Zionist Crimes
The Struggle for East Jerusalem - by Jesse Rosenfeld
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2010/12/201012291164610757...
"Palestinian communities in East Jerusalem are waging a campaign of popular resistance against Israel's land confiscation.."
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The terms, Unionist.
It trivializes the terms, and in its worst forms it makes a mockery of the real thing.
And honest comparison is one thing, but when one starts to cut corners and equate it becomes a problem.
Mockery is just one form of resistance. I don't really see why Nazism is such a revered term that it cannot be used as a comparison. I guess comparing anything to old empires like the British or Roman would be off limits under the same theory. Do you think Hitler was as bad as or worse than the Roman empire? Do you think the British Empire was as bad or worse. And then there were the Spanish conquistadors.
Okay now that I think about it no one in history compares to Hitler. After all he was just a short lived flash in the pan compared to the real evil empires.
It should be clear that there is a big war going on all over the Middle East and Central Asia. The area currently called Israel is a strategic point of it, however its importance to the US is now less than in any time in the post-WW2 period, considering the huge number of US military bases all over the region. Rumour has it that the US may even be willing to let Israel go in some kind of Spring/Occupy uprising in that area.
America's continued support of Israel is and will continue to be a constant stumbling block in relations with other states in the region. It might be in the West's interests to cut Israel loose in exchange for peace with many others.
Nice LOLbunny M. Spector. I thought I would comment on that, as an avid fan of the artform myself. Normally, pieces of bread on the heads of animals are associated with "tragically mindless in-breading", or also may be captioned as "Wating for Lord Xenu", as a reference to the Church of Scientology. The pancake, however, is fairly unique, and being comprised of more than just bread materials, may indicate another religion. Being round, further relgious aspirations could be entertained in the caption-writer, as in some kind of 'halo', which might even indicate an Orthodox or Catholic proclivity. Finally, being a "Monorail Rabbit coming through a tunnel", it is subject to any number of quips about not wanting to go to Australia for basic survival reasons.
That's part of it, NS.
It's not that no one compares to Hitler, it is that the name means something distinct in our psyche, and when one uses it, it is not simply in the interests of comparison. And he has a special significance when it comes to Israel which makes it even harder to make any sort of reasonable comparison.
But trying to make comparisons is highly subjective and not a very serious or useful exercise, IMO. Again... expecially when it is Nazi analogies, as Mr. Godwin correctly pointed out.
WRT Israel, you could make a serious comparison with Britain and some of its colonies - certainly as bloody and as racist, even in recent history, and there are more similarities WRT the society and government itself.
We could also say Israel used some of the same policies as Abraham Lincoln - expansionism, allowing racist slave laws in some parts of the country, refusal to recognize the existence of the southern states and working to cause divisions within them, suspension of habeas corpus, blockading their ports, refusal to recognize elected leaders, arresting envoys trying to establish diplomatic negotiations with other countries, conducting sieges, scorched-earth war on civilians, and destroying cities outside of battle. Lincoln also felt that blacks and whites could not live together. His intention after the war was to deport the freed slaves to the Caribbean and South America.
Fair comparison, but also one which demonstrates that the exercise doesn't always tell the whole story.
And for some strange reason Lincoln and the Brits don't pack quite the same punch as old Mr. Hitler does.
And for some strange reason Lincoln and the Brits don't pack quite the same punch as old Mr. Hitler does.
Which is exactly why HE WHO CANNOT BE NAMED is used so often.
Now that we know where everyone stands on historical metaphors, what say we get back to the topic of the thread, eh?
It's not that no one compares to Hitler, it is that the name means something distinct in our psyche, and when one uses it, it is not simply in the interests of comparison. And he has a special significance when it comes to Israel which makes it even harder to make any sort of reasonable comparison.
here's a developing 'Zionist Crime' story...
The Armageddon Network - by Justin Raimondo
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/11/13/the-armageddon-network/
"...This is not a covert conspiracy but rather an open one: the Israelis have threatened, time and time again, to take military action against Iran. They claim the Jewish state faces 'another Holocaust' and that Iran poses an 'existential threat' to Israel's very existence.
The latest wrinkle is that officials in Tel Aviv reportedly told Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, on a recent trip to Israel, that they wouldn't necessarily be informing the White House until after the Israelis have launched their fighter jets and missiles. Perfectly understandable:
After all why should the Israelis - who drain us of $3.5 Billion a year in 'foreign aid' give us a few minutes warning of Armageddon?"
Oh indulge me with just one more, Catchfire. Besides, they might like this one.
It is interesting that Roger Tucker (NDPP's link at #53) focuses on the lurid, and dismisses what is probably the most significant common denominator - anti-communism.
It may not have the same name in Israel, but both states were built on seige mentality, and the notion that they were a bulwark against barbarism. That is the whole reason why they excuse doing the things they do,
As for racism, religious-ethnic purity, violence, expropriation of land, forced internment, expulsion and genocide - there are sadly no end of historical and current examples that fit that - including right here in Canada.
But god forbid we should ever compare anything that happened in Canada to Nazi Germany - even though there were plenty of Nazi sympathizers in powerful positions here and in the USA in the 1930's!
As for anti-communism, that was as pervasive in Canada as in Germany in the 1930's. Modern-day Israel is far less concerned about communism, since it faces no real existential threat at the moment from communists, either domestic or foreign. There are other far more significant common denominators with Nazism, as Tucker elaborates.
Now that we know where everyone stands on historical metaphors, what say we get back to the topic of the thread, eh?
Well, I thought the topic of the thread was "Zionist crimes". One of the most significant crimes committed in Zionism's name is to reject as "anti-Semitic" virtually any negative characterization of Zionism as ideology or practice. When Palestinian civil society condemns Israel's official policy as "apartheid", should we explain to them that they are "off-topic" and should avoid "historical metaphors"?
Now that we know where everyone stands on historical metaphors, what say we get back to the topic of the thread, eh?
Well, I thought the topic of the thread was "Zionist crimes". One of the most significant crimes committed in Zionism's name is to reject as "anti-Semitic" virtually any negative characterization of Zionism as ideology or practice. When Palestinian civil society condemns Israel's official policy as "apartheid", should we explain to them that they are "off-topic" and should avoid "historical metaphors"?
That would be two different things you are talking about.
Yes, there are some, including in our own government as you know, who wrongly try to portray political criticism as anti-Semitism. Refusing funding, silencing debate, and even banning groups based on this lie is indeed an injustice.
Unionist, thanks for that display of sophistry, but I think we both know what this thread is about. If you'd like to start a thread about Nazi comparisons (and if you think such a thread would be in any way productive) fill your boots, but this thread, as anyone can see by reading it, is not that thread. And that goes for you too, Winston.
Israeli Army Steps Up Attacks on Palestinian Water
http://freepaly.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/israeli-army-steps-up-attacks-o...
"...The last two months have seen a steady stream of IOF attacks on Palestinian water wells in the West Bank and Jordan Valley, a troubling trend that warrants bringing the issue of Palestinian water rights once again into the spotlight.."
Destroying Palestinian Solar Plant
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=17252
"Israel wants to destroy a Spanish solar power plant in the West Bank providing electricity for 40 Palestinian families, a school and a medical centre..."
Israeli Government Plans to Exhume 1,000 Bodies from Historic Muslim Cemetary
http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/middle-east/3076-israeli-govern...
"...thousands of graves containing the remains of the companions of the prophet, scholars and martyrs.."
the malevolent Zionist entity, so supported and protected by all Canadian political parties, persecutes the living and the dead..
Bibi's Official Genocide Policy - by Craig Murray
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/11/bibis-official-genocide-p...
"...it is quite astonishing that Netanyahu's declared, published and open intention to wipe the Palestinians from the map gets nill publicity in the west. The source for this is impeccable: Likud's party platform as presented on the website of the Knesset.
This is absolutely compulsory reading for anybody who was taken in by the opposition to Palestinian statehood 'without negotiation' as explained by the Israeli stooges in western governments.."
or their 'loyal' oppositions
The Russell Tribunal Stands Up to Silence
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/?p=3053
"...Analyzing 25 Israeli Acts and eight Bills, the tribunal found that Jewish Israelis are privileged in most spheres of public life inside Israel, including residency rights, land ownership, urban planning, access to services and social, economic and cultural rights.."
Israel Steps Up Police State Crackdown
http://www.theprogressivemind.info/?p=74616
"Authorities committing daily repression won't refrain from inflicting bodily, even life-threatening harm on Palestinians and Israelis whose views and actions they consider objectionable. In fact, doing so is longstanding official policy. Today it's more ruthless and unrestrained than ever...No wonder so many Jews vote with their feet and leave..."
yet still our pols maintain their studied silence...
But ALL parties in the House condemned Iran and voted for sanctions despite the fact it appears to be actually adhering to the Non-Proliferation Treaty that they signed. The international monitors are in the nuclear facilities because Iran is adhering to the Treaty. The other three countries were never monitored because they refused to agree not to develop the bomb. Hell with our CANDU technology Canada should be indicted for spreading weapons of mass destruction.
Unlike their neighbours in Pakistan, India and Israel Iran doesn't have the bomb. Iran has not invaded another country for hundreds of years. Why cannot at least one party in the House have a nuanced foreign policy that takes into account actual history not NATO propaganda.
Interesting report on the Real News Network. It is an alternate take on the AIEA investigations in Iran. I am 75 years old and I have never known Iran to invade any country in my lifetime. Iraq, at the behest of the US, invaded Iran and they fought for 20 years.
Interesting report on the Real News Network. It is an alternate take on the AIEA investigations in Iran. I am 75 years old and I have never known Iran to invade any country in my lifetime. Iraq, at the behest of the US, invaded Iran and they fought for 20 years.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7585
Here is a link. Thx I enjoyed the interview. The analysis at the end of the interview about the main Israeli objective now being tough sanctions would explain the unanimous support in the H of C for sanctions. PARTIES IN CANADA'S HOUSE OF COMMONS have agreed to sanctions based on the flimsiest evidence. Sanctions that the Israeli MSM describe as an attempt to cripple Iran's economy. Both the government and her majesty's official opposition are in lock step.
The new measures set out in Executive Order 13590, signed by US President Barack Obama, are designed to persuade Iran to halt this potential catastrophe by severely disrupting the flow of technical supplies, fuel and finance into the Iranian energy industry, thereby crippling the country’s economy.
http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Opinion/Article.aspx?id=246703
Israelis Filmed Abusing Palestinian Prisoners (vid)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/?p=3175
of course this is nothing much really, as compared to the zios hardcore fun - stuff they WON'T show on Israeli TV...where's that bone-smashing IDF vid?..will post anon.
Apartheid Oil - by Macdonald Stainsby
http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/4276
",,,Crude oil trapped in shale could transform Israel into an energy powerhouse. What promises to be the most energy intensive form of oil recovery on the planet could reinforce Israel's military might, while presenting a new threat to scarce water resources and the climate..."
not to mention it's all somebody else's
EI Exclusive: UK Charity with Mossad Links Secretly Denounced Anti-Zionist Jews to Government
http://electronicintifada.net/content/ei-exclusive-uk-charity-mossad-lin...
"An influential UK charity denounced Jewish critics of Israel in secret reports to the government earlier this year, the Electronic Intifada has learned.."
I Am Sick Of... by Mazin Qumsiyeh (and vid)
http://popular-resistance.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-am-sick-of.html
"The end of the world is Dec. 21, 2012 according to the Mayan Calendar being the year 5125. I do not know about that but I do know that the window of opportunity to end the world of privilege and chosenness is quickly closing and we must have enough people involved in speaking truth to power and finally removing this power from the elites.
The alternative is deterioration to a real world scenario where humans are on each other's throats fighting over remnant natural resources depleted and destroyed by greed.
Is this little blue planet worth saving?
If your answer is yes, then you belong to one of two groups of people: activists who do something about their convictions or apathetic people that do not act on their convictions..."
Settlers Attack 2 Children in Hebron
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=451042
"Israeli settlers in Hebron attacked two Palestinian children in the West Bank city on Sunday, their family said. The group threatened Muhammad Abu Eisha, 12, and his brother Ibrahim, 11, with a knife before striking the children..Israeli soldiers did not apprehend the group..."
Israel Plans More Walls - by Stephen Lendman
http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2012/01/israel-plans-more-walls...
"Instead of peace, reconciliation, equity and justice, Israel plans settlement expansion and more Walls. Projected to exceed 800 km when completed, its route is largely within the Green Line. It's not for security. It's land theft plain and simple, around 12% of Palstine. Combined with settlements, miitary zones, parks, commercial developments, other closed areas, and open spaces, nearly half the West Bank will be annexed. Perhaps more eventually as land theft continues unabated.
It's a massive land grab, a settlement expansion scheme and plan to seize all valued land, dispossess tens of thousands, entirely Judaize East Jerusalem and enforce police state harshness. Illan Pappe believes the Zionist project involves constructing, then defending 'a Western/'white' fortress in the Arab/'dark' world.."
Professor of Hate: Israeli 'Scholar' [Arnon Sofer] Urges Ethnic Cleansing of Bedouins - by Ali Abunimah
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/professor-hate-israeli-...
"A prominent Israeli professor at the University of Haifa, Arnon Sofer, is urging the government to act fast to ethnically cleanse Palestinian Bedouins lest Israel be 'destroyed' by them.
For years the Israeli state has mobilized all its resources to complete the ethnic cleansing of Bedouin - Palestinian indigenous people - and the 'judaization' of their land. Already much of their land has been taken, and the few places they've found refuge are under threat.
The ethnic cleansing proceeds with the full support or active participation of Israel's Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund which uses bogus tree-planting initiatives to greenwash the theft of Bedouin land.."
Israel Another Apartheid South Africa? (and vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/Program/221312.html
"South Africa has demanded Israel and International governments to immediately dismantle the state of Israel's system of apartheid over the Palestinian people and to rescind all discriminatory laws and practices..."
must watch!
Israeli 'Satire' Show Latma TV (and vid)
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-satire-show-lat...
"The Israeli 'satire' show Latma TV produces an animated cartoon that depicts African people as apes.."
Anti-Zionism in the 21st Century - by Tariq Shadid
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=17740
"The essence of the Palestinian struggle is the battle against Zionism. Let us first look briefly at the history of the anti-Zionist struggle and then see where we stand today.."
IDF Torturer Doron Zahavi Wants to Sodomize Arabs and Get Medal For It
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2012/02/05/idf-torturer-dor...
"Doron Zahavi, who still can be called only 'Captain George' in the Israeli media, has gone public with his greivance against the IDF, which employed him to torture kidnapped Arabs...
Lest you doubt he is a rotten apple, take a peek at this.."
Crimes Against Humanity: The Torture of Palestinian Children - by Stephen Lendman
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29131
"Israel ignores all international laws. It does what it pleases, including against children as young as 10, no matter their innocence. DCI Palestine and other human rights organizations demand these crimes against humanity end and those responsible be held accountable. So far it hasn't happened..."
The search bar is gone on my babble page, I found this by clicking on "Gaza" in the "browse by issue bar", can't find a better place to put this.
West Bank outposts spreading into Area B, in violation of Oslo Accords
Palestinians Hear the Water
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=106825
"After a recent Israeli Supreme Court decision allowed Israeli companies to maintain quarrying and mining activities in the occupied West Bank, local human rights groups and activists say the decision has opened the door dangerously to Israel's pillaging of other Palestinian resources.
'On its face, the new rule allows the occupier (in long term occupation) to make endless use of the variety of objects found in the occupied territory'. Israeli human rights group Yesh Din stated. 'To pump its water resources, to transfer its archaeological artifacts to somewhere outside the territory, to use areas within it for garbage disposal, to sell public real estate, and more..'
The court argued that the laws of occupation change when the occupation is long term, in other words, the powers of an occupying power can expand, while the prohibitions against it become increasingly flexible, in a long-standing occupation.."
sounds just like Canadian court decisions on land rights...
'I Can't Take Part In These Crimes' : Israeli Refusenik Interviewed
http://electronicintifada.net/content/i-cant-take-part-these-crimes-isra...
"Earlier this week, 18 year old Israeli Noam Gur publicly announced her intention to refuse mandatory service in the Israeli army. Set to be drafted next month on 16 April, Gur stated in an open letter:
'I refuse to take part in the Israeli army because I refuse to join an army that has, since it was established, been engaged in dominating another nation, in plundering and terrorizing a civilian population that is under its control..'
I think we're at a place of no return. I really do think that if we want to change anything in Israeli society, the pressure needs to be really, really strong from outside. That's why I support the BDS call. It's really going to be hard to change it from within. I think it's kind of impossible.."
Bravo Noam Gur!
Videos Of Theft of Palestinian Water (and vids) - by Kawther Salam
http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2012/03/21/videos-of-theft-of-palestinian-wa...
"According to a report received yesterday, Monday March 19, 2012 by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the occupied Palestinian territory, the zionist jewish colonists have 'seized' Palestinian Water Resources (dozens of natural springs) in the occupied West Bank, barring Palestinians and limiting their access to scarce water in the area..."
yet again this from 'the only democracy in the Middle East' (TM)
Shlaim Shills For Empire - by Max Ajl
http://www.maxajl.com/?p=4650
"'America' does not give Israel money, nor does America give Israel 'money': It routes American taxpayer money through the Israeli territory, where it lands back in the American military-industrial complex, with 25 percent of it allowed to stay in 'Israel' where it contributes to building up the 'Israeli' defense industrial base, most of which is listed on American stock changes and owned by American or Israeli-American investors.
The Lobby is the force that pushes for American acquiescence to settlement building. But it gets that acquiescence, in spite of the fact that other sectors of power wish otherwise, because it provides services to American and global capital, keeping the Middle East destabilized, with high oil prices ensuring maximal profits for oil majors, those same oil profits wending their way into the coffers of the same companies, and all of it tied up nicely with the Israeli-Gulf Cooperation Council push for the Middle East Free Trade Area, meant to ensure the dominance of neoliberal capitalism in the Middle East."
ta ta - the Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement. Lotsa shill for empire here too in this - Canada -as - 'consulate for Benjamin Netanyahu' - across the official political spectrum too. No wonder the evil Ottawa talkshop, just as with NATO and Afghan agonies - won't open their mouths for the dead and dying children of Gaza. Bad for business.
UK Feared Israel Would Use Nukes Archives Reveal
http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=201663
"A diplomatic cable from the UK Embassy in Tel Aviv, dated May 4, 1980 warned ' the situation in the region is deteriorating and with it Israel's dangerous mood of isolation and defiance will grow. If they are to be destroyed they will go down fighting this time. They will be ready to use their atomic weapon. Because they cannot sustain a long war, they would have to use it early...'
When Thatcher told Begin, that his West Bank Settlement policy was 'unrealistic' and 'absurd', his reply was 'Judea and Samaria had been Jewish in biblical times and that they should therefore be so today.."
Largely Unreported Al Jazeera (Arabic) interview with Julian Assange (and vid)
http://beanbaggage.com/?p=51
"Most of the files related to Mossad are classified top secret. But there may be some files related to the role of Mossad in killing a Lebanese military leader in Damascus by sniper bullets. There are 2,500 files related to Mossad and I have read only 1,000.."
Are we meant to find some cryptic meaning in the insertion of the "/" in the word "Zionist"?
no just a finger fumble but your idea is much more interesting
Closed Society
http://www.hahem.co.il/slipperyslope/en/?p=1027
"Rabbi Dov Lior, one of the most senior deciders of Jewish law in religious Zionism, has determined that Jewish women are not allowed to obtain a sperm sample from non-Jewish men. Rabbi Lior said the resulting infant would suffer adverse genetic traits.."
WikiLeaks Shocker: Gaza Blitz - Did Abbas Know?
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27442
"Abbas was told in advance about the murderous assalt on his countrymen in Gaza, two years ago.."
Abu-Rahma laid to rest
Report: The Dangerous Road to Education: Palestinian Students Suffer Under Settler Violence and Military Negligence
http://www.operationdove.org/
"Since 2001, Israeli settlers from Hovat Ma' have routinely attacked the children on their journey to and from school, but it was not until November 2004 that Israeli authorities established a daily military escort. Despite the Israeli military escort, the children have been victims of violence 104 times between November 2004 and June 2010.."
Wiesel to Act as Honorary Chair of Anti-semitism Institute
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/bozo-the-clown-named-honorary-chair-of-...
"Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Wiesel earlier this month agreed to become honorary chair of the Canadian Institute of the Study of Antisemitism (CISA) established here [Winnipeg] by historian Catherine Chatterley"
The serene liberal loves to be appalled by the right's racism. He feels so righteous at such moments. But the older form of racism, that of Vilnai and his ilk, can actually teach us something about its origins.
The religious-popular brand of racism always reflected powerlessness: The government preaches power, but when it has no power, the margins are able to take advantage of this worship of power, whether it's called "deterrent power" or "national pride."
The vacuum of weakness is filled by shrieking. And a lynching grants each of its participants a "military" role: He doesn't think, but he's important. He obeys orders from a higher power, and it speaks for him.
Two years ago, Lieberman's star was rising: "He says what everyone thinks." That's a fascist motto. That's exactly how Rabbi Meir Kahane rose from the ashes of the failure in Lebanon, back in 1984, after the Sabra and Chatila massacres. He, too, said "what everyone thinks."
Israeli leftists have a racist past, tooThe Zionist Story (and vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA1lDow-0rk
thanks CMOT.
The Great Islamophobic Crusade - by Max Blumenthal
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LL23Ak01.html
"This network is obsessively fixated on the supposed spread of Muslim influence in America. Its apparatus spans continents, extending from Tea Party activists here to the European far right. It brings together in common cause right-wing ultra Zionists, Christian evangelicals and racist British soccer hooligans.
It reflects an aggressively pro-Israel sensibility, with its key figures venerating the Jewish state as a Middle Eastern Fort Apache on the front lines of the global 'war on terror' and urging the US and various European powers to emulate its heavy-handed methods"
Toxic Zionism (and vid)
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/toxic-zionism/
"It's not only the bombs, the guns and the tear gas that is killing off an entire people, it's Zionism itself."
Anti-Semitism: Zionism's Indispensable Alibi (vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScjJDQUl9dw&feature=player_embedded
"Although Zionism typically represents itself as the solution to anti-Semitism, the truth is less flattering."
Israel said it would keep Gaza near collapse: Wikileaks
"As part of their overall embargo plan against Gaza, Israeli officials have confirmed to (U.S. embassy economic officers) on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge," one of the cables read.
Israel wanted the coastal territory's economy "functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis," according to the November 3, 2008 cable.
That was about 6 weeks before they decided to have a little humanitarian crisis after all, by invading and bombing Gaza and murdering 1400 Palestinians.
I fixed the typo in the thread title.
Thanks Maysie
Child Deformity in Gaza
http://jnoubiyeh.com/2011/01/medics-shocked-at-number-of-child.html
"the campaign said the Strip was rife with children deformed by white phosphorous, depleted uranium, napalm, cluster bombs and internationally prohibited arms in the last Gaza war."
supported by Canada, Israel's 'best friend'
The IDF kills 1 Palestinian civilian every 2 days, on average, with impunity
From 2006 to 2009, the IDF killed 1,510 Palestinians, not including Palestinians killed in Operation Cast Lead. Of these 1,510 deaths, 617 were of persons who were not taking part in hostilities.
Imagine if an Israeli were killed every couple of days in Palestine. The bombs would never stop falling on Arab heads.
Shot in the Head - by Alison Weir
http://www.counterpunch.org/weir01142011.html
"In the past 10 years Israeli forces have killed at least 255 Palestinian minors by fire to the head, and the number may actually be greater. In addition, this statistic does not include the many more Palestinian youngsters shot in the head by Israeli soldiers who survived, in one form or another.."
How Canada Subsidizes Illegal Israeli Settlements - by Yves Engler
http://www.counterpunch.org/engler01142011.html
"Canadian organizations can openly fundraise for settlements Ottawa (officially) deems illegal under international law and gets the government to pay up to a third of the cost through tax credits for donations...Ottawa makes it difficult for Canadians to support many Palestinian groups all the while subsidizing expansionist and militaristic Israeli institutions. Canadians of good conscience should protest and demand change."
Furthermore the only Israeli terrorist formation listed, the Kahane Chai, has significant ties to the Jewish Defence League Canada, which operates freely here. Why?
Soldiers, Settlers and the Police Are the Occupation
http://www.imemc.org/article/60375
"Anyone who lives here like me knows that the soldiers, the police and the settlers are a team that works together. The settlers attack us. the soldiers give settlers protection. And the police arrests us."
Israeli Banks Finance Newspaper Calling For Genocide
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/israeli-society/...
'Major Israeli banks, credit institutions and communication companies are among the advertisers in an extreme right-wing magazine that called for building concentration camps. An Israeli Jewish Orthodox magazine 'Ma'ayanei Hayeshiva' (Fountains of Salvation), that is distributed freely in hundreds of synagogues all across the country has been the center of attention after calling in its editorial for the concentration of Arabs in extermination camps.
In the article, published on December 25, 2010, the editors attack rabbis who refused to support the call against renting apartments to Palestinians and accuse them of being too cowardly to follow the biblical command of wiping out the people of Amalek (Palestinians). This blunt call for a genocide against Palestinians is now new in publications of the Israeli extreme right, but this is the first time it appears in a 'family' magazine with prominent advertisers.."
'GAS THE ARABS! - JDL'
Israel's Right Wing Future - by Lawrence Davidson
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27285.htm
"However you want to title it, Sternhell's message is clear. He is very concerned about Israel's right wing government. He thinks the present regime is controlled by dangerous people such as Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and a Knesset full of folks who believe that the Israeli 'left' are traitors...
A real problem for Sternhell is that Avigdor Lieberman and his Knesset proteges are more representative of Israel than either he or liberal journalist Gideon Levy. Indeed, not just the traditional 'left' but those who fancy themselves as 'liberals' are just about done for in Israel. Some of them knew it and are packing their bags to leave. This process has been building for some time and it makes perfect sense. You see, Zionism really is racism.
If you are one of the few on the inside who decides to criticize the process, the fanatics will turn on you with a vengeance. After all, there is nothing worse than a traitor to the sacred cause. This is exactly the present situation in today's Israel."
The results of Knesset elections have consistently moved to the right since 1948.
It depends on how you wish to define "right". It's a rather different paradigm than in Canada. There's the "right" with regards to security policy, etc., exemplified by Likud and Yisrael Beteinu and then there's the "religious right" exemplified by Degel HaTorah and Agudath Yisrael (operating together as United Torah Judaism). The religious right's main concerns are both issues of religious law and getting massive amounts of government money to support their schools and Torah studying lifestyle. THe reason the last coalition governmentn under Livni collapsed was because the religious right pulled their support over Livni's lack of support for housing subsidies. Given that the "Charedi" (ultra-orthodox) sector is by far the fastest growing demographic with birth rates multiple times that of the rest of the country, they will soon become the dominant force in Israeli politics.
Israeli Racism - by Stephen Lendman
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2011/01/israeli-racism.html
"This is not only a Jewish state, where the majority of the inhabitants are Jews, but a state for all Jews, wherever they are, and for every Jew who wants to be here...This right is inherent in being a Jew.' It applies to no one else.."
WikiLeaks Reveals US, Egyptian, Israeli and Palestinian 'Co-operation' During Israel's War Crimes in Gaza
http://qumsiyeh.org/rightsblog2011/
"Here in Palestine we have a relentless assault not only on us and our lands but on truth, on democracy, on nature, on dignity, and, dare I say, on god...."
Sidebar: The late, great Chinghiz Aitmatov once wrote about Yanqui militaristic hubris in the Reagan era and said that all that was left for them was to raise their hands against the very God they claimed to believe in.
Quelle surprise; the Israelis say that their massacre of activists on the Gaza flotilla was legal.
Link
Gee, a terrorist state finds murder and terror legal? Sounds about right.
Quelle surprise; the Israelis say that their massacre of activists on the Gaza flotilla was legal.
Sounds right to me. Armed thugs invade your home - you resist - they kill you. Self-defence, right?
And a special DIS - honourable mention goes out to Canada's POS on the Turkel Commission:
Kenneth Watkin QC
"always remember their names"
White Rose Resistance Movement
Turkel Committee's Conclusion on the Gaza Blockade
http://www.freegaza.org/
Israeli Soldiers Ordered to 'Cleanse' Gaza
http://www.channel4.com/news/israeli-soldiers-ordered-to-cleanse-gaza
"Israel's controversial invasion of Gaza deliberately aimed to 'cleanse' Palestinian neighbourhoods, fomer soldiers have alleged, in claims that will reignite the debate over the legality of the 3 week military campaign two years ago. Ohad also says: 'We needed to cleanse the neighbourhoods, the buildings, the area. It sounds really terrible to say 'cleanse' but those were the orders...I don't want to make a mistake with the words.."
With all the attention Egypt is receiving these days, one almost forgets the daily atrocity that is the Zionist entity.
Settlers kill 2 Palestinian teens, soldiers attack funeral
Quelle surprise; the Israelis say that their massacre of activists on the Gaza flotilla was legal.
Link
Gee, a terrorist state finds murder and terror legal? Sounds about right.
Not just murder and terror but piracy. Because that's what that action was. I always find it maddening how the Western media refuses to call these crimes for what they are and instead engages in the use of doublespeakism like "collateral damage".
With all the attention Egypt is receiving these days, one almost forgets the daily atrocity that is the Zionist entity.
Settlers kill 2 Palestinian teens, soldiers attack funeral
And some people wonder why Israel is so hated in so many countries. Can they really not figure this out?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
It's not like the facts are being hidden from them.
Israel Airstrikes on Gaza Injure 10
http://www.presstv.com/detail/164335.html
"At least 10 people have been injured as Iraeli war planes launched several airstrikes on the besieged Gaza Strip, Palestinian medical sources say.."
Israeli Planes Violate Lebanese Airspace
http://www.presstv.com/detail/164365.html
2 Israeli fighter jets have penetrated Lebanese airspace and flew over parts of the country in a flagrant violation of a UN Security Council Revolution.."
shoot the f**kers down!
Israel Airstrikes on Gaza Injure 10
http://www.presstv.com/detail/164335.html
"At least 10 people have been injured as Iraeli war planes launched several airstrikes on the besieged Gaza Strip, Palestinian medical sources say.."
Israeli Planes Violate Lebanese Airspace
http://www.presstv.com/detail/164365.html
2 Israeli fighter jets have penetrated Lebanese airspace and flew over parts of the country in a flagrant violation of a UN Security Council Revolution.."
shoot the f**kers down!
Terrorists.
Tzipi Livni visits the wrong Hague
Livni was Foreign Minister and part of the Zionist government that shared collective responsibility for atrocities committed during Operation Cast Lead, the assault on Gaza that killed over 1,400 people - many of them children – and left over 20,000 people homeless.
The NDP Candidates should be asked why they continue to support Zionist warcriminals like her
IDF Interviews: Israeli Soldiers Told to 'Cleanse' Gaza (and vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-SWTw9n2os&feature=player_embedded
"Israeli soldiers tell Channel 4 News they were ordered to 'cleanse' Palestinian neighborhoods, as filmmaker Nurit Kedar says 'the atmosphere was that nobody should talk about this war'..."
and of course, these tactics enjoyed the overwhelming support of the Israeli Jewish population
Out-Of-Control-Israeli-State-Terror - by Stephen Lendman
http://warisacrime.com/content/out-control-israeli-state-terror
"All Israeli attacks violate Israeli and International law. Israel maliciously makes it a war zone. Human lives and welfare are non-starters. State terror defines Israeli policy...Israel remains unaccountable..."
with Canada's help and support
The Russell Tribunal on Palestine Finds Israel Guilty of the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution
http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/africa/3041-russell-tribunal-on...
"The Russell Tribunal on Palestine and its eminent panel of jurists has determined that Israel's practices against the Palestinian people are in breach of the prohibition of apartheid under international law. The Tribunal concluded unanimously that
'Israel subjects the Palestinian people to an institutionalized regime of domination amounting to apartheid as defined under international law.'..."
That quote's a keeper. Pass it on.
'Israel Pursuing Policies of Nazis' (and vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/208959.html
"A political analyst says the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud Party are pursuing the policies of former German dictator Adolf Hitler,
'Likud Party is a fascist, racist party, which promotes the fascist and racist notion of the nation-state,' Bruce Katz, co-president of the Palestinian and Jewish Unity, told Press TV from Montreal, Canada on Monday..."
I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.
I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.
I find it rather repulsive that anyone would be bothered more by the comparison than by the policy.
I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.
Then get the Israeli government to not act like them
Sorry I seemed to be in the Twilight zone. I write simply as someone who understands that Israel is not Nazi Germany. Those who make such stupid statements give the left a bad name.
Sorry I seemed to be in the Twilight zone. I write simply as someone who understands that Israel is not Nazi Germany. Those who make such stupid statements give the left a bad name.
Emphasis added.
Why would a statement made by some Canadian on Iranian TV "give the left a bad name"??
Please explain where you saw anything about the "left" in the article that was linked?
You have yet to explain which one bothers you more - Israeli government policy, or the fact that some individual quoted on Iranian TV compared them to Hitler.
So which one is it, Jim??
Be careful how you answer. You wouldn't want to give the [whatever you are] a "bad name", would you now?
I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.
The Wikileaks-stained U.S. cables in November 2010 read like a parodied script of Alexander the Great’s ancient conquests, with a few altered leading roles to fill out the comedy. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was “Hitler,” Russia’s Vladimir Putin was the “Alpha male,” Nicolas Sarkozy of France was branded a “naked emperor,” all as allegedly described by U.S. officials and revealed in leaked documents.
A year later, and one of these names has destructively arisen again: Ahmadinejad as Hitler. The narrative stems from Israeli government chatter as the country grapples with the prospect of a nuclear Iran and how to “deal with it.” A report from the United Nations last week listed damning evidence that Iran is conducting research they hope will lead to an atomic weapon. Indeed, this would be enough to prompt Israel into military action against the ayatollahs. And no matter how much Ahmadinejad plugs it nuclear program as “peaceful,” there is no doubt that Israel fears the threat. Hence the Hitler title.
But he is not only “a Hitler,” Ahmadinejad is apparently Netanyahu’s Hitler, says Israel columnist Nahum Barnea, who gave his take on the Israeli premier’s thinking: “Ahmadinejad is Hitler; if he isn’t stopped in time, there will be another Holocaust.” He continued, “There are those who describe Netanyahu’s attitude on the matter as an obsession: All his life he dreamed of being Churchill; Iran gives him the opportunity.”
I guess just like killing civilians and attacking its neighbours Israel is allowed to use the "Nazis' comparison while every other nation is restricted by ugly conventions like war crimes law and good taste.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/11/13/176924.html
I think all discourse on this topic could benefit from using clearly descriptive contemporary terms of the human rights violations of Palestinians by the government of Israel without constant reference to historical parallels. Not that those parallels shouldn't be brought forward (they have, after all, veracity), but perhaps a more judicious use of those comparisons might lead to more productive debate.
Well there is a very good reason why Mike Godwin made up Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies, and Rebecca pointed it out exactly.
It's not a rule, but a jocular observation. The kind of jocular observations that occur thousands of times every day on forum boards around the web, and usually receive no special attention.
Only this one has been accorded mythical status as some kind of authoritative piece of wisdom, thanks to people who have a vested interest in avoiding the truth. And that truth is that fascism and Nazism differ from "ordinary" capitalist democracy only as a matter of degree; there is nothing that was done by Hitler that, in principle, would never be done by more "enlightened" capitalist states.
Those vested interests want to maintain the myth that Nazism was unique and beyond comparison to anything else that has ever happened. And so they perpetuate an internet meme designed to uphold that mythology.
I don't know why babble would want to have any part of it.
Hitler's Nazism Was The Same as Today's Zionism Says Holocaust Survivor (and vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9v9YAK6wKg
Why Zionism-Nazism Comparisons are Legitimate - by Khaled Amayreh
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/why-zionism-nazism-compariso...
"We need to highlight these similarities and the 'common ground' between Zionism and Nazism, irrespective of how many people will be upset by these comparisons. The truth is always a paramount value in itself.."
Zionism and Nazism: Is There a Difference That Makes a Difference? - by Roger Tucker
http://www.redress.cc/zionism/rtucker20100222
"Roger Tucker argues that Zionism and Nazism are 'identical manifestations of the same basic pathology' and that they are 'equally dangerous to the well being of humanity.."
Banning Comparisons Between Nazism and Zionism and Israel
http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/07/banning-comparisons-between-nazism-an...
"Criminalisation of free speech.."
Actually M. Spector, once homework became torture, bosses became Nazis, and the cat became Hitler the only thing it did was render these absolute terms completely meaningless.
And "apartheid" is pretty much in the same pile.
If Israel's crimes are so great, I am sure they can be judged on their own merit. After all, if you are going to talk about something, perhaps you should talk about IT rather than relying on these comparisons to add colour (and confuse things).
Sorry, Godwin (and Seinfeld) had it right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwbjcuQUv8For that matter, Orwell had the word "fascism" pegged as meaningless half a century ago.
Actually M. Spector, once homework became torture, bosses became Nazis, and the cat became Hitler the only thing it did was render these absolute terms completely meaningless.
Thank you for refuting Rebecca's argument above. People saying "this homework is torture" or "murder" trivializes torture and murder? What foolish sophistry.
If you don't think Israel's treatment of Palestinians is as bad as the South African racists' treatment of black Africans, Indians, and coloreds - why not just say so - instead of hiding behind Rebecca's "historical parallels aren't useful" thesis.
Human beings can't think, analyse, exist, without making comparisons. It's called learning from experience. Those who commit crimes are very pleased not to be compared to their predecessors.