What the "do nothing" Obama is up against
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Yes there are three branches of US Government. Their's is a constitutional democracy that is admired by all political stripes around the world for a long time. Karl Polanyi even proposed that there also be three layers of governance for economic decision making. Polanyi thought that the economy is so important to society that the administration of it should be better organized and with oversight committees and important decisions made with a lot more transparency and accountability. Polanyi was a market socialist who admired the structure of US government for its democratic features. The original colonists set out to create the first constiutional democracy not influenced by a European financier oligarchy. And it worked for a while.
I have been saying for the last thousand years that the United States has only one party-the property party. It's the party of big corporations, the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the other is Republican.
Not much different than in Canada.
I think Obama is morally flexible, while George Bush was morally bankrupted
Yes there are three branches of US Government. Their's is a constitutional democracy that is admired by all political stripes around the world for a long time. Karl Polanyi even proposed that there also be three layers of governance for economic decision making. Polanyi thought that the economy is so important to society that the administration of it should be better organized and with oversight committees and important decisions made with a lot more transparency and accountability. Polanyi was a market socialist who admired the structure of US government for its democratic features. The original colonists set out to create the first constiutional democracy not influenced by a European financier oligarchy. And it worked for a while.
Yeah, what we need is another Teddy San Juan Hill Roosevelt to clean out all those corporations and create some more parks.
But then, that was before we all came to depend on those corporations to bring home our retirement bacon and give us jobs, eh. All the worker COULD bring home then was "the bacon."
The rough rider? Yikes! How about another FDR even? Banksters! This is the feds. Come out with your hands up.
Why do people think that corperations create jobs? That's a capitalist fantasy world your talkng about there. Nobody creates jobs,
If anything, capitalist look for opertunities to exploit .. Exploit the working class by exploiting the earth.
Stop speaking capitalist talk. You're confusing yourself.
What a mindfuck this thread is.
Hint, we're all fucked or at least our kids are.
I have been saying for the last thousand years that the United States has only one party-the property party. It's the party of big corporations, the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the other is Republican.
Not much different than in Canada.
I like how John Mortimer had his Rumpole call them (well, the British equivalents) the "Liberal-Conservative Party."
John Mortimer was a cut above us all with his love of justice, women and Tuscany... and champagne was the drink of choice for that socialist, not the Chateau Thames Embankment that he forced Rumpole to drink.
From today's NYTimes:
"Rock the Vote, aimed at getting out the youth vote, is celebrating its 20th anniversary this year. The group acknowledges in promotional material that midterm turnout is historically lower, but it is nonetheless ramping up efforts and has set a goal to register at least 200,000 young voters this year (four times its 2006 registration).
In contrast, older voters do not need much prodding. Nancy LeaMond, AARP's executive vice president for social impact, said: "We have not concentrated specifically on convincing our members that it's important to vote. We don't have to. That's a core value."
History shows that a jump in turnout among young people would be unprecedented in an off-year election. Exit poll data shows that the electorate skews older, particularly in nonpresidential election years. In 2006, 63 percent of those who cast ballots were 45 or older, and in 2008, that same age group made up 53 percent of the electorate, according to exit poll data from the National Election Pool. This group made up about half of the adult population in those years.
"Habitual voters will show up for every election, and the sort of people that are habitual voters are what political scientists consider to be higher socioeconomic status - they are more educated and they also tend to be older," said Michael McDonald, a professor of government at George Mason University and an expert in voter statistics.
In the summer of 1994, Congressional approval was almost as low as it is now, and President Bill Clinton's approval rating was in the mid-40s, much like President Obama's today. While the nation's economy was weak, it was not as fragile as it is today. On Election Day 1994, when Democrats lost control of Congress, only 13 percent of those who voted were under the age of 30."
He's up against his own administration:
The best estimate for the output gap was some two trillion dollars over 2009 and 2010. Because of the multiplier effect, filling that gap didn't require two trillion dollars of government spending, but Romer's analysis, deeply informed by her work on the Depression, suggested that the package should probably be more than $1.2 trillion. The memo to Obama, however, detailed only two packages: a five-hundred-and-fifty-billion-dollar stimulus and an eight-hundred-and-ninety-billion-dollar stimulus. Summers did not include Romer's $1.2-trillion projection. The memo argued that the stimulus should not be used to fill the entire output gap; rather, it was "an insurance package against catastrophic failure." At the meeting, according to one participant, "there was no serious discussion to going above a trillion dollars.
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2010/08/dont-listen-to-girlymaths.html
Larry Summers, the man who's policies in the late 1990s, helped lead to the 2008 financial collapse, is still in charge. Along with his toady, Tim Geithner. I guess Obama is powerless to fire members of his own administration.
The failure to have a sufficiently large stimulus has led to the weak recovery. And the Obama administration continues to refuse to push for a large scale public works job program, hoping that there will be a "natural" reovery by 2012. Sacrificing Democrats in 2010 in the process.
so, as this thread is coming to a close, let's just make it unanimous:
- Obama campaigned as a centrist Democrat (cf Pennsylvania primary vs Hillary) and governs as one, despite the odd, self-serving illusions of the US and foreign Left
- his policies are broadly well intended -- avoiding a Depression, saving auto industry employment in union states (+55,000 jobs in most recent quarter), improving health care 4 decades after Congressional Democrats vetoed any less than perfect public plan, and withdrawing 100,000 troops from Iraq and esp. all troops from Iraqi cities
- he will lose seats mid-term to the fevered Republicans, and like Clinton, this may well galvanize him and his Dem base
- he will likely be in power through 2016 (statistically, sitting Presidents are re-elected), so no need to pout, Naomi Klein-like, for 6 more years.
Mods: now, do your magic !!
Strange. Krugman continues to insist that they have to spend more, Josh. But then he's skewered by the right if he does, eh?
Dave W:
-" he will likely be in power through 2016 (statistically, sitting Presidents are re-elected), so no need to pout, Naomi Klein-like, for 6 more years.
Tell that to Jimmy Carter. No, Dave, the right beats down hard on decency, and the left walks away in a sulk, the revolution again unrealized.
As for your appeal for a mod and closure...there will be one more salty riposte from the anti-Obama crowd before that happens.
What's Krugman have to do with it? He's been a big critic of Obama's tepid response to joblessness.
What's Krugman have to do with it? He's been a big critic of Obama's tepid response to joblessness.
Krugman is correct, but is not in Obama's situation of the tea-party rock and the hard place of liberal opinion. That is why he's not about to fire members of his own administration.
NYTimes Krugman today:
Addicted to Bush
By PAUL KRUGMANFor a couple of years, it was the love that dared not speak his name. In 2008, Republican candidates hardly ever mentioned the president still sitting in the White House. After the election, the G.O.P. did its best to shout down all talk about how we got into the mess we're in, insisting that we needed to look forward, not back. And many in the news media played along, acting as if it was somehow uncouth for Democrats even to mention the Bush era and its legacy.
The truth, however, is that the only problem Republicans ever had with George W. Bush was his low approval rating. They always loved his policies and his governing style - and they want them back. In recent weeks, G.O.P. leaders have come out for a complete return to the Bush agenda, including tax breaks for the rich and financial deregulation. They've even resurrected the plan to cut future Social Security benefits.
But they have a problem: how can they embrace President Bush's policies, given his record? After all, Mr. Bush's two signature initiatives were tax cuts and the invasion of Iraq; both, in the eyes of the public, were abject failures. Tax cuts never yielded the promised prosperity, but along with other policies - especially the unfunded war in Iraq - they converted a budget surplus into a persistent deficit. Meanwhile, the W.M.D. we invaded Iraq to eliminate turned out not to exist, and by 2008 a majority of the public believed not just that the invasion was a mistake but that the Bush administration deliberately misled the nation into war. What's a Republican to do?
You know the answer. There's now a concerted effort under way to rehabilitate Mr. Bush's image on at least three fronts: the economy, the deficit and the war.
Alright, let's talk about Obama. What did you think of his widely celebrated speech in Cairo and how has his record since matched up to it?
The speech was typical Obama - just speechifying with the most vacuous, insipid homilies. There's zero substance to anything he says -- it's all what I call bar mitzvah speeches, but of course not meant for a bar mitzvah. Some of the speech was just outrageous, and it went completely over people's heads. Right after the Gaza massacre, he lectured Palestinians on how they should not use violence. Well excuse me, I think you're lecturing the wrong side! And the fact that he's praising Mubarak. . . .
And his policy record so far? Is it different from his predecessors?
Look who he chose for the Supreme Court -- Elena Kagan is a complete nonentity. Her only impulse is ambition. We all have ambition, but ambition in the service of an idea, a cause, a principle. But hers is just ambition in the service of ambition. And that's him -- there's no cause, there's no principle, there's nothing, except for these empty, vapid homilies.
Blown out of the water. Again. But plenty will still say that the Pres. is a flea-hop closer to "freedom". And that's all that matters. lol.
"God Helps Those Who Help Themselves."
NYTimes, July 23 :
The Caucus Alexander a No on Kagan By BERNIE BECKERSenator Lamar Alexander, the Tennessee Republican, cited Solicitor General Elena Kagan's barring of military recruiters from the Harvard campus for his opposition to her nomination to the Supreme Court.
The Tea Party is complaining about government spending, but it was under GW Bush that the budget deficit rose to just under $1 Trillion. Obama is being blamed for being a typical "Democrat tax and spend" type, but it is allways the Republicans who spend the most money. It even happened under Reagan.
I guess when government does warmongering, then Big Govt. is okay, but spending on anything else is not. There is a huge appetite for war in America, but they fail to recognise their biggest enemies such as climate change and ocean pollution, acidification, etc..The world, and America, would be in much better shape to weather the future if they would quit with the military gig.
Sigh
Why doesn't this president realize commanding this emergency offers his best political redemption? Start the re-election campaign in the Gulf by obliterating GOP-BP boot lickers. Like FDR, make some entrenched powers hate you. Regain popularity as the sustainable jobs, alternative energy president and limit, don't enable, earth-killing energy usage and mining. Become a mensch.
Will Obama do any of this? Doubtful, for mediocrity is safe, though more of the same jeopardizes Democratic leadership of Congress. To all those Obama defenders, this president is not doing his best under bad conditions: he is doing badly under bad conditions, replicating failed presidencies since Reagan.
The Audacity of Ruin
Yes, this black president should"start the re-election campaign in the Gulf" states of MIssissippi, Alabama, Texas, Louisiana... those states whose white voters grew up respecting colour and where the polls show a tendency to continue in that vein. Of course the liberal can overlook such nasty, offensive statistics, make them go away at the tap of a keyboard.
You live in a state of denial, George. You're entire logical construct is that Obama can't do anything at all. Nothing. And, further, better, he's not at all responsible for what his administration chooses to do do or what it chooses not to do, despite having full authority and descretion. You're like a Monty Python character in possession of a newly purchased dead parrot. Sorry. But it is tiresome.
Tiresome is the constant comparison with FDR...despite the personal and historical differences. FDR had millions of unemployed workers in hand, wanting government solutions. Raher different today, Palin and her teapartyers. In the vernacular, get real. :)
So if Obama isn't up for the job, why did he run?
Want more women in American politics? Be careful what you wish for, you may get it!
This year, there are 239 female candidates running for Congress, rivalling 1992's "Year of the Woman". They are spitting mad, motivated by dark psychic energy, typically ultra-reactionary – but increasingly effective on the campaign trail. All of last month's big primary races were won by women – Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman (California), Nikki Haley (South Carolina), the Neanderthal cave woman Sharron Angle (Nevada) and a lone Democrat, Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas), who beat off a challenge from a liberal Democrat man.
Traditionally, women Republicans have played an important but backseat role in party politics. We haven't yet produced an American Margaret Thatcher … but it may happen sooner than you think.
So if Obama isn't up for the job, why did he run?
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The continuing saga of a nation where tax revolts were institutionalized:
From today's NYTimes:
"If no tax legislation is passed, all the major tax reductions passed under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003 will expire, with rates reverting overnight on Dec. 31. The top marginal income tax rate, for example, would go back to 39.6 percent from 35 percent now, with corresponding increases in rates for lower income brackets.
Given the partisan gridlock of recent months, there is a chance that the battle could go down to the last minute, or even - in the face of a stalemate - that the tax cuts could be allowed to expire completely, a development that Republicans are already heralding ominously as the largest tax increase in history and that lawmakers in both parties say could be the worst outcome.
From both political and policy perspectives, the tax issue is dizzyingly complex, and even some of Washington's most grizzled legislative operatives say they cannot predict the outcome.
Some liberals want Mr. Obama to keep his promise to raise taxes on the rich, and the White House's budget forecasts rely heavily on rolling the top income tax rates back to their pre-2001 levels. Some fiscal hawks warn that extending the tax cuts would add more than $2 trillion to the federal budget deficits at a time when the national debt is becoming an economic concern and a political issue. Political economists are fiercely divided.
So are Democrats. In recent days, fiscal conservatives like Senators Kent Conrad of North Dakota and Evan Bayh of Indiana expressed support for extending the tax cuts at all income levels, at least temporarily.
Senior administration officials said there was no interest in such a plan at the White House, which intends to have Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner lead an effort to make the case that continuing tax breaks for the rich will not help lift the economy, but eliminating them will help reduce the deficit."
In Thomas Friedman's column We're Gonna Be Sorry column in the NYTimes yesterday, following Congress's rejection of the proposed bill to fight climate change...one of the e-mails he has received in the past couple of days:
"The last word goes to the contrarian hedge fund manager Jeremy Grantham, who in his July letter to investors, noted: "Conspiracy theorists claim to believe that global warming is a carefully constructed hoax driven by scientists desperate for ... what? Being needled by nonscientific newspaper reports, by blogs and by right-wing politicians and think tanks? I have a much simpler but plausible 'conspiracy theory': the fossil energy companies, driven by the need to protect hundreds of billions of dollars of profits, encourage obfuscation of the inconvenient scientific results. I, for one, admire them for their P.R. skills, while wondering, as always: "Have they no grandchildren?"
Tiresome is the constant comparison with FDR...despite the personal and historical differences. FDR had millions of unemployed workers in hand, wanting government solutions. Raher different today, Palin and her teapartyers. In the vernacular, get real. :)
Do you read history? They plotted a coup against FDR. If Bush led a coup in the wake of 9/11, Obama consolidates it.
That the White House sat back while Vilsack capitulated to a mob is a disgraceful commentary on both its guts and competence. This wasn’t a failure of due diligence — there was no diligence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/opinion/25rich.html
The real plot to overthrow FDR's America
Finally, lets talk about who defended this horrible law before the Supreme Court. If it had been the corrupt Justice Department of George W. Bush, we would all be asking what else can you expect? How very much in character for them to do this. But George W. is no longer in charge. His relatively liberal opponents are. Yet it is apparent that when it comes to the "war on terror" President Obama and the Democratic Congress have decided to carry forward the dangerous legal prohibitions of Bush's Patriot Act. The Democrats most likely fear that if they do not do so, and there is another terrorist attack on the US, they are politically doomed. Thus, the administration has made no attempt to reeducate or reorient public opinion on the question of terrorism. In the absence of such a reorientation the security-minded majority continues to view any group designated a terrorist organization by the State Department as "radioactive," and President Obama is trapped into defending reactionary laws like the one that did in HLP. It is a circular scenario.
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion/42-42/2506-free-speech-takes-...
No doubt, this commentary is motivated simply by the base racism of Tea Baggerery.
I still think FDR unfortunately "saved" America from socialism. McCarthy only mopped up the last of the true socialists from the 1930s. Barbara Kingsolver centers her novel, The Lacuna, on this. Sample dialogue: ' "I could see that, if I were a Communist. Luckily for you, I am not...Look, I know you're not a Communist...What you are,' he said when I came back, 'is controversial'." Kingsolver told a CBC radio audience the other night about her search for the reasons for the closing of the American mind back then.
M'Lord Black shows us in his FDR biography how FDR accomplished the defeat of socialism through active government participation in the economy (and of course, a war) , and Galbraith was one of the folks who brought Keynes to the rescue (Richard Parker's bio on Galbraith shows him as a young "price czar" in the two years leading up to war.
Yes, there are Republican households where an edict has been in place - for a few generations since FDR - his name is never to be mentioned. And, of course, there was a plot. As someone said, history may not be a plot, but history is littered with plots. :)
But yes, FM, I'll have to read more history of that time and place.
And yes, Jingles, them Dems sure want to get re-elected this fall...no comment on the state of the American mind in that, of course.
And back to the loss of the climate bill in congress...Paul Krugman in his NYTimes column today:
"By itself, however, greed wouldn't have triumphed. It needed the aid of cowardice - above all, the cowardice of politicians who know how big a threat global warming poses, who supported action in the past, but who deserted their posts at the crucial moment.
There are a number of such climate cowards, but let me single out one in particular: Senator John McCain.
There was a time when Mr. McCain was considered a friend of the environment. Back in 2003 he burnished his maverick image by co-sponsoring legislation that would have created a cap-and-trade system for greenhouse gas emissions. He reaffirmed support for such a system during his presidential campaign, and things might look very different now if he had continued to back climate action once his opponent was in the White House. But he didn't - and it's hard to see his switch as anything other than the act of a man willing to sacrifice his principles, and humanity's future, for the sake of a few years added to his political career.
Alas, Mr. McCain wasn't alone; and there will be no climate bill. Greed, aided by cowardice, has triumphed. And the whole world will pay the price."
Back to how FDR would have handled it.
The Democrats are still hoping that the wealthiest 2 or 3 per cent of Americans will have to pay higher taxes when Dubya's 8-year-old tax cut legislation runs out, but Republicans and some Dems say no to the idea:
"WASHINGTON - Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner pressed the case on Sunday for letting Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire later this year.
In appearances on two television programs, Mr. Geithner said that letting tax cuts expire for those who make $250,000 a year or more would affect 2 percent to 3 percent of all Americans. He dismissed concerns that the move could push a teetering economy back into recession and argued that it would demonstrate America's commitment to addressing its trillion-dollar budget deficit.
On "This Week" on ABC, he said, "We think that's the responsible thing to do because we need to make sure we can show the world" that America is "willing as a country now to start to make some progress bringing down our long-term deficits."
Mr. Geithner added, "I do not believe it will affect growth."
Most Republicans and some Democrats in Congress strongly disagree and have pledged to launch an all-out effort to extend the tax cuts for people of all incomes. The cuts were passed under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. Supporters of extending the cuts for everyone argue that raising taxes on any group, particularly one considered crucial for creating jobs, could endanger a precarious economic recovery.
Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, spoke about the administration's plans in an appearance on "Fox News Sunday."
"The safest thing for America would be to have a provision passed this fall that said no tax increase of any kind for 2011," said Mr. Gingrich, who is considering a run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. "I mean the fact is, everywhere I go - and I've been in 10 states in the last 14 days - businesspeople say to me over and over again, 'I will create no new jobs in this environment because the uncertainty is too frightening.' "
US Claims Right To Assassinate Americans Overseas.
That's the Obama regime. Uh huh. This was LAST February, btw.
State terrorism. Against their own citizenry.
In the land of the free, where the pres. is making himself the friend of the high income crowd (by letting their tax rate rise to the pre-Bush figure) that also happens to pull the levers on the major corporations, here's the developing situation, from today's NYTimes:
"Let the Spending Begin
The starter's gun went off last week in the squalid new race for unlimited campaign cash. The Federal Election Commission approved the creation of two "independent" campaign committees, one each from the left and right, expressly designed to take advantage of the new world of no rules.
One committee is being set up by the Club for Growth, the conservative advocate for low taxes and less government. The other will be run by a new group with close ties to the Democrats called Commonsense Ten, which says it will raise money from individuals, corporations and unions. Because both are obviously completely independent and would never dream of coordinating their efforts with those of any political party,(my appreciative
) they will be able to spend unlimited amounts, thanks to the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision earlier this year.
Both committees, and others like them, will also be able to collect unlimited checks from their donors. A little-noticed decision in March by the federal appeals court for the District of Columbia said there is no longer any basis for limiting contributions to independent committees, known as 527's. The old contribution limit of $69,900 every two years apparently abridged the free speech rights of well-heeled donors."
I'd say as a successful part of the DNC, Obama's integrity was besmirched from the moment I saw the swag bags @ the Denver DNC...
gee, anybody still wondering why AT&T hasn't been charged with *global* warrantless wiretapping? its no wonder he got an applauding standing ovation when he visited the intelligence services communities... they got their pass & then a hell of a lot more since then...
you don't actually think it means CANADIAN personal & business electronic communications aren't being surveilled, do you?
get serious, that "ain't just a US issue", kiddies...
as anybody watching the Liberal "Lesser Evil" Ignatieff turn a blind eye in Canada & abroad & the OilBerta Harper Globalization SellOuts can testify:
those 2-party systems that divide the entire nation from dogcatcher on upwards is a recipe for treating the entire World like its a clearly defined 'Us/Them' sports match... & everybody knows, the first thing a coach teaches a team is 'lie for the Team to the Referree, or you're not a Team Player'. Anything for a win, "we" are never in the wrong
From the NYTimes:
WASHINGTON - The Senate on Tuesday refused to take up a bill that would require more disclosure of the role of corporations, unions and other special interests in bankrolling political advertisements, after Democrats failed to persuade even one Republican to support it.
The bill was drafted in response to a Supreme Court decision in January allowing unlimited campaign spending by corporations and interest groups.
President Obama and Democratic leaders have been seeking to use the Republicans' opposition to the bill to portray them as beholden to corporate interests. Republicans, in turn, say the Democrats drafted the legislation in an effort to gain an advantage in this year's midterm elections.
But the bottom line was that the court's decision now stands, helping define the November election and, perhaps, campaigns in years ahead. Democrats pledged to try again in September, but the bill's chances seemed dim.
The official tally was 57 in favor to 41 against, with Democrats falling short of the 60 votes needed to defeat a Republican filibuster. But the Democrats were actually just one vote shy.
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, a Connecticut independent who caucuses with the Democrats and expressed support for taking up the bill, was absent to attend a funeral.
Obama now afraid of FBI Lobby
But what officials portray as a technical clarification designed to remedy a legal ambiguity strikes industry lawyers and privacy advocates as an expansion of the power the government wields through so-called national security letters. These missives, which can be issued by an FBI field office on its own authority, require the recipient to provide the requested information and to keep the request secret. They are the mechanism the government would use to obtain the electronic records.
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Paul Krugman, NYTimes, July 29:
"What explains Mr. Obama's consistent snubbing of those who made him what he is? Does he fear that his enemies would use any support for progressive people or ideas as an excuse to denounce him as a left-wing extremist? Well, as you may have noticed, they don't need such excuses: He's been portrayed as a socialist because he enacted Mitt Romney's health-care plan, as a virulent foe of business because he's been known to mention that corporations sometimes behave badly.
The point is that Mr. Obama's attempts to avoid confrontation have been counterproductive. His opponents remain filled with a passionate intensity, while his supporters, having received no respect, lack all conviction."
Getting bombed on Obama
The United States is currently the world biggest weapons supplier — holding 30 per cent of the market — but the Obama administration has begun modifying export control regulations in hopes of enlarging the U.S. market share, according to U.S. officials.
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/29/98337/obama-seeks-to-expand-arms-exports.html#ixzz0vPr27yXE
Once again I leave it to Arthur Silber to demolish that crap:
Because the Republicans are still more evil -- and they're crazy!
Standing O
Paul Krugman in NYTimes today:
"The point is that a large part of Congress - large enough to block any action on jobs - cares a lot about taxes on the richest 1 percent of the population, but very little about the plight of Americans who can't find work.
Well, if Congress won't act, what about the Federal Reserve? The Fed, after all, is supposed to pursue two goals: full employment and price stability, usually defined in practice as an inflation rate of about 2 percent. Since unemployment is very high and inflation well below target, you might expect the Fed to be taking aggressive action to boost the economy. But it isn't.
It's true that the Fed has already pushed one pedal to the metal: short-term interest rates, its usual policy tool, are near zero. Still, Ben Bernanke, the Fed chairman, has assured us that he has other options, like holding more mortgage-backed securities and promising to keep short-term rates low. And a large body of research suggests that the Fed could boost the economy by committing to an inflation target higher than 2 percent.
But the Fed hasn't done any of these things. Instead, some officials are defining success down.
For example, last week Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, argued that the Fed bears no responsibility for the economy's weakness, which he attributed to business uncertainty about future regulations - a view that's popular in conservative circles, but completely at odds with all the actual evidence. In effect, he responded to the Fed's failure to achieve one of its two main goals by taking down the goalpost.
He then moved the other goalpost, defining the Fed's aim not as roughly 2 percent inflation, but rather as that of "keeping inflation extremely low and stable."
In short, it's all good. And I predict - having seen this movie before, in Japan - that if and when prices start falling, when below-target inflation becomes deflation, some Fed officials will explain that that's O.K., too.
What lies down this path? Here's what I consider all too likely: Two years from now unemployment will still be extremely high, quite possibly higher than it is now. But instead of taking responsibility for fixing the situation, politicians and Fed officials alike will declare that high unemployment is structural, beyond their control. And as I said, over time these excuses may turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy, as the long-term unemployed lose their skills and their connections with the work force, and become unemployable.
I'd like to imagine that public outrage will prevent this outcome. But while Americans are indeed angry, their anger is unfocused. And so I worry that our governing elite, which just isn't all that into the unemployed, will allow the jobs slump to go on and on and on."
That's the Times' Nobel prize-winning economist stating his concern for workers' future and laying the blame on Congress.
And he didn't once have difficulty in expressing himself and having to resort to the vernacular of the monosyllabic set.
I see. Krugman's a "serious" critic. One that doesn't offend delicate, sophisticated liberal sensibilities by mentioning things like, oh war crimes, torture, unbridled corruption, etc, and doesn't use those awful, dirty cusswords like some low-bred trailer trash. We expect that sort of filth from the tea baggers, but not from respectable, serious critics. Krugman can be respected because he's not one of the lower classes. He has a Noble Prize (like the Peace Laureate Obama, currently ordering death squads to roam the world), so therefore is RIGHT! He's in the NY Times! QED!
Now, how about responding to Silber's criticism instead of attacking the language he uses? I wonder how you can read Bageant without getting the vapours. And try not to be so goddamned elitist.
I'd have respect for Krugman if he actually said anything meaningful. His job as an establishment critic, however, is to frame the "debate" within acceptable limits. His job is to legitimize the criminals that run the place without mentioning that they are criminals or that those institutions he holds in such high regard are illegitimate. He can prattle on and on about "recovery", or "stimulus", and "inflation" as if these concepts are as immutable as the laws of physics, but he must not mention that the entire system is a complete sham, and that Obama's Goldman-Sachs administration is entirely complicit in the fraud and theft.
Bad bunch for sure.
NYTimes today:
August 2, 2010
"A Respect for World OpinionNativism in American politics has become so rampant that it is considered scandalous in Republican circles for a judge to acknowledge paying any attention to foreign courts and their legal rulings. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, one of the few prominent jurists to speak out against this trend in recent years, gave an on-the-money speech last week pointing out the xenophobia on recent display in the confirmation hearings of Elena Kagan.
At one point, Senator Charles Grassley, a Republican of Iowa, noted with scorn that Harvard Law School, where Ms. Kagan had been dean, required first-year students to study international law. Senator Tom Coburn, a Republican of Oklahoma, asked why Ms. Kagan thought it was acceptable to use foreign law to interpret the Constitution, which she retorted was almost never the case. Senator Jon Kyl, a Republican of Arizona, summed it up: "I'm troubled by it," not because foreign law would create a United States precedent, but "because it suggests that you could turn to foreign law to get good ideas."
In her remarks on Friday, delivered to the International Academy of Comparative Law at American University in Washington, Justice Ginsburg said that kind of thinking is completely at odds with the views of the nation's founders, who were extremely interested in the opinions and laws of other countries. The authors of the Federalist Papers, she noted, cited the "high importance" of observing the "laws of nations." And, of course, the Declaration of Independence itself was an appeal to the "opinions of mankind" in a "candid world." "
Democratic Surge In Polls Is Just Noise
Do those polls tell you something, NR? I have some ideas from them in relation to recent events in the U.S....but you first. :)
GV,
Those polls tell me that books like this are a "must" read for Americans. Time is running out for them, and the more of the same BS from Obama just ain't gonna cut it.
The Anti-American Manifesto
by Ted Rall
a new manifesto for an America heading toward economic and political collapse. While others mourn the damage to the postmodern American capitalist system created by the recent global economic collapse, Rall sees an opportunity. As millions of people lose their jobs and their homes, they and millions more are opening their minds to the possibility of creating a radically different form of government and economic infrastructure.
But there are dangers. As in Russia in 1991, criminals and right-wing extremists are best prepared to fill the power vacuum from a collapsing United States. The best way to stop them, Rall argues, is not collapse-but revolution. Not by other people, but by us. Not in the future, but now.
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-American-Manifesto-Seven-Stories-Press/dp/158...
Yes, those polls tell me a lot about the American voting public, in line with what every rational observer has to conclude...it's still a class-divided, dumbed down, racist state, and the folks on the right are not about to try to solve the unemployment that was the inevitable product of GOP policies since Reagan.
But "us" in "revolution" NR? Sort of the Gandhian protest sitdown? Surely not using firearms!
And who is us?
Amy Greene, grandaughter and daughter of Tennessee ministers tells NYTimes readers what it's like there today:
"Some of my first memories are of sitting in my grandfather's church, a little cinder-block building tucked in a thicket, listening to his voice ringing in the rafters. After my grandfather died, my dad took over as pastor. I never heard either of them mention politics from the pulpit, even though at home, in a family that has been divided between Democrats and Republicans going all the way back to the Civil War, there were some heated discussions. My dad always said that it was biblical to pray for our leaders, but not to campaign for them in a house of worship.
As an adult, I visited other churches in the valleys and hollows of my community. One in particular stands out in my mind, because it reminded me so much of my grandfather's church. It was nestled in a copse of shade trees beside a creek, its frosted windows shining. Going into the vestibule was like coming home. I knew the words to every hymn the congregation sang.
But this was in 2008, with the presidential election around the corner; when the preacher took the pulpit, he admonished his flock to remember their Christian values and vote Republican. I haven't gone back since, but I keep encountering the same kind of religious lobbying. Not surprisingly, the only enthusiasm I've seen for the primary is a lone Zach Wamp sign sunk into the weedy lawn of a church near the highway.
This is the opposite of what my grandfather and my dad and Appalachian preachers of their ilk tried to teach - a devotion that is as much a part of our mountain heritage as the land, that can't be reduced to campaign propaganda, that shouldn't be exploited for one vote or one issue. It's way too big for that. I just wish politicians and pastors would stop making it so small."
Amy Greene is the author of "Bloodroot," a novel.
I once attended a Sunday mass with my Papist girlfriend in 1980 and heard the priest rail against communism.
You should read Gregory Baum's Catholics and Canadian Socialism: Political Thought in the Thirties and Forties, al-Q. Or maybe you did and don't want to set your own experience in historical context. :)
Anyway, U.S. southerners are now Republicans on the side of God, apparently. And the colour of the pres's skin will likely come to be seen as a factor, y'all hear now.
Wellsir; back in our own United Church, a minister in the 70s once said, "God loves Liberals and Conservatives too."
And GV, I'm quite capable of setting whatever I want into an historical context, thanks.
Never heard politics from the pulpit in the RC church I attended as a child. Never heard one denunciation of the crimes being committed at the time by western states around the world for that matter. It was all about the potential wickedness of the congregation and the general public, about the need for unquestioning obedience to a system of control that had likewise spread its genocidal destruction around the world.
You should read Gregory Baum's Catholics and Canadian Socialism: Political Thought in the Thirties and Forties, al-Q. Or maybe you did and don't want to set your own experience in historical context. :)
Anyway, U.S. southerners are now Republicans on the side of God, apparently. And the colour of the pres's skin will likely come to be seen as a factor, y'all hear now.
"Wellsir; back in our own United Church, a minister in the 70s once said, "God loves Liberals and Conservatives too."
And GV, I'm quite capable of setting whatever I want into an historical context, thanks."
You'll notice I tried the :) al Q. If you want to drop flippant little vignettes from your past into a thread about what is actually happening in the U.S.churches today - events with predictably serious consequences for us all - expect a reply in kind.
Or perhaps you have some knowledge from the Baptist belt that can refute the growing racism in the Grand Old Party, and the Christian role? Or perhaps you don't much care?
Or perhaps the phenomenon of clerics making political pronouncements during church services isn't terribly unusual.
Amy Greene wrote:
"I never heard either of them mention politics from the pulpit, even though at home, in a family that has been divided between Democrats and Republicans going all the way back to the Civil War, there were some heated discussions. My dad always said that it was biblical to pray for our leaders, but not to campaign for them in a house of worship."
You probably have another explanation for the difference that Ms Greene has detected since 2008 on the cusp of the election. Perhaps she's just another lyin' liberal Democrat, makin' up stuff. But with the evangelicals panting for another shot at Wade vs Roe (on top of the question of the pres's colour) I would not bet the farm on her story being far from the truth.
Despite President Obama's pledge to retain more hi-tech jobs in the U.S., a federal agency run by a hand-picked Obama appointee has launched a $36 million program to train workers, including 3,000 specialists in IT and related functions, in South Asia.
UPDATE: InformationWeek has learned that USAID just launched a similar campaign in Armenia.
Following their training, the tech workers will be placed with outsourcing vendors in the region that provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent's low labor costs.
Surely this is a direct result of fear of Palin and her Nascar Following.
What, in particular, prompts you to make such an accusation??
Obama touts miners’ union, praises ‘clean coal’
Yes, he's clearly not ready to go down in the Jesus' posture as Republicans become the friends of labour, eh FM? Fancy that!
(As church folks are whisperin', he's really the devil in disguise.)
A Democrat describes the political environment in Washington...sounding much like the Copnservative obstruction in Canada's Parliament:
"Instead of engaging in a real debate about how to address the challenges we face, Republicans have turned to obstruction, no matter the issue, and then cry foul after the fact. They claim to want an open legislative process with more consultation and debate, but the truth is they simply don't want to pass anything.
Meanwhile, conservative television and talk radio programs are full of false anger, intended to scare Americans. I think some genuine frustration at this misleading tactic is overdue.
That's why I got mad last week. That's also why I'm going to fight for this bill when we come back in session in September. I'm still angry. Playing politics on important issues is never right. But on health care for 9/11 responders, it's an outrage."
Anthony Weiner is a member of the House of Representatives from Queens and Brooklyn.
And like the president, he can't call those media out for the business-controlled, populist, devious purveyors of lies that they are. The gormless MSM, of course, must remain beyond reproach for anyone seriously attempting to gain elected office, there in the land of the free, or here.
So how did the media and Palin force Obama to train foreign workers, at taxpayer expense, to oursource American jobs, George? I really don't get that one so I need an apologist for his every failing to explain it to me. Thanks. Does he pet you?
"So how did the media and Palin...?" "Does he pet you?" You "really don't get that one?" What happened to your world view, FM? It would now look at home in a redneck's rectum. Taking your conversational style from Limbaugh? :)
You know George, these excuses about Obama and the Democrats are getting tiresome. If these exact same policies were happening under a Bush Presidency, everybody would be up in arms about it, but under Obama we're supposed to give him a pass because...? As for what the people wanted, Bush was so hated that when Obama got in, he could have said almost anything he wanted and people would have gone for it. He could have easily passed it with solid majorities in both Houses of Congress. Yes the right-wing would have shrieked and hollered, but don't they do that anyways? Might as well give them something to shriek and holler about. With a list of strong, progressive, accomplishments that would have given progressive voters strong motivation to re-elect this administration in the coming mid-terms. But no.
At this point, I actually think Obama is worse than Bush. Bush was so hated and distrusted that people would have run in fear if he said the sky was blue. Nobody was taking him seriously. But now Obama (supposedly) represents change, so because everybody loves him what he says is good, even if he's only repackaging the worst policies of the Bush administration.
All you had to do to see that Obama was not progressive was to pay attention. There is a reason Cindy Sheehan gave up on the Democrats and why she chose the symbolism of challenging Democratic Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi.
You have strange ideas about the power of the presidency and the role of the media...and the prevailing opinions out there among the electorate. I'm close to finishing up Barbara Kingsolver's The Lacuna, a look at 1930s and 40s Mexico and America. Your take on the place of Obama: "so because everybody loves him what he says is good," is a quaint take on a president who is being blamed by the opposition for exactly what he does not represent. The GOP is readying Jeb Bush for 2012. What do you do with an electorate so goddam gullible, whether it's the 1940s or the next millenium? Do you not read about the situation in Congress? The man is trying to enact the most progressive legislation that he can in the face of racial hatred and economic despair at the situation created by a series of Conservative administrations with a completely privatized future in mind.
It's "tiresome" for you? Then take up a book of U.S.history that actually explains how we got to this bizarre and frightening situation. Try to imagine undoing generations of propaganda in the advancement of capitalism by an individual up against that structure. And hope like hell that he can accomplish just a little bit. The masses of America didn't elect a socialist, they will not elect a socialist. That idea went out with Eugene Debs. But the madness there now has to be countered with something.
All I'm doing in this thread is presenting accounts of what is actually happening. If you can't see that the enemy of your enemy Obama is far, far worse, a far scarier prospect, then you are a puzzle indeed. (By the way, Joe Bageant's new one, Rainbow Pie: A Redneck Memoir is coming out in October. An early review says Bageant describes in memoir what Harper Lee had to present in a fictional account of life. Or maybe you haven't read Deer Hunting either).
Blah, blah, blah ... excuses, excuses. Yes, Obama is a weak man and a weak president. We got it George.
Paul Street looks first at the bankster bailouts, the auto bailout, the corporatist schools policies (which, through a veto threat, may have played a role in the Senate's decision on Thursday night to reject a war spending bill that recklessly included funding for teachers of non-murderous skills). Street looks at the approach of the Obama administration to the environment, including mountaintop removal, offshore drilling, nuclear power, crap and trade, and a performance in Copenhagen that might be characterized as sabotaging a planetary rescue attempt. Street acknowledges improvements over Bush-Cheney, but moves on to areas where Obama is worsening their misdeeds.
Chapter Two focuses on war and recounts how Obama's support in the Democratic presidential primaries grew predominantly out of his imaginary opposition to war, especially the Iraq War, to which he's now sending more mercenaries. The Iraqi people had been promised a public vote on the Bush-Maliki deal permitting occupation until the end of 2011. Obama successfully pressured the Iraqi government to deny its people that vote, knowing they would vote the treaty down. Street also discusses Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Israel, and South America (where US ships recently headed). The one thing all these places have in common: Obama's been bad for them.
Chapter Three examines in a way that has been badly needed the tragicomic saga of corporate health insurance reform. Chapter Four looks at race. And Chapter Five delves into more areas in which Obama has adopted and expanded upon Bush's policies (or, in many cases, what we used to call "crimes"). Street reviews the PATRIOT Act, habeas corpus, spying, torture, and the incredible lengths to which Obama has gone in his crusade to fully protect Bush, Cheney, and their co-conspirators, an effort that has included making threats to England should it be so uncouth as to reveal any evidence of wrongdoing.
http://www.truth-out.org/an-honest-look-obamas-first-year61629
A controversial decision by Barack Obama to privatize the exploration of space
Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/privatization+space+exploration+could+giant+step+Canada/3373593/story.html#ixzz0w4JtDuWs
Konrad Yakabuski writes in the Aug. 7 Globe and Mail, Obama "is aking Congress to return income-tax rates to their pre-2001 levels for households earning at least $250,000 while extending the Bush tax cuts for those making less than that. He will need the support of every Democrat in the Senate, almost all of them in the House of Representatives, and at least a few Republicans to do so.
"Right now, however, official Washington is engaged in a game of chicken. Republicans insist they will never vote to raise taxes, conservative Democrats are distancing themselves from the Obama plan and the White House warns everyone of the political fallout if Congress fails to act." an automatic tax hike for all on Jan. 1.
And of course, if the Republicans are more successful in the Nov. 2 midterm elections, it's back to Bushenomics and greater debt. Which puts the Conservatives another step closer to their goal of privatizing the planet.
We can be sure Steve is taking notes.
The notion of Obama as a good guy who is hampered by the situation around him is ridiculous. He's a conservative Democrat, through and through, who somehow has managed to build up such an appeal that many "progressives" support him regardless of his actual positions. When he was elected, Democrats had large majorities in both houses of Congress, yet he can't manage to get something as mundane as getting rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell done? Give me a break - this is just more of "progressives" being forced to eat shit by party leaderships so long that they gleefully reach for the spoon at the slightest opportunity.
A Globe editorial today, "GOP forgets its history" : "One of the great and defining characteristics of the American Dream - the birthright of citizenship - has come under threat amid the furor over illegal immigration. Republican politicians leding this charge should rush up ontheir own party's history. That United States citizenship should be granted to anyone born within its boundaries wasestablished in the aftermath of the Civil War. The 14th Amendment, along with other Reconstruction amendments ending slavery and enshrinement of the right to vote, were meant to ensure states could not deny freed slaves the privileges of citizenship."
Many GOP sentators, including Arizona's John McCain, are now set to challenge the 14th Amendment, with amendment in mind.
Obama is a black guy, "hampered" by U.S.history, among other things, like vast ignorance mixed with racism and great disparities in living standards and opportunities, and the detritus of finance capital's greed and near collapse, none of which was of his making. And of course there are even some naive people who elected him who don't understand why he doesn't call out the troops against the GOP. But they don't understand much about political democracy period.
Anyone reading something like Barbara Kingsolver's The Lacuna(this author wanted to know why America was retreating up its ass in terror today) - or anyone who has read the unexpurgated history of immediate postwar America and McCarthyism - knows many Americans (and Canadians) were sent back to their countries of origin in the communist witch hunts of the periiod. You won't see the Globe using those examples for background to editorials, however. Best to forget all that.
For generations, the respective political class interests have all had a hand in creating and stirring the rancid gruel they refer to as a nation. The question here is not whether Obama is being held back from good deeds, or is part of the latest crooked shell game as is more likely than not. The sooner they all sit down to dine and choke on their own swill the better, and in the process, the only remaining hope is that ordinary people will come to realize once and for all that the centerpiece of this macabre feast is the worm infested corpse of an American dream that once projected its destiny above all others.
Yes, obviously it's all a "crooked shell game" played out with one of the recently emancipated in charge. Y'all never know what may bubble up in the heat of a Mississippi summer... in deed or thought.
The Globe's Michael Valpy reported on Margaret MacMillan's keynote address to the Couchiching Conference on the issues facing us, and the particular situation of the U.S The Oxford scholar and author of Paris 1919, presented the sobering dilemma for U.S. leadership (and for us):
"The focus on the financial crisis has left three other crises untended - the growing gap between rich and poor that is eroding social cohesion and leaving too many people without hope, as U.S. polls increasingly indicate; the huge environmental threat that is not going away and leading people to throw up their hands and say, "What can I do?" and the international political stage that shows the United States clearly in decline with no one certain about how power is shifting but concerns growing about how the narrative will unfold.
She referred to a recent article in the Beijing People's Daily that asked with a new and unfamiliar belligerence, "Is the U.S. ready for China's rise?" and predicted a collision if the United States "doesn't give way." She spoke of fears among international scholars that Washington either will try to use power in circumstances where it shouldn't or turn its back on the world and become isolationist."
A Canadian before Obama's kangaroo court in a concentration camp Obama promised to close.
Damn it FM you got me. I checked the G&M link to make sure of the headline.
In the spirit of recent babble threads, I would say "show trial" would be preferable to "kangaroo court," but either works fine.
We're good. Kangaroo is not in the thread title.
Once again I leave it to Arthur Silber to demolish that crap:
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What's with all the pounding on Krugman? The same arguments about expectations that apply to Obama also apply to him. He got the Swedish Bank Prize (the correct title). That's the imprimatur of the establishment. He is very much a FTA/NAFTA supporter. If anything, it's a surprise for him to line up with Digby, who is doing her damndest to get the Democrats to pay attention to their leftish supporters. He occaisionally points out things like lying about WMD, but mostly he writes about economics, well, he IS an economist. Why would you expect him to move outside of that field? If you want a rational attack on the security state, go read Glenn Greenwald.
For several years, Krugman has been the only consistent - week after week - critic of George W. Bush in the mainstream media of America. Krugman was given the prize by the Swedish committee BECAUSE of that (oh,and some earlier work on economic factors influencing trade. He applauded Canada in an earlier work for being the first to float the dollar.)
But you're right. This thread is about what Obama is up against, and in this world, your concern for "rational" is a heady notion.:)
Is this the right thread to commemorate the opening day of Omar Khadr's kangaroo trial - the very first trial ever in front of the military commission which the liar and coward Obama promised to abolish?
Some other early 21st Century concerns that Obama has not been able to overcome in his second year in office:
Gwyn Morgan, the retired founding CEO of EnCana Corp. (and now columnist with the Globe) explains in his Aug. 9 column just how limited U.S. (and Canadian) economic manipulatiion has become in the "new economic order." The weekly purchases of U.S.Treasury bills prevents "apocalyptic collapse of confidence" in the greenback.
"After centuries of European and Americandominance, a new world order is upon us. Stephen Green, chairman of Londeon-based global banking giant HSBC describes this as a global trade triangle with Asian 'workshop' countries forming one side, Western consuming nations a second, and international resource producers the third." (Lucky Canada, we can still have a positive trade balance by selling off resources.)
The U.S., already facing huge fiscal imbalances had to go further in debt to overcome the financiers' greed-driven collapse (Morgan does not say that, just calling it a "financial crisis" ...the right never points to itself). "The U.S. cannot spend its way to financial solvency and, having only one side of the global economic triangle (buyer of goods and energy) must continue to import a large portion of its resource needs. Debt-loaded, demographically shrinking European countries face immediate slashing of social programs and a loneo-term secular decline in living standards.
"The West has passed its zenith."
Of course Obama should have been able to empty "Gitmo" and send Khadr home to Canada for trial. Far as I can make out, he tried. But anyone bothering to read the daily news sees that he faces a nation of nutbars in trying to affect change. He faces a few more challenges that nobody here seems to have an answer for...that they in fact avoid like the plague, never try to answer. Morgan's single-minded call for more of the same demands a challenge.
But the preacher at the pulpit always has the moral upper hand, calling on mysterious forces to rectify the real, on-the-ground problems facing ALL the people, or simply ignoring them in favour of the singular case of injustice...but not offering a real political solution, even there. Nice work if one could get it.
Good grief, George. The good ship Obama has burned to the waterline. It's indistinguishable from many of the other rotting hulks on the water. You can still make it to the independent shores ... but you've got to let go of that rubber ducky and take a few strokes to freedom.
Of course Obama should have been able to empty "Gitmo" and send Khadr home to Canada for trial.
I never said that. I said he promised to scrap the military commissions, got elected, then broke his promise. That's what we call a "lie" in common parlance. Some unkind souls might call it fraud. Here's an explanation of what happened.
I certainly can't provide facts to counter Greenwald (whereverhe's coming from on the political spectrum), And I have not followed the debate back in spring of 2009. Maybe he is a "liar", although I will not concede "coward." Just getting on a platform exposed to the lunatic fringe down there refutes that one. And particularly given his skin colour.
This is not so much a defence of Obama, but of democratic figures who have been desperately trying to prevent that country from slipping over into open fascism. Dependent as it is on military production and deployment, that could easily happen without some of the liberal figures who have withstood the temptation to cave to a misbegotten public opinion, which itself is afraid to be branded "un-American". We all know that for a long time, Republican and Democrat have been hard to choose between in the parlour game of Capitalism. But with entry of the neo-con project to do away with public institutions, and the appearance of Bush junior and a populist grouping of marginalized anti-givmint white Americans, a winner-take-all Libertarian leadership, all played out with the new rules of Reich's Supercapitalism - where everyone watches the fortunes of the market - we're in a new game.
I had hoped that by putting forward the fantastic impediments to political resolution of so many issues that some folks might want to engage in a balanced review of events south of the 49th, but it seems the simplistic just hjas too much easly appeal : an attack on a leader who may, after Nov. 2, have even less power to affect change - or carry through on the hopeful platform that he unveiled two years ago. We knew he could not propose a command economy, but we (I) didn't realize the extent to which finance capital and the Republican media could force modification of so many programmes. Everyone's future depends on economic health, and if you can't bring that about, bugger off, is the prevailing thought.
But I invite you to actually suggest how he could have brought Congress - including so many on the right wing of his own party - to heel. I'll bet folks are just busting a gut to explain how he could break that dependency of the U.S. on China's cheap goods and its purchases of Treasury bills, explained by Morgan.
In the meantime, I'll keep posting "what Obama is up against."
Go ahead, George, defend this:
Although the ACLU applauds the administration's condemnation of the torture and rendition programs instituted under Bush, it says these positive steps are overwhelmed by what remains uncorrected and unaddressed. Using the CIA's destruction of 92 interrogation tapes as an example, the ACLU says that an investigation into the incident - which was approved by a CIA official and is purported to have erased torturous interrogations carried about by Americans - has dragged on for three years with no resolution in sight The length of time is a minor issue compared with what the ACLU says such foot dragging signifies: "Sanctioning impunity for government officials who authorized torture."
Fear of an unchecked, unaccountable government permeates the ACLU's report, particularly in the section about targeted killings. In this instance, it is not just that the Obama administration has continued a policy of targeting alleged terrorists, but that it has a new wrinkle: American citizens, such as Anwar al-Awlaki, are also being rounded up in the "O.K.-to-kill" list. The shortfalls of this approach are many, and the ACLU says that the inaccuracy of less life-and-death approaches should make such an approach intolerable. "Over the last eight years, we have seen the government over and over again detain men as 'terrorists,' only to discover later that the evidence was weak, wrong, or non-existent," the report says
I certainly can't provide facts to counter Greenwald (whereverhe's coming from on the political spectrum), And I have not followed the debate back in spring of 2009. Maybe he is a "liar", although I will not concede "coward." Just getting on a platform exposed to the lunatic fringe down there refutes that one. And particularly given his skin colour.
And yet he is following some rather pale footprints.
I'm sorry, but convincing anyone that Obama is anything other than a centrist pro-war democrat takes even larger amounts of self-delusion than what we typically see on the Canadian left. Obama never pretended to be anything other than a centrist democrat, and I don't see why we should, despite all the evidence pointing to the logical conclusion that he is nothing other than a typical pro-war democrat in the mould of Clinton (although I've seen articles alleging that he is further to the right than Reagan was), convince ourselves otherwise just because he's black, an eloquent speaker, a popular figurehead, or because the a certain proportion of right-wing idiots who watch too much Glenn Beck think he's an evil Islamic socialist Marxist.
But, let us accept for a moment that Obama is really a wonderful "progressive" guy who actually wants to bring the troops home, end imperialism, deliver free healthcare for all, and turn the USA into some sort of idealized version of a Swedish social democratic paradise. Then, doesn't this point to problems in the system? Of course, if we point out fundamental problems in the capitalist system, then you would be chiding any of the radicals and activists who regularly do so in your typical smug social democratic attitude with references to pensions and the "great unread" and writing us off like you do in this post:
So, what's your alternative? Your "real political solution" to this problem of Obama not being able to deliver and not wanting to anyways? Just get all those cranky radicals to fold up the tent, drink the kool-aid, and start eating the shit forked out by the likes of Obama?
Or are you just one of those "preachers at the pulpit" that you constantly accuse anyone to the left of Tony Blair of being?
American capitalists love cheap labour in China. But it's wrecking the US economy while Washington wages cerrtain protectionist measures against Chinese imports. And they disallow Chinese investments in the most promising sectors of US economy. It's nothing like our crooked NAFTA deal where US corporations and rich people have majority ownership and control of a number of key sectors of Canada's economy. China has real leaders bargaining shrewdly in their own interests. I think they've chosen to stop financing US Military buildup around China and former Soviet countries. Deal's off, and Chimerica will be getting a divorce.
George:
"But I invite you to actually suggest how he could have brought Congress - including so many on the right wing of his own party - to heel. I'll bet folks are just busting a gut to explain how he could break that dependency of the U.S. on China's cheap goods and its purchases of Treasury bills, explained by Morgan."
In the meantime, I'll keep posting "what Obama is up against."
Fair enough. And I'll keep posting how Obama is a fraud who, yet again, convinced good, well meaning people to throw their lot in with a war party that will roll over their lives en route to delivering what remains of their humanity to corporate mills to be pressed into one dimensional orifices that eat what their fed and shit money.
Okay FM, but one bit of friendly advice...look for expletives that aren't dependent on/ involve, orifices. Lyndon Johnson would have been your kind of pres.
A good test is to ask yourself whether any presidential candidate in the last 50 years has sounded as left-wing (for the U.S., I know...) during the election campaign as Obama. I'm assuming he was sincere.
BUT...
The President has to work with the House and the Senate. He can't, all by himself, change every aspect of government policy - the system was designed by people who didn't trust any one individual that much. That should be borne in mind.
A good test is to ask yourself whether any presidential candidate in the last 50 years has sounded as left-wing (for the U.S., I know...) during the election campaign as Obama. I'm assuming he was sincere.
BUT...
The President has to work with the House and the Senate. He can't, all by himself, change every aspect of government policy - the system was designed by people who didn't trust any one individual that much. That should be borne in mind.
GREAT GAIA.
Please don't go away. Yours was the first flicker of rational response since Towser was a pup. Bless you.
A good test is to ask yourself whether any presidential candidate in the last 50 years has sounded as left-wing (for the U.S., I know...) during the election campaign as Obama. I'm assuming he was sincere.
BUT...
The President has to work with the House and the Senate. He can't, all by himself, change every aspect of government policy - the system was designed by people who didn't trust any one individual that much. That should be borne in mind.
Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon both did a lot more for progressive causes.
Since Reagan however there has been one mode of governance, more or less.
A good test is to ask yourself whether any presidential candidate in the last 50 years has sounded as left-wing (for the U.S., I know...) during the election campaign as Obama.
A good test of what?
Without looking up actual speeches, I'd guess that JFK, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Richard Nixon and George McGovern all made noises more leftish than that empty "hopey changey" thing.
You dream big.
"Without looking up actual speeches, I'd guess that JFK, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Richard Nixon and George McGovern all made noises more leftish than that empty "hopey changey" thing."
Looking up speeches by any GOP figure today would be enlightening.
"The President has to work with the House and the Senate. He can't, all by himself, change every aspect of government policy - the system was designed by people who didn't trust any one individual that much. That should be borne in mind."
You'll find them avoiding this aspect like the plague, ygbtk
I think George W. Bush was secretly a Trotskyist. Of course, he was simply "up against" too much, what with a congress ready and raring to go to war, and the same rich bankers as Obama is up against. And he's done more to convince me that he's a Trotskyist than Obama has done to convinve me he is a progressive - he did surround himself with old Shachtmanites.
Someone please explain to me how George W. Bush could have brought Congress - including so many on the right wing of his own party - to heel. I'll bet folks are just busting a gut to explain how he could break that dependency of the U.S. on China's cheap goods and its purchases of Treasury bills.
Until then, I'll keep posting about what George W. Bush was up against.
Also, I have a similar theory that Stephen Harper is a supporter of the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist)
Who's avoiding this, Geo.? Most of us have been saying all along that we don't expect much from Obama or the Democrats. What, indeed, should one expect, since they have a majority in the Senate and the House? Those teabagging yahoos really have tied their hands.
Gore Vidal in The Progressive
There are examples of when the Yanks have actually been not as far to the right on some aspects of social sector spending, public sector economy and money policies compared to our colonial administrators in Ottawa. Marauding multinational energy companies and big money interests in general have found our federal stooges to be very pliable and easily manipulated over the years.
"The President has to work with the House and the Senate. He can't, all by himself, change every aspect of government policy - the system was designed by people who didn't trust any one individual that much. That should be borne in mind."
You'll find them avoiding this aspect like the plague, ygbtk
So very predictably, to a poster.