Emmanuel Goldstein is Scarier???"

    NDPP

    @ Geoff - Yes, 'the Russians are coming' has been a handy pretext for some time. As you can probably tell, it still works...

    Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

    NDPP wrote:

    @ Geoff - Yes, 'the Russians are coming' has been a handy pretext for some time. As you can probably tell, it still works...

    As compared to your "the Americans are coming" thread your running here?

    NDPP

    Who Is Doing the Saber-Rattling in Europe?

    http://orientalreview.org/2015/08/25/who-is-doing-the-saber-rattling-in-...

    "...Even NATO's leaders have acknowledged the alliance's military buildup on Russia's doorstep. According to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, in 2014 these numbers have quintupled since 2013. And NATO member states' naval operations have increased fourfold during this period.

    In light of the increased US military aid to the regime in Kiev that will be used in the genocide of Ukrainian citizens, these military preparations are taking on a plainly anti-Russian flavor."

    NDPP

    Only in an abject political backwater like Canada, would such NOT be discussed in an election campaign. Unbelievable. Please forward to your candidates asking where they stand and what they plan to do..

    A Coming War By Nato - by David Pugliese

    http://newcoldwar.org/a-coming-war-by-nato-against-russia/

    "A couple of months ago before he retired in July, the head of Canada's air force provided a blunt assessment of what might emerge from the current military mission to Ukraine. 'We pray that our ongoing NATO mission isn't accompanied by the escalation of deadly force and the shedding of blood,' Lt Gen Yvan Blondin wrote in the magazine RCAF Today.

    'We have everything to lose and nothing to gain through a show-down with our former Eastern-bloc foes.'

    It was an unusual and candid observation from a veteran Canadian officer about the increased tensions and worsening situation in Ukraine.

    But Blondin's warning also reflects an increasing concern among some in the US and Europe about the possibility that the standoff in eastern Europe between Russia and the West could somehow end in war.

    But with large numbers of military forces operating in such close proximity, anything could happen, they warn..."

    NDPP

    NATO To Bring More Bloodshed in the Caucasus, Opening Center in Georgia

    http://novorossia.today/nato-to-bring-more-bloodshed-in-the-caucasus-ope...

    "Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova has called the opening of NATO's center in Georgia 'a continuation of the alliance's provocative policy to expand its geopolitical influence.

    'The opening of NATO's training center in Tbilisi signals that the alliance's leadership is set to help Georgia to try to restore control over South Ossetia and Abkhazia and plunge the region into more bloodshed..."

    NDPP

    NATO To Open Six New Headquarters In Eastern Europe

    http://www.therussophile.org/nato-to-open-six-new-headquarters-in-easter...

    "NATO officials have announced the opening of six new headquarters in a number of member states in Eastern Europe. By the time of the NATO summit in July of 2016, the new headquarters are to be brought into a state of full combat readiness, a NATO representative said.  According to DPA, headquarters will be opened in Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Estonia..."

    NDPP

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    Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

    Nice but this thread is about the USA invading Russia in the very near future... got any input on that?

    Rev Pesky

    Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

    Nice but this thread is about the USA invading Russia in the very near future... got any input on that?

    My opinion...no, the USA is not going to invade Russia. Russia has nuclear weapons, and like it or not, they are the ultimate defensive weapon. What the USA is doing is just a little old-fashioned sabre rattling. It's more for local consumption than it is to try and scare Russia. Putin himself has already been quite clear about this. I think he just thinks it's funny.

    At the same time, the USA should be careful. When you stick your hand in to muddy up the waters, something may just decide to bite you. Think  back to when the USA was facilitating the destruction of Yugoslavia. Russia did decide to take part, and it came damn near to getting out of hand. The NATO general on the ground was ordered to prevent Russia from landing paratroops in Pristina. He refused to do so, saying, "I didn't want to be the one who started the Third World War." In the case the crisis was averted, but believe me, the USA took note.

    On the other hand, the basic objective of the USA is generally just to destroy local infrastructure. At that they have been quite successful. Iraq, Libya, Syria have all been 'bombed back to the stone age' by the  USA (creating the present refugee crisis) with only tiny losses by the USA. Mission accomplished!

     

    ikosmos ikosmos's picture

    Given the apoplectic outbursts coming from the bought-and-paid-for MSM over (long standing) Russian aid to Syria, the sabre-rattling is getting awfully close to troops of the Empire (and its NATO satellites) facing Russian trained troops. And of course, there are plenty of comment about NATO mercs actively involved in the attempt at ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine by the Banderistan regime.

    I like what the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, said recently in regard to the 70th anniversary of the crushing defeat of Japanese Militarism and fascism generally (an event that Western, NATO regimes shunned with true religious fervor) ...

    Xi Jinping wrote:
    After making a good start, we should ensure the cause achieves fruition.

    One way to interpret Xi Jinping's remark is that the fight is not over, and fascism's sponsors today still need to be beaten to a pulp. I completely agree with this sentiment and wish they would hurry up and finish the job.

    bekayne

    ikosmos wrote:

    One way to interpret Xi Jinping's remark is that the fight is not over, and fascism's sponsors today still need to be beaten to a pulp. I completely agree with this sentiment and wish they would hurry up and finish the job.

    With nukes, I presume

    Rev Pesky

    bekayne wrote:
    ...With nukes, I presume

    It wouldn't be nukes. Nukes can't differentiate  between civilians and sponsors of fascism. It will be a war of ideas, in which eventually fascism will  be crushed. We hope, right?

    ikosmos ikosmos's picture

    The role of the US and its NATO underlings in Ukraine is proof enough that fascism is still richly sponsored and funded in the West.  Good on the Chinese leader for recognizing that and calling a fascist a fascist. When the barking dog President Barak Obama howls from the rostrum of the UN that ebola, ISIS, and Russia (not in that order) are the key threats to peace today, everyone with a brain knows that the US Emperor has no clothes.

    The Empire will need to be de-fanged, one way or another. The alternative, ultimately, is US-initiated global catastrophe.

    Slumberjack

    As a conventional deterrent, carrier killer missiles, Iksander systems and the like look quite promising.  We've been shown often enough from the US model of foreign policy that peace is put at risk when nations do not have the resources to properly defend themselves.  The US only attacks nations with less robust defensive capabilities, like any predator in nature.

    ikosmos ikosmos's picture

    I would agree, Slumberjack, generally. However, the neo-cons are like the proverbial "little men" that William Shirer wrote about in his preface to The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Shirer wrote that the end of the world might come when these little men push the button. And the neo-cons are such men (and women!) They really must be de-fanged. Or relieved of responsibilities. The latter seems unlikely as they now dominate foreign policy "debates" in the US regime - whether "liberal" Democrat or "conservative" Republican.

    NDPP

    US 'Dragoon Crossing' Convoy Kicks Off Its Controversial Tour in E Europe (and vid)

    http://www.rt.com/news/315208-nato-tanks-controversial-parade/

    "The convoy has been dubbed the 'Dragoon Crossing' and aims to reassure NATO allies that the US military is ready if needed,' the alliance stated, adding that the soldiers will also be able 'to interact regularly with locals' they meet on their way. 'You are doing a really important job extremely important for collective defence and assurance,' NATO Security Council Jens Stoltenberg told the soldiers.

    In March, the NATO-US military operation Dragoon Ride, which was held across Poland and the Czech Republic prompted numerous protests..."

     

     

    Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

    Whats the point? Poland and the Czech Republic are NATO members. What does that have to do with invading Russia?

    Slumberjack

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    The convoy has been dubbed the 'Dragoon Crossing' and aims to reassure NATO allies ....blah blah blah.

    Who would want allies that are so easily reduced to quivering in their boots unless one parks a tank in their backyard to 'reassure' them?  Cheaper to toss them a security blanket instead and counsel them on the soothing qualities of thumb sucking.  If we can look past the childishness of having to reassure what the US is depicting with this line of propaganda as feckless eastern European dependants, what it really amounts to is spending Old Alliance tax dollars to reinforce the need for new Europe to fleece their own publics for the sake of everyone's MIC, which are largely interconnected.  For if they actually are in need of 'reassurance' from Uncle Peg Leg, there has to be some deep unattended psychological issues affecting the leadership of those countries.

    ikosmos ikosmos's picture

    Michel Chossudovsky has a couple of books related to the topic of this thread. They are:

    The Globalization of War: America’s “Long War” against Humanity (2015), and

    Towards a World War III Scenario: The Dangers of Nuclear War.

    The latter is from 2012.

    NDPP

    US Sends Twenty Nukes To Germany Despite Bundestag Decision

    https://youtu.be/BKuKuuaQOZ0

    "Starting third quarter 2015, the US Air Force is starting preparations to bring in new B-61 nuclear bombs to the Luftwaffe's Buchel Air Base, according to ZDF TV.

    Germany's parliament previously called for American nukes to be removed."

     

    NDPP

    There and Back Again - Your Trip Through the American Empire  -  by Tony Cartalucci

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2015/10/there-and-back-again-your-trip-...

    "The October 8, 2015 US Senate Committee on Armed Services titled 'Russian Strategy and Military Operations', gave viewers an instructive snapshot of the current state of America's dwindling power. The hearing is one of many interfaces between corporate-financier funded policy think-tanks and the politicians who will ultimately rubber-stamp their schemes and designs into law..."

    Note the presence here of the powerful Atlantic Council. Executive members of the Ukrainian Canadian Congress, the ultranationalist lobby including President Paul Grod, Kiev UCC representative Lenna Koszarny and her business partner, now Finance Minister of Ukraine, Natalie Jaresko, attended important and high level meetings at the Atlantic Council in the planning of their 'Ukraine in Europe' initiative.

    NDPP

    1000s March Against NATO War Games in Italy, Spain (and vid)

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/10/25/434828/Italy-Spain-NATO-war-gam...

    "Thousands of anti-war protesters in Italy and Spain have taken to the streets to express opposition to war games conducted in their respective countries by the US-led NATO military alliance - insisting that the aim of ongoing military drills - dubbed 'Trident Juncture 2015' - is to prepare for new aggression on the horizon..."

     

    US Pursuing Hitler's Drang Nach Osten Policy in Eastern Europe (and vid)

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/10/25/434829/US-Hitler-Drang-nach-Osten

    "...This move into Hungary - moving troops - is just one more chapter in the absolutely relentless onslaught  in the eastern expansion of NATO,' Daniel Patrick Welch said.

    'Since 1990 and well before that, as part of the breakup of the Soviet Union, it's a threat to Russia directly, and it's an obvious threat. It's meant to be a thread. It's Hitler's Drang nach Osten in another guise, and the US keeps pushing and pushing."

    Rev Pesky

    Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

    NDPP wrote:

    @ Geoff - Yes, 'the Russians are coming' has been a handy pretext for some time. As you can probably tell, it still works...

    As compared to your "the Americans are coming" thread your running here?

    The difference being that 'the Americans' did come. Here's a list of the countries bombed by the USA (and in many cases invaded as well) since WW2. this list does not include those countries the USA has tried to de-stabilize covertly. That list is a long one as well:

     

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    Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War)

    Guatemala 1954

    Indonesia 1958

    Cuba 1959-1961

    Guatemala 1960

    Congo 1964

    Laos 1964-73

    Vietnam 1961-73

    Cambodia 1969-70

    Guatemala 1967-69

    Grenada 1983

    Lebanon 1983, 1984 (both Lebanese and Syrian targets)

    Libya 1986

    El Salvador 1980s

    Nicaragua 1980s

    Iran 1987

    Panama 1989

    Iraq 1991 (Persian Gulf War)

    Kuwait 1991

    Somalia 1993

    Bosnia 1994, 1995

    Sudan 1998

    Afghanistan 1998

    Yugoslavia 1999

    Yemen 2002

    Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis)

    Iraq 2003-05

    Afghanistan 2001-05

     

    NDPP

    Putin's Question and the Ambassador's Answer  -  by Joyce Nelson

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/27/putins-question-and-the-ambassado...

    "...Several months ago, the Congressional Research Service released a report showing that since the events of 9/11, American taxpayers have shelled out approximately $1.6 trillion on military spending - which works out to $337 million per day, or $14 million per hour - spent every day for the past 14 years.

    Also in 2014, a Canadian parliamentary panel gave its full support for the government to join in the development of the US-led missile shield for North America..."

    Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

    There's just a little over a year to go until the U.S. elections, and nothing would help the Democrats more than starting a long, drawn-out, expensive and pointless war with Russia.  Except maybe pulling out all the stops to destroy the Moon.

    This thread doesn't really seem to be presenting any kind of plausible case that the U.S. is about to invade Russia; now it's just cherrypicked articles about how the United States doesn't care for Russia.  And also, evidently, has a military.

    Why not just merge it with one of the "Russophobia" threads?

    NDPP

    Just because you don't see or appreciate the danger doesn't mean it's not there and obviously so to others.

    Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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    Just because you don't see or appreciate the danger doesn't mean it's not there and obviously so to others.

    "Globophobia" is the formal term for the fear of balloons.

    Most of us aren't crippled by a fear of a balloon popping, but just because you don't see or appreciate the danger doesn't mean it's not there and obviously so to others.

    ikosmos ikosmos's picture

    Today the US carried out brinksmanship against China in the South China Sea ... and announced that 'ground troops' would be deployed to assist the (fictitious) Syrian Free Army. We may get US/Chinese and/or US/Russian troops face to face in the same day.

    What could go wrong?

    NDPP

    The 1983 'War Scare' in the Kremlin: Is History Repeating Itself?

    http://newcoldwar.org/the-1983-war-scare-in-the-kremlin-is-history-repea...

    "...Three decades later, history seems to be repeating itself. Washington and Moscow are once again exchanging ugly broadsides over the confrontations in Ukraine and Syria. The Russian-American arms control and disarmament dialogue has been pushed to the background of superpower conflict into the foreground.

    There is a full archive of articles on the NCW website on the nuclear war danger today. Find the archive here."

     

    Nuclear War, Nuclear Winter and Human Extinction

    http://newcoldwar.org/nuclear-war-nuclear-winter-and-human-extinction/

    "Why has the existential threat of nuclear war been effectively omitted from the public debate?"

    NDPP

    NATO Reveals Plan For Deploying 4,000 Troops on Russia's Borders

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/30/nato-o30.html

    "Plans to deploy some 4,000 NATO combat troops in countries bordering Russia were reported Thursday amid escalating tensions between Washington and Moscow over conflicting US and Russian military interventions in Syria. The deployment would represent a qualitative escalation of the US-led alliance's encirclement and military buildup against Russia, heightening the threat of both war in Europe and a military clash between the world's two largest nuclear powers.

    Adding to the provocative character of the proposed deployment, the troops, drawn from various NATO countries, would be placed under formal NATO command, an arrangement that is put in place in the event of a NATO war against a common enemy. Such a command structure is virtually unprecedented in peacetime..."

    NDPP

    Russia Warns of Growing US-Funded Bio-Weapons Labs in Region

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/10/31/435712/Russia-Security-Council-...

    "A senior Russian security official has warned of a rising number of US-funded research facilities that produce biological weaponry in countries near Russia's borders, describing the effort as 'a real problem."

    NDPP

    Putin: US Missile Defense Aimed at Neutralizing Russia Nukes, N Korea and Iran Just a Cover

    https://www.rt.com/news/321434-us-missile-shield-putin/

    "The US is attempting to achieve strategic military superiority with all the consequences that entails.' The Russian leader promised Russia would take the 'necessary measures to respond by strengthening its own missile defense. 'And at the first stage we are also going to develop strike weapons that can penetrate any missile defense shield."

    NDPP

    Are We Careening Toward WWIII ? (and vid)

    http://stopimperialism.org/are-we-careening-toward-world-war-iii/

    "Eric Draitser of Stop Imperialism.org appears on 'Behind the Headline' with Mnar Muhawesh, Editor in Chief of Mint Press News. Eric and Mnar discuss the global geopolitical and strategic situation as the West comes into conflict with Russia and China..."

    NDPP

    The Smell of War is in the Air...

    http://newcoldwar.org/the-smell-of-war-is-in-the-air/

    "The putrid smell of war draws near. It is difficult to make out, and for many - altogether impossible, but war is coming for us. As for me, I have not been able to shake off the feeling that the Third World War has already begun.

    For now, we still deceive ourselves that these are local conflicts and nothing more..."

    NDPP

    WWIII: Why Russia Will Bury the West

    http://thesaker.is/world-war-iii-why-russia-will-bury-the-west/

    "...Turkey's rash act of shooting down a Russian Air Force jet portends grave tidings for NATO. Because Turkey is a NATO member, if the Russian Air Force pounds the living daylights out of the Turks, at least in theory all the other members of the US-led military bloc are treaty-bound to come to its defence.

    Although the chances that the Americans will risk New York for Istanbul are smaller than small - which leaves a very nervous Turkey on its own - one can never rule out the possibility of a NATO hothead wanting to attack Russia..."

    Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

    NDPP wrote:

    Although the changes that the Americans will risk New York for Istanbul are smaller than small - which leaves a very nervous Turkey on its own - one can never rule out the possibility of a NATO hothead wanting to attack Russia..."

    As compared to a hot head in Russia risking St Petersburg to nuke Istanbul over a old SU-24 fighter bomber becouse they think the USA woun't risk New York to retaliate for the distruction of an NATO city?

    Holy shit who's the risk taker?

     

    NDPP

    I hardly think Istanbul has reason to fear a nuclear attack from Russia. As for Amurikkka with  scrambled egg loons like Breedlove or Hodges, led perhaps by President Trump or Clinton, -  who knows what nonsense could ensue.?

    ikosmos ikosmos's picture

    There are way more commentators, especially in relation to the Yanqui debacle in Syria, who are expressing sober-minded concern about the barbaric US regime and its NATO quislings slouching towards global war over Syria.

    The NATO regimes have - in gross violation of international law (what else is new you say?)- recently bombed Syrian military installations. It is a matter of time before Syria, armed with the latest S-300 and/or S-400 defence systems, and/or the Russian AF, shoots these NATO barbarians out of the sky.

    Let's be crystal clear. Syria is a sovereign country, recognized by the appropriate international bodies, such as the United Nations, with the right to defend itself from these NATO attacks. The USA is not globocop, whatever their feverish and brain dead politicians have to say. The only country with the right to be attacking ISIS in the territory of Syria is the one country that has been invited by the legitimate authority there. That is Russia.

    The NATO jackboot regimes are playing chicken, pure and simple. 

    indigo 007 indigo 007's picture

    alan smithee wrote:

    Lol..Let's hope so.

    The American military can hardly handle 'insurgents' in the desert.

    Russia allied with China would crush the American Empire.

    No worries.

    That is wishful thinking. If those three countries go head to head there would be no winners. There is no protection from American insanity

    NDPP

    Ukraine and NATO Threats Against Russia Continue  -  by Roger Annis

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/11/ukraine-and-nato-threats-against-...

    "...There is much irony to a CBC broadcast voicing concern over Trump's extreme-right views. CBC and the rest of Western, mainstream media have spent the past 21 months ignoring or downplaying the rise of fascism and extreme, right-wing nationalism in Ukraine.

    Since the Crimea secession, Ilya Ponomorev has been a darling of the neo-conservative right-wing in the US. He is regularly featured by neo-conservative outlets such as the Heritage Foundation, Atlantic Council, Washington Post and New York Times. He also gives lectures advising how Russia's elected and constitutional government might best be overthrown by the Western powers.

    To wit, the lightweight interview with him in Rabble.ca was conducted while he was a guest of the annual pro-militarism Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia, Canada..."

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