Who is the Islamic State? (aka ISIS, aka ISIL)

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Who is the Islamic State? (aka ISIS, aka ISIL)

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My first, and second immediate reaction of the recent beheadings of the two American journalists is that the killer himself should be beheaded in a slow and painful way. It is a savage act of terror and I have nothing but hatred and revenge against that man who some called Jihadist John.

 

The larger question is, who is responsible for the creation of ISIS or ISAL?

No doubt in my mind the U.S intervention in Syria and occupation and invasion of Iraq contributed to the rise of this militant terror group.

 

Unfortunately,  I do not see any solution to the failed state of Syria or the religious wars between Sunni and Shiite.  Maybe the best solution is to leave them alone.

 

More U.N or U.S/UK formed coalition intervention will not solve the problem as much as I want that killer to be arrested, tried, and put to death. I am usually against the death penalty but I have never hated as much a cold blooded killer like him before. Call me emotional. Everybody die everyday I know. People, children in Gaza die , I know. I went to protest those as well.

 

The reality of US policy is to support the government of Iraq, but not Syria, against ISIS. But one reason that group has been able to grow so strong in Iraq is that it can draw on its resources and fighters in Syria. Not everything that went wrong in Iraq was the fault of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, as has now become the political and media consensus in the West. Iraqi politicians have been telling me for the last two years that foreign backing for the Sunni revolt in Syria would inevitably destabilize their country as well. This has now happened.

http://www.thenation.com/article/181339/how-war-terror-created-worlds-mo...

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

The rage will only eat us up and not make it any better. Some terrible stuff is going on; it is always going on. Now, we are more interconnected than ever, and we can find out about one brutal killing across the world in seconds. The source, has to be injustice. Let us fight that however we can.

NDPP

The Grand Saudi Reversal (and vid) -  by Thierry Meyssan

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185132.html

"While for the past 35 years Saudi Arabia has supported all the jihadist movements to the most extremist, Riyadh seems suddenly to have changed policy.

Threatened in its very existence by a possible attack from the Islamic Emirate, Saudi Arabia gave the signal for the destruction of the organization.

But contrary to appearances, the EIS remains supported by Turkey and Israel who sell their looted oil..."

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Pack it up and leave ,stop flights in or out of the entire Middle East and let them have their civil wars.

No need to worry about precious Israel as they can defend themselves quite well...(don't they have nukes? )

But it's more likely that Operation Occupy Iraq 2.0 will happen,the 'good guys' will intervene,a religious war will break out regardlessly and more and more of our civil liberties (what little is left) will be taken away.

You can't win.

Fuck the Middle East.

This shit doesn't help.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/03/harper-government-harshly-critic...

NDPP

US Not Serious in Fighting ISIL Takfiris: Analyst (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/09/08/378056/us-not-serious-in-fighti...

"A political analyst has cast doubt on Washington's sincerity in its anti-ISIL efforts, says the US is not after eradicating such Takfiri groups in a bid to pursue its own objectives in the region, said Ibrahim Mousawi, stressing that the White House seeks to derive benefit from the extremist terrorists 'rather than eradicating the problem from its roots.'

ISIL took control of large swathes of Syria before sending its members into neighboring Iraq in June and seizing large parts of land there."

 

US Seeks To Turn ISIL on Russia: Analyst (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/09/08/378103/us-seeking-to-turn-isil-...

"The United States is a 'desperate' and 'crumbling' imperial power that is using terrorist groups like ISIL to break up its foreign adversaries, with Russia being the next potential target, an analyst in Maine says.

The US government and its allies like Saudi Arabia funded and trained ISIL for many years, said Bruce Gagnon, coordinator of the Global Network aginst Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space.

The US and its regional allies are using the vicious terrorist organization to target nations like Iraq, Syria, Russia and Iran, Gagnon told Press TV during a phone interview on Monday..."

 

George Galloway's Comment: UK Reacts Amid ISIL Threat (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/09/05/377756/uk-reacts-amid-isil-threat/

"British PM David Cameron has vowed that the ISIL terrorist group will 'be squeezed out of existence' as the militants threaten to kill a British hostage..."

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Who Is ISIS? An Open Source Investigation  - by James Corbett

http://www.corbettreport.com/who-is-isis-an-open-source-investigation/

"An open source investigation is desperately needed to sort through the hype to determine the facts behind this shadowy terror group. In this article we will examine the background, current status and future aims of the group, as well as the numerous facts that have been carefully omitted from the officially-sanctioned narrative of the group..."

NDPP

The Caliphate's Anti-Imperial/Imperial Dualism

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/09/the-caliphates-anti-imperialimperia...

"ISIS, the group now claiming a Caliphate, might have had roots in some sectarian scheme the CIA and US Special Forces were running in Iraq. But it has now far exceeded that realm.

There is not that much difference between the unaltered Wahhabi ideology ISIS espouses and the puritanical beliefs of the first white conquerors in North America. The anti-imperial/imperial duality is only one commonality. Indeed I believe that there are quite a lot of parallels between both movements."

NDPP

RT News - September 30, 2014 (1700 MSK)

http://rt.com/bulletin-board/191720-rtnews-september-30-17msk

"Islamic State jihadists shrug off US-led air strikes and move to within an hour's drive of Baghdad and threaten to overrun a key Syrian border town..."

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Barack Obama, the Islamic State and America's Never-Ending War in the Middle East  -  by Hillary Leverett

http://goingtotehran.com/barack-obama-the-islamic-state-and-americas-nev...

"...Obama's pledge to boost America's 'support to forces fighting these terrorists on the ground,' will put the US in the surreal position of combating the threat to US interests posed by jihadi fighters by funding, arming and training...jihadi fighters."

NorthReport

Stewart, Colbert save the day: Bill O’Reilly and Fox News’ ISIS insanity makes them more essential than ever

Stephen Colbert delivers critique CBS was either too afraid, or ill-informed, to use to shut down the Fox blowhard

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/02/stewart_colbert_save_the_day_bill_oreill...

 

NorthReport

Come soon to a Canadian country near you?

Australia plans ban on foreign ‘hate preachers’

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/08/australia_plans_ban_on_foreign_hate_prea...

NorthReport

Intensified U.S. airstrikes keep Kobane from falling to Islamic State militants

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/airstrikes-target-islamic-state-posi...

NorthReport

ISIS Imitators Discussed Attacks on U.S. Targets in Canada

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/isis-imitators-discussed-at...

NorthReport

Kobani will shortly be lost to ISIS

NDPP

291 Days of 'Islamic Justice': Shell Shocked Syrian Town Freed After Savage Massacre  -  by Franklin Lamb

http://www.countercurrents.org/lamb051014.htm

"Last week's battle for Adra al Omalia was a significant turning point. The town is now liberated but the story of what tool place here over the past 291 days is presently emerging, and it is a horrifying one..."

NorthReport

London man admits possessing bomb-making information

Economics graduate, arrested at gunpoint last year, prosecuted over document stored on SD memory card

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/09/man-admits-possessing-bom...

NorthReport

ISIS militants march on despite airstrikes, international outrage

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/world/meast/isis-developments/index.html?h...

NDPP

US Wants to Revive Terror Scare in Order to Keep Up the Terror War Industry - FBI Whistleblower Sibil Edmonds (and vid)

http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/195384-us-fbi-syria-isis/

"...The rise of ISIS is mainly about the brand change. Sometimes...as happens in marketing, we get to see exactly the same principle within the geopolitical games that have been in play for a while now, especially since the end of Cold War,

And the Al-Qaeda brand began wearing off, and that brand has now been changed to ISIS - as always by design.

The ISIS is what the US media and the propaganda creators behind the media decided to create..."

NorthReport
NDPP

The 'Islamic State' is Neither Islamic Nor a State

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2014/10/the-islamic-state-is-neither-is...

"...In other words, first the West is raising fanatics in areas of strategic interests, then it advises these fanatics to wage wars on its enemies, and then abruptly, Western rhetoric changes in order to launch an assault 'against the world's most dangerous evil.'

NorthReport

“Terrorist” sword seized in Australian police raids is plastic

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/13/raid-o13.html

The entire affair underscores the advanced decay of every institution of bourgeois democracy. The government, the parliamentary opposition, the judiciary, the police and the media all participated in an operation, which could have been taken from a military handbook on psy-ops, to instil fear in the Australian population and to justify war and stepped-up state repression.

NorthReport

ON TARGET: ISIS decision must bring end to fear mongering

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1243305-on-target-isis-decision-mus...

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A Caliph In A Wilderness of Mirrors  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-01-151014.html

'I'm aiming at you, lover. Cause killing you is killing myself...'

The Lady From Shanghai, dir. Orson Welles, 1947

NorthReport

Threat of extremist attack in UK is escalating, say police

About 50 people a week referred to deradicalisation programmes, with 218 terror-related arrests so far this year

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/17/extremist-attack-threat-e...

NDPP

Why You Can Hardly Believe A Word of What You Read About ISIS  -  by William Blum

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/17/why-you-cant-believe-nary-a-word-...

"You can't believe a word [Canada,] the United States or its mainstream media say about the current conflict involving the Islamic State (ISIS)..."

NorthReport

At least 70 ISIS bodies dropped off at Syrian hospital, opposition says

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/world/meast/isis-kobani/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

NDPP

America's Chechen Proxy Fighters: The Big Picture Everone Has Missed  -  by Henry Kamens

http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/19/america-s-chechen-proxy-fighters-the-b...

"The media is awash with expert commentary on the various world trouble spots. Many of the reports you see make similar claims about the presence of ethnic Chechens amongst the various fighting forces in Iraq, Syria, Kenya, Ukraine and other war-torn states that the US has vested interests in.

On July 22, Cristina Maza, writing in the Balkanist, stated that 'according to Murad Batal al-Shishani, a London-based expert on Islamic groups and a specialist on Islamic movements in Chechnya, the majority of the Chechen fighters in Syria right now are from the Pankisi Gorge.' [Georgia]

The Chechens being recruited in the Pankisi Gorge did not end up there by accident, they were inserted by the CIA and funded and trained in terrorist warfare by the CIA in order to destabilize other countries the US was interested in. One of the Chechens who appeared in Pankisi Gorge at that time was Imran Akhmadov. He is one of the leaders of ISIL.

He had in fact been provided with a fake Georgian passport, in the name Kavtarashvili, and shipped to Turkey by the US Embassy when people started enquiring about him. The snipers in Maidan Square, who shot at everyone indiscriminately and were also described as Chechens, were similarly removed from the scene and sent to Syria, on fake Georgian passports when it was reported that they were neither protesters nor Ukrainian security services personnel.

All we are seeing now is part of a long lasting, co-ordinated programme of state-sponsored terrorism conducted by the guardians of freedom and democracy, using people it labels as terrorists who it has armed and trained to do all these things. Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, all the conflicts we are seeing are part of the same programme..."

 

Paladin1

I wonder if this is ISIS related.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/20/driver-runs-over-two-canadian-so...

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Driver runs over two Canadian soldiers outside Montreal, police shoot and kill driver after high-speed chase

Postmedia News | October 20, 2014 | Last Updated: Oct 20 4:04 PM ET
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A man in his 30s was shot dead by police south of Montreal on Monday morning after two Canadian soldiers were hit by a car. Police say the man fled the scene of the accident when police arrived, was involved in a chase, lost control of his car and flipped it, got out of the car and ran at police with a knife.

It began just before noon, when the soldiers were hit in the parking lot of a strip mall in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu and the suspect sped off. The regional police followed him and he lost control at an intersection.

When police caught up, the suspect climbed out of his car, a knife in his hand, and ran at them. Police opened fire and he died.
Because the local St-Jean-sur-Richelieu police were involved in a fatality, another police force, in this case the Sûrété du Québec, has taken over the investigation.

 

Unionist

Paladin1 wrote:

I wonder if this is ISIS related.

"You" wonder, do you?

I guess that's what Harper wants you to wonder, having planted a question by one of his MPs this afternoon:

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En réponse à une question plantée de l'un de ses députés, le premier ministre Stephen Harper a déclaré que les informations entourant cet accident étaient «troublantes» et que le gouvernement suivait la situation de près.

[url=http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/actualites-en-societe/421580/militaires-...

Anyway, I think the insinuation that the two Canadian Forces personnel are somehow linked to ISIS is offensive. We should be supporting our troops, especially in wartime, not undermining them.

 

Paladin1

Unionist wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

I wonder if this is ISIS related.

"You" wonder, do you?

Hi unionist!

That's what I said isn't it?

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I guess that's what Harper wants you to wonder, having planted a question by one of his MPs this afternoon:

That's what "you" guess, do you?

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Anyway, I think the insinuation that the two Canadian Forces personnel are somehow linked to ISIS is offensive. We should be supporting our troops, especially in wartime, not undermining them.

 

Come now Unionist, you just never know.  Those "Canadians" could very well have been sleeper agents who jumped out infront of that poor driver in an attempt to. uhhh, I don't know, scare him?   They probably threw that knife in his car at the same time and later when he was running at the cops with the knife he just wanted to  show them the evidence.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Harpo is already using the term a 'terrorist attack'

Thge other day he was cryptic warning about ebola 'hitting our shores' and now 'terror' has.

The fear mongering that he hopes will win him another election.

Paladin1

alan smithee wrote:

Harpo is already using the term a 'terrorist attack'

 

 

That seems really quick considering the apparent lack of details in this story.

Unionist

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Harpo is already using the term a 'terrorist attack'

 

 

That seems really quick considering the apparent lack of details in this story.

LOL! But not too quick to speculate about ISIS, eh? Who needs details? We're at fucking war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Unionist

And that goddam traitor Mulcair isn't supporting the troops - he's questioning our Commander in Chief when we're at fucking war!!!!!

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NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair said he was surprised Hoback had described the incident as an act of terrorism so early on.

“I think it’s a mistake to start drawing conclusions on such limited information, especially as to motive, so I was a bit surprised by the interplay between the prime minister and one of his backbenchers when we are still waiting for any information from the police,” Mulcair told reporters.

TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Paladin1

Unionist wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Harpo is already using the term a 'terrorist attack'

 

 

That seems really quick considering the apparent lack of details in this story.

LOL! But not too quick to speculate about ISIS, eh? Who needs details? We're at fucking war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

You're starting to heat up, maybe time for one of those famous showers :)

MegB

Wow, another white male pissing contest about intrastate and interstate-warfare. Please try to be civil.

Paladin1

Well I was wrong it wasn't ISIS related, just a standard jihad.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/10/20/homme-tue-par-des-policiers-...

 

Acknoledged Meg, no pissing conests in the shower or out :)

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Word of warning to all those who may wish to change your names along with your religion - should it be a Muslim name and your new religion Islam, chances are you will be on a watch-list with the PTB guaging the progress of your "radicalization".

I'm so relieved my half-brother and his family converted to some new age religion after doing a test run with Islam (including changing their first names) back in the 70s. Who knows what mess of trouble they might have gotten into if the conversion had taken place in this century.

As for this "terrorist" incident, if that is the best ISIS can do as far as a terrorist attack on foreign soil, I'm sure their credibility in the eyes of fellow non-affiliated Jihadists must be in tatters.

I'm no security expert or police investigator but it sounds like the poor man was suffering from mental illness. Our media, governments and police are stupid twits - especially if they expect us to swallow this bullshit.

Unionist

laine lowe wrote:
Our media, governments and police are stupid twits - especially if they expect us to swallow this bullshit.

I wish you were right, laine. I don't think they're stupid at all. History shows that bloodcurdling panic-mongering can lead people to do horrible things, against their neighbours, against themselves - overnight - especially when there's no profound tradition and movement of opposition. A few horror stories about Indigenous warriors, or Muslim radicals, or Japanese, or Ukrainians, or Jews, ... or about Saddam or Gaddafi or Taliban or ISIS... and anything goes. You know the history in Canada and abroad as well as I do.

Harper planted a question in the House just so as to sow the "terrorism" seed, so as to: 1) retroactively justify his plunging Canada into a criminal act of aggression and war; and 2) prepare the terrain for more repressive legislation. I wish we could rely entirely on people's intelligence to oppose what he's doing.

 

NDPP

The real secret of Iraq's Germ Weapons  -  by Eric Margolis

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40011.htm

"While covering Iraq in 1990 - just before the first massive US bombing campaign - I discovered the US and Britain had secretly built a germ weapons arsenal for Iraq to use against Iran in the eight year Iran-Iraq War.

I found two British scientists who had been employed at Iraq's top secret Salman Pak chemical and biowarfare laboratory near Baghdad. The Brits confided to me they were part of a large technical team secretly organized and 'seconded' to Iraq in the mid-1980s by the British government and the MI6 Secret Intelligence Service.

Their goal was to develop and 'weaponize' anthrax, plague, botulism and other pathogens for use as tactical germ weapons. The feed stock for the germ weapons came from a US laboratory in Maryland - approved by the US government.

Why are these events of a quarter century ago relevant today? Because the current horrible mess in Iraq and Syria is a direct result of the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

ISIS is a manufactured monster that could have crawled out of the germ warfare plant at Salman Pak."

MegB

Unionist wrote:

laine lowe wrote:
Our media, governments and police are stupid twits - especially if they expect us to swallow this bullshit.

I wish you were right, laine. I don't think they're stupid at all. History shows that bloodcurdling panic-mongering can lead people to do horrible things, against their neighbours, against themselves - overnight - especially when there's no profound tradition and movement of opposition. A few horror stories about Indigenous warriors, or Muslim radicals, or Japanese, or Ukrainians, or Jews, ... or about Saddam or Gaddafi or Taliban or ISIS... and anything goes. You know the history in Canada and abroad as well as I do.

Harper planted a question in the House just so as to sow the "terrorism" seed, so as to: 1) retroactively justify his plunging Canada into a criminal act of aggression and war; and 2) prepare the terrain for more repressive legislation. I wish we could rely entirely on people's intelligence to oppose what he's doing.

 

Reducing this to "a few horror stories" is wrong. "Religious" extremism almost always targets women specifically. A simple beheading isn't enough. Women need to be stripped naked, raped, tortured and then beheaded. Or shot. Or have acid thrown at their faces. Atrocities committed in the name of religion have nothing to do with either culture of spiritual befief. It's about power, and what threatens power.

Unionist

I fully agree with your point, Meg, but I was making a different one, not necessarily connected with religion or extremism. I was trying to make the point that it doesn't take much to turn peaceful folks into warriors and genocidaires - as we saw in Rwanda, or Germany and Eastern Europe in the 30s-40s, or to justify invasions (Gulf of Tonkin, babies unplugged from incubators by Saddam in Kuwait, stonings of women by the Taliban). Stephen Harper and his thugs would tolerate or generate Islamophobic race riots if it helped consolidate his war hero legacy and his service to the "West".

Already this morning, representatives of the Muslim community are being asked by radio hosts what "they" can do to help avoid incidents like the one in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu. It's painful to listen to these Muslim representatives remaining very diplomatic, showing concern, etc. - without telling these hosts where can shove their xenophobic questions.

At an absolute minimum, that one incident, combined with the beheadings, will lead to more repressive "anti-terror" legislation being tabled. They'll have to move quickly too, while the shock and awe is still fresh in people's minds.

 

MegB

I agree, some people can be relatively easy to manipulate into committing atrocities. When I put quotes around "religious" I meant to convey that it has little or nothing to do with religion but everything to do with power.

What I see going on with "anti-terrorist" legislation is the manufacturing of consent for the invasion of other countries and the oppression of citizens. Lone individuals aren't terrorists - terrorism is highly organized, hierarchical, patriarchal. To so loosely apply the term "terrorism" to such a wide range of activities (as the Harper government is doing in a way that hasn't been as extreme since the McCarthy era) ensures the word loses its meaning. The word "terrorism" is just another tool in the government arsenal for control of its electorate.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Let the election campaign begin.

Hey,It worked out swell for Dubya in 2004.

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/federal-government-links-st-jean-hit-and-run-...

NDPP

'Women and Children Dumped in a Well': ISIS Massacres 322 Sunni Tribesmen in West Iraq

http://rt.com/news/201719-islamic-state-tribe-massacre/

"The number of people killed by Islamic State from AL Bu Nimr tribe is 322. The bodies of 50 women and children have also been discovered dumped in a well,' the country's Human Rights Ministry said on Sunday. Ga'oud said he had asked the Iraqi central government on numerous occasions to provide his tribe with arms and men but received nothing.

The news comes after around 200 members of the AL Bu Nimr tribe were slaughtered on Thursday..."

 

A History Lesson: What ISIS Learned From Irgun  -  by William Cook

http://mwcnews.net/focus/editorial/47537-isis-learned-from-irgun.html

"Today, the reality that created the state of Israel from the intellectual loins of fanatics offers us an opportunity to understand a critical political issue confronting the nations of the mid-East and indeed the nations that comprise the United Nations.

The existence of ISIS appears on the surface to be a new phenomenon; it is not.

ISIS in Syria borders the Israeli state; the Islamic state as envisaged by ISIS incudes areas designated for Eretz Israel. A battle of beliefs looms in the mid-East with both sides committed to their respective god given lands, both driven by fanatical beliefs in the righteousness of their cause, both determined to prevent the other from succeeding..."

NDPP

ISIL Takfiri Elements Freely Present in Qatar

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/11/03/384637/isil-elements-freely-pre...

"Elements of the ISIL Takfiri group are freely present in Qatar despite the Arab country's membership in the US-led coalition against the terrorist group..."

 

NS NS's picture

Did Wikileaks predict ISIL/ISIS?

The whistle-blower site docs reveal US State Dept. warnings about the group.

 http://youtu.be/996P9Ap_UV8?list=PLZd3QRtSy5LMOoJCxzddeR1UesZCFVNC1

 

 

NDPP

Pepe Escobar and Thierry Meyssan Talk About ISIS *MUST WATCH!*

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185793.html

Pepe Escobar: ISIS vs 'moderate rebels'?

Thierry Meyssan: "They are the same people. Since the beginning. If you were in Syria you can see the same people - one day with the flag of the 'Free Syrian Army' another day they have the flag of Al Qaeda. It depends on what they have to do.

'Moderate Jihadis'?  Is there a 'moderate' way of cutting off your head?"

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