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US Vows to Prevent War in Syria if Damascus Breaks Ties with Iran

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/04/21/us-vows-to-prevent-war-...

"...Of course, in the very first few weeks of the conflict in Syria, the US Secretary of Defense sent a message to the Syrian government, and said we should have cut our ties with the Islamic Republic of Iran if we wanted to stop the war and stressed that if we did so, they would provide us with whatever we wanted.'

According to US Senator Rand Paul, the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, not only supervised the shipment of weapons to the Syrian opposition, but also recruited jihadists for the Syrian opposition..."

 

Syria President Bashar al Assad Interview (and vid)

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article34683.htm

"Syria's president had a lengthy interview with Syrian Ikhbariya News Channel on the occasion of Syria's Independence Day, 17 April, 2013. Video embedded below with English subtitles."

NDPP

Israeli Camp in US Congress Seeks War on Syria: Kamel Wazne (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/04/26/300384/israeli-camp-in-us-seeks...

"A political analyst tells Press TV that the US should be very careful because Syria is not alone and any attempt to use military intervention or excuse to attack Syria is going to bring the whole region into a war.."

NDPP

EU Eases Syria Oil Sanctions to Assist Rebels

http://rt.com/news/eu-syria-embargo-oil-206/

"EU governments have agreed to ease sanctions on Syrian allowing European importers to buy oil from the Syrian opposition. The move is aimed at EU countries providing a financial lifeline to rebels fighting Syrian government forces.

The move is also an attempt to bolster the SNC's credibility among Syrians oppposing the country's President Bashar Assad. 'So what they are doing is legalizing theft by an armed gang. The European Union is waving the flag of Al Qaeda'.."

NDPP

America, the Beautiful Liar, Hits Syria

http://www.roitov.com/articles/beautiful.htm

"...In 2003, Israel had wagged the dog superbly using its human assets in the USA to trick America into attacking Iraq. The interference in America's inner issues was openly acknowledged by Hebrew media who provided daily reports on the pressure placed as American Jewish communities, the Israeli lobby in Washington and any other organization even remotely linked to the Zionist enterprise.

Nowdays, the same is taking place with regard to Syria..."

 

Israel Spy Agency Has Presence in Syria, Says Senior Rebel General

http://intelnews.org/2013/04/25/01-1245/

"...General Salim Idriss Chief of Staff for the Free Syrian Army, told CNN's Christiane Amanpour that the Jewish state has 'many, many' intelligence officers in various parts of Syria..

 

NDPP

Syria in Boston  -  by Thierry Meyssan

http://www.voltairenet.org/article178273.html

What has Syria got to do with the Boston bombing? Nothing at first glance, yet this event - and the clamor it has sparked - provides the key explanation for the Kerry-Lavrov plan deadlock. It nothing is happening in Syria, it is because Washington and Moscow have run into unforeseen difficulties, including the Chechen imbroglio..."

 

NDPP

NYT: 'Nowhere in Rebel-Controlled Syria Is There a Secular Fighting Force to Speak Of' 

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2013/04/nyt-nowhere-in-rebel-controlled...

"In an astounding admission, the New York Times confirms that the so-called 'Syrian opposition' is entirely run by Al Qaeda and literally states:

'Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.'

From the beginning, it was clear to geopolitical activists that the conflict in Syria was not 'pro-democracy' protesters rising up, but rather the fruition of a well-documented conspiracy between the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia to arm and direct sectarian extremists affiliated with Al Qaeda against the Syrian government..

NDPP

Pro-Israeli US Lawmakers Urge Bombing Syrian Air Bases, Arming Militants, Invasion

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/04/29/300874/us-senators-urge-bombing...

"Top US Republican lawmakers have again called for further American actions against Syria, including the bombing of its air bases, leading a multi-nation invasion of the country and sending lethal weapons to anti-Damascus militant gangs..."

 

'West is Using Possibility of Chemical Weapons to Encourage Intervention in Syria'

http://rt.com/op-edge/chemical-weapons-encourage-intervention-476/

"I think there is a move where they're trying to amass more and more reasons for going to war. We already have US and British troops training in Jordan near the Syrian border. We already have money coming in from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to fund the opposition. We already have the Turkish government who has provided facilities for the Free Syrian Army. And I think this is a further ratchet up towards the possibility of war..."

Fidel

[url=NATO">http://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-backed-al-qaeda-terrorists-target-syri... Backed Al Qaeda Terrorists Target Syrian Prime Minister in Damascus[/url]

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Initial information mentioned the explosive device was detonated by a ‘non-lethal’ remote control provided by citizens of the United States as part of the $365 million plus $135 million cut from US citizens’ welfare and paid to Al-Qaeda directly in Syria.

8 killed, 16 injured in this explosion per initial reports and the number is expected to rise, Dr. Halaqi checked at a hospital for minor injuries and was discharged, he continued his daily work as usual. Note the school girls crossing by in the above video.

Syria’s infrastructure is systematically targeted as well in an obvious plot to destroy another sovereign secular state and replace it with fanatic ‘anti-Islamic’ Islamist enclaves.

Another case for our right wing fundamentalists supporting other right wing fundamentalist extremists, again, except this time they are in Syria and marauding in over the borders from other Gladio-Qaeda friendly nations supportive of NATO-backed terrorism.

NDPP

UN Renews Call for Full Access to Syria for Chemical Weapons Inquiry

http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-un-593/

"The UN chief has urged Damascus to give its fact-finding team full access to sites where chemical weapons were allegedly ised, stressing that he takes seriously the recent US report about the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warned that using weapons of mass destruction as a tool in geopolitical games prevents an honest investigation of their alleged use in Syria..."

 

Israeli Intelligence Directorate Sends America to War

http://www.roitov.com/articles/aman.htm

"Two-entwined red-lines. IDF Intelligence Directorate expects the USA to attack Syria.."

 

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

From the article posted above: "The Jewish Brain Invents Patents"...

Undecided As compared to other brains?

NDPP

@Bec: American brains are much the same..

 

At Least 13 Killed, More Than 70 Injured as Massive Car Blast Rocks Central Damascus

http://rt.com/news/syria-damascus-blast-injured-609/

"Al Ikhbariya TV described the blast as a terrorist explosion..."

NDPP

West's WMD Lies Fraying as Syrian Army Overruns Terrorist Proxies  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2013/04/wests-wmd-lies-fray-as-syrian-a...

"Absurd chemical weapons' claims begin to fall apart amidst NATO's desperate bid to solve its collapsing terror front in Syria..."

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

NDPP wrote:

@Bec: American brains are much the same..

 

How do you know?

NDPP

a little birdie told me...caw Cool

North Star

Apparently when an Islamist organization intervenes on Assad's side its no big deal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/30/hezbollah-syria-uprising-nasrallah

NDPP

Obama's FSA Terrorists Have Been Using Chemical Weapons in Syria for 4 Months

http://humanrightsactivists.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/obamas-fsa-terroris...

"Terrorists threw 'unknown powder' in the faces of a number of citizens in Idleb to accuse the army of using chemical weapons against citizens..."

NDPP

North Star wrote:

Apparently when an Islamist organization intervenes on Assad's side its no big deal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/30/hezbollah-syria-uprising-nasrallah

US Seeks to Foment Violence Across Middle East: Sabah Jawad

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/01/301333/us-seeks-to-foment-unres...

"Press TV has conducted an interview with Sabah Jawad, director of the Iraqi Democrats Against Occupation about the situation in Iraq. 'It is not only in Syria, it is spreading to Iraq. It is spreading to Lebanon. So there is an implementation of a new Sykes-Picot plan for the Middle East, to fragment the area and to make the people busy killing each other while the US gets away with murder and looting the economies..."

Rikardo

Could it be that Syria is a FAILURE for the Humanitarian Interventionists, the R2P proponents?  Was Libya their last TRIUMPH ?Obviously Western governments are involved behind the scenes and have helped those planning to overthrow of the Baa'thists for a while. For us Canadians "It is not our war" (Neither was WW1 where 60,000 Canadians died for nothing-not my Uncle Charlie who survived '17 and '18)

NDPP

sure hope so Rikardo...because it's Syria they seek to destroy, not just Assad.

 

Syrian Guerrillas are 'Simple Country Folk with No Clear Ideology' - Captive Journalist to RT

http://rt.com/news/syrian-rebels-kocheva-interview-665/

"The Syrian opposition is made up of young men with little education, brainwashed into fighting President Assad, journalist Anhar Kocheva told RT. Kocheva spoke of her time as a hostage, describing a ragtag group of men devoid of tangible ideals.."

 

The US is Supporting the Most Violent Muslim Terrorists in Order to Wage War for Oil

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/the-u-s-is-supporting-the-most-vi...

"When we finish with Assad, we will fight the US!' - AQ Syrian Rebel

NDPP

The Flux of Syria, Iraq and Kurds (and vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI5aco-qEfU

"Syrian Girl visited London with Danni Makki of Syrian Youth, they answered questions about the region. This is the First part of a two-part interview.."

Part 2: Russia Supplies Syria

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpmbGDdCRg

Rikardo

My last post was so naive.  Syria may indeed just be another Rwanda for the R2P humanitarian interventionists.  If only we had intervened.  Russia’s veto prevented us from saving the Syrians.  

Libya was not their last triumph.  They, Axworthy, Segal, Broadbent and company, and all those NGO's on the R2P website, won’t give up.  Just like a XIXth century Canadian missionary in China I read about.

NDPP

Israeli Regime Has Attacked Syria: US Officials

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/04/301687/us-believes-israel-attac...

"Two US officials say the Israeli regime has 'most likely' conducted an airstrike on Syria, as the Syrian army continues to regain control of militant infested areas..."

 

The Syria-Iran Red Line Show  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-020513.html

"The eminently Bushist Obama 'red-line' business, applied to Syria, Iran or both, is becoming a tad ridiculous..."

sherpa-finn

Rikardo: Could it be that Syria is a FAILURE for the Humanitarian Interventionists, the R2P proponents?  Was Libya their last TRIUMPH ?

Absolutely its a failure. 

The casualty numbers in Libya (with R2P intervention) are generally agreed to have been between 15,000 - 20,000 deaths.

The numbers in Syria (without R2P intervention) are c. 70,000 dead ,- increasing daily with no end in sight.   

So absolutely, there has been a failure of the international community. That's obvious and disturbing. And nobody has paid a higher price for this failure than Syrian civilians.

Equally disturbing is the bizarre, gleeful delight of some Babblers of a "free-market" approach to international and civil conflict and the ever-climbing casualty count. 

Unionist

sherpa-finn wrote:

Equally disturbing is the bizarre, gleeful delight of some Babblers of a "free-market" approach to international and civil conflict ...

Yeah! Whatever happened to the good old days when the White Christian fuckers had the monopoly on international police enforcement?

"Like" if you remember those days!

Gosh darn free market.

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Sherpa-Finn for someone who supposedly promotes R2P as an option you don't seem to understand it very well. As you know I don't agree with the idea but if you are going to promote regime change then don't hide behind a doctrine that does not even fit the Syrian situation. The Syrian government has not committed genocide against its people.  If did kill protestors, which they dispute, the numbers were never very high and the incidents were sporadic run of the mill totalitarianism not an orchestrated murder campaign like in Rwanda. The government has been offering to negotiate a peaceful route to elections for over a year and they have been told by the Western backed terrorists that regime change is a precondition.

You are arguing for imperial intervention to install a government favourable to the US and its NATO allies not for the protection of Syrians. The flawed concept of R2P doesn't have any relevance because the minimum conditions for invoking it have not come close to being met.

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According to the International Commission for Intervention and State Sovereignty (ICISS) Report in 2001 (which was not adopted by national governments), any form of a military intervention initiated under the premise of responsibility to protect must fulfill the following six criteria in order to be justified as an extraordinary measure of intervention:

  1. Just Cause - Is the threat a "serious and irreparable harm occurring to human beings"?[16]
  2. Right Intention - Is the main intention of the military action to prevent human suffering or are there other motives?[17]
  3. Final Resort - Has every other measure besides military invention been taken into account? (This does not mean that every measurement has to be applied and failed, but that there are reasonable grounds to believe that only military action would work in that situation)[17]
  4. Legitimate Authority
  5. Proportional Means - Are the minimum necessary military means applied to secure human protection?[17]
  6. Reasonable Prospect - Is it likely that military action will succeed in protecting human life, and are the consequences of this action sure not to be worse than no action at all?[17]

knownothing knownothing's picture

Huge explosion outside Damascus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8dRLRIGYo

NDPP

Israeli Airstrikes Hit Western Desperation in Syria (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/damascus-syria-explosions-sunday-831

"Strong blasts hit the outskirts of the Syrian capital early on Sunday..."

 

US Fails to Apply Libya Model to Syria: Don Debar (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/05/301870/us-fails-to-apply-libya-...

"Press TV has conducted an interview with Don Debar.."

 

 

NDPP

Israeli Airstrike on Syria

http://www.roitov.com/articles/syriaairstrike.htm

"There is no better testimony that the situation in Syria has deteriorated into a full war than the fogginess accompanying reports from there..."

 

Israel Used Depleted Uranium Shells in Airstrike: Syrian Source

http://rt.com/news/syria-israel-uranium-air-strike-847/

"Israel used a 'new type of weapon' a senior official of the Syrian military facility that came under attack from the Israeli Air Force told RT..."

NDPP

False Flag Undertakings Provide Pretext for US Wars (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/05/301987/false-flags-predicate-us...

"All of this is by way of accelerating, as Wilkerson has decribed, false flag undertakings that provide a rationale and pretext for long established plans the US and Israel have for waging war in the region. Analyst Ralph Schoenman interviewed."

North Star

Noticed people Assad sympathizers on Twitter have nothing better to do than slander the opposition by claiming an alliance with Israel.

 

From the National Coalition of Syrian Revolution and Opposition Forces:

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The Syrian Coalition condemns the Israeli attacks on the Syrian Center for Scientific Research in Jamaraya near Damascus. The Coalition holds the Assad regime fully responsible for weakening the Syrian Army by exhausting its forces in a losing battle against the Syrian people; who are the reason for its existence.
 
It is clear that the regime, which claims to be an opposing force, is instead weakening Syria in the face of an enemy. Until this point, the regime has worked at maintaining the best interests of the Assad family and the Assad rule. This has lead to wasted human capacity, a declining economy and weakened national foundations, which are gradually bringing the nation closer to total collapse.

http://www.etilaf.org/en/newsroom/press-release/item/448-statement-regar...

This Israeli attack actually strengthens Assad's hand. Nice work there Israel.

NDPP

John Baird Clarifies Canada's Position Against Military Campaign in Syria

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/john-baird-clarifies-canada...

"Mr Baird was asked on the program: 'Does Canada support discussions that are under way right now among our allies about a wider air campaign against Syrian targets? He responded by saying: 'Listen, I mean obviously we're talking with our allies.'

Mr Baird left no ambiguity, however, about the question of arming Syrian rebels trying to overthrow the government. He said the Canadian government, unlike many of its allies, remains opposed to arming the Syrian opposition over fears that the weapons will fall into the hands of 'radical jihadists making their way into Syria and infesting part of the opposition. This causes great concern. It's no longer just a few hundred al-Qaeda affliliated people, it's a substantial number of radical extremists that have come from all over the world,' Mr Baird said..."

 

Syria Crisis: UN's Del Ponte Says Evidence Rebels Used Sarin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188

"Testimony from victims of the Syrian conflict suggests rebels have used the nerve agent sarin, according to a leading UN investigator. Carla del Ponte told Swiss TV there were 'strong concrete suspicions but not yet 'incontrovertible proof'. However, she said her panel had not yet seen evidence of government forces using chemical weapons..."

NDPP

'Israel Is Obama's Fall-Back Plan for Syria' (and vid)

http://rt.com/op-edge/escobar-israel-syria-us-857

"...a kind of mini shock and awe byh proxy using Israel..." - Pepe Escobar

 

America and Israel: Imperial Partners in Crime (2parts)

http://warisacrime.org/content/america-and-israel-imperial-partners-crime

http://warisacrime.org/content/america-and-israel-imperial-partners-crim...

"Israel wants Washington to destroy both the Syrian regime and its Hizbollah ally. Iran comes next."

 

Israel's Goal in Syria: Prolong War Maximize Destruction

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/05/301972/israel-using-syria-war-t...

"What does Israel hope to gain by its accelerating attacks on Syria?"

josh

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U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday. The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/05/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE9440...

North Star

Christian and moslems fight together with the FSA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzirNzVcV4

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He tells that this regime is not against Muslims only, but against all Syrians regardless of their religions and beliefs. He says, "God willing, we are coming for you Assad and we will liberate Aleppo, Damascus and all Syria. We will liberate the archaeological areas and the Islamic and Christian holy places."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14c_1358474809#v4TGW37JyJRtJ48M.99 

NDPP

Syrian Rebels Burn and Plunder Religious Sites - Human Rights Watch

http://rt.com/news/rebels-attack-religious-sites-580/

 

The Israel-Jihadist Alliance  -  by Justin Raimondo

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/05/05/the-israeli-jihadist-allia...

"Israel bombs Damascus - and the cat is out of the bag."

 

Israel Grants Oil Rights in Syria to Murdoch and Rothschild  -  by Craig Murray

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/02/israel-grants-oil-rights-...

"Israel has granted oil exploration rights inside Syria, in the occupied Golan Heights, to Genie Energy. Major shareholders of Genie Energy - which also has interests in shale gas in the US and shale oil in Israel - includes Rupert Murdoch and Lord Jacob Rothschild. Israel tried to make the same move twenty years ago but was forced to back down after a strong reaction from the Syrian governmnent..."

NDPP

'Rewriting Legal Language and Political Nudging - New US Strategy for Syria' (and vid)

http://rt.com/op-edge/us-arms-syria-rebels-750/

"What they're trying to do is re-write the legal language that defines chemical weapons. You can see already in the US the government's official position is that a pressure cooker constitutes a weapon of mass destruction. So that's one side - the legal side. And the other side is called 'political nuding'...

So they're nudging their way into Syria via different pathways. And of course they're trying to nudge Russia out of the way in the process..."

 

US Aims to Arm Syria Rebels as Kerry Seeks Political Support in Russia

http://rt.com/news/syria-rebels-weapons-bill-918/

"With the introduction of a bill to directly arm the Syrian rebels, US politicians are pushing hard for an intervention in the Syrian conflict. US Secretary of State John Kerry is in Moscow for talks; brokering peace in Syria is high on his agenda..."

NDPP

RT: Breaking The Set (and vid)

http://rt.com/shows/breaking-set-summary/economics-massacre-syria-war-924

"BTS wraps up the show with a look at the conflicting reports about chemical weapons being used and Syrian news of Israeli airstrikes in Damascus and the importance of taking corporate news on this issue with a grain of salt.."

contrarianna

North Star wrote:

Christian and moslems fight together with the FSA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzirNzVcV4

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He tells that this regime is not against Muslims only, but against all Syrians regardless of their religions and beliefs. He says, "God willing, we are coming for you Assad and we will liberate Aleppo, Damascus and all Syria. We will liberate the archaeological areas and the Islamic and Christian holy places."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14c_1358474809#v4TGW37JyJRtJ48M.99 

Thanks very much for your video of the masked, absurd, "Jesus Christ Brigade" with it's massive crosses and bristling weaponry--a Pythonesque must-watch video.

It would be as comical as you and your inanities-- were it not for the reality of religious persecution,  ethnic division, displacement, and terror which marks your vile bloodthirsty "humanitarian revolution" and this West-promoted slaughter.

The Assad dictatorship sustained a secularist ability to maintain religious co-existence among its diverse populations. Something that the islamicist FSA and the more successful  Al Nusra / al-Qa’ida fighters will hardly encourage if they are triumphant.

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Al-Qa’ida in Iraq declares takeover of leading Syrian rebel group
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Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of al-Qa’ida’s umbrella organisation in Iraqsaid: “It’s now time to declare in front of the people of the Levant and the world that al-Nusra Front is but an extension of the Islamic State of Iraq and part of it.” The United States has labelled al-Nusra a “terrorist” group.

Al-Nusra has been at the forefront of the fighting in and around Aleppo and appears to have been behind a series of car bombings in Damascus. Some 15 people were killed by a suicide bomber who blew himself up near the Central Bank in Damascus on Monday. Its use of suicide bombers, foreign volunteers and fundamentalist rhetoric, targeting non-Sunni Syrians as heretics or disbelievers, is similar to the tactics and ideology of al-Qa’ida in Iraq....



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/alqaida-in-iraq-declares-takeover-of-leading-syrian-rebel-group-29189183.html

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Assad’s Unlikely Allies: Who In The West Is Supporting The Maligned Syrian Dictator, And Why
By Maya Shwayder | April 20 2013 8:35 AM
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Among those minority communities are Syrian Christians, both in the U.S. and in Syria, who have expressed a fervent hope that their group, now numbering less than 35,000 in Syria, might continue to live in peace under Assad. Theirs is a fight for survival, not necessarily a political maneuver. “Under his government, Christians have been free to worship and live their lives,” said the Rev. Thomas Zain, an American-born Syrian Christian, who currently serves as archpriest and dean of the St. Nicholas Antiochian Orthodox Cathedral in Brooklyn, N.Y. “We’re afraid of what might come.”

Both Zain and the Most Rev. Cyril Aphrem Karim, the archbishop of the Syrian Orthodox Church for the Eastern U.S., pointed to what has happened to the Christian communities in Iraq, Egypt and Libya since those countries’ respective strongmen fell. The Iraqi Christian community has all but fled, while Coptic Christians in Egypt have been the target of violent attacks. “If this regime is toppled, our people will suffer tremendously,” said Karim....

http://www.ibtimes.com/assads-unlikely-allies-who-west-supporting-maligned-syrian-dictator-why-1205445

North Star

contrarianna wrote:

North Star wrote:

Christian and moslems fight together with the FSA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzirNzVcV4

Quote:

He tells that this regime is not against Muslims only, but against all Syrians regardless of their religions and beliefs. He says, "God willing, we are coming for you Assad and we will liberate Aleppo, Damascus and all Syria. We will liberate the archaeological areas and the Islamic and Christian holy places."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14c_1358474809#v4TGW37JyJRtJ48M.99 

Thanks very much for your video of the masked, absurd, "Jesus Christ Brigade" with it's massive crosses and bristling weaponry--a Pythonesque must-watch video.

It would be as comical as you and your inanities-- were it not for the reality of religious persecution,  ethnic division, displacement, and terror which marks your vile bloodthirsty "humanitarian revolution" and this West-promoted slaughter.

The Assad dictatorship sustained a secularist ability to maintain religious co-existence among its diverse populations. Something that the islamicist FSA and the more successful  Al Nusra / al-Qa’ida fighters will hardly encourage if they are triumphant.

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Al-Qa’ida in Iraq declares takeover of leading Syrian rebel group
....
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of al-Qa’ida’s umbrella organisation in Iraqsaid: “It’s now time to declare in front of the people of the Levant and the world that al-Nusra Front is but an extension of the Islamic State of Iraq and part of it.” The United States has labelled al-Nusra a “terrorist” group.

Al-Nusra has been at the forefront of the fighting in and around Aleppo and appears to have been behind a series of car bombings in Damascus. Some 15 people were killed by a suicide bomber who blew himself up near the Central Bank in Damascus on Monday. Its use of suicide bombers, foreign volunteers and fundamentalist rhetoric, targeting non-Sunni Syrians as heretics or disbelievers, is similar to the tactics and ideology of al-Qa’ida in Iraq....



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/alqaida-in-iraq-declares-takeover-of-leading-syrian-rebel-group-29189183.html

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Assad’s Unlikely Allies: Who In The West Is Supporting The Maligned Syrian Dictator, And Why
By Maya Shwayder | April 20 2013 8:35 AM
....
Among those minority communities are Syrian Christians, both in the U.S. and in Syria, who have expressed a fervent hope that their group, now numbering less than 35,000 in Syria, might continue to live in peace under Assad. Theirs is a fight for survival, not necessarily a political maneuver. “Under his government, Christians have been free to worship and live their lives,” said the Rev. Thomas Zain, an American-born Syrian Christian, who currently serves as archpriest and dean of the St. Nicholas Antiochian Orthodox Cathedral in Brooklyn, N.Y. “We’re afraid of what might come.”

Both Zain and the Most Rev. Cyril Aphrem Karim, the archbishop of the Syrian Orthodox Church for the Eastern U.S., pointed to what has happened to the Christian communities in Iraq, Egypt and Libya since those countries’ respective strongmen fell. The Iraqi Christian community has all but fled, while Coptic Christians in Egypt have been the target of violent attacks. “If this regime is toppled, our people will suffer tremendously,” said Karim....

http://www.ibtimes.com/assads-unlikely-allies-who-west-supporting-maligned-syrian-dictator-why-1205445

So you think Syrians are incapable of ruling themselves and they need a strong paternalist dictator to keep the peace? 

Wow, the left can be pretty embarassing these days.

And I find it hilarious that all of a sudden these "anti-imperialists" are now terrified of Al-Qaeda...

Fidel

Al CIA'duh has proven track record of using chemical weapons says CNN's National Security Analyst

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Del Ponte explained, "Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated."

Del Ponte added, "This was used on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities."

 

Al CIA'duh likely behind Syria bombings: US spy chief

No shit, Sherlock!

Syrian Rebs Pledge Allegiance to Al CIA'duh

[url=http://sachtimes.com/?a=content.id&id=7052]US, Israel and Saudi Arabia propping up al-Qaeda in Syria[/url]

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In an astounding admission, the New York Times confirms that the so-called "Syrian opposition" is entirely run by Al Qaeda and literally states:

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.

From the beginning, it was clear to geopolitical analysts that the conflict in Syria was not "pro-democracy" protesters rising up, but rather the fruition of a well-documented conspiracy between the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia to arm and direct sectarian extremists affiliated with Al Qaeda against the Syrian government.

This was documented as early as 2007 - a full 4 years before the 2011 "Arab Spring" would begin - by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh in his New Yorker article titled, ""The Redirection: Is the Administration’s new policy benefiting our enemies in the war on terrorism?" which stated specifically (emphasis added):

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has cooperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.  ... (read the rest of the nauseating truth about "Al Qa'eda"

“Al-CIA-duh” in Clash of Civilizations

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The US says al-Qaeda poses such an extraordinary threat that the Constitution must be suspended, the Bill of Rights set aside, and the President given emergency powers to kill or kidnap anyone on earth without due process of law. This is a very odd claim, since there is no evidence that al-Qaeda poses any real danger to Americans. Even if 9/11 were an actual al-Qaeda attack, and the 19 utterly incompetent pseudo-Muslim playboys blamed for it somehow beat billion-to-one odds and actually pulled it off, terrorism of all kinds would still not pose any statistically significant threat to Americans, who would be more likely to die from lightning strikes and bathtub drownings.

NDPP

Israel's 'Act of War' Against Syria - Madness or Cold Calculation?  -  by F William Engdahl

http://rt.com/op-edge/israels-syria-madness-cold-calculation-943/

"Israel's bombing of Syria is a sign Tel Aviv and Washington are preparing international opinion, and gearing up for a full-scale Libya-style NATO-IDF air campaign to obliterate Syria. Is anyone for the rule of international law, notions of just and unjust wars, classical diplomacy and basic human rights for a change?"

 

Russia, US to Push for Global Syria Conference to Bring Conflicting Sides to Table

http://rt.com/news/kerry-lavrov-putin-syria-958/

"Russia and the US reiterated their commitment to bring the sides of the Syria conflict to the negotiating table, and have announced an international conference to be called by the end of May.."

contrarianna

North Star wrote:

So you think Syrians are incapable of ruling themselves and they need a strong paternalist dictator to keep the peace? 

Wow, the left can be pretty embarassing these days.

I don't know which Syrians  will have an opportunity to, "rule themselves",  but "peace"  now has very little meaning in in that carnal house of 70000+ dead and millions displaced.  The fact that many Syrians support Assad staying in power is the only reason he is still around (for the moment) so don't talk stupid about "the Syrians" as if they were of one voice like your precious "Jesus Christ Brigade".

North Star wrote:

And I find it hilarious that all of a sudden these "anti-imperialists" are now terrified of Al-Qaeda...

And I find it revealing that you think "anti-imperialists" would  naturally be  in favour of al Qaeda and foreign jihadists--especially since you are the one defending them.

 

josh

North Star wrote:

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So you think Syrians are incapable of ruling themselves and they need a strong paternalist dictator to keep the peace? 

Wow, the left can be pretty embarassing these days.

And I find it hilarious that all of a sudden these "anti-imperialists" are now terrified of Al-Qaeda...

And I find it hillarious that those so worried about Al-Qaeda are not.  

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NDPP wrote:

Israel's 'Act of War' Against Syria - Madness or Cold Calculation? 

"Alex, I'll take cold calculation for 500..."

{queue Jeopardy music}

NDPP

CrossTalk: Israel Vs Syria (and vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-b9BYAoQPI

"With the Israeli bombing of Syria, will the Syrian civil war spread throughout the region? What is Israel's political calculation here? Is Obama's red line regarding chemical weapons just a hoax? And what will happen in Syria if there is a regime change? CrossTalking with Pepe Escobar, Christopher Chiwis and Geoffrey Ingersoll."

 

Syrian Rebels Abduct 4 UN Peackeepers Near Golan Heights

http://rt.com/news/un-peacekeepers-syria-rebels-956/

"Syrian rebels have abducted four UN peacekeepers monitoring a ceasefire line between Syria and the Israel-occupied  Golan Heights, a UN peacekeeping spokesman has said..."

NDPP

Baird Cool to Military Solution as MPs Debate Role in Syria

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/05/07/pol-john-baird-canada-m...

"MPs held an emergency debate in the House of Commons on Canada's role in Syria amid renewed concerns about chemical weapons and Israel's involvement in the civil war that has created a growing refugee crisis as people flee the conflict..."

North Star

contrarianna wrote:

North Star wrote:

So you think Syrians are incapable of ruling themselves and they need a strong paternalist dictator to keep the peace? 

Wow, the left can be pretty embarassing these days.

I don't know which Syrians  will have an opportunity to, "rule themselves",  but "peace"  now has very little meaning in in that carnal house of 70000+ dead and millions displaced.  The fact that many Syrians support Assad staying in power is the only reason he is still around (for the moment) so don't talk stupid about "the Syrians" as if they were of one voice like your precious "Jesus Christ Brigade".

North Star wrote:

And I find it hilarious that all of a sudden these "anti-imperialists" are now terrified of Al-Qaeda...

And I find it revealing that you think "anti-imperialists" would  naturally be  in favour of al Qaeda and foreign jihadists--especially since you are the one defending them.

 

I'm defending the right of Syrians to resist a 40+ year old dictatorship. Are there Islamist forces involved? Absolutely, but it is far more complex than that. Secular and democratic Syrians have to do their part to make sure the revolution is completed. Go ahead and believe the New York Times when it says that only Jihadis are the Syrian rebels fighting Assad's government. Just like they said that Saddam had WMDs. 

contrarianna

North Star wrote:

I'm defending the right of Syrians to resist a 40+ year old dictatorship. Are there Islamist forces involved? Absolutely, but it is far more complex than that. Secular and democratic Syrians have to do their part to make sure the revolution is completed. Go ahead and believe the New York Times when it says that only Jihadis are the Syrian rebels fighting Assad's government. Just like they said that Saddam had WMDs. 

Defending freedom and self-determination is clearly what you are not doing.

Your arrogant demand that:
"Secular and democratic Syrians have to do their part to make sure the revolution is completed", has no correlatives in reality or the recent history of Western-sponsored regime changes in the middle-east--or their subsequent bloody sectarian chaos.

Your approving quote of the alleged "Jesus Christ Brigade" rallying cry that Assad hates all religion, mocks your lip service to secularism and your grasp on reality.

As for your laughably perverse suggestion that the New York Times in general is supporting Assad, somehow like Iraq and WMD--well, the real connection is rather more boringly predictable:

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History Repeats? 'NYT' Boosts, But McClatchy Questions, Claims of Syria's Use of Chemicals
Greg Mitchell on May 8, 2013 - 12:03 PM ET

Is history repeating itself?  As I noted earlier this week here, The New York Times, as it did in the run-up to the 2003 Iraq invasion, seems to be promoting (if a little less strenuously) some kind of dramatic U.S. intervention in Syria, based on WMDs.   Once again we’ve seen overheated front-page news stories, based on slim evidence, and columns by Thomas Friedman, Bill Keller and others.  And, again as in 2003, the newspaper’s editorials express caution....

http://www.thenation.com/blog/174234/history-repeats-nyt-boosts-mcclatch...
 

North Star

I said Secular and Democratic. One can be democratic and religious, wishing to avoid sectarian violence so there is no contradiction there. Secondly the NYT need not support Assad but I wouldn't be surprised if it's being fed questionable info  so that the US can slowly avoid getting sucked into the conflict. All the anti-imperialists were running around absolutely convinced it was just a matter of time before NATO had a no fly zone or even boots on the ground. Obama and the rest of the West are clearly now backpedaling.

It's quite clear that the US is now happy to see both sides kill each other and leave Israel to eliminate any weapons depot that make them nervous. Yes it's a mess. There are outside forces involved but that doesn't mean there's not a revolution going on inside of Syria. God forbid people actually do some serious analysis on the situation while the other half of the left cheers on a regime that has cut deals with Western imperialism before and carried out painful neoliberal reforms which caused suffering among the Syrian working classes:

http://darthnader.net/2013/04/13/what-is-a-proxy-war/

contrarianna

North Star wrote:

I said Secular and Democratic. One can be democratic and religious, wishing to avoid sectarian violence so there is no contradiction there....

True, one can be democratic and religious, and not  foreign-funded murderous theocrats,  but that fantasy ship has sailed:

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Free Syrian Army rebels defect to Islamist group Jabhat al-Nusra

The well-resourced organisation, which is linked to al-Qaida, is luring many anti-Assad fighters away, say brigade commanders

    Mona Mahmood and Ian Black   
    The Guardian, Wednesday 8 May 2013 20.14 BST   



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/08/free-syrian-army-rebels-defect-islamist-group

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