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War in Syria

 

 

August 15: as its defector PM says, the Assad regime as of mid-August only "controls" 30 per cent of the territory in Syria, and air power is losing its effectiveness as rebel forces get better-armed and down planes;

endgame in Syria approaching, with hopes for a broad transitional government, supported by both Arab League and Organization for Islamic Cooperation

 

Issues Pages: 
DaveW

suspicion of foreign interference vs. hope for a democratic regime in Syria,

the debate:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/15/syria-my-family-dilemma

Despite all that, though, I still firmly believe in the need for Bashar al-Assad and his regime to go. There is simply no feasible or acceptable scenario whereby he and his party can continue their decades-old, repressive, totalitarian rule.

Bashar may be secular but, like his late Iraqi counterpart Saddam Hussein, he is an equal opportunities oppressor, and the rich history of coexistence in both countries was not created by the Ba'ath parties. Indeed, my mother's inclusive childhood predates the Assad dynasty.

If a post-Assad Syria is to avoid the abyss of civil war, under no circumstances should minority rights be hindered. However, while it must be acknowledged that support for Assad is not limited to minorities, and opposition to him does not come solely from the Sunni Muslim majority, there are those who resent what they see as minorities' complicity or silence regarding his crackdown.

At the same time, one cannot ensure minority rights by repressing the majority (as has happened to Syria's Sunnis) – that, too, is a sure way to civil war. So it is incumbent on the opposition to reassure the minorities, and incumbent on minorities to stand with their revolutionary compatriots. Basically, the rights of all should be considered, respected, and treated as equal.

 

 

 

DaveW

 

 a very active Syria news site:

http://www.syrianews.cc/

DaveW

former chief of European diplomacy proposes a common approach to the endgame in Beirut daily:

http://www.lorientlejour.com/category/%C3%80+La+Une/article/773278/Vers_...

Parvenir à un accord implique impérativement que la Turquie, les États du Golfe et la Ligue arabe s’alignent sur une position commune. Ce n’est qu’à cette seule condition qu’ils parviendront à rallier l’ensemble des différentes factions de l’opposition syrienne – suspicieuses des intentions qui pourraient se cacher derrière un soutien unilatéral – et à se rapprocher des positions des minorités syriennes, lesquelles ne peuvent être exclues de ce processus. Cela pourrait contribuer à faire pression sur le Conseil de sécurité pour obtenir son aval et déclencherait un processus de transition en Syrie. Il ne sera pas facile de s’accorder sur un scénario post-Assad, mais aucune autre alternative n’est plus prometteuse pour la Syrie et la région.

 

Googled:

Reaching an agreement involves imperatively Turkey, the Gulf States and the Arab League aligned on a common position. It is only this  condition that  will succeed in rallying all factions of the Syrian opposition - suspicious of the intentions that could hide behind one-sided support - and to approach the positions of minorities in Syria, which cannot be excluded from this process. This could help put pressure on the Security Council for its approval and  trigger a transition process in Syria. It will not be easy to agree on a post-Assad scenario, but no other alternative is more promising for Syria and the region.

 

 

 

NDPP

Israel-US Script: Disintegrate Syria

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/14/256166/us-harbors-divisive-plots...

"What is happening in Syria is a sign of things to come for the region. Regime change is not the sole goal of the US and its allies in Syria. Dividing the Syrian Arab Republic is the end goal..."

 

Tim Harper: Is It Time for Canada and Allies to Arm the Syrian Rebels

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1241825--tim-harper-...

"...in the morality play here - moving arms to help kill versus standing by watching a dictator kill his own people - is really no choice at all.."

after Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, you'd have to be more than a few bricks short of a load to support this latest USRAELI project, which of course also leads directly to an attack upon Iran for a fictitious nuclear bomb program and eventual confrontations with Russia and China. Don't fall for it Canucklheads...

 

Fidel

[url=http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32358]Libyan Terrorists Are Invading Syria[/url]

[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VdKtvXvnW1s/UCqcKNQ7aaI/AAAAAAAAC1A/oGQNoOG911...

Image: Libyan Mahdi al-Harati of the US State DepartmentUnited Nations, and the UK Home Office (page 5, .pdf)-listed terrorist organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), addressing fellow terrorists in Syria. Harati is now commanding a Libyan brigade operating inside of Syria attempting to destroy the Syrian government and subjugate the Syrian population. Traditionally, this is known as "foreign invasion." 

 

Tony Cartalucci wrote:
Syria Is Suffering a Foreign Invasion, not a Revolution. 

To reach Syria, Libyan fighters must cross the Mediterranean Sea and enter via Turkey, or cross Egypt, Israel, and enter via Jordan. The government of Syria has threatened Libya in no conceivable manner, making Libya's campaign an intolerable act of military aggression. Worst of all, the NATO-installed government in Tripoli has officially approved of supporting military operations in distant Syria. ...

To say that Libya's LIFG is "sympathetic to Al Qaeda" would, however, be misleading. It is Al Qaeda.

LIFG merged with the US-Saudi created terror organization in 2007, according to the US Army's West Point Combating Terrorism Center report, "Al-Qa'ida's Foreign Fighters in Iraq:" 

The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group’s (LIFG) increasingly cooperative relationship with al‐Qa’ida, which culminated in the LIFG officially joining al‐Qa’ida on November 3, 2007. (page 9, .pdf)

U.S.-Qa'eda terrorists invading Syria with intentions of installing another U.S.-Qa'eda regime, this time in Damascus.

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NDPP

Canada Funelling Money for Medical Supplies to Syrian Opposition

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canada+funnelling+money+medical+suppli...

"The Canadian government is channelling $2 Million for medical supplies through a little known Syrian-Canadian group because it specifically wants the equipment to reach Syrian rebels, Postmedia has learned. This represents the first time Canada has provided direct material assistance to opposition forces..."

Congratulations Canada, your tax dollars are now helping Al Qaeda butcher Syrians...

 

Turkish Protesters Rally in Support of Assad

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/15/256468/turkish-protesters-rally-to-...

"Turkish protesters have held a demonstration in the southern province of Hatay near the Syrian border to show their support for the Syrian government. Last month a member of Turkey's parliament said that the Hatay province has become a hub for swarms of CIA and Mossad spies infiltrating into Syria freely..."

 

Lebanese Clansmen Abduct Syrians to Avenge Relative's Kidnap

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/15/256472/dozens-of-syrians-kidnapped-...

 

NDPP

Ceasefire Only Solution to Syrian Crisis: Opposition Activist (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-opposition-activist-crisis-653/

"The only path to peace in Syria is a ceasefire, yet a proxy war backed by outside groups is holding both the Syrian government and the opposition hostage, Syrian political activist Abdul-Aziz-Al-Khair says. Khair has been an opposition supporter for over a decade.."

Rikardo

Here in Quebec, the intellectua lDevoir newspaper feeds its readers with Agence France Press which get its reports from the so-called Syrian Observatory of Human Rights almost exclusively.  Left-wing Quebecers when they're not in the streets with red squares and pots and pans generally support humanitarian regime change, like Kosovo or Libya or Syria.

NDPP

Hey Rikardo - yeah well 'garbage in - garbage out'.  Things are pretty dismal in Canadian media on Syria  generally - even Rabble.ca SOHR is a very popular source for obvious reasons. Here's some additional info on them that may be of interest...

SOHR: Syrian Observatory For Human Rights - A Cheap Imitation

http://www.syrianews.cc/sohr-syrian-observatory-for-human-rights-a-cheap...

"a useful fake for false propaganda.."

 

Syria: Proxy War Powder Keg  -  by Bryce White

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32374

"Two conflicting narratives have developed to explain the country's recent violence. On one side, Western and Gulf policymakers and media have portrayed the uprising as spontaneous and peaceful, and the Syrian government as a ruthless and indiscriminate murderer of its civilians.

Other Arab governments, along with independent media and analysts, assert that the government is fending off terrorists armed and funded from abroad.

As time passes, the details emerging of the situation unfortunately confirm the latter..."

 

Syria Update: Terror and Hypocrisy (and vid)

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/08/syria-update-terror-hypocrisy.html

James Corbett reports..UN Observer Mission bombed by Rebels

Fidel

Rikardo wrote:
 Left-wing Quebecers when they're not in the streets with red squares and pots and pans generally support humanitarian regime change, like Kosovo or Libya or Syria.

Those were not humanitarian regime changes. That was the Gladio Gang installing their dope dealing, war criminals and murdering mafia friends in Kosovo, and aiding and abetting Al Qa'eda terrorists to takeover Libya and now Syria. And militant Islam is the biggest threat to women's rights in those countries. This is what the NATO spring is all about achieving - cutting whole countries in half along gender lines and destroying any hope for democracy. It's what the motherfuckers do.

Doug

Now the VP has jumped ship. Whatever the alternative to the Assads turns out to be, it looks like it's coming soon. 

howeird beale

NDPP wrote:

Hey Rikardo - yeah well 'garbage in - garbage out'. 

Syria Update: Terror and Hypocrisy (and vid)

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/08/syria-update-terror-hypocrisy.html

James Corbett reports..UN Observer Mission bombed by Rebels

 

Talk about garbage. This bombing was aimed at a meeting of army generals nearby. Its purpose was to attack the generals but also show that the rebels can strike anywhere, even in a fortified area where Syria's top generals hold their meetings.

Of course we could always take the dunce James Corbett's (on the ground, live from his apartment in Japan!) view as gospel:

"head scratching... goes against their own interests... hard to know what to make of this... I guess... I guess"

 

How compelling.

Just because some dork has a $20 webcam, that doesn't make him a "reporter."

NDPP

Syrian Government Must Be 'Smashed Fast': French FM

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/17/256792/syria-government-should-be-s...

"French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabien has said the government of Syrian President Bashar al Assad should be 'smashed fast'.."

hey France has 'socialists' that think the same as our NDP

 

'Israel, West Apoplectic Over Syria' (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/18/256912/israel-west-apoplectic-over-...

"An American author and historian says the US, Israeli regime, France and the UK are 'apoplectic' due to the failure of their anti-Syria plots.."

 

Syrian VP Farouq al-Shara Refutes Reports of Defection

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/18/256890/syrian-vp-refutes-reports-of...

the foreign backed 'rebels' have vowed to murder Syrian officials and public servants, while Qatar has offered huge bribes to defecting officials...yet the majority of Syrians still support the government over the West and their FSA-Al Qaeda mercenaries.

 

NDPP

Military Intervention in Syria Will Lead to Catastrophe: Lavrov (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/lavrov-military-intervention-syria-006/

"Military action in Syria will lead to catastrophe, Russia's Foreign Minister has said. Russia opposes US demands for a no-fly zone over Syria, he asaid, adding that the solution to the ongoing conflict is the Geneva Accord peace plan..."

 

Syria Rebels Warn They Will Turn To Al Qaeda if West Fails Them (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/syria-al-qaeda-exlposives-insurgents-801/

"The US spy chief has admitted that Al Qaeda might be behind recent suicide bombings in Syria. While rebels threaten they will have to make an alliance with Jihadists if they don't see more help from the West.."

 

Rebel Dark Side: Syria 'Charities' Mute on Atrocity Claims (and vid)

http://youtu.be/RX46rux2Hyo

"The embattled Syrian opposition has made a fresh plea for foreign action, as activists claim people's support for the insuregency is dwindling amid new allegations of rebel atrocities..."

 

Fidel

[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32360]None of the insurgents were Syrian. Britons among foreign mercenaries: UK journalist[/url]

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A British photographer who was captured by insurgents in Syria has said that his captors were foreign extremists including several Britons with “not a Syrian in sight”.

On July 19, freelance photographer John Cantile, alongside his Dutch colleague Jeroen Oerlemans, was kidnapped in northern Syrian and freed one week later.

Cantile said he was held in a camp by 30 foreign extremists including some from Britain and Pakistan. He also revealed that some of his captors were “young men with south London accents”.

“They were aiming their Kalashnikovs at a British journalist, Londoner against Londoner in a rocky landscape that looked like the Scottish Highlands”, said Cantile.

The British photographer also disclosed that some of the insurgents could not even speak Arabic, with around a dozen of his captors speaking English out of whom nine spoke with London accents.

“Not a Syrian in sight. This wasn't what I had expected”, Cantile added. “Two of them were so Anglicised they couldn't speak Arabic”.

The unemployment situation in Britain must be pretty bad for them to resort to murdering people for the Gladio Gang Inc. 

[url=http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/pers-a03.shtml]CIA handing out weapons and cash to murdering scum of the earth marauding into Syria[/url]

NDPP

Obama Threatens To Attack Syria

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-syria-weapons-president-153/

"In an address made early Monday, the commander in chief confirmed that he has not ruled out an offensive strike on Bashar al Assad and his regime.."

 

US Disregards Remarks by UN Envoy to Syria Over Assad's Resignation

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/21/257315/us-challenges-un-syrias-envo...

"US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland says Syrian President Bashar al Assad should relinquish power, challenging teh remarks made by newly appointed UN peace envoy for Syria..."

 

West Recruiting Thugs to Crush Syria: Analyst

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/20/257244/west-waging-war-with-terror-...

"A political analyst says the West is hypocritically recruiting the same thugs it supposedly waged the bloody and costly 'war on terror' against a decade ago, to topple the Syrian government today..."

NDPP

US Desperation Surfaces in Syria  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/08/us-desperation-surfaces-in-syri...

"Obama's bizarre threats indicative of losing strategy and increasing desperation..."

 

 

The Plan for a New World Order Stumbles on Geopolitical Realities  - by Imad Fauzi Shweibi

http://www.voltairenet.org/The-plan-for-a-New-World-Order

"...the ambitious US New World Order is being shattered by new geopolitical realities.."

DaveW

 

Damascus regime, facing the inevitable, "ready to discuss" departure of al-Assad

in middle of prolonged standoff with rebels in Aleppo:

http://actu.orange.fr/une/syrie-damas-pret-a-discuter-d-un-depart-d-assa...

...  le Conseil national syrien (CNS), principale coalition de l'opposition, "étudie" la formation d'un "gouvernement de transition", a annoncé son président Abdel Basset Sayda, après sa rencontre avec le président français François Hollande à Paris.

"C'est un processus qui demande beaucoup de consultations, il ne faut pas aller trop vite mais le CNS tente d'y parvenir le plus rapidement possible", a-t-il poursuivi.

Combats violents

Mais sur le terrain, la bataille n'est pas prête de s'essouffler.

Une source syrienne des services de sécurité a affirmé à l'AFP que "des renforts" de l'armée et des rebelles se dirigeaient vers Alep, estimant que c'est "une guerre qui va prendre beaucoup de temps".

"Nous contrôlons désormais plus de 60% de la ville d'Alep", a affirmé à l'AFP le colonel Abdel Jabbar al-Oqaidi, chef du conseil militaire rebelle de la province d'Alep, en affirmant que "le peuple est avec eux".

[...]

 

 

NDPP

Russia, China Say Bypassing UN Rules is 'Impermissable'

http://rt.com/politics/russia-bypassing-un-inadmissible-189/

"Russia and China called for other nations to strictly observe the UN Charter and the International law after the US said it would bypass the UN in its actions on Syria.."

 

'West's Chemical Weapons Talk Just Pretext for Intervention': Syrian Deputy PM Jamil (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/west-chemical-weapons-intervention-249/

"President Obama's recent statement about a chemical weapons' 'red-line' is just the West's pretext for intervention, Syria's Deputy PM has said, also stating that Bashar Assad's resignation is discussable but cannot be a precondition for talks.."

 

 

US, Britain Fright Proxy War to Overthrow Assad Government: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/20/257223/us-uk-fight-proxy-war-in-syr...

"The Western powers, the US and Great Britiain among others, are determined to essentially bring down the Assad regime. And not being able to do it through the UN, they do it surreptitiously by aiding the rebel forces adn this has been going on for a very long time.."

 

Western Powers Not After Democracy in Syria: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/21/257431/west-not-after-democracy-in-...

"These armed opposition groups are not interested in negotiating with the Syrian government. Neither are the backers of these armed opposition groups, which are the White House as well as Downing Street in London..."

 

 

NDPP

Yara Saleh - Hostage of the 'Free Syrian Army' (and vid)

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2012/08/yara-saleh-hostage-of-f...

"Journalist taken prisoner by the Free Syrian Army responds to questions.."

NDPP

Renewed Lebanese Clashes Violate Ceasefire, Kill 12

http://rt.com/news/lebanon-syria-conflict-spillover-388/

"Clashes have erupted in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli in defiance of a ceasefire, bringing the death toll to 12. Skirmishes between pro and anti-Damascus fighters in Tripoli have heightened fears the Syrian conflict will engulf its neighbor..."

NDPP

Lebanon: Clashes Breach Fragile Tripoli Ceasefire

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/24/257824/clashes-breach-fragile-tripoli/

"Sheikh Nabal Rahim of the Salafist movement in Lebanon has expressed his worries of Lebanon's 'catching the Syrian Flu'.."

Of course Lebanon, with Syria is a member of the 'Resistance block' and as such is included with Syria on the USRAELI hit list along with Iran..

NDPP

Turkey's Anti-Syria Alliance with US, Lethal Embrace (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/24/257876/turkeyus-alliance-lethal-emb...

"Since the onset of the foreign-backed insurgency in Syria, Turkey has actively played the CIA assigned role of arming, funding and supporting the anti-Syrian terrorists." Discussion with Webster Tarpley and other activists.

Fidel

[url=http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32472]"Two Cheers" for Terrorism: US Mainstream Media Applauds Syria's Al Qaeda Rebels[/url]

[url=[/url]">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32303][img]http://...

Quote:

Image: Must be seen to believe - screenshot of FP's article literally titled, "Two Cheers for Syrian Islamists." The writer, Gary Gambill, comes from the Middle East Forum which regular features the warmongering rants of Neo-Cons like Daniel Pipes and Islamophobia-propagandist Robert Spencer.  
....Gambill continues his "two cheers" for terrorism in perhaps the most perverse statement found to-date in the Western press on the subject:  

"Islamists -- many of them hardened by years of fighting U.S. forces in Iraq -- are simply more effective fighters than their secular counterparts. Assad has had extraordinary difficulty countering tactics perfected by his former jihadist allies, particularly suicide bombings and roadside bombs."

Gambill is gushingly praising men who have killed Western troops, admiring their prowess on the battlefield through their use of indiscriminate terrorist tactics which have killed and maimed tens of thousands of civilians across the Arab World.

Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth Just one Anglican priest?

 

NDPP

Syrian Christians in 2 Week Blockade by Rebel Fighters, Residents Desperate

http://rt.com/news/syrian-rebels-blockade-christians-549/

"An estimated 12,000 people have spent 2 weeks blockaded in the Christian town of Rableh, Syria, near Homs. 'We have organized ourselves so we can stand by each other and we are sharing everything we have so we can survive. We need all the help we can get. Please help us,' a local priest told the Caritas, a Lebanon-based Catholic humanitarian organization..."

Sorry folks, Canada's backing the rebels trying to kill you...

 

NDPP

Syria: Regime Change Prep, France 'No Fly', US Special Ops & Iran

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2012/08/syrian-prepping-for-reg...

"In Ankara, Turkish and US officials began their first 'operational planning' meeting and bringing about an end to the Syrian regime.."

NDPP

With 'Friends' Like These...: Contact Group Industry in Overthrowing Governments  -  by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya

http://rt.com/news/contact-group-overthrowing-governments-665/

"Anybody who has studied how the US and NATO worked to topple the Jamahiriya in Libya knows that the US has tried to replicate the same regime-change mechanism in Syria. The function of mulitlateral contact groups supporting proxy opposition has been a key to this process.

What most people do not know is that America's contact group industry started in Somalia. Somalia's status as a divided, lawless and unstable state has been the model for the new divided and lawless Libya and what the US sees in the cards for a Syria plagued with civil war.."

 

France Tells Syrian Opposition to Form Government, Pledges to Recognize It (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/france-syria-opposition-government-679/

"French President Francois Hollande has called on the Syrian opposition to form a provisional government, saying his country will recognize it as legitimate. Brian Becker, director of the ANSWER anti-war coalition, told RT that Western states are pushing forward the idea of a proxy government as part of their colonial agenda in the Middle East. And such a move would lay a strong basis for a full-scale military intervention, he added..."

 

 

Fidel

NDPP wrote:

Yara Saleh - Hostage of the 'Free Syrian Army' (and vid)

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2012/08/yara-saleh-hostage-of-f...

"Journalist taken prisoner by the Free Syrian Army responds to questions.."

Journalist of the privately-owned Al Ekhbariya TV channel, Yara Saleh was taken prisoner with her team by the Free Syrian Army. She was spared and held hostage while a large mobilization in Europe put pressure on the French President to order his FSA friends to release her. Rescued in the end by the Syrian national army, she agreed to respond to the questions of Voltaire Network.

They were misled by western propaganda. Those Syrians will be weary of FSA foreign mercenaries and thugs for hire from now on.

NDPP

'Syrian Crisis, Proxy War Against Russia'  -  by Yuri Fernandez

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/08/28/258609/syrian-crisis-proxy-war-agai...

"There are numerous economic and cultural bonds between Russia and Syria..."

 

NATO Terrorists Target Syria and Algria  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/08/nato-terrorists-target-syria-al...

NATO's Pan Arab terrorist blitzkrieg. Libyan militants have been confirmed to be leading entire brigades of foreign fighters inside Syria. With the US now openly arming and supporting and literally 'cheering' Al Qaeda in Syria, it is clear that the 'War on Terror' is an unprecedented geopolitical fraud.."

 

NDPP

The Brahimi Plan  - by Thierry Meyssan

http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Brahimi-Plan

"This NATO confidence man has been entrusted with the task of unleashing all out civil war in Syria..."

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

There can not be all out civil war in Syria unless the majority of Syrians want it.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

There can not be all out civil war in Syria unless the majority of Syrians want it.

Fidel

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

There can not be all out civil war in Syria unless the majority of Syrians want it.

Is that like when a majority of Afghans wanted civil war from 1992 to 1996 when Gladio allies turned their backs on the carnage in that country while continuing to shovell money and weapons to drug barons and warlords? 

Is it like when Vietnamese wanted "civil war" and freedom from "communist oppression"? 

Do Americans ever learn or are they all sponges for the pro war propaganda?

Fidel

Back it up. What do you know about Syria other than what neoNazi television broadcasters tell you to think?

Most Syrians back Assad

You're actually refusing to believe a U.S. client state's own poll revealing the majority of Syrian opinions. It's unAmerican to disbelieve the imperialist POV, Bec. You're a disgrace to the flag. Love it or leave it.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

There can not be all out civil war in Syria unless the majority of Syrians want it.

Are you saying that the majority of Koreans, Spaniards and US citizens wanted their respective civil wars? (I'm sure there are numerous other examples as well as Afghanistan.)

Fidel

laine lowe wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

There can not be all out civil war in Syria unless the majority of Syrians want it.

Are you saying that the majority of Koreans, Spaniards and US citizens wanted their respective civil wars? (I'm sure there are numerous other examples as well as Afghanistan.)

The Sons of Liberty were terrorists. The country was born of terrorism. It's what they do. It's a theme that they've exported to other countries where capitalist dogs are looking to cock their hind legs up.

"Where there is confusion there is profit." ~ unknown

Quote:
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. " ~ Michael Parenti

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Fidel your a real block head sometimes... I belive most Syrians support thier government, that is why Assad stays in power for fucks sake. What I'm saying is "There is no way a outside mercenary force of international jihadist could defeat the entire nation of Syria on thier own without the Syrian people's help or indifference".

Some of you act like Assad's side is losing... sheez.

 

Fidel

So you're saying these terrorists marauding in over Syrian borders could carry on for quite a while as long as Gladio support continues? Using prisoners as suicide bombers is a war crime. I guess they don't teach the rules to their Qa'eda mercenaries or scum of the earth for hire in general.

NDPP

I think he has a point. Despite all that has been thrown at it, Syria is hanging together. And I think it is because most Syrians know that if the multi-ethnic alchemy of their state shatters all hell will fall upon their heads. And they all know what happened to Libya...

Fidel

I think what he means is that it would happen faster with help from the luftwaffe, like they did when perpetrating Libyan 9/11 complete with Al Qa'eda ground troops. They'll continue funding and arming terrorists in the mean time. The war crimes and medieval siege of Syria will continue unabated. It's a new dark ages.

NDPP

I have seen reports that such is being arranged alas...It is indeed a siege and it is indeed a new dark ages - and the dimness appears to be decending here as well...

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

This...

NDPP wrote:

I think he has a point. Despite all that has been thrown at it, Syria is hanging together. And I think it is because most Syrians know that if the multi-ethnic alchemy of their state shatters all hell will fall upon their heads. And they all know what happened to Libya...

Not this...

Fidel wrote:

I think what he means is that it would happen faster with help from the luftwaffe, like they did when perpetrating Libyan 9/11 complete with Al Qa'eda ground troops. They'll continue funding and arming terrorists in the mean time. The war crimes and medieval siege of Syria will continue unabated. It's a new dark ages.

As much as Assad is a dictator I do not want to see Syria fall to a bunch of Sunni hardliners and I suspect most Syrians feel the same way. It’s kind of like here in the USA with the political and economic change that is needed; nobody really want s to go through what it would really take to do such a thing because they are uncertain of the outcome. So you get what we have now…

In all honesty I really can’t say for sure what the Syrians want; the only Arabs from the Middle East I get to talk to this about are Lebanese and they tend to think it’s more a fight between Shia and Sunni branches of Islam than political ideologies. That’s their take on this anyways, who an I to say they are wrong.

 

NDPP

GRTV: Exposing the 'Red Line' in Syria (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/08/exposing-red-line-syria

"The lies, half-truths and exaggerations behind this 'red line' thesis are gradually being exposed. James Corbett, Michel Chossudovsky and Eric Draitser."

Gonzaga

Man it's hard to disentangle all that gets said about Syria. At least (and it's not much), the Devoir used to note when information was coming from FSA and Observatory sources so you could discount it right off, but that meant the stories simply evaporated. The Global Research TV posting is useful though. The whole "red line" rhetoric seems to date back to the Syrian government's declaration that it would never use chemical weapons against its own population (because they were only for repelling outside invaders). This was immediately twisted around and referred to as "Syria's threat to use chemical weapons if invaded." I have written repeatedly to newspapers to correct their stories, but of course they have yet to print anything, let alone clean up their act. Big surprise.

Fidel

Gonzaga wrote:
 I have written repeatedly to newspapers to correct their stories, but of course they have yet to print anything, let alone clean up their act. Big surprise.

It's supposed to be a war crime since Nuremberg to broadcast pro war propaganda. Our newspapers and TV stations are mostly all owned and or controlled by those whose interests are furthered by the neoliberal military agenda, so I guess they are immune from prosecution for the time being.

Fidel

[url=http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/330734]Senior CFR official: Free Syrian Army needs al-Qaeda support[/url]

Ed Husain wrote:
"...In short, the FSA needs al-Qaeda now."

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Meanwhile, the Seattle Times reports that the UK is sending $5 million of financial assistance to the Free Syrian Army. In addition, the CIA has smuggled 14 stinger missiles to Syrian rebels, according to the UK Mirror. Whether these resources are making their way into the hands of Al Qaeda remains to be seen.

Imagine, for a moment, that Afghan and Syrian mullahs, Russian Tsars and wacky George in England had armed confederate soldiers in the southern U.S. with the latest weaponry. In case of 1980's Afghanistan, it was billions of dollars and weaponry funelled to the most extreme right wing sectarian groups and drug barons. 

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Wow, the UK Mirror must really know what they are talking about; look at the picture they showed for a stinger ground to air missle...

Un fucking believable... One can only wonder what else they got wrong in the story.

Also the South would have still lost.

Fidel

Every other country makes Stinger equivalents of the shoulder launch or air-to-air type. That one looks like the same heat seeking variety but mounted on the tail wing of an aircraft. Details, details. 

And the South could have won the war at any time and even late in the war at key times according to various scholarly American opinions. The north enjoyed a manufacturing advantage among other things. Imagine that the north's manufacturing advantage was cancelled with imported weaponry to aid the South and mercenaries for hire from anywhere, like Mexico, Central America and beyond. What was a terrible civil war could have been made worse and results tilted in favour of the south. Easily.

Your countrymen and others aided and abetted the equaivalent of southern confederates and right wing fundamentalists in 1980's Afghanistan, and then funded and armed them directly during the civil war from 1992 to 1996.

They were moderate Muslims in 1990's Bosnia, but the Clinton regime helped to change all that by creating a militant Islamic base in that country according to Republican Senate Committee reports which received no mention whatsoever in the 9/11 Commission cover-up among other sordid details of U.S. involvement with terrorists leading up to the post-2001 phony global war on terror.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

ID fail for you Fidel, that's a Sidewinder missle... not a Stinger. They are mounted on aircraft (like here) or air defence vehicals. Look at how big it is compared to the man sanding next to it. How on earth could you launch that off your shoulder?

Here's a stinger missle...

Big difference wouldn't you say?

Sending or smuggling stinger missiles into Syria would be a serious escalation on thepart of the USA. Despite what I know you’re going to say I doubt they will do it. So far all the Syrian aircraft I’ve seen shot down, one jet and a helicopter, were brought down by heavy machinegun fire. The jet was hit as it was taking off from an air field and the helicopter was making strafing runs. Both were at low altitudes and well within machinegun range.

It would be real obvious if they started using stinger missiles.

A_J

Anyway, interesting paper on a simulation conducted back in June: Unraveling the Syria Mess: A Crisis Simulation of Spillover from the Syrian Civil War

Basically, a bunch of neo-cons from the Brookings Institute, The Saban Center for Middle East Policy and the American Enterprise Institute role-played as the U.S., Turkey and Saudi Arabia and even they didn't want to get involved in Syria.

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