Western Media are bunch of clowns, fake news idea

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Western Media are bunch of clowns, fake news idea

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SeekingAPolitic...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/aircraft-carrier-north-kor...

The western media went crazy by the telling people about the vincent carrier was hanging around North Korea.  The premiere of China and Putin which are have sattelite pictures real time of the situation must been stunned by what was being reported.  They are asking what is going on.  The carrier was about attack North Korea and is on manuvers with Austrlians navy no where near the area.   Certain channels were playing this "confortation" 24 hrs a day. 

NorthReport

Here is some more of that fake Western news, eh!

Live results: Georgia special election

Ossoff wins nearly two-thirds of total early vote

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329361-live-results-georgia-special...

NorthReport

Here is more fake news. My goodness it's all over the place.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/clinton-ally-says-smoke-no-fire-no-r...

SeekingAPolitic...

NR seem to be very chipper considering that, I don't know, that USA government  was lieing to you and seems the all knowing truthful MSM was lapping it up without asking a question.

NorthReport

So you arrived here about 18 months ago, eh!

Are  you suggesting the Democrats are not leading in what has been a GOP stronghold in Georgia tonite? Must be more of your fake news.

SeekingAPolitic...

What are you talking about? NR

NorthReport

More of what you call fake news here, eh!

Live Election Results: Georgia’s Sixth Congressional District

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/georgia-house-special-election-...

NorthReport

Here's more fake news from NY Times. 

With 32% reporting, Democratic Ossoff leads in Georgia with 53.9% 

NorthReport

And by-the-way where do you think the media got their information from?

Trump's White House was the source for the fake news that was misleading the press about the military

PS Did you start writing up your fake news reports about 18 months ago?

SeekingAPolitic...

I don't spam your threads NR, i don't spread fake news.  What is your fascasanation with me, and I am not the news here.  If I am wrong I aplogize and move on.  Facts are facts.

NorthReport

The Trump Administration provided the fake news to the media

 

SeekingAPolitic...

Call me crazy but the i thought the media did more than just report the stuff coming out from the government.  Perhaps maybe the MSM would actually check there facts before they spread the news.  MSM is largely propganda outfit for the government if they dont bother to check the facts before they publish.

NorthReport

Demonizing the media was Trump's strategy to get himself elected Too bad you want to continue the process

18 months eh!

NorthReport

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SeekingAPolitic...

Let me get this straight NR, you want the media to accept whatever the government says and spread it with without confroming any of the facts independently.  Yes, I do have big problem with that.  That a is the not media that is propganda outfit. 

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Pogo

I don't know what NR is on about, this sure looks bad on the US media regardless who is the president. When countries become beligerent their media becomes very compliant and it is important to remind them when they are being played. Trump lied, but instead of pointing out the lie like they (OK CNN) usually do the media ran with it.

NorthReport

Read the thread title

Trump got elected with a massive fake news campaign and has labeled the media the opposition That is a very dangerous situation and can lead to dictatorships

Pogo

Well in this instance they do look like a bunch of clowns.  The Palmer Report to their credit did lead with a posting about the lie, but I go there mainly to find out something bad about Trump and I am never let down.

NorthReport
Pogo

Kind of late to the game.  I think Seeking's point was that make an exaggeration about the attendance at the innauguration and the media are exposing it instaneously.  They even went as far as claiming that all this lying will damage the Trump administration's credibility if something ever serious happened.  Then when during a semi-serious event (a lot of this is posturing on both sides) happens, the media accept claims that probably could have been fact checked in very short order. If you are worried about Trump become a dictator NR, then why doesn't this fact upset you?

NorthReport

Fake News is usually used by people with dictatorial ambitions as well as by their supporters 

I prefer to put the focus and the blame for this where it belongs as opposed to this nonsensical fake news thread.

Spicer On Carl Vinson Movement: 'It Happened. It Is Happening, Rather'

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/spicer-trump-mislead-carl-vinson

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The White House’s misleading statements about Trump’s ‘armada’ heading to North Korea

wapo

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Official: White House, Pentagon miscommunicated on aircraft carrier's location 

from CNN

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Aircraft Carrier Wasn’t Sailing to Deter North Korea, as U.S. Suggested

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/aircraft-carrier-north-kor...

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NorthReport

Sean Spicer's explanation on the Carl Vinson makes no sense

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/19/politics/carl-vinson-north-korea-donal...

Sean Spicer doubles down on misleading claims about USS Carl Vinson: “Armada” eventually heading to North Korea

A timeline of the Trump administration's statements shows confusion about location of U.S. aircraft carrier

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/19/sean-spicer-doubles-down-on-misleading-c...

NorthReport

So why would a fake news thread be started here to cover up a lie by Trump?

 

 

'Trump's lie over the Carl Vinson': South Korean anger over US carrier confusion

http://www.smh.com.au/world/trumps-lie-over-the-carl-vinson-us-defence-h...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

It seems that some people are delusional enough to believe that before Trump and the Russians there was no fake news.  North Report you pump out link after link to US propaganda mills that have over and over again proven themselves to be unreliable.  

It seems you couldn't tell a real news station if it bit you in the ass.

Pogo

I just don't know how highlighting a lie which was the purpose of the thread (and particularly the way the US press was slow to the truth) can be construed as covering up the lie?  That to me is a bit of alternative logic.

NorthReport

Sure let's blame the Western media for White House lies. Fill your boots.

6079_Smith_W

And just because one lies in one piece doesn't let the other side off the hook. There are lies and truth from all media. The job is doing your homework to figure out which is which.

Cross posted NR. There are media which support the white house line, media which hold them to task, and media which promote a whole different set of lies and analyses.

It is possible for traditional media to be critical of Donald Trump (just as there are plenty of Republicans who don't exactly like him) and still have an overall pro-American slant.

 

 

 

NorthReport

Absolutely Smith.

However in this case I just find it a bit rich to start a thread blaming the media for what was clearly Administration lies which created confusion, perhaps not for all, but for many.

NorthReport

Donald Trump's North Korea 'armada' gaffe was dangerous buffoonery

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/donald-trump-north...

Pogo

Okay but my takeaway from the story was. 1) Trump and the military lied.  2) That largely the US media and others reguritated the lie without fact checking whatsoever.  Yes they later were happy to point out the lie well after the fact, but that doesn't diminish their derelection of duty.  

Sure blaming the media for creating fake news was over  the top (what around here isn't?), but the media are not blameless.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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2) That largely the US media and others reguritated the lie without fact checking whatsoever.

I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that the U.S. government always tells the truth.  NOT, NOT, NOT!

But at the same time, do they usually say things like "we launched another Space Shuttle yesterday", when clearly, they didn't?

I think the media should be skeptical of claims like "we HAD to do this or millions would die", but it's a bit of a shame that now they also have to be skeptical of claims like "we deployed troops in the region".  Ordinarily, the lie would be about NOT deploying troops in the region, but now it's just some weird coin toss.

But I think the real take-away here is that POTUS Donald Trump looks like some flaky Uber driver who just has to detour ten miles out of the way "to pick up some dry-cleaning, and then we're good to go".

 

 

NorthReport

Pogo, you make me laugh, but I basically do agree.

Pogo

I hope the laughs are for more than my spelling, but there was a doozy there.  The truism that in war the first casualty is truth can I guess also be applied to chest thumping among nations.

Remember when the innauguration lies happened the press would say 'well its a little thing in itself, but the big issue is that when we get to the major crisis are people going to believe the WH?ggg'.  Then a bigger thing comes, the WH lies and the press run with it, I guess answering the question.

 

 

6079_Smith_W

Not that I don't think there are plenty of examples of the media parroting what the president says (there are).
I am inclined to cut them a bit of slack in this case, because it isn't as if the mid-ocean correspondent can hop in the press rowboat and go verify that there actually is an armada heading in the right direction. In this case they had to wait for the people with surveillance  China, and the U.S. Navy, to provide the information. And as the OP story points out, it wasn't just in U.S. media. Understandably, Asian media was also giving it coverage.

Plus it is one thing to report what the president has said and another to write a story which shares his perspective.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Too bad the MSM in the US can't afford to get a satilite feed and a staff person with the right tools to search for the fleet. That kind of investigation would be useful when reporting on all kinds of international incidents including air crashes and natural disasters. But its way cheaper to just regurgitate the government line instead of doing the investigative work.

This is minor incident not like babies in incubators and viagra fueled rapists and government chemical attacks on its own people. Those alt facts have caused suffering for hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who have been subjected to Western R2P kindness, killing them softly with our love.

NorthReport
Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Too bad the MSM in the US can't afford to get a satilite feed and a staff person with the right tools to search for the fleet.

Perhaps the problem is that they don't all pool their resources.  So really, it would come down to ONE news outlet hiring a dedicated boat tracker.

I really can't see why any of them would have, or should have, decided to prioritize such a thing.  Again, I'm not suggesting that the White House always tells the truth, but have there been lots and lots of similar cases of the White House saying "The USS Tom Clancy is on her way to Beirut" when in fact it's in dry dock, and this will surely become known?

I think it takes a special kind of POTUS to choose to tell a silly, factual lie that they must know will be plausibly exposed.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Too bad the MSM in the US can't afford to get a satilite feed and a staff person with the right tools to search for the fleet.

Perhaps the problem is that they don't all pool their resources.  So really, it would come down to ONE news outlet hiring a dedicated boat tracker.

I really can't see why any of them would have, or should have, decided to prioritize such a thing.  

I guess the problem we have Magoo is you either don't read well for content or you don't read the whole post before your mind starts racing to the take down.  In this case the news audience could have been shown the progress of the fleet in a few seconds with a zoom in and out providing good visuals and a little less time on talking heads pontificating.  Of course having someone looking for boats constantly makes no sense however having a satillite feed in this day and age would help in many areas of international coverage as the part of my post you didn't quote clearly states. Wouldn't it be nice if our reporters had as much satillite acquired info as the spy agencies of many countries? Maybe a global system accessible for journalists from participating outlets. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Of course having someone looking for boats constantly makes no sense however having a satillite feed in this day and age would help in many areas of international coverage as the part of my post you didn't quote clearly states.

How would that help if there were not someone looking for boats??

No matter how you slice and dice it, even a satellite surveillance system wouldn't help unless each news agency wants to assign someone to monitor it, OR unless each time any government says "the fleet is heading west", someone is assigned to check the satellite feed to verify that the fleet is, indeed, heading west.

I'll suggest again that the failure here wasn't that "the MSM" doesn't replicate foreign military surveillance, it's that none of them expected the POTUS to tell a bald-faced lie that he would inevitably be busted for. 

To borrow from my upthread example, if the White House claims to have launched a space shuttle that they didn't, is the problem that "the MSM" isn't monitoring space with a huge telescope, or is the problem that no previous administration ever claimed a space shuttle launch that never happened?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

You are right before Trump every thing a POTUS said could be relied on as the absolute truth.

It seems that instead of believing in the slogan Make America Great again many, after Trump's win, are spouting the absurdity that America was great before Trump.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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You are right before Trump every thing a POTUS said could be relied on as the absolute truth.

I've acknowledged twice already that I don't believe that, and that it's not what I'm saying.

NorthReport

Well said Smith

6079_Smith_W

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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You are right before Trump every thing a POTUS said could be relied on as the absolute truth.

I've acknowledged twice already that I don't believe that, and that it's not what I'm saying.

That Trump was a special case when it came to fact checking was a news story long before he became president:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/02/politics-media-gaffes-lies

https://apnews.com/b88b5b272b584642a5e09a9345a39e77

And a good editorial which points out somethign I hope we might all agree with, that the real point should be less playing gotcha, and more accurate reporting:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/07/fact-checking-far-...

 

Pogo

When I am anxious over a container arriving I will look it up on the commercial ships website.  Not saying that there is similiar warship website, but I am guessing the location of the major ships is well known and that a good Washington reporter would easily be able to confirm the location of a key ship.  Heck it was involved in a practice war with Australian ships so it wasn't really a ultra-secret where it was.  The WH said it is here and all those reporters who had said that they now had to question everything coming out of the White House accepted this without bothering to check.

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