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6079_Smith_W

Come on, Paladin. It is right there.

Paladin1

I know, and you're right. I could have put more effort into answering my own question. Guilty.

But I was asking about you because of your edited comment. It seemed uncharacteristically sarcastic, hense my concern.

6079_Smith_W

You mean pointing out that you know how to use google as well as I do? Well it's true, no?

quizzical

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Quizzical at present you are correct that Trans Mountain has not announced its construction plans. Saying there is going to be a camp in either Valemont or Blue River and what size they will be is indeed merely speculation.  If this project is not stopped then I suspect that not much of the construction plan will change except the timelines that may be accelerated which in fact will lead to larger camps.

Blue River where the Tiny House Warriors are living is beside an area owned by Transmountain and already designated as a potential camp. Camps there and in Valemont have not been announced or finalized but they are both in the construction plan that was put on hold so she is obviously assuming they will go ahead as planned, a premature assumption but not a fraudulent or outrageous one.

On February 22, 2019, the National Energy Board (NEB) delivered its Reconsideration report to the Government of Canada, with an overall recommendation that the Trans Mountain Expansion Project is in the Canadian public interest and should be approved. The Project will be subject to 156 conditions enforceable by the NEB.

We will provide a new Project timeline once one becomes available.

https://www.transmountain.com/general-construction#entry:882#timeline

https://www.transmountain.com/valemount?b=52.814%2C-119.287%2C52.821%2C-...

Kropotkin what is bs is her portrayal it's remote, that it was going in where she stated and that she talked to people in town stating we're fearful for our children.

you want to know why the camp was proposed in the first place as we have more than enough capacity to house 500? to protect the workers from towns people gouging them. yup seriously. the last 500 through here were exploited and were really upset about it.

there was 0 increase in crime or violence. no sex workers. nobody in town is worried in the least.

6079_Smith_W

Evidently it is a different story up the road.

https://unistoten.camp/mancamps/

quizzical

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Evidently it is a different story up the road.

https://unistoten.camp/mancamps/

it's actually remote and way way up the road. in Europe it might be 2 or 3 countries  away. 

Valemountians have no issue nor do the Simpcw.

 

Pogo Pogo's picture

While I lean to quizzical's side (even though I found a number of arguments persuasive), I find that we are  getting into a typical sword and shield battle.  Camp workers bad or camp workers good.  One side attacks and the other defends. Nobody will give an inch.  Are there still problems with remote workers - I imagine so. Is it beyond control - I doubt it..

 

Pondering

quizzical wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Evidently it is a different story up the road.

https://unistoten.camp/mancamps/

it's actually remote and way way up the road. in Europe it might be 2 or 3 countries  away. 

Valemountians have no issue nor do the Simpcw.

 

quizzical it seems to me the camps you are referring to are not man camps. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Most people on the planet including the majority of Canadians would definitely call Valemount a remote village.  If you put a 500 to 800 person camp I think it will bring in some assholes that weren't there before and would not have come otherwise.

Valemount is a village municipality of 1,018 people in east central British Columbia, Canada, located 320 kilometres (200 mi) from Kamloops, British Columbia.

quizzical

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Most people on the planet including the majority of Canadians would definitely call Valemount a remote village.  If you put a 500 to 800 person camp I think it will bring in some assholes that weren't there before and would not have come otherwise.

Valemount is a village municipality of 1,018 people in east central British Columbia, Canada, located 320 kilometres (200 mi) from Kamloops, British Columbia.

there's 40 thousand vehicles going by in a day. our town swells to 2000 in peak winter and summer seasons. we literally have an additional 1000 strangers in town staying daily during these times. outlaying area population is about 500.

we have an A&W, Tim Hortons and Subway. plus assorted other eateries, pubs,  and a craft brewery.

ya we're really remote. roll eyes.

 

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Misfit Misfit's picture

An A&W, Tim Hortons, Subway, etc is not what defines remoteness. The Pas has all those things and it is remote.

6079_Smith_W

As I already said quizzical, perhaps you are right and these workers in your neighbourhood are the nicest kids anyone would want to meet.

Evidently that is not the case everywhere.

For that matter, some communities are opposing these camps for entirely different reasons. In the case of Fort McMurray it is because they would prefer the jobs go to local people:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/alberta-oil-town-fights-man-camps-in-effort-...

I don't actually consider Valemount remote. It is on a major route to the coast and there is a lot of traffic through there. I usually go through there once or twice a year myself. But I think getting bogged down on some of these words, or the kind of work being done is distracting from the real issue here - that bringing in outside transient workers has a connection to violence against Indigenous women. In the Fort St. James area that corrrelation - a 38 percent rise in sexual assault reports - was documented by the RCMP.

If there is a difference, perhaps it reflects the core of why the MMIWG Inquiry was set up - that people know they aren't going to get away with the same things in a nice tourist town.

 

quizzical

Misfit wrote:

An A&W, Tim Hortons, Subway, etc is not what defines remoteness. The Pas has all those things and it is remote.

The Pas has 5000+ people to support those franchises.

Smith maybe you're right it's because we aren't remote and we are a tourist  community.

i say it might be contributing factor but not a significant one.

again my anger here is not about the report nor am i denying it's findings. though i think it's out of date and not applicable to pipeliners.

it's about the bs Kanahus is spreading about Valemount in order to fund raise. 

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

Quiz,

i am from a small town of 1100, about the same size as Valemount, and it is not a tourist town either and we have a subway, an A&W, a Tim Horton’s and a Dairy Queen. That does not define what remoteness is. The size of the community is irrelevant.

quizzical

Misfit on a major hwy too i gather? 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

This is really getting into silly semantics. Remoteness is in the eye of the beholder. Valemount's tourists don't go there for the museums and art galleries they go there for the outdoors. They go there because if you walk or drive in most directions except on the Yellowhead highway running through the area you will quickly find yourselves in the wilderness.

Many if not most of the people that will be brought in to the camps going somewhere in along the North Fraser area will believe they are in a remote area because it will take hours to drive to anywhere that has more than a Tim's, a gas station and a licensed restaurant.

Misfit Misfit's picture

The closest centre is Prince George which is about a three hour drive away. I agree with Krop.

quizzical

the closest city is Hinton. 2hrs away. Jasper an hr.

http://www.valemount.ca/community-life

we have 2 museums krop. ;)

a thriving music scene. a community theater where we get actual name entertainment. 

5 gas stations. 6 motor inns. 3 motels. a hotel. 30 or so bnbs. 3 RV parks. a Italian pizzeria. a brewery that host a brewmasters festival where the 500 out of town tickets available sell out in 5mins.

we are hardly shy isolated people who are afraid because of our remoteness ffs.

we have 1000s of pipeliners and oil patch workers here during the winter. 

0 increase in crime.

not sure what it is you don't get when i say Kanahus is completely misrepresenting all things pertaining to Valemount.

Paladin1

In order to put to rest wether Quizzicals town is remote or not I reccomend a BBQ at her place and invite Rabble members

Misfit Misfit's picture

That would be awesome!

Pogo Pogo's picture

I am up for potato salad.

Mobo2000

Count me in - I'll bring 2 dozen devilled eggs.

Hurtin Albertan

I'd like to come, but every time I go camping these days it ends in a cocaine-fueled crime against humanity.

6079_Smith_W

Way closer to me than Toronto. I was through there on the Easter weekend.

And Hurtin, I come from the province right next door where white guys can shoot Indigenous people dead and walk, so spare me the false accusation nonsense. This ain't about our snowflake feelings.

Paladin1

Hurtin Albertan wrote:

I'd like to come, but every time I go camping these days it ends in a cocaine-fueled crime against humanity.

 

What about a pot-fueled game of Cards Against Humanity?

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