Sex Industry Association
my name is susan davis and i am a sex worker and testified in the charter challenge currently underway in Canada. we are hoping to establish and ethical and transparent system of self governance for the sex industry and to implement labour standards;
Canadian Adult Entertainment Commission
During the "Developing Capacity for Change Project" -Coop development work shops, workers expressed how a trade association and a branding or certification process could support safer work conditions over all and stabilize the existing safer indoor venues that exist now. The development of occupational health and safety training was also seen as a way to give people entering and in the sex industry the tools to make safe decisions about their work. It was agreed that all stake holders including business owners and consumers should be engaged to contribute to the design of the future of our industry.
Currently a charter challenge is underway to bring down the laws governing sex work. This action will only be successful if as an industry we can prove our ability to self govern and police ourselves. In the next 10 years we must agree to respect each other and treat each other with dignity. This will be an enormous task but an absolutely necessary one none the less. If we cannot demonstrate the ways in which we have traditionally maintained the stability of our industry, the system at large will most likely impose whatever laws it sees fit and we as an industry will be faced with another disaster.
With this in mind, the BCCEW/C set out to engage sex industry workers in beginning the process and determining whether or not there is industry support for such an action and what the structure of such an organization might look like.
The following actions and recommendations emerged as common themes from dialogue with all stakeholders including consumers, business owners and workers.
"Establish a consortium of sex industry stakeholders to develop an Industry Association and negotiate where there are areas of commonality. ie. violence, consumer theft, health and safety, and industry stability."
"Develop Standardized Health and Safety Training for Sex Industry Workers and consumers in partnership with ALL stakeholders including business owners."
"Develop and implement a certification process in partnership with all stakeholders to stabilize and promote sex industry businesses (inclusive of independent workers as businesses). Design an industry association seal or brand to distinguish those businesses that support and have received certification for the negotiated health and safety standards and training."
"Design a complaints process and penalty system in partnership with all stakeholders to provide a system of self governance and enforcement for the sex industry."
"Support the formation of craft unions or trade guilds for all aspects or jobs within the sex industry."
"Establish a system of communications between the sex industry and those agencies who have traditionally had the role of policing or monitoring the industry such as the police, license inspectors and social work/ support agencies to prevent misunderstandings about safety issues within the industry."
All over Canada, law enforcement seem to be stepping up attacks on our community. Raids in Halifax, Winnipeg, Grand Prairie, Ottawa and Vancouver have left the indoor escort and massage community shaken. 20 show lounges in Vancouver have closed since 1990 and neighbouring Coquitlam have just passed a by-law outlawing "sundry" or "undesirable" business including massage parlours and exotic show lounges.
We know historically how the elimination of employment choices and safe work environments has slowly but surely whittled away at the safety and stability of the sex industry and its workers. The lack of job opportunities caused by enforcement against us is forcing people to choose sex industry work outside of their comfort zone and contributing to increasing numbers of workers forced into the dangerous street level trade.
Recent raids also revealed another risk to our safety and I quote " It was like- bang crash- and I was on the ground...I looked up to see 5 guns pointed at my head, my husband also on the ground and my son....with a gun pointed at him". My friend expressed that she looked up at one young "rookie" officer and thought "this is the guy who is going to kill me..."
Police Services in Canada do not have a good record for showing restraint and our fear is a worker or business owner will be accidentally shot or killed during one of these enforcement actions. The emotional impacts of standard police procedures are immeasurable as well. Long terms effects of trauma on people are well documented and will no doubt play a role in the lives of affected business owners and workers.
In conversations with affected business owners and workers I described our industry association plans in an attempt to offer some hope. Many I spoke with were interested in joining...immediately...so I felt maybe we could push our plans forward just a little so workers and business owners in other parts of the country could begin to organize but with a unified thread/ set of goals/ vision.
So to begin BCCEC members decided to draft Terms of reference for a national industry association and present them to the sex industry community for scrutiny, concerns and editing.
700 people reviewed and contributed the terms of reference and BCCEC members have formalized what will be known for now as the Canadian Adult Entertainment Commission or CAEC.
It has been acknowledged these "Temporary/ Draft Terms of Reference" are an emergency measure intended to support workers and businesses who are under scrutiny and that and a far more detailed description of governance and conflict resolution will be necessary to attain our goal of self governance for the sex industry.
Terms of Reference for Canadian Adult Entertainment Commission
Draft 2009
Sex Industry Stakeholder- A person who has experience working within, providing services to, running a business in, or purchasing services/products from the sex industry.
These Terms of Reference were created to ensure localized organizing in various constituencies across Canada have a common set of goals and processes.
Vision/ Goals:
- To come together as an industry for the purpose of increased safety and stability for all stakeholders in the sex industry inclusive of workers, support workers, business owners, and consumers.
- To empower and unify sex industry communities inclusive of all genres and genders to increase the security and stability of the sex industry.
- To build community relationships, forge partnerships, identify and engage allies, and work with external expertise in pursuit of CAEC goals.
- To create a community where all sex industry stakeholders are respected and honoured for their experiences.
- To improve the occupational health, safety, and capacities of sex industry professionals as employees and contractors within a legitimized profession.
- To ensure consumers have access to resources, safely engage in sex industry consumption, can maintain discretion, are treated fairly, and have clear choices for ethical purchasing.
- To protect ethical business owners from arbitrary attacks upon their honour, reputation, and livelihood by law enforcement, former employees, and the system at large.
- To design a process in partnership with all stakeholders to provide a system of self-governance for the sex industry.
- To support the formation of craft unions, business improvement associations, consumer groups, and trade guilds, for businesses, consumers, and workers within the sex industry.
Guiding principles
- Work towards safety and respect for all sex industry stakeholders regardless of their location within the industry;
- Ensure the inclusion of diverse communities, perspectives, capacities and expertise from the sex industry;
- Promote progressive thought, forward thinking, and continual positive exchange for the empowerment and education of sex industry stakeholders and the community at large;
- Keep harm reduction frameworks at the forefront and work toward social justice and social change to increase quality of life for sex industry stakeholders.
Membership/composition:
- Members must be active or former sex industry stakeholders, inclusive of but not limited to; street level, bath houses, massage parlours, ads/ internet, dancers, adult film, off street, phone sex, web cam, customers, support staff and business owners.
- Organizations who provide services for, are run by, or have a vested interest in the sex industry may become members and represent a community of sex workers. The number of members an organization represents will be accepted by CAEC as true and each individual member of that local will have a vote.
- Members of an organization or local that is a CEAC member will also be expected to sign on to these terms of reference.
- Locals or organizations who are members of CAEC may define their own membership criteria but only individual members who have signed and accepted CEAC terms of reference may be included/ represented as voting members. Non sex industry stakeholders may NOT join or vote within CAEC
- Must be 19 years or over;
- Vouched for by another stakeholder;
- Members may use a pseudonym or working name on applications.
Confidentiality
- Events that happen at meetings stay at meetings.
- Project membership and personal information, identities of members, and their contact information must remain confidential.
- Industry association locals will hold personal information about members with the national body knowing only the number of members per local.
- The Canadian Adult Entertainment Commission (and its member groups/ locals) will hold this information in the strictest of confidentiality. No one shall be allowed access to this information unless they can prove a risk to the life or safety of a person. Each local will decide on a case-by-case basis if such a threat exists and if a person may be granted limited access to this information.
- Intellectual property and details about projects, strategies and plans are not to be shared with outside entities or individuals except when in the form of a communication strategy that has been designed and approved by the members of CAEC.
- Confidentiality extends even after leaving CAEC and must respect the sex industry stakeholders' rights of movement and the anonymity of those involved.
- Breach of confidentiality will lead to the immediate revocation of membership from CAEC.
- All existing and new members must sign a confidentiality agreement and sign on to the most current Terms of Reference.
please support transparency and accoutability in the sex industry!!
feel free to contact us with any questions or concerns
recent additions....
as a definition at beginning;
Regional Government Review Board- The sex industry is a matter of concern for all members of Canadian Society. To ensure transparency and accountability in the sex industry the CAEC propose the formation of a review committee to represent the interests of society at large. The CAEC feel that if representatives from criminal justice, health, government and a sex industry community member were to audit and monitor the activities of the CAEC, we will achieve transparency and accountability for within the sex industry.
under vision and goals
under confidentiailty
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They allege the women, one originally from China and two from Fiji, were lured to Edmonton from other Canadian cities with the promise of jobs as masseuses, but ended up being kept under lock and key and forced into prostitution.
It's the first time in Western Canada that anyone's been charged with human trafficking since the Criminal Code was amended in 2005 to make it a specific crime.
Just after midnight on Sept. 5, city police and RCMP raided Sachi Professional Massage and Spa, 17519 100 Ave. and a nearby apartment.
They arrested a man and a woman as they were leaving Sachi and found four more women inside. One was arrested and the other three were the alleged trafficking victims.
According to Edmonton police Det. Dave Schening, the alleged victims, who spoke almost no English, were terrified.
"There were a lot of tears and initial reluctance to talk with police," he said. By using interpreters, Schening was "able to assure them that they were the victims and they weren't in trouble."
He said the women's identification was taken from them by their captors, and the women were threatened that if they didn't do as they were told, their families would be told that they were prostitutes.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/columnists/andrew_hanon/2009/09/11/10834...
How does that relate to the topic of this thread? I'm not saying it doesn't - I'm just wondering what we're supposed to take from that, in relation to Susan's project.
Susan's contention that a decriminalized and co-operative sex worker action could/would assist against slavery prostitution, is perhaps worth exploring so that this type of thing does not occur. If there is one there has to be many many more.
I am not suggesting that it would stop it, but it would certainly cut down on the ability for this type of action to occur, IMV.
Why would people go a illegal source, if they could go to a legal one? Especially if there were criminal charges laid for those John's who attend an illegal setting.
Janice Raymond addressed this in a Parliamentary subcommitee here (at 1740). Where prostitution is decriminalized, johns go to illegal sources because they are more numerous, cheaper (enslaved women, lower standards), but mostly because police stop laying charges - even against pimps and johns in illegal operations - as part of the general decriminalization ethos.
I can see that too martin, but I was thinking that there needs to be strict enforcement of labour codes, unionization, and heavy hitting laws against illegal activities. Just because it happened elsewhere does not mean that it has to happen here. We can use their failings to make our system better.
We seriously cannot go on the way we are. Too many women are in danger, and their work needs to be recognized as legal and they need to be protected. Keeping prostitution illegal, in essence, has not done a fucking thing to stop it. Nor will it.
I have been thinking long and carefully about this for many years. And have waivered back and forth on the matter many times over, much more so than any other issue actually.
If people can choose to lease their bodies, at any other type of work, so can people choose to lease their bodies for sexual work. They have a right to be protected and covered by the social safety net, as are all other workers.
Janice Raymond addressed this in a Parliamentary subcommitee here (at 1740). Where prostitution is decriminalized, johns go to illegal sources because they are more numerous, cheaper (enslaved women, lower standards), but mostly because police stop laying charges - even against pimps and johns in illegal operations - as part of the general decriminalization ethos.
Well, martin lack of police enforcement of the law is seperate issue that should be tackled. "The general decriminalization ethos" does not include ignoring written laws. Prohibition of alcohol has ended, but does that mean police ignore underage drinking or drunk driving? Police are also horribly negligent in terms issues involving rape and violence against women in other areas. This fits in with that and the general devaluation of women by our justice system. It should be tied to decriminalization of prostitution. Women (and all human beings) should have the right to own their bodies and consent (as adults) to do what they wish with them.
Treating an industry where the majority of women are coerced to give up their sexual freedom by physical or economic violence as "women doing what they wish with their bodies" is a neo-liberal illusion that obscures the people that have real control over this business: traffickers, pimps, johns and their accomplices in government and in the media. It's easy enough to appeal to principles that should apply in order to wash one's hands of the reality of the most impoverished and marginalized of women. I just think we can do better than hope for better brothels from a "self-regulating" industry.
Chances: The Women of Magdalene (a film by Tom Neff): "The innovative Magdalene Program, takes drug addicted prostitutes off the street and transforms them into vibrant, involved, self-reliant members of society."
wow martin, you just won't listen.....i and my compatriates are not trafficked and pimped and your assertions of organized crime control are not based in reality. please, if you are going to argue points at least back up your assumptions in researc findings. assumptions like yours are killing us.
i agree remind, we could identify exploititive businesses alot mre easily in a decrim environment.
Your paraphrase is misleading: What I wrote about prostitution was that "the majority of women are coerced to give up their sexual freedom by physical or economic violence". And you have yet to back up your suggestion that this is false or that your organization represents in any way that majority of women when it promotes decriminalizing pimping; it is easy enough to diss my voice but it seems to me that many women, includng many formerly prostituted women, have challenged your lobby on those grounds.
martin, those many women are welcome to post on this board, as is susan. Please stop speaking for them.
Your agressiveness here (and elsewhere with susan) is creeping me out.
Why would people go a illegal source, if they could go to a legal one? Especially if there were criminal charges laid for those John's who attend an illegal setting.
Precisely because it is illegal. The best cigarettes I have of the day are the ones I sneak inside the plant where it's illegal. And, when it comes to my sexual peccadillos, it pisses me off when I see them presented (not mine, personally, but the genre's-- don't you wish!) in anyway approaching mainstream.
It strikes me that we have to make the kind of prostitution Susan engages in into a profession, complete with a degree, a college, and certification.
That way, the police would be very interested in policing those who practice outside the boundries, just like I can't call myself a doctor, a lawyer or even psychologist. (!?)
However, then the prices would go up, and I'd have to put Susan into the same catagory as lawyers and such, who are allways screwing the working guy.
um.... you know what I mean.
At least sex work can't - as of yet - be outsourced to India.
The working guy. The working guy. The working guy.
Think this is it for me and babble.
Have fun, boys.
Hmmm, interesting, I would never consider a snuck smoke, as being more pleasurable than just having one. I would be too paranoid of getting caught to enjoy it.
Nor would I care if my hidden pleasures become mainstream. That is if I had any. ;)
Is this broadly a male thing or, something, that has no sex lines, and is just sub set of people types?
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Susan, the girls rescued last night in Edmonton, as noted in the article most definitely were being pimped, and they were being forced, in the extreme, to do so.
Now is this typical for "massage parlours"? I ask because you have stated that this type of business owner would have a seat at the table. I disagree with the notion that they should be. Either the workers are independant, and have to be able to prove so, or they belong to a unionized busines.
Thus, I would be personally in favour of it being completely regulated by the existing governing bodies, such as those who look after labour rights, health board certification and regulation, and other "plant inspectors" so to speak.
And there would have to be penalities for johns who try and frequent illegal operations, perhaps of a criminal nature after so many charges of other types.
And for those who were working under the table, well income tax could become involved, as well as breach of health regulations.
Hope you mean this thread writer, or for just today.
Hmmm, interesting, I would never consider a snuck smoke, as being more pleasurable than just having one. I would be too paranoid of getting caught to enjoy it.
Nor would I care if my hidden pleasures become mainstream. That is if I had any. ;)
Is this broadly a male thing or, something, that has no sex lines, and is just sub set of people types?
I don't know about it being a broadly male thing; I suspect it's even across gender lines but the way it's expressed is different, generally from one gender to another. But it's a phenomenon. Some people like to play with the taboo. That's why legalization/regulation isn't a panacea.
Sory, I do not accept the legalization/regulation isn't panacea excuse to not do something.
We could apply that to anything and everything then too. No work place regulations, for example, as people will just break them, does not wash.
Oh, I've never suggested it was an excuse to do nothing. When we talked about this before, that's what I said. Clearly, something has to be done, and Susan's approach, or variants of it, is the way to go.
But it doesn't solve everything, and it's not going to end street prostitution and the sexual exploitation of women overnight.
Clearly, changes to our drug laws and health care treatment for substance abuse figures largely into this.
And, there has to be a change in the way we think about our sexuality, with heavy and particular emphasis on the way men connect power and control with sex, and how easily they rationalize to their convenience interpretations of consent.
oops, double post!!lol
no, it is not typical but is becoming more so as destabilization continues. i too am not in support of abusive practicies or exploitation of any person and you seem to capture our intentions as far as our industry association, we want labour rights, health, free choice to exit no forced sex work, as well as penalties for those operating outiside of what is accepted as ethical by all canadians. as a society we can negoatiate terms of ethics and minimum labour standards together and ensure workers are not exploited
it is percisely incidents like described in edmonton that require us to begin to work towards transparency and accountability in the sex industry. power to workers, tools to make safe decisions, accountability for businesses exploiting people and consumers supporting those businesses. sounds awesome!!
Fantastic, we agree then, on most things in this respect.
Though I do not believe the sex industry should regulate itself, in any way shape or form.
i understand, we are also suspicious of mainstream community. we must find common ground and find a balanced approach that ensures inclusion of sex workers in any discussions or decisions that could impact our safety. we must embrace an inclusive process to ensure mistakes and over sights of the past are not repeated. only by including all perpsectives will we create an environment of protection for workers. i also am in agreement about government bodies regulating as is done in other industries, i just feel we as an industry must also take part in stabilization and accountability. i say self regulate, but i guess i mean in partnership with government. we don't want special treatment different from other industries, we just want equal treatment and safety at work.
Why would people go a illegal source, if they could go to a legal one? Especially if there were criminal charges laid for those John's who attend an illegal setting.
Precisely because it is illegal. The best cigarettes I have of the day are the ones I sneak inside the plant where it's illegal. And, when it comes to my sexual peccadillos, it pisses me off when I see them presented (not mine, personally, but the genre's-- don't you wish!) in anyway approaching mainstream.
It strikes me that we have to make the kind of prostitution Susan engages in into a profession, complete with a degree, a college, and certification.
That way, the police would be very interested in policing those who practice outside the boundries, just like I can't call myself a doctor, a lawyer or even psychologist. (!?)
However, then the prices would go up, and I'd have to put Susan into the same catagory as lawyers and such, who are allways screwing the working guy.
um.... you know what I mean.
love it!!!! i am blue collar all the way !!!!
Though I do not believe the sex industry should regulate itself, in any way shape or form.
I was being flipant, I'm not in favour of any "self regulating" professional body-- on any issue, it's a given.
susan how I visualize it could be implimented, would be something like this:
Members from the industry, and not pimps and john's, would sit on advisory boards created for each segment of regulatory bodies. This ALL would be only for the transitional time of creating the industry, of course.
Legitimate business owners, could participate in the labour advisory segments, but there would be 1 or 2 representatives only, from a group of said business owners. (They would have to form their own group and decide upon representatives)
No workers from the same business, as an owner who sits on any said advisory body, could sit on the advisory panel. preferabley they would even be from a different area of serice provision and/or local.
John's do not need any inclusion, however, that said, I would like to see representatives from the mental health provision industry to sit in all boards, for 2 reasons.
1. To ensure there is a legal space made those with mental health conditions that require care givers, so that sexual service provision becomes a part of accepted future care plans, in a team effort with sexual service providers. They could be a separate branch off group that could develop pilot programs and policies, and take back to the main board for tweaking and implimentation of recommendations.
2. Separate mental health care individual(s) would monitor persons and actions within said advisory groups. May it be from the official side, or the service provision side. The whole situation needs to be monitored for sensitivity within any interpersonal actions framework.
Of course there would be more needed but it would be a start.
all great ideas!!!i would suggest also, disabled men/consumers being represented. to ensure incusion for infirmed patrons and future sexual service provision as a care plan...i have met many disabled men in my career. your ideas reflect reasons why we must work together and share ideas to ensure all aspects are covered.
Just a reminder that we have had other opinions from the sex industry post here on Babble before.
XPALSS
Ex-Prostitutes Against Legislated Sexual Servitude
As women who have been prostituted in Vancouver and in the light of these facts:
* That current discourse on prostitution would have the public believe that it is normal work that simply needs to be better regulated
* That there is currently a proposal to open a legal brothel in Vancouver
* That this proposal is said to speak for current and former prostitutes of Vancouver
* That this proposal promises to make the lives of prostituted women "safer" at best
* That none of us have ever met a prostituted woman who would not leave the "trade" if she had a real chance to do so
* That we are women who have been abused on Canadian soil, by Canadian men while all levels of our Government did nothing to intervene.
* That some members of parliament are now advocating to legalize that abuse.
Why prostitution, the world's oldest oppression, must be stamped out
The reality is jas, it is not going to be stamped out any thime soon. Society has to make way huge changes before it ever would just dwindle away from non-use. Well men's thinking actually.
Thus it is incumbent upon us, to make it as safe as possible, of a work line pursuit.
as i stated in vancouver we are not moving forward yet on our brothel and we do already have many legal brothels....why are workers in DTES not deemed worthy of a toilette to use on shift, a place to wash after entertaining a client and a safe place to work is beyind me.
i do support and respect expals and believe all sex workers voice and experence must be honored. exploitation in all forms must be irradicated. that said, expals do not make room for my voice and refuse to accept experiences of workers who find sex work rewarding. excluding any perspective is a recipe for disaster. i would welcome groups like expals input to our future as it is our sincere wish to ensure no workers are forced or harmed. their experiences are vital to identifying gaps and ways people exploit us.
i have met members of expals and so they actually have met a sex worker who has had opportunities to exit but chose to do this work. it feels as if they do not honor my experience or any of the workers i represent, which actually is quite alot. 700 people for instance reviewed CAEC terms of reference, how many sex workers contributed to the statements above?
i support ALL perspectives of our industry and hope one day groups like expals will accept i have a voice as well.
susan, I want to thank you, again, for your words and for sharing your experiences with the folks here on babble.
i am greatful for the opportunity! thanks maysie and everyone!
Think this is it for me and babble.
Have fun, boys.
Please come back.
I note Susan herself liked Tommy's post.
Me too. Just because most men don't try to comment on a thread like this doesn't mean we're not reading.
cool wilf! tanxbabe!
susie
I think that given the existing information we have about the results of the legalization of sex work it's incredibly sad to see it promoted here. Laws are not designed for the individual they are designed to protect the population as a whole.
It has been illustrated that legalization of sex work results in increased trafficking of women and children and no reduction in harm because the illegal sex worker industry explodes. Sex workers report increased pressure to not use condoms and there is downward pressure on their fees. It results in an increased objectification of women. It attracts sex tourism. I shudder at the thought of Montreal full of horney men looking for prostitutes.
martin, those many women are welcome to post on this board, as is susan. Please stop speaking for them.
Your agressiveness here (and elsewhere with susan) is creeping me out.
His agressiveness? All he has done is provided information with links to back up that debunk some of the claims being made by Susan.
I think that given the existing information we have about the results of the legalization of sex work it's incredibly sad to see it promoted here. Laws are not designed for the individual they are designed to protect the population as a whole.
It has been illustrated that legalization of sex work results in increased trafficking of women and children and no reduction in harm because the illegal sex worker industry explodes. Sex workers report increased pressure to not use condoms and there is downward pressure on their fees. It results in an increased objectification of women. It attracts sex tourism. I shudder at the thought of Montreal full of horney men looking for prostitutes.
not true, no marked increase in trafficking and exploitation occured in ustralia or new zealand. average age of sex workers in australia is 32 years old. please, provide research ethics board reviewed data or government documents as per canadian government policy. nowhere does legitimate data suggest this.
http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html
Frequently Asked Questions About Prostitution.
Answered by S.M. Berg
•Q. Isn’t prostitution mostly a choice?
A. When prostituted women are asked if they want to leave prostitution, consistently around 90% say they want out immediately but the decision is out of their hands and in the hands of their pimps, their husbands, their landlords, their addictions, their children's bellies. A recent study of street prostitutes in Toronto found that about 90% wanted to leave but could not, and a 5-country study found 92% wanted out of prostitution. If they are there because they cannot leave, they are not choosing to be there.
If prostitution were really a choice it would not be those populations with the least amount of choices available to them far disproportionately pushed into it. If prostitution were a choice there would no billion-dollar black market trade in coerced, tricked, kidnapped and enslaved people known as human trafficking.
Q. Sex is a powerful commodity.
A.Tulips were once considered a powerful commodity, which is to say what men place value on is up to men’s subjectivity and not a human universal. The same was said about trading black flesh once, and it was proven incorrect. We're not talking about 'commodities to be traded' but human beings. In prostitution it is not sex that is sold, it is power over women.
Q. Men will treat prostitutes better if it is legalized
This has not borne itself out in legalization trials in Australia, the Netherlands and Germany.
All attempts to lessen the harms of prostitution have failed because men have not lessened their debasement of female sexuality and propensity to commit gendered violence in any significant way. There are plenty of medical records, police records and personal testimonies to substantiate men's violence towards females in places where prostitution has been legalized. Where prostitution thrives the value of women's lives is low and the gendered violence they suffer has not decreased. In fact, the legalized province of Victoria, Australia has both the country’s highest domestic violence rates and child prostitution rates.
In theory it sounds good to say sane, reasonable people should have the right to sell a kidney for $500 or more if they choose to. But opening the door to body organ selling would not lead to nearly as many middle class American white men selling organs as other populations whose social circumstances can't seriously be said to allow a free, uncoerced choice, and it would open the door for 'brokers' who exploit poor people. I'm glad we are willing to sacrifice the theoretical capitalistic rights of a very few possible body organ sellers for the greater benefit of preventing widespread exploitation of less privileged people.
Q. Hasn’t prohibition been shown to fail?
A. Depends on what you’re prohibiting. We as a culture prohibit child porn, and it’s true there that prohibition doesn’t work, but that doesn’t mean the only other option is legalization.
When we stop focusing all attention on whether or not poverty-stricken teenage girls with abusive histories really want to be whores and begin asking why so many men are unbelievably, horrifically violent towards prostituted people then we'll get to the place Sweden is at, the place that stops blaming young females for creating their own rape, torture and captivity and recognizes that without men's demand for bodies to abuse there would be no supply of bodies to abuse.
Q. Prostitution is the world’s oldest profession and will always exist.
A. Prostitution is not the oldest profession, slave trading is, men selling or trading female bodies amongst each other for profit. Saying prostitution is the oldest profession makes it sound like women, the prostitutes, have always been the cunning and seductive initiators wielding their mighty sexual power over defenseless men like powerful vampiresses of the night. That's the misogynist lie men have always wanted promoted because it absolves them of responsibility for what they do to children and women and makes them look like the victims of women’s seductive wiles.
Q. Shouldn’t prostitution be legalized and thought of as a normal job?
A. I don't believe that will never happen, and for good reason. There's no reason to believe there will be a day when being naked won't make people feel vulnerable and exposed. It's a universal human experience of being naked to feel more vulnerable than having clothes on (there is no human society that doesn't have clothing of a sorts), and it is inherent in having a piece of someone else's body penetrate another body to feel what thousands of prostitutes interviewed say they feel: like a human toilet, like they are being raped over and over again.
Contrary to what pro-prostitution advocates claim, the worst thing prostitutes face is not social stigma, it is rape, strangulation, beatings, burnings and other violence from johns and pimps (pimps being the party johns pay to outsource the violence necessary to keep prostitutes obedient.)
The Swedish model decriminalizing victims and putting the emphasis for change on prostitute-using men is the way to go because men should not have a right to sex on demand and it is the belief they are entitled to sex on demand that fuels prostitution, rape, street harassment, workplace sex harassment, anti-choice dogma, and every other gendered ill that makes up what we call “sexism.”
Q. Why pretend prostitution isn’t a part of everyday life?
A. I don't see anyone pretending our culture isn’t saturated with the selling of female bodies, especially not the social workers and researchers trying to find solutions to the misery. When I hear people talk of legalizing it, I see a whole lot of pretending the misogyny and abuse intrinsic to the act of prostitution can somehow be wished away if only more laws making rape and assault more illegal than they already are get passed. It can't, as Sweden's own decades-long experiment with decriminalized prostitution demonstrated.
Q. Don't a lot of women enjoy it?
A. There is no research or collected evidence supporting this claim. When proponents of legalization talk about legitimizing prostitution they talk a lot about theory and rights and ethics, but they don't let prostitutes themselves speak what they want. A 5-country study of prostitutes found 92% wanted help getting out of prostitution immediately. 100% said they didn't want anyone they loved to ever have to prostitute their bodies for survival.
In Germany the service union ver.di offered union membership to Germany's estimated 400,000 sex workers. They would be entitled to health care, legal aid, thirty paid holiday days a year, a five-day workweek, and Christmas and holiday bonuses.
Out of 400,000 sex workers, only 100 joined the union. That's .00025% of German sex workers. Women don't want to be prostitutes.
There is no sensible feminist reason to ignore the 92% of prostitutes who do not consider it work but slavery in favor of the 8% minority, especially when doing so only affirms the rape culture that affirms men’s entitlement to use women’s bodies any way they desire, any time they want it.
Q. Do you think prostitutes should be arrested?
A. Absolutely not, since I don’t believe being desperately poor and/or abused is a crime. But johns, pimps and other sexual predators need to stop their criminally abusive behaviors and asking them nicely hasn’t been working. Sweden has had great success criminalizing sexual predation while attempting to assist people in getting out of ‘the life’.
Q. But people need sex and some have no other way to get it than from prostitutes.
A. No one ‘needs’ sex like they need food, water and air, and no one has the right to purchase access to another person’s reproductive organs in order to masturbate themselves.
Sex is fun, and it feels good, and it is widely available to anyone who treats others respectably with kindness and asks. Buying prostitutes is less about sexual gratification than power gratification, because in an exchange of equal partners there is always the risk of disagreement and the need for compromise. 85% of American johns have regular female sexual partners and 60% are married men.
Q. But you agree porn and stripping aren’t prostitution, right?
A. Of course they are. If getting paid to perform sex acts is prostitution, using a camera to record people getting paid to perform sex acts is recording prostitution. It is comforting for people to call porn performers ‘porn actresses’ to distance themselves emotionally from the truth that they pay a third party for recording of prostitutes being prostituted, but porn actresses have a lot more in common with other prostitutes than with other actresses, such as poverty, a history of child sex abuse and drug addictions.
Strip clubs, porn, Hooters, mail order brides, and other “sex work” are the prostitution of female sexuality for male consumption. In one study, 100% of strippers interviewed said they had been propositioned as prostitutes by strip club patrons, so if you don't think strippers are prostitutes please recognize that your opinion differs greatly from that of men who spend their money to make women submit themselves sexually in strip clubs.
Q. Can’t prostitution be made medically safer with regulations?
A. Sometimes more safe is still not safe enough. Unless prostituted women are sterilized they can expect to get pregnant and must have repeated abortions. Neither the option of sterilization nor submission to repeated abortions is acceptable, and humans have not yet figured out a 100% effective method of containing the spread of deadly STDs.
I'm much more concerned about preventing rape, battery, burnings. etc. than I am in wondering how to patch women up after men torture them. When doctors, police, priests, NATO soldiers and refugee working men use their position of power to prey upon vulnerable and traumatized populations, as many prostituted people have reported, regulating prostitution is really about men organizing to provide other men easy access to disease-free bodies and not about the welfare of women's health and well being.
Q. If you try to stop prostitution, won’t it just go underground
A. This is extortion. It assumes that men currently abuse, torture and rape prostitutes in horribly high numbers and if feminists don't agree to provide clean bodies for men’s sexual self-gratification, their entertainment, then johns are gonna really beat the living shit out of prostitutes and it will be feminist's fault they did it.
Basing public policy measures on the extortionist threat of increased violence in an already very violent environment is no way for a civil society to operate. Also, legalization has not only not stopped the violence prostituted people face, it has actually made it harder for victims to 'prove' they were forced and increased the number of people involved with the sex industry overall, hence expanding the number of people affected without stopping the violence.
I am not persuaded that being fucked by men and having men squirt ejaculate onto and into a woman's body should be normalized as a "profession" and good-enough work for poor women based on threats of worse violence and violations. Prostitutes are already at the bottom of the social totem pole, more raped, killed, exploited and reviled than any group of women. Brothels are rape rooms and the daily systematized atrocities happening in them right now are compelling enough to take action stopping them.
Q. What about women like Annie Sprinkle, Nina Hartley, etc. who say they enjoy being prostitutes?
A. As with antiwar leaders, many former prostitutes (Andrea Dworkin, Norma Hotaling, Kelly Holsopple, Carol Smith, Anne Bissell) are themselves survivors of the commercial sex industry.
That a few paid prostitutes have learned to profit from advocating the legalization of prostitution does not hold water next to the responses of the overwhelming number of prostitutes without columns in porn magazines, book deals, their own websites, nationwide tours and scheduled appearances on the talk show circuit booked by an agent who negotiates speaking fees. Some leading "pro-sex work" advocates of legalized prostitution such as Robyn Few, Norma Jean Almodovar and Margo St. James have been convicted on pimping charges though they continue to present themselves as common prostitutes and not bigger players in organizing crimes against prostituted women. Sex worker rights leader Carol Leigh, aka Scarlot Harlot, has said herself in a 2004 debate, "95% of my friends want out of prostitution."
Don’t you think tons of studies on legalization have been done by all sorts of parties? If the wealthy pimps, pornographers and governments who want legalization and taxation had solid information proving that legalization has met its stated goals, why wouldn’t they spread that information across the Earth? Hugh Hefner would probably make a centerfold out of such "women like it and it's healthy" research.
If you know of a piece of quality research where a majority of prostitutes responded that they enjoyed being sexually used by several men a day, day after day, please present it to me. I have read a lot about this and I have never seen any evidence to support that prostitutes enjoy their job (paid celebrity spokeswomen for the billion dollar multinational sex industry aside.)
Q. Aren’t you making personal moral judgments about prostitution and pushing them on others?
A. While the inherent intimacy of the nature of sexual acts is often a part of some people’s belief that sexuality is unique to personal identity and possibly even sacred, most of what I've seen is research focused on the harm done to prostituted people. In other words, I'm not against legalizing prostitution because I'm uncomfortable morally with selling sex or have questions about my own sexuality, I am against legalizing prostitution because I have seen how it destroys health, hope, communities, and many, many lives.
Q. Isn’t it better to make lots of money as a prostitute than working a minmum wage McJob?
A. Prostitution is "work" unlike any other, which is why I have come to see it as the Swedish do, as institutionalized sexual oppression instead of work. There is no other "job" where a person is expected to have their bodies penetrated repeatedly and exposed to contagion-carrying human fluids. There is no other "job" where a 13-year-old with zero experience can be sold for 100 times the price what a 23-year-old with ten years experience is sold. There is no other "job" an emaciated homeless person strung out on heroin can do (or, more accurately, have done to them) as they're lying limp on the floor.
What has happened in the Netherlands is johns seek out the most dejected and desperate women (and children) to sexually prey on because their powerlessness and addictions make them more willing to do violent, unsafe acts of prostitution for less money. The relatively small number of Dutch-born sex workers complain of being undercut by drug addicted and severly abused women and "prosti-tots" (pimp joke) offering sex for their next fix.
Q. Men prostitute too so it’s not just about women
A. Prisons develop systems of prostitution (not surprising since prostitution is big $$$ among gang members not in jail), and there is a specific loss of power, prestige, self-determination and spirit among men who are pimped and tricked. Men who get fucked are treated much differently than men who do the fucking, and no one is treated better than the pimp.
Q. Legalizing prostitution is part of a wider campaign of sexual liberation
A. Liberation for who is the underlying question. What is it about sex and women that lowers a woman's perceived cultural value if she has sex even without money or forcibly as in cases of rape? Changing the cultural connection that makes women engaging in sex (paid for, raped, or consensual) worth-less, low class sluts needs to be changed before legalization can be honestly considered.
There is the unfortunate neoliberal misconception that free markets are the best kind, that the economic marketplace can regulate itself through the cause and effects of competition, supply and demand. Ask yourself if Wal-mart is really the world’s largest private employer because they are “better” than other companies. In light of the evident failures of free marketism to produce diverse, consumer-driven and fair business practices, how well should the free marketplace of ideas fare under the same laissez faire system? Why wouldn’t we expect the same opportunistic consolidations, money equals the right to speech, more powerful exploiting the less powerful?
Q. Why can’t you see johns/tricks who pay for prostitutes as just customers of sexual services?
A. The man with the money has all the power, not the moneyless prostitute. It's impossible to say men spend their money to create the exact sexee scenario they desire and this means prostitutes have the power to dictate what will happen, how far it will go, and all other aspects of the fantasy the customer is paying for. Not only is it impossible for the money-holding man to transfer his inherent greater power in a fantasy of his own making, it is emphatically not what prostitutes say happens. Johns are the demand that keeps the prostituted bodies moving, and the economic model is "demand creates supply."
Johns do not go out of their way to forcibly abduct women, get them hooked on drugs, take total control of their lives, or in any other way trap them in the sex trade because they don't have to. The pimps do it for them. They don't trap their prey, they are like vultures who prey on the down and out, who pay specifically for their victims to be down and out. Johns have sex with someone who is being held captive because of the expectation (an expectation rooted in reality) that they will pay good money for it, then they say it is not their fault because they weren't the one holding them down.
martin, those many women are welcome to post on this board, as is susan. Please stop speaking for them.
Your agressiveness here (and elsewhere with susan) is creeping me out.
His agressiveness? All he has done is provided information with links to back up that debunk some of the claims being made by Susan.
martins choices to use language he knows upsets me and to provide no legitimate or REB reviewed backup is a bit aggressive. i am an active sex worker and expals are not. i respect some workers are exploited in my industry but not 85% or whatever number is being promoted now.i respect martin's right to hisopinion but would like to point out...martin is not a sex worker and has never had to risk his life for food or shelter. refusing to acknowlegde what researchers and governments all over the world are coming to understand based on morale issues is killing us. expals promote one experience, theirs and ask the world to paint us all with the same brush. i am not a victim, my cohorts are not victims and we are tired of these myths about our lives being perpetuated to forward some political or morale goal of abolition. we must as a society begin to move away from punishment and towards protection.
wow, what a long hate filled thread.....i am not going to go around this merry go round again. your interview is from rape relief ...copied and pasted....and is not reflective of all sex workers experiences. only experiences of workers experiencing violence or exploitation. never do groups like these include empowered workers and so so not reflect true numbers and ratio's of workers to violence. please consider supporting rights for workers.
not true, no marked increase in trafficking and exploitation occured in ustralia or new zealand. average age of sex workers in australia is 32 years old. please, provide research ethics board reviewed data or government documents as per canadian government policy. nowhere does legitimate data suggest this.
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/austral.htm
There are 3,000 children, some younger than 10, in the Australian sex industry, which includes brothels, escort work, street prostitution, pornography, sex for favors and stripping. (EPCAT report, Agence France-Presse, 13 April 1998)
59 of 2,992 prostitutes studied for a report conducted by EPCAT were between 10 and 12 years old. 15 were under 10 years old. Two-thirds were girls. (EPCAT report, Agence France-Presse, 13 April 1998)
Child prostitution in Australia was studied by ECPAT, which collected information from early 471 government and non-government agencies working with children. The study, the first of its kind, revealed a vicious cycle leading to child commercial sexual activities. Links were found between young people being sold and youth homelessness, dysfunctional family backgrounds and lack of self-esteem. The government and public should act immediately to provide housing, income security, education and advice to young people. Children are also sold to sex tourists. Parents have been found to sell their own children.
* More than 1200 Victorian children are involved in prostitution - the highest rate in the nation.
* 320 Queensland children were involved in child prostitution.
* More than 3100 Australian children aged 12-18 sold sex to survive.
* Children younger than 10 were involved in organized pedophile rings.
* Child pornography was not limited to the inner cities but was increasing in rural and regional areas.
The main reasons children were sold for sex were for accommodation, food, alcohol, clothes and drugs. (Sarah Hudson, "Child sex soaring," Herald Sun, 30 September 1998) and ("Children, 10, swapping sex for groceries, drugs," Courier Mail, 30 September 1998)
wow, what a long hate filled thread.....i am not going to go around this merry go round again. your interview is from rape relief ...copied and pasted....and is not reflective of all sex workers experiences. only experiences of workers experiencing violence or exploitation. never do groups like these include empowered workers and so so not reflect true numbers and ratio's of workers to violence. please consider supporting rights for workers.
Just because people disagree with you it doesn't make the thread "hate-filled". Seeing as this is an important issue for you don't have a list of links that back up your claims. While that site was a rape relief it doesn't mean their information is inaccurate.
A recent study of street prostitutes in Toronto found that about 90% wanted to leave but could not, and a 5-country study found 92% wanted out of prostitution.
Not just rape victims, prostitutes in general. Even if those studies were somehow skewed those are still extreme numbers.
The other information I used was from a university site.
Ten years ago, Australia made a risky policy move it thought would help protect women and children: it legalized prostitution. Today, only 10% of the prostitution industry operates in Australia's legal brothels. The other 90% takes place in underground, illegal sex markets thick with forced prostitution and human trafficking victims.
http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/legal_prostitution_in_austr...
The University of Queensland Working Group on Human Trafficking recently released a report stating that the prostitution laws in Australia had failed. Since 1999, women in Australia have had the option of working legally in licensed brothels or on their own. The hope was that women with an entrepreneurial spirit and a passion for commercial sex would set up their own businesses, and make everything safe, legal, and regulated. That hasn't happened.
so you, like martin refuse to acknowledge government of canada findings?
Overview of Different Legislative Approaches
http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb0329-e.htm
Each of the countries and states examined in this paper relies on a variation of one of the following five approaches to prostitution:
Prohibitionism seeks to eliminate prostitution by criminalizing all aspects of the prostitution trade. Under this approach, prostitution is seen as a violation of human dignity. Criminal law and effective law enforcement are viewed as critical tools in reducing the number of individuals involved in prostitution.
Decriminalization implies the repeal of prostitution-related criminal law. In Canada, decriminalization would involve repealing all criminal law relating to prostitution, including communicating for the purposes of prostitution, operating a bawdy house and/or brothel, and living off the avails of prostitution.
Legalization refers to the regulation of prostitution through criminal law or some other type of legislation. This approach treats prostitution as a legal occupation, but nevertheless controls it by a set of rules that govern who can work and under what circumstances they may do so. Typically, governments that have adopted the legalization approach regulate the trade through work permits, licensing and/or tolerance zones.
Abolitionism is often described as the middle ground between prohibitionism and legalization. Advocates of this approach maintain that even though prostitutes may choose to enter the trade, it is nevertheless immoral. They believe that governments must take the necessary steps to allow prostitution to take place only as long as it does not infringe on public safety and order. Generally, abolitionists call for the criminalization of public solicitation.
Neo-abolitionism holds that prostitution violates a person's human rights. Advocates maintain that there is no such thing as free choice in this matter - prostitution in all its forms constitutes the sale and consumption of human bodies. While neo-abolitionists call for the decriminalization of prostitutes themselves, they encourage governments to criminalize the activities of procurers and customers.
AustraliaResponsibility for criminal legislation in Australia falls primarily on individual states. States may take very different approaches towards the management and regulation of prostitution, as exemplified by the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) and the state of Victoria.
A. Australian Capital Territory (Decriminalization With Controls)In 1992, the ACT adopted the Prostitution Act, aimed at managing the worst effects of the prostitution industry. (6) While the Prostitution Act decriminalizes prostitution in private spaces, it nevertheless sets up a series of regulations designed to protect sex workers and the public at large. Its goals are to:
Unlike most other Australian states (such as Victoria), the ACT does not license prostitutes, brothels, or escort agencies. Rather, it requires members of the prostitution industry to register with the Registrar of Brothels and Escort Agencies. Registration is not difficult, nor is it a particularly lengthy process. Every year, individuals who wish to register themselves or their businesses must provide their contact information to the Registrar and pay a small fee. According to the government of the ACT, registration is preferable to licensing because of its ease and efficiency. (7)
By all accounts, the registration system appears to be meeting its goals. While the ACT (like many other Australian states) continues to prohibit street solicitation, very little of it seems to occur in practice. As Sullivan points out, "this is probably because other employment opportunities in the sex industry are readily accessible." (8) Moreover, due to the relative straightforwardness of the registration process, there appear to be very few illegal brothels and escort agencies.
Until 2002, the Registrar of Brothels and Escort Agencies did not have the authority to deny registration to any prospective owners of such establishments. Critics charged that the ACT allowed "undesirables" to enter the prostitution industry, particularly those who had been involved in criminal activity. (9) As a result, the government introduced an amendment to the Prostitution Act in 2002, requiring employers and operators to submit to a criminal background check. Any individual convicted of a "disqualifying offence" is currently not permitted to own or operate a brothel or escort agency. The "disqualifying offences" listed in the schedules of the Prostitution Act include assault, murder, sexual assault and involvement in child pornography and exploitation. (10)
Another key objective of the Prostitution Act is to safeguard the health of persons involved in prostitution and the community at large. The Act includes several provisions designed to stem the transmission of HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Prostitutes employed in brothels and escort agencies must undergo mandatory STD testing. Those infected with an STD are prohibited from providing sexual services, and owners and managers of brothels and escort agencies must not allow an employee to work if that person is infected.
While some critics have denounced compulsory medical testing, many have applauded the government's attempt to make all parties responsible for preventing STD transmission. (11) Rather than targeting just the person selling sexual services, the Prostitution Act makes it illegal for anyone to "provide or receive commercial sexual services" knowing that they are infected with an STD. Consequently, sex workers are believed to be in a better position to resist pressure from their clients (and/or their employers) not to use a condom. (12)
The Sexual Services Industry Code of Practice was first introduced in 1999 for the further protection of sex workers and their clients. (13) Employers and/or operators of brothels and escort agencies are required to provide facilities that meet health and safety standards. The standards, which were developed by a collective of sex workers, police officers and health officials, include regulations on cleanliness and safety, as well as the purchase and disposal of "personal protective equipment" (such as condoms and other prophylactics). There remains some concern, however, that not all members of the prostitution industry are aware of their rights and responsibilities. One organization, Workers in Sex Employment (WISE), has called upon the government to take "a [more] proactive role in the education of brothel owners and sex workers." (14)
Barbara Sullivan, one of the foremost scholars on prostitution in Australia, argues that, in sum, "[t]here are some clear advantages to the ACT system." There appear to be very few illegal brothels and very little street solicitation. Brothels are largely confined to industrial areas, because of the ACT's zoning requirements. Moreover, prostitutes' advocacy groups are satisfied with the ACT's focus on occupational health and safety. A collective of stakeholders in the sex industry continues to consult the government on ongoing issues. (15)
In assessing the ACT's approach, it is important to note the Territory's distinctive history with regard to this issue. Even before 1992, the ACT pursued a policy of toleration and control. Persons involved in prostitution were not charged unless a complaint had been lodged. Moreover, sex workers already enjoyed a fairly cordial relationship with the police and other community members. According to Sullivan,
The good relations which prevail between the industry, the government and the public ... are probably unique in Australia. Only in Canberra do brothels organise well-attended public open-days (complete with barbeque) and host contemporary art shows ... (16)It is likely, therefore, that this history helped to iron out issues that could have provoked much more controversy in some other parts of Australia, such as Victoria.
B. Victoria (Legalization)While some forms of prostitution have been permitted in Victoria since 1986, the sex industry is currently governed by the Prostitution Control Act, which came into force in 1995. (17) Some debate remains, however, over exactly what approach Victoria has chosen to take. While some commentators refer to the Prostitution Control Act as "decriminalisation with controls," (18) others suggest it more closely resembles legalization. (19) Regardless of the definition, it is clear that the government of the state of Victoria seeks to control the sex industry through legislation.
The government sets out a number of aims in the introduction to the Prostitution Control Act (1994). They include:
Contrary to the situation in the ACT, however, questions have arisen from all sides about whether the Prostitution Control Act is actually meeting its goals. Critics have questioned the Act's ability to ensure that sex workers are provided with proper working conditions, as well as its capacity to shut down illegal brothels and escort agencies. (20)
In Victoria, individuals and businesses selling sexual services are required to be licensed. The licensing process is much more in-depth than registration in the ACT. The Business Licensing Authority requires prospective owners to submit to a police check and an assessment of their financial affairs. More generally, the Prostitution Control Act requires applicants (and their associates) to be "of good repute, having regard to character, honesty and integrity." These requirements are designed in part to prevent organized crime from infiltrating the prostitution industry. The government also hopes that licensing will prevent individuals from flouting the regulations set out by the Prostitution Control Act and the state's occupational health and safety code. (21) Sole operators and two-person brothels are exempt, and thus do not have to apply for a licence.
Some critics argue that Victoria's licensing system discourages prostitutes from setting up their own small brothels. The stringent licensing requirements are one deterrent. Another is the often-high costs of running a legal brothel or escort agency. (22) According to the Business Licensing Authority, the annual licensing fee for a brothel with more than two people starts at A$2,218.90 (approximately C$1,735). It costs prostitution service providers another A$416.10 (C$315) for each additional room. (23) All brothel owners must comply with specific regulations dealing with cleanliness and hygiene, as outlined in the Health (Infectious Diseases) Regulations.
Yet another critical factor in discouraging sex workers from starting their own businesses is the requirement for all brothels and escort agencies (whether large or small) to obtain a planning permit from their local city council. While city councils are not permitted to deny prospective owners a permit on moral grounds, they must follow the strict zoning requirements outlined in the Prostitution Control Act. Prostitution establishments are prohibited from operating in any residential neighbourhood and must be located more than 200 metres away from any school, hospital or place of worship. Prostitutes who live in residential areas are thus forbidden to establish a business in their own homes. Moreover, the strict limits attached to the planning permits tend to facilitate the development of large brothels at the expense of small ones.
Consequently, critics argue, legal prostitution in Victoria tends to be monopolized by large, expensive brothels. (24) For example, the Daily Planet in Melbourne operates a hotel-style facility with 18 rooms. Its management estimates that between 100 and 150 women work there regularly. (25)
Currently, an estimated 100 licensed brothels operate in Victoria. (26) Those unable or unwilling to work either in large or "exempt" legal brothels must risk significant criminal penalties by either running their own illegal brothel or engaging in street solicitation. (27)
Critics have also questioned Victoria's approach to prostitution in light of the seemingly uncontrollable expansion of illegal prostitution within its borders. Estimates in 2003 suggested that up to 400 illegal brothels were operating in the state. (28) Communities across the state have called upon the government to strengthen the Prostitution Control Act in the hope of cracking down on unlawful prostitution. (29) Street solicitation is also a major problem in Victoria.
The government of Victoria continues to grapple with how best to regulate, and ultimately control, the prostitution industry. While the Prostitution Control Act was designed to curb many of the most harmful aspects of prostitution (including street solicitation, criminal involvement in the trade, and risks to health and safety), it is not clear that the legislation has achieved its desired effect. Neither sex workers' rights groups nor community organizations have been particularly supportive of the law since its inception. Nevertheless, it does not appear that the state is planning to revamp its approach to prostitution in the near future. Rather, the government appears to be concentrating its efforts on enforcing the current provisions of the Act, in the hope of bringing about long-term social change.
New Zealand (Decriminalization)In June 2003, New Zealand undertook radical reforms to its prostitution laws, decriminalizing adult prostitution by repealing a series of century-old laws prohibiting solicitation, operation of a brothel, and living off the avails of prostitution. The Prostitution Reform Act (PRA) (30) was introduced as a private member's bill following many years of debate, and passed in Parliament by only one vote (60 to 59, with one abstention). Before the bill was adopted, prostitution had not been illegal in New Zealand, but because of the various prohibitions, it had been almost impossible to sell sexual services and remain within the law.
Before adoption, the Prostitution Reform Bill had been referred to the New Zealand Parliament's Justice and Electoral Committee, which held hearings in three major cities, heard evidence from relevant government ministries and police, and considered experiences from other jurisdictions, including Australia, that had decriminalized and legalized prostitution. The committee tabled a report in June 2003 recommending that the bill be passed with amendments. (31) The committee's report made it clear that the bill was "not intended to equate with the promotion of prostitution as an acceptable career option but instead to enable sex workers to have, and access, the same protections afforded to other workers." (32) As stated in section 3 of the PRA:
The purpose of this Act is to decriminalise prostitution (while not endorsing or morally sanctioning prostitution or its use) and to create a framework that -The PRA was ultimately designed to stop the sex industry from going underground. The objective, in letting sex workers and prostitution establishments come out into the open, was to create safer and healthier environments for persons selling sexual services. As noted by Jan Jordan, who was commissioned by the New Zealand Ministry of Justice to review the literature on the sex industry,
[t]he campaign for law reform was supported by a highly diverse range of people, motivated by a desire to see a more equitable and practical solution. Many of those supporting the reform were clear that they were not condoning prostitution itself, but recognizing its current existence within society and the limitations and inadequacies of existing legislation. A harm minimisation approach was favoured by many, and the resultant legal changes sought to reflect such sentiments. (33)In practice, the PRA tolerates street prostitution and allows independent sex workers to work in an unregulated environment. No "red light" districts were created. Indoors, the new law allows up to four independent individuals to operate from the same location without a licence, while more than four individuals, or those working for a third party, are regulated and must have a licence to operate. There are no restrictions on the number of people that can work for one operator. Operator certificates are granted and held by the Registrar of the Court, which ensures that the identity of operators remains confidential. (34)
The PRA placed significant responsibility for regulating brothels, including zoning, licensing and advertising, in the hands of local governments. (35) Local governments may regulate advertising through bylaws, based on considerations as to signage advertising prostitution is likely to cause nuisance or serious offence to the public using the area, or whether it is incompatible with the character of the area. (36) Local governments also retain the power to pass bylaws to control offensive behaviour, provided that such bylaws do not prohibit prostitution altogether.
Other generic laws regulating businesses are now applicable to the sex industry, with special provisions determining issues such as age limits and constraints on who can sell sexual services or own, finance, operate or manage a prostitution business. Small owner-operator brothels are managed under local government rules for small home businesses. Occupational health and safety codes have been expanded to include prostitution, and inspectors have the authority to enter a premises believed to be a prostitution business at any reasonable time to ensure compliance with the Health and Safety in Employment Act, and to ensure that the operation, prostitutes and clients have adopted safe sex practices. Such safe sex practices entail individuals involved taking all reasonable steps to ensure that condoms are used, and employers making free condoms accessible. Operators must also provide health information to persons selling sexual services and their clients. (37)
To combat exploitation, the PRA addresses the issue of trafficking in persons by denying immigration permits to anyone who intends to work in, invest in, or operate a business of prostitution in New Zealand or who does so while living in New Zealand on a temporary permit or limited purpose permit. (38) Penalties against exploitative practices, including harsh penalties for clients and operators surrounding the commercial exploitation of children, have also been strengthened. (39)
Since 2003, there have been many attempts to reverse these legislative changes. One anti-prostitution group sponsored a petition to repeal all of the Prostitution Reform Act, but fell short of the signatures needed to force a referendum on this issue in 2005. (40) Concern about the PRA comes primarily from groups who feel that decriminalization has led to a rise in prostitution in the country.
In an attempt to combat some of the effects of the PRA, some local governments in New Zealand have used their powers to strictly regulate the sex industry. Public pressure against allowing persons to sell sexual services out of their homes has resulted in the adoption of some regulations that make it difficult to set up small brothels in certain jurisdictions. In Auckland, a proposed bylaw to control prostitution does not distinguish between different sizes of brothels, thus subjecting prostitutes working from their homes to the more stringent limitations that are placed on large-scale brothels. In regulating the location of prostitution activities, local councils have also come under pressure from constituents who want to avoid the nuisance aspects of prostitution in their neighbourhoods. As a result, cities such as Aukland have chosen to restrict brothels to certain inner-city and industrial areas. Several cities have implemented regulations banning the location of prostitution establishments within the vicinity of schools, daycares, government buildings, and places of worship, as well as in residential areas. In some cities, these limitations have made it almost impossible to find a location where it would be legal to practice prostitution. This use of local regulatory power to essentially prohibit, or severely limit, prostitution has frustrated advocates of decriminalization, who see that the impact of the PRA has been seriously mitigated by such local controls.
As a way to effectively assess the impact of the legislation, sections 42 and 43 of the PRA required the Minister of Justice to appoint an 11-member Prostitution Law Review Committee made up of individuals nominated by the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective and the ministers of Justice, Women's and Youth Affairs, Health, Police, Commerce, and Local Government to review the PRA as soon as practicable after the Act came into force. That evaluation was released in May 2008 (41) and generally concluded that the effect of decriminalization had been positive thus far. The committee examined statistics, and concluded that, contrary to public opinion, there had been no dramatic change in the numbers of people involved in the sex industry since the PRA had come into force. The committee stated that street prostitution accounts for only 11% of prostitution in New Zealand, and that the only real complaints about street prostitution since 2003 emanated from Christchurch and Manukau, cities that are also dealing with a range of other social problems. The committee felt that, in these cases, the effects of street prostitution are best dealt with by proactive measures at the local level, through the local government, police and nongovernmental organizations.
Concerning exploitation, the committee found that 60% of sex workers felt that they had more power to refuse clients under the PRA than without it, and only 4% said they had been pressured into the sex industry by another person. The committee found that 1.3% of persons in the sex industry were under 18 years of age. This did not represent an increase in numbers, and the committee commented that the PRA had, in fact, managed to raise consciousness about sexual exploitation of children. The committee did not, however, find any significant improvement in employment conditions.
Regarding local government regulation of the sex industry, the committee noted that most local governments had not seen the need for significant regulation in their jurisdiction, and that many of those that had implemented regulations were simply being cautious, not responding to real issues. Cities that did implement severe regulations, such as Christchurch and Manukau, were most often responding to a wide range of social problems that were not necessarily related to prostitution. However, the committee expressed concern that some local governments had attempted to make single-owner-operated brothels move into the same commercial areas as larger brothels. The committee noted that such an arrangement is both impractical and even dangerous for sex workers and stated that single-owner-operated brothels should be regulated in the same way as other businesses run from the home. The committee pointed out that courts had struck down some bylaws, such as Auckland City Council's Brothels and Commercial Sex Premises Bylaw, which severely restricted locations where brothels could operate. Finally, the committee expressed concern that some onerous regulations that had been implemented at the local level under the Health Act and Local Government Act, such as high licensing fees and restrictive health and safety requirements, could force brothels underground. This would be contrary to the purpose of the PRA.
Ultimately, the committee's report concluded that despite some local frustrations with respect to street prostitution and the operation of single-owner-operated brothels in residential neighbourhoods, decriminalization of prostitution in New Zealand was working. Kinks were being smoothed out, and generally, prostitution and trafficking were not on the rise, sex workers were positive about low levels of exploitation, and awareness was growing about the sexual exploitation of children
Don't worry susan, you have supporters here. I hope you stay.
tanx!!i will!i just did a great live interview on CTV newsnet!!!
love susie
Cool!! That is excellent news!
Edited: here is the link.
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20091006/prostitution_091...
How did these groups get legal standing?
The Catholic Civil Rights League of Canada, Christian Legal Fellowship and REAL Women of Canada, have been granted intervenor status in the case and will present their perspective on the issues before the court as well.
REAL women of Canada do not speak for the majority. Nice to see the company the anti-prostitution crowd keeps.
Oh puhleeeze...
Susan Davis writes: "so you, like martin refuse to acknowledge government of canada findings?"
The suggestion that the lengthy document that followed was "government of canada findings" is denied in the opening page of the full document: ...These studies are not official Parliamentary or Canadian government documents...
Hindle, Barnett and Casavant have interviewed self-alleged representatives of sex workers and transcribed their claims, but the fact that their report is entered on a Library of Parliament web site doesn't make it "Government of Canada findings".
so you, like martin refuse to acknowledge government of canada findings?
How can I refuse to acknowledge something I've never seen? And you call Martin aggressive?
http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb0329-e.htm
Unlike most other Australian states (such as Victoria), the ACT does not license prostitutes, brothels, or escort agencies. Rather, it requires members of the prostitution industry to register with the Registrar of Brothels and Escort Agencies. Registration is not difficult, nor is it a particularly lengthy process. Every year, individuals who wish to register themselves or their businesses must provide their contact information to the Registrar and pay a small fee. According to the government of the ACT, registration is preferable to licensing because of its ease and efficiency. (7)
By all accounts, the registration system appears to be meeting its goals. While the ACT (like many other Australian states) continues to prohibit street solicitation, very little of it seems to occur in practice. As Sullivan points out, "this is probably because other employment opportunities in the sex industry are readily accessible." (8) Moreover, due to the relative straightforwardness of the registration process, there appear to be very few illegal brothels and escort agencies.
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Barbara Sullivan, one of the foremost scholars on prostitution in Australia, argues that, in sum, "[t]here are some clear advantages to the ACT system." There appear to be very few illegal brothels and very little street solicitation. Brothels are largely confined to industrial areas, because of the ACT's zoning requirements. Moreover, prostitutes' advocacy groups are satisfied with the ACT's focus on occupational health and safety. A collective of stakeholders in the sex industry continues to consult the government on ongoing issues. (15)
The goal of the registration system seems to be to get people to register voluntarily so their success doesn't mean anything to me either way. I am concerned by the statement that "there appear to be very few illegal brothels". What is "very few" and how has this been determined. Why only "appears"? The issue of trafficking and minors isn't addressed either.
Barbara Sullivan is one of many scholars on this topic. From a business perspective this report seems quite positive but I don't see business concerns as the major consideration. I'm sure there is tons of money in prostitution. Where are the happy hookers surveys where the majority of hookers claim that they are now happy and healthy due to legalization? Are the accounts of arrests and discovery of hundreds of children in prostitution all lies?
What about http://xpalss.org/ , Ex-Prostitutes Against Legislated Sexual Servitude
Are their views to be discounted because they don't have a representative here to present their perspective?
Concerning exploitation, the committee found that 60% of sex workers felt that they had more power to refuse clients under the PRA than without it, and only 4% said they had been pressured into the sex industry by another person. The committee found that 1.3% of persons in the sex industry were under 18 years of age. This did not represent an increase in numbers, and the committee commented that the PRA had, in fact, managed to raise consciousness about sexual exploitation of children. The committee did not, however, find any significant improvement in employment conditions.
I bet they didn't survey any of the illegal prostitutes.
To combat exploitation, the PRA addresses the issue of trafficking in persons by denying immigration permits to anyone who intends to work in, invest in, or operate a business of prostitution in New Zealand or who does so while living in New Zealand on a temporary permit or limited purpose permit. (38) Penalties against exploitative practices, including harsh penalties for clients and operators surrounding the commercial exploitation of children, have also been strengthened. (39)
I doubt human-traffickers ever considered applying for permits so I am not sure how this is intended to control them.
it was commisioned for scrutiny by parliamentry sub committee......fine, ignore and diminish my voice and experience, pretend i don't exist.ignore all facts. the "osterich approach" ( if i don't look, it doesn't exist) is working great!let's allow as many sex workers as possible to be killed or harmed to "protect" sex workers. you fail to see we will not give up. not this time. we will not allow non sex working people and ex workers whose experiences were completely exploited dictate our future safety. you all did a great job in 1985, it was a great success....sex workers are gone.dead. happy now? you like martin refuse to listen and i am tired of trying to convince you. honor yourself, you clearly know what sex workers need, out of your vast experience in the sex industry.please, enlighten me how best you would suggest i be protected from my immoral non existant self?
for your consideration;
Currently violence against sex workers is not considered a hate crime. Although most can agree that there's not much difference between a truck full of good 'ol boys in white hoods jumping in the truck to drive downtown and find some to lynch and a bunch of teenagers jumping in their car to go downtown and throw things at "crack whores". The most disturbing aspect of this is that most of our community members reported the majority of attacks of this nature were being committed by women.
When we delve into history a bit we find references to the sex industry all through out recorded time; Always kept separate, always a distinct and secretive culture. A difficult revelation about recent history is that women in fact are responsible for a lot of the stigma sex industry community member live with today. In 1917 when women received the vote in the War Time Election Act one of the first actions influenced by their vote was the implementation of prohibition. Drugs, alcohol, gambling and sex were all made illegal. Unfortunately for sex industry workers that made us as people illegal.
During this time sex workers were put into asylums under the guise that they were somehow mentally ill thus their immoral behavior. This attack on sex workers in particular female sex workers by other women resulted in great pain and in some cases death for the workers affected. These women went as far as to create an ad campaign depicting sex workers as evil and as the vectors of disease. Their campaign of speeches, posters and radio spots was so broad and far reaching that this stigma exists to this day. We can see in the high numbers of women reportedly attacking sex industry community members and in the way feminist abolitionist groups still promote sex industry workers as victims, helpless and unable to defend or look after our selves. This latest campaign of hatred has gone on for 100 years some of us refer to it as the prohibition war. Since the beginning of this war human rights have come to the fore front and now the sex industry community is seeking recognition as a distinct culture deserving of protection under the charter. We hope to end the campaign to "end sex work" and have our rights to choose employment, be protected from hate propaganda against us, and to be protected from discrimination based on who we are.
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
Article 20
Article 26
International Declaration of Human Rights
Article 1.All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2.Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3.Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person
Part III
Article 6
or is the international charter of human rights outside of your scope...am i not human...deserving of protection? perhaps it's part of martins pimp conspiracy?
How did these groups get legal standing?
The Catholic Civil Rights League of Canada, Christian Legal Fellowship and REAL Women of Canada, have been granted intervenor status in the case and will present their perspective on the issues before the court as well.
There's a previous open thread about this whole development, SG, where susan first introduced herself. Unfortunately, that thread went kinda south the way this one is.
Well that's a shame because I would like to hear from someone, you know, actually in the field, instead of other people consistently moralizing about this. It would be nice, just for once, if susan were allowed to speak without being told she doesn't have that right.
Thanks for the head's up on the other thread unionist.
so you, like martin refuse to acknowledge government of canada findings?
How can I refuse to acknowledge something I've never seen? And you call Martin aggressive?
What about http://xpalss.org/ , Ex-Prostitutes Against Legislated Sexual Servitude
Are their views to be discounted because they don't have a representative here to present their perspective?
I bet they didn't survey any of the illegal prostitutes.
ex workers, not active, workers un affected by any change to legal framework. i always acknowledge experiences of exploited workers and do not deny they exist, as they deny i exist
i bet they did interview illegal sex workers as we do here in line with accepted harm reduction frameworks.
also, if you are not familiar with issues and claim to have not seen, perhaps you should read up a bit before commenting. if i seem defensive it is because i am constanly under attack by people who have no understanding of the way we live or our goals.
i suggest starting here;
http://www.steppingstonens.ca/
http://www.cncew.ca/
http://www.nakedtruth.ca/
http://www.rodedraad.nl/
http://www.scarletalliance.org.au/
http://www.coyotela.org/
http://www.empowerfoundation.org/
http://www.durbar.org/
http://www.prostitutescollective.net/
http://www.nzpc.org.nz/
www.wccsip.ca
www.chezstella.org
http://www.maggiestoronto.ca/
http://sites.google.com/site/powerottawa/
www.livingincommunity.ca
i am meeting a client so can't argue anymore...a woman must work sometime.....
There is room for both views here actually.
i hope i never suggested other wise.....i just am frustrated by misinformation is all....
Don't think it is, and don't think yours is either.
Just different viewpoints and perceptions of information.
Well that's a shame because I would like to hear from someone, you know, actually in the field, instead of other people consistently moralizing about this. It would be nice, just for once, if susan were allowed to speak without being told she doesn't have that right.
Thanks for the head's up on the other thread unionist.
Please point me to the post where Susan was told she isn't allowed to speak.
The only person who was told they shouldn't speak was Martin.
ex workers, not active, workers un affected by any change to legal framework. i always acknowledge experiences of exploited workers and do not deny they exist, as they deny i exist
I don't think the fact that they will be unaffected by any change to the legal framework lessens the validity of the information they present.
Nor have I ever seen "them" deny the existence of happy-hookers. What I have seen is numbers that suggest *most* sex workers were sexually abused as children. That lots of street kids, both male and female, fall into prostitution because it's the only way they know how to survive. That a lot of prostitutes were trafficked from other countries.
I do not think that the effects of prostitution are limited to the individuals participating in the particular incident. I don't agree that legalization results in more harm reduction than other approaches.
I have read up on the issue. I had not read the particular link you accused me of ignoring.
I don't think you seem defensive I think you seem aggressive which is okay by me as long as I'm allowed to be equally aggressive. Disagreeing with you is not attacking you.
Who is "we". How many active sex workers do you represent?
I'm getting the impression that people who aren't prostitutes and aren't female are less entitled to express an opinion on this issue. Even if all prostitutes loved their jobs which isn't the case there are ramifications for the rest of society. I'm against boxing too and I don't see why I should have to be a male boxer to be critical of the "sport" of beating up on someone until their brain is injured. I personally support the Swedish model on prostitution even though there have been conflicting claims concerning outcomes.
Just different viewpoints and perceptions of information. I agree with that.
For me prostitution is not a moralistic issue but one that centers around "work" and the politics of the personal is political and the political is personal.
I would not advocate or suggest prostitution is a good career choice for my 3 female daughers, thus, I would not suggest that for "others".
I wish that protitution was safer for the individuals in this field and at the same time I wish that it didn't exist as I see it sexually objectifies all women.
I do not see myself as being on one side or another in this debate, kind of a rendition of, "you are either with us or against us."
Helping for example, "our poor sisters" by legalizing prostitution distresses me on a social and economic justice level - as it suggests to me that I'm oking sexual exploitation for some.
As an aside, I don't like gambling casinos. I believe that the "work" is unprogressive although in this regard the workers are not exploited, just that what is produced does not benefit society in a social good.
In a unscientific survey - straw vote so to speak - I asked many workers in this industry if they would prefer doing other more progressive work - at the same wage, benefits, safety and so on. Not one said to me that they would prefer the industry they were in. It was about job availability and good pay.
In the end, it is about social benefit for the individual and society.
Interesting observations about the casino industry workers.
When I was in university, I got a job at the local casino, because it supported us, and it was night work, so I could go to school in the day, and would have several hours of available study time at night, while working. Great pay, benefits and safe working environment usually.
In those days, the community orgs and charities got the lion's share of the money coming from the night's take, not the government, nor the casino franchise. Every night a different charity moved through, as the "boss" of that night's venue. And I saw direct community good come from it. Then the casino franchises slowly started weeding them out. Such was the case too, for the Bingo franchises and their getting rid of direct charity control of the gaming event being held.
Since that started happening, less and less money has gone to community organizations and charities, so there is less societal benefit occuring, to off set damage to individuals and society.
Think there needs to be a comprehensive study on the industry, in all facets of it, done.
right Remind.
That's not really fair. It's quite obvious that REAL Women etcetera oppose decriminalized prostitution for rather different reasons than feminist abolitionists.
Are you saying you represent all or most sex workers in Canada?
Are you saying that no one other than current sex workers has a right to contribute to the discussion? Not even ex-sex workers?
Are you saying society as a whole has no right to set minimum wage laws or zoning laws or any other law that limits individual freedoms? I believe that sex work of all kinds impacts me personally. I have every right to have an opinion on the topic. I do not have to be a bookie or a gambler to have an opinion on the impact of gambling on society. I do not have to be a boxer to be against a sport in which the goal is to physically damage another person's brain however willing the participants are.
You appear to be claiming that:
A: Only current sex-workers have a right to have an opinion on this topic.
B: You represent the voice of all or a significant majority of sex-workers.
C: Anyone who disagrees with you is supporting violence against sex-workers and is trying to impose antiquated morals on you.
D: Canadian citizens who are not sex-workers have no right to pass laws against sex-work?
You don't need to convince me of anything and I am not labeling you immoral nor suggesting that your voice shouldn't be heard and respected. I do have experience with the sex industry but I don't believe I have to share that with you or anyone else in order to have the right to an opinion. I have no interest in protecting you from you since you are clearly delighted with your profession.
Nevertheless, whether you like it or not, everyone in Canada has a voice and is permitted to have opinions on activities in Canada even if they have no direct experience. Whether or not it is fair the laws governing sex-work are unlikely to be decided on by actual sex-workers because most Canadians including lawmakers do not have a history with the industry.
Your reliance on personal attacks and strawdog arguments make me suspicious because you appear to be capable of communicating on a more sophisticated level yet you choose not to. In my personal experience when people move on to personal attacks it is because they can't back up their position any other way.
I think I would support that becoming a hate crime but I would want to hear counter-arguments if any exist. Personally I can't think of one.
Most illegal activities are kept secret. I am sure smuggling is also a "distinct and secretive culture". I have no problem owning that woman are most likely the driving force against prostitution but I don't believe they are the driving force behind the stigma although they may be an equal part of it. Just because men use prostitutes it doesn't mean they consider them equal or even equal to their wives daughters and girlfriends. Some men who use prostitutes might be fine with their daughters becoming one, especially if they are high-class call-girls, but I am willing to bet the grand majority of men would not want any woman they respect to be paid for sex-work.
Do you think prostitution only became stigmatized when it was made illegal? I am proud not ashamed of the women who strove to make it illegal to use women for sex in exchange for money. While I am strongly against prohibition I think gambling laws are good. Laws against drugs, gambling, alcohol and prostitution (sex wasn't illegal) did not make drug users, gamblers, drinkers or sex-workers illegal as people. It make those activities illegal.
That's a terrible thing. At that time epilepsy was also considered a mental illness and mental illness remains stigmatized to this day. I imagine "REAL women" also has that attitude privately if not publically. However, I don't think most feminists or ex-sex worker organizations who against full legalization as opposed to decriminalization for prostitutes have that attitude.
I'd like to see some numbers on that or at least a few specific verifiable incidences of these regular attacks. Even so I would be surprised if women attacking sex workers represents even 1% of the violence against sex-workers.
While I completely agree that not all sex workers are helpless victims incapable of defending or looking after themselves some definitely are in that position. While the anti-prostitution groups and individuals *may* focus on them too much (which I would dispute) you seem to believe they don't exist at all. That all prostitutes are happy to exchange sexual intercourse for money and sex work would be a lovely wonderful professional choice for young women if only it weren't illegal.
Brothels could set up booths at job fairs and high schools and offer free training so young men and women could consider it for the future. Just think, the sign over the booth could say "Earn $100,000 your first year!" Governments could fund trade schools like they do for plumbing and carpentry.
what part of ADULT consentual sex work are you missing? as if we would set up in high schools and recruit children...did you even read our proposed terms?i am not an exploiter of youth and would never be party to any organization that did.education for youth about rights and risks definitely. is not prevention better than cure?
as far as wanting our daughters not to do it....you will not be there when your child makes decisions about sex work. if your child( an adult child/offspring)did engage in sex work, after all i am some ones child, wouldn't you want to know they would be safe doing it?
as far as numbers of workers i represent...depends on project or initiative;
as follows;
749- CAEC terms of reference
643- by-law revisions
4635- salvation army initiative
15 members of coop development team
15 members labour on the margins working group
7 BCCEC members
23 WCCSIP members- no funding to expand....yet!
89 members- private escorts forum
All totalled....6176.....
20 workers on street I see everyday. ......workers I let turn tricks at my place as I am afraid for them........yes for free....as in not being a pimp....
Or we could go by member numbers of groups I belong to and consult....i don't want to "out" locations were sex worker meet so I will not identify sex industry specific forums.
58,161- p...
5066-c.....
16,510-cb.....
902-tnt.......
All total, 80,439.......
not including history of sex work project, members of an NGO i was president of the board of,not including workers who are my friends......
i wonder how many members expals represent?
i constantly am asked to justify my position by people as far as numbers of sex workers, as if i am alone in my ideas. not true. we will be heard.
as far as respecting experiences of exploited workers, i always have. i always acknowledge violence in my industry and am working to fight it. please take time to read our plans before assuming i am only focused on my own interests. i worked on street and was raped, unlawfully confined, beaten, pimped, and almost killed on several occasions
what put me at risk? dangerous working conditions and a lack of jobs in safer indoor environments. and before you invoke my friend nikki parisiennes name as proof of violence indoors, yes, violence also occurs indoors. we, sex industry workers, were forced to make a choice about areas in our industry needing stabilization and workers on street were dying faster...so we decided as a community, street workers must be saved first. we DO want to stabilize indoor environments but are dealing with a blood bath and must make hard choices...
ok, i am ready for your next question....and i notcie you never offered any solution except abolition....so you don't see any plan working or just don't have a plan?or are not willing to share ideas on it?...
prostitution is NOT illegal in canada. all aspects to make it safer are illegal.....bawdy house-working from home- communicating- not being able to negotiate terms of work before getting incar or even lookng for weapons in car etc before getting in....
If your tone is due to feeling disrespected by me I do apologize and it is not intentional. I am going to create a new thread for the discussion of recruitment.
When you referred to educating youths in rights, risks and prevention what did you mean? Prevention of what?
749- CAEC terms of reference
643- by-law revisions
4635- salvation army initiative
15 members of coop development team
15 members labour on the margins working group
7 BCCEC members
23 WCCSIP members- no funding to expand....yet!
89 members- private escorts forum
All totalled....6176.....
Your highest number above, 4635, is connected to the salvation army initiative.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/salvation-...
One Vancouver sex worker, Sue Davis, said the Salvation Army campaign demonizes prostitution and encourages police raids, which drive sex workers underground. Ms. Davis, 41, said abolitionists are attempting to create panic by suggesting that hordes of prostitutes will descend on Vancouver for the Games. She said legalizing all aspects of prostitution – including licensing safe brothels – would make life safer for sex workers.
This article is from September 18th. There is no suggestion in the article that you are a spokesperson for anyone other than yourself.
Your next numbers are:
749- CAEC terms of reference
643- by-law revisions
But these do not appear to be organizations. What is your connection to these people and how are they connected to each other?
All total, 80,439.......
I do not dispute that you are an excellent spokesperson for the undoubtedly many sex workers who believe that prostitution is a job like any other therefore should be legal. You are also an excellent spokesperson for women who believe that legalization would reduce the exploitation whether or not they are prostitutes or approve of it as a profession. But, belonging to organizations with other people is not the same as being their representative or spokesperson.
Do a reasonable proportion of prostitutes belong to at least one organization? Do they represent a cross section of workers or are they primarily high end? Are all of them like you, happy in the profession and wouldn't leave it if they could? Can you say that they all chose the profession freely? Is the percentage of them who were sexually abused as children as compared to the general population normal or fairly close to normal? Do these organizations represent prositutes or all sex-workers?
I understand that due to laws, stigma, and general working conditions it is difficult to present clear data. The ways in which people are questioned can also skew the results.
For example, I think the majority of workers if asked "Are you in favor of legalization" would say yes. But that's just my opinion.
If they were asked "If you had the power to either legalize the profession, or earn as much money a different way, which would you do and why?" I suspect that most would choose earn as much money a different way. But again, that's just my opinion.
I said I support the Sweden model of which I assume you are familiar with, but if you missed that why not simply ask me what my position is?
If you feel I am disrespecting you on a personal basis rather than debating the issue of legalization please let me know. I sincerely do not want to offend you. You are the only person here that is a professional prostitute therefore your voice carries a lot of weight. It carries even more weight because it is clear that you are also a recognized activist.
But, with an issue as complex as this I want facts and numbers as well as logic-based arguments and I believe the issue should be examined from multiple perspectives. It's not just an issue of individual personal freedom to choose one's own destiny.
Proponents claim that full legalization leads to harm reduction but opponents to legalization claim that because the industry explodes the number of women full legalization increases the harm.
Proponents claim that legalization results in women been empowered to refuse work but opponents claim that women have less power because they are more easily replaced so men can demand more and pay less.
Susan said: 20 workers on street I see everyday. ......workers I let turn tricks at my place as I am afraid for them........yes for free....as in not being a pimp....
Why do they work on the street? Don't they make enough money to have an apartment even if they had to have a room-mate? If they were not turning tricks at your place where would they go? Doesn't it make you nervous to have then bringing men off the into home? Are you there or are they alone and if the are alone how are they safer?
i am founder and director of canadian adult enterntainment commission, spokes person for BCCEC bc coalition of experiential communitesand founder and director of canada's first sex worker cooperative, west coast cooperative of sex industry professionals.
as far as "just being a member" and you not understnading numbers, by-law revisions-BCCEC project- salvation army campaign- input by all people in numbers listed and my releasing press releases and making statmemts based on everyones input. or instance i never felt we talking about raaids being anti immigrant and racist was a good idea but people i consulted felt it was important so i included it. BCCEC- The British Columbia Coalition of Experiential Communities (BCCEC) is a consortium of sex worker activists who work to eliminate the oppressive systems and forces that create harm for individuals within the sex industry. We operate under the principle that members commit to creating an environment of inclusion and change. WCCSIP- Vancouver sex workers expressed their desire to explore cooperative business models as a way to generate alternative sources of income, increase health and safety, build community capacity and begin to take control of our collective destiny. The cooperative cooperation was formally incorporated in February 2008 and is known as the West Coast Cooperative of Sex Industry Professionals. CAEC- The Canadian Adult Entertainment Commission is a consortium of people who have experience either working within, providing services to, running a business in, or purchasing services/products of the sex industry and agree to work towards the common goals of health, safety and stability in the sex industry BCCEC members all represent different genres of sex work, so we all bring numbers of workers to the table. in particular exotic dancers are not as stigmatized and so take part in larger numbers more openly. escorts are becoming more willing but still fear being "outed" and so are taking part but not wanting to be to public, so i speak out. in our on-line forums we make real progress. anyone can take part and be anonymus...sort of...as we are never really anonymus on line... and people do, some revisionfor instance around decision making were revised as well as wording of sections related to confidentialaity and terms for supporting customers and business owners, very contreversial amongst workers and finally agreed upon by all. SA campaign is on going as fundraising continues and no active or migrant sex workers were ever consulted during design of supports. we will be meeting major veneables and discussing our concerns. many sex workers, as seen in numbers, feel offended and insulted by violent images used to raise money, dod you read my post about sweden's model by a sex worker? it doesn't seem to be as good as people claim...as well as safety of workers on street are is not improved. so, to be clear, i represent BCCEC,CAEC andWCCSIP. news reporters are going to say whatever they want to say. prostitute, sex worker is generally all they say. if they even mention 1 organization i represent i am happy. google my name...i have done over 300 media interviews have been in elle magazine and chatelaine, live on BBC world...always i am a sex worker or prostitute and sometimes orgs i represent are mentioned. it's the whole "a real live prostitute" thing...makes people buy news papers and is good for ratings...SEX....and VIOLENCE....i am a sex worker and bring men into my home as a job also.....i am not afraid, customers are not the boogie men people make them out to be.they are beautiful, vulnerable and for 23 years working17 of it workin independently and entertaining men in my home, on only 12 occassion did i need to be protected and was never hurt. i always keep security inspite of the risk for criminal charges, lucky for me i chose safety from attack over safety from enforcement.on street i experienced violence 2 or 3 times a day on average and some extreme violence. working for escort service, 2 or 3 times week. in 1986 i worked foragecies and it was very safe but over time and my career it has degraded severly to what we see now.
also when working, i post ads for them so tey do not have to stand on the street corner freezing, wet and waiting for a client.
i will not describe violence i have endured as trauma is contagious and i prefer not to hurt people with m experiences.
no, workers on street generally cannot afford to get an aprtment etc. addictions, age, appearnace...try paying for an aprtment and advertising and operating a business while suffering complex PTSD?also, areas where affordable housing exist are generally considered undesirable or ghetto so no customers feel safe going to apartments there, only predator customers cruising for victims on street, looking for desperate, dope sick women to exploit.
also workers living in supported housing are not allowed to work, if caught working they are evicted. salvation army will likely have similar policies.."my way or the highway".
of course i am in apartment while they work..duh...what would the point be otherwise? do see you see you have no understnading whatsoever of how we live? which is why sex workers, active sex workers, must be included in any decsions or development of actions that will impact our safety
If de-criminalization/legalization of prostitution leads to the de-marginalization of sex workers, then that in itself would be a positive outcome. Perhaps then, society (if that's the right term) can begin to get past the stereotype, and recognize the fragility beneath the hardened venir.
i absolutely agree!!!
one more thing Info saturated, we want decrim....not legalisation. areas of australia are experiencing problems with legalisation and i would spare canadian sex workers harm as a result of government "trial and error" approaches as seen in legalisation models.
and please use teminology we, sex workers are calling for. prostitute is the word which embodies our oppression. i am a sex worker. if you continue to call me a prostitute i will no longer answer your comments.
respectfully,
About the language issue. I don't think anyone is entitled to control my vocabulary. I have posted a few times about the obvious ambiguity in the term "sex worker". Depending on the definitions being used by the various advocates who wish to impose it, it can or not, include mere sympathizers, johns, and every nuance of implication in the industry: models, dancers, pimps, brothel and agency owners, office personnel, bouncers, phone operators, whatever.
So when one wants to discuss the very real harm that some current and formerly prostituted women are trying to document, it seems a bit unfair and dysfunctional to pile all these other occupations or proclivities on the other platter of the scale and say: "Look, no problem!"
I recall that arch-antifeminist Warren Farrell tried a similar tactic in 1984 when he proposed to the Association of American Sexologists that incest was no big deal and ought to be called "family sex" since according to studies, 50% of participants said it was just swell.
When invited to speak in Montreal by CLES (Coalition of Struggles Against Sexual Exploitation) three years ago, researcher-author Melissa Farley pointed out that the spokeswomen of "sex work" adocacy organizations were too often women who hadn't been prostituted themselves. They were either academics or privileged women who had merely danced in clubs for a short time before becoming executives in those orgs, using university-honed skills, etc. This happened to be true of the main advocacy group in Montreal at the time. Also, the main opponents to abolishing prostitution in town-hall meetings were not prostituted women themselves, but university students in stereotypical "street" garb, trying to carve out a third wave or a post-mo morality .
Which is why, respectfully, I will maintain responsibility and an open mind when dictated to about which terms to use about whom, especially when there are attempts to silence the voices of actually prostituted and trafficked women.
ETA: I think we can agree that people who self-define as "sex workers" are a subset of the prostituted population. Most sex work advocates volunteer, when pressed, that the "sex worker" category should not be deemed to refer to people who are trapped in survival sex situations by dire financial conditions, drug addiction, violent or controlling pimps, lack of housing, ingrained racism, devastated local economies, blackmail over immigration, etc. They insist on the people who choose the life.
However the pimps, brothel owners and johns whom the current court challenge would decriminalize don't make such distinctions. They attempt to exploit any and all prostituted women and youths; and I wouldn't trust them to self-regulate themselves otherwise. Which is why it is IMO more inclusive, realistic and conducive to social justice to speak of prostituted women and youths rather than merely those who self-define as free "sex workers" when discussing this project of across the board decriminalization for the people who wish immunity when they want to be sexually serviced or to profit from this exploitation.
i wasn't talking about "sex industry stakeholders" i was refering to workers only being called prostitutes.
i wasn't talking about "sex industry stakeholders" i was refering to workers only being called prostitutes.
Bump!
one more thing Infosaturated, we want decrim....not legalisation. areas of australia are experiencing problems with legalisation and i would spare canadian sex workers harm as a result of government "trial and error" approaches as seen in legalisation models.
and please use teminology we, sex workers are calling for. prostitute is the word which embodies our oppression. i am a sex worker. if you continue to call me a prostitute i will no longer answer your comments.
Thank-you Susan, I sincerely do not want to disrespect you in any way and if I have done so inadvertently in the manner in which I express myself I apologize. It is truely not intended.
My problem with the term sex worker is that I am not referring to sex work in general. I am referring to what has up until now been referred to as prostitution with no disrespect intended to the women involved from me. If ever I am referring to you I will call you by your name, not your occupation. I do understand why you feel included even when word is not directed at you personally. If I were a teacher and people said something about teachers I would certainly feel included. Nevertheless, without an actual synonym to replace it with I don't see any means of avoiding the word. I give you leave to call me inforamus if you like.
(not anybody else, just Susan) Although I do agree with Sweden's statement about what it says about all women when it is permitted that is not my main concern. I agree that you are well-educated, probably much better educated than myself, and fully in charge of your own life, not some oppressed exploited victim in need of me to swoop in and explain to you that you just don't realize that you are oppressed.
Concerning answering my questions or engaging in debate I do understand if you decide not to no matter what the reason. I understand you must do a lot of that and I am shall we say, talkative.
I just went and double-checked the difference between legalization and decriminalization on the Stella site to make sure I was understanding you correctly and I am way more strongly against decriminalization than legalization. Whenever I use either term I will try to use them correctly. I think most of the time whatever point I am making or trying to make applies to both equally anyway.
From the Canadian Union of Public Employees - Canada's largest union - a 2004 background paper (in MS Word format):
What is sex work?Sex work is an umbrella term that includes erotic dancing, erotic modeling and acting, telephone sex, massage, and escorting. Prostitution is but one form of sex work. Sex workers are frequently exploited and at risk, working under difficult conditions. Yet they have no protection because certain aspects of their work is deemed illegal and they are oftentimes regarded as criminals.
Why should CUPE care?
There are good reasons why CUPE is involved in getting the concerns of sex workers addressed.
CUPE is committed to defending the rights of workers. Our union is particularly active in defending the rights of workers to be treated equally. We know that discrimination divides workers and weakens our solidarity. The criminalization of sex work is a form of discrimination. It says to people that sex workers have no rights and that it is their own fault if they are victims of harassment and violence.
I recommend reading the full document.
I notice that one acknowledged problem in that Background paper about CUPE's possible involvement was that, to quote the document, "there is no clearly defined employer/employee relationship". Which may be why the document recommended "support for sex workers" and the "decriminalization of sex work" - as we do at CLES and elsewhere in the movement - but not that of soliciting by johns, pimping or brothel-keeping - as does the present Court challenge. Because it makes sense that for the prostituted people that can be acknowledged as workers, we cannot also side with their bosses' interests and privileges. It seems to me that this is where a Left agenda and a neo-liberal agenda part ways.
Libby Davies - from September 2002, still featured on her website:
Federal Solicitation Laws Put Sex Trade Workers at Risk
"The illegal nature of the sex trade has a dramatic impact on the safety and rights of those working in the industry. Street-level prostitutes are criminalized by Canada's laws against solicitation and are less likely to ask for police protection when at risk," said Davies
Numerous studies have shown that a majority of sex-trade workers have received treatment for a physical injury while working in the sex trade. In the 1990's, murders of prostitutes made up 5% of the overall homicide rate of women in Canada.
Not sure what your point is with posting this in either place, care to elaborate?
Not sure what your point is with posting this in either place, care to elaborate?
Sure, remind. I'm just trying to explore where some leaders of progressive opinion in the union movement and its allies stand on decriminalization and protection of the rights and freedoms of sex trade workers. The reason for multiple postings is that we now have FOUR THREADS on the sex trade issues going simultaneously, with pretty well the same debates in all. Why, do you think Libby's remarks are off-topic here?
Good information unionist, thanks for posting.
The Sex IndustryThe sex industry is often referred to as the adult entertainment industry. Although many disciplines could be argued to be "sex industry," most people think of street-based sex workers, exotic dancers, phone sex operators, dominatrices, adult film stars, and escorts, when they think of the sex industry.
Sex industry workers are people (including male, female, and transgendered) who provide a sexual service -- be it fantasy or reality -- for money.
For the purposes of Trade Secrets, we use the term "sex industry workers," "sex workers", and "adult entertainers" interchangeably.
The sex industry is made up of many different genres and disciplines including but not limited to the following examples. We provide these examples to assist your understanding of the guide as you read. For a more extensive list, see the Glossary located at the back of the guide.
Adult Film
Adult Film and Photography
Movies and photos with adult oriented sexual content; including but not limited to categories such as soft-core, hard-core, max hard-core, BDSM and fetish activities.
Adult film and photography talent/model/performer
Adult who performs and/or models in adult oriented films and photo shoots.
Adult film and photography companies
Private businesses that operate adult film and photography studios, productions, sessions for DVD, Internet or photos.
Fluffer
Person who sexually arouses adult film actors on set in order to prepare them to perform.
BDSM Work
An acronym for ‘B&D'(bondage & discipline); ‘D&S' (dominance and submission); and ‘S&M' (sadomasochism). A ‘Sadist' is one who obtains sexual enjoyment by watching and/or inflicting pain on another. A ‘Masochist' is one who obtains sexual enjoyment from receiving pain, humiliation and/or being dominated.
The term "BDSM" describes any situation or practice that involves erotic power exchange - dominance and submission, pain play, bondage, sensation play, or anything related to these activities.
BDSM work refers to any consensual activities between adults including some or all of these things, but on a professional level (we're getting paid for it).
Dominants and Submissives are employed in this industry. An additional role includes those who work as 'Switches'. A Switch is one who changes from dominant to submissive roles, depending on the scene.
Fetish Work
With respect to sexual activity, a ‘fetish' is defined as anything that sexually arouses a person, such as a foot fetish or a leather fetish. Fetish work is when someone offers fetish services for money. It can involve practices relating to BDSM.
Female Exotic Dancer
A female exotic dancer is an entertainer who performs seductive striptease to music, taking off her clothes until she is naked, or wearing very little. An exotic dancer may perform for a large or small audience, individuals or couples in strip clubs, nightclubs, or at private parties. The term exotic dancer encompasses features, showgirls, and house dancers.
Feature
The highest paid exotic dancer performing at a club is called the feature. Feature shows are generally interactive, with elaborate costumes, props and themes. In Western Canada, the feature is usually the highest paid showgirl, but she shares a common job description with the other dancers. In Ontario and Quebec, the feature is often the only dancer paid to dance on stage.
Showgirl
A showgirl is skilled at holding an audience's attention using dance and/or other specialized skills (pole work, acrobatics, gymnastics, fire shows, theme shows, etc) and by responding to the audience's reaction(s).
Common in British Columbia, Alberta and Manitoba, showgirls are usually booked on stage for weeklong contracts and work Monday to Saturday, with a day off and/or switch clubs on Sunday. They do not have a home bar and travel is often required. Showgirls are paid per show and are not compensated for their entertainment expenses, additional time, floor time, or travel expenses. A strong advantage of showgirl work is a guaranteed paycheque at the end of the week.
Private Dancer / VIP Dancer / House Dancer
A house dancer is an exotic dancer whose primary income comes from selling dances one-on-one in a private booth for individuals or couples. While on shift, house dancers are often required to do stage rotation, performing on stage for free, or for little pay. House dancers may be on shift by the bar, or may pay a drop in fee to the bar in order to work. House dancers have the advantage of sleeping in their own bed at night and have the stability of a steady place of employment. However, income can fluctuate dramatically as it depends on the sale of dances. Private dancing is common in Central and Eastern Canada, and becoming more popular in Western Canada.
Male Exotic Dancer
A male exotic dancer is a man who performs erotic dance or acrobatic movements while removing all or part of his clothing for an audience of gay men or heterosexual women. Male exotic dancers are often body builders and are usually very well-toned and muscular.
Contracted under different rules and regulations than female exotic dancers (in part due to there being fewer opportunities for paid male performance), male dancers are generally paid more for their shows with their shows lasting longer than female exotic dancers shows. Male dancers usually have another job that provides the bulk of their income.
Male exotic dancers perform in either a group (troupe or revue) or solo format to pre-recorded music that may follow a theme or exhibit similarities from song to song. Solo performers are required to perform more often than revue/troupe performers.
Male dancers commonly "tie off" which is a process that consists of tightly wrapping a thick elastic around the base of the penis when fully erect to maintain its girth for an extended period of time, presenting the visual effect of full arousal. This can be done as often as necessary.
Many clubs do not permit nudity, so the dancer is prohibited from exposing his penis. In some Alberta communities, licenses are required for nudity whether the dancer is male or female.
Live Erotic Performer
A live erotic performer provides sex shows that may or may not include contact with the audience or an individual customer. The performance may be on stage or in person. Some examples are burlesque dancers, peep show workers, auto-erotic performers (who masturbate in front of an audience), fetish performers, or anyone who performs sexual acts on stage or in front of clients during private sessions.
Peep Show Performer (Booth Baby)
A peep show performer engages in sexual activity - usually provocative dance, striptease, masturbation, or by sexually engaging with another performer - while the customer watches from a private booth. The booth is fitted with a window or shutter that opens when money is inserted into a coinbox or money slot. Typically, private booths surround a stage, separated from the performer by glass, and there is no contact between the performer and the audience. In some places, the performer may have the option to perform privately inside a customer's booth for an additional fee.
Some peep show establishments offer coin-operated booths showing adult films, and in some places, video booths have replaced live performers.
Phone Sex Operator (Phone Sex Actress, Adult Phone Entertainer)
A phone sex operator is a paid professional who engages customers in sexual fantasies over the telephone via what are known as adult chat lines. Phone sex operators may use suggestive language, role-play, sexual confessions, and real or simulated masturbation with customers.
Web Cam Worker
A web cam worker performs sexual acts online, such as role-playing, striptease, masturbation, ejaculation, urination, BDSM, or other fetishes. He or she performs before a camera with the content displayed on a website that customers pay to access. On many sites, web cam workers may engage with clients in a chat room while they are performing. Web cam workers may perform alone, with a sexual partner, or with other performers (i.e. duos, orgies, circle jerks). Many adult web sites are geared towards particular themes (i.e. amateurs, fetishes, age, ethnicity and/or sexual orientation).
Sex Worker / Escort / Courtesan
A sex worker directly provides agreed upon sexual services in exchange for money or other payment.
Street-based Sex Worker
A street-based sex worker finds and/or serves his or her clients outside. Many cities and communities have specific areas (called strolls) where outdoor workers can be found. Sometimes these are strategic locations where, for example, there is a lot of traffic, convenient places for a client (or john) to pull over, or in the vicinity of a target market. However, often times they are forced work in dark, isolated and/or industrial areas to reduce their visibility to police and other community members.
Escort Service Worker
An escort service worker is a sex worker who traditionally only visits clients on an "out call" basis, meaning the worker would attend the patron's residence or hotel room for the encounter. Escorting may or may not include sexual contact, however, the client generally expects that sex will occur. Escort service workers are sometimes employed to travel with their clients on vacations or business trips or to accompany them for dinner or to an office party.
Independent Escort
An Independent Escort is a sex worker who does not work for an escort agency, massage parlour, or health enhancement center, but works as a sole proprietor or free agent. An independent escort may entertain clients in their home while some rent other locations such as studios or hotel rooms, as a work site. An independent escort may or may not do outcalls or travel with clients.
Massage Worker/ Health Enhancement Center Worker
A massage or health enhancement center worker is a sex worker who works in a retail or licensed business establishment on an "in-call" or on-site basis. Sex or full service is not always provided but a body massage followed by sexual release in the form of a hand job is generally expected. The level of contact is usually the choice of the worker with a wide variety of work environments ranging from fantasy rooms to beauty parlours exist.
Escort Service
An escort service or agency is a sex industry business that is intended to enable sex industry clients and workers to meet safely on an ‘out-call' basis. An escort service traditionally provides advertising, security in the form of a driver, a call back service in the form of a booking girl, and access to the business owner's regular clientele. An escort service covers its costs and makes a profit by collecting a percentage of the escort worker's hourly wage.
Massage Parlour/ Health Enhancement Center
A massage parlour or health enhancement center is a sex industry business that operates as a retail or licensed business establishment on an "in-call" or on-site basis. The business traditionally provides a secure work environment, advertising and access to the business owner's regular clientele. A massage parlour or health enhancement center business covers its costs and makes a profit by collecting a percentage of a worker's wage or by charging a fee for the use of an on-site room where services are performed.
Glory Hole Worker
A glory hole worker is a sex worker who, for a fee, provides sexual services anonymously through a hole in a wall or door. Some glory hole workers erect false walls in the entrance of their residence where the client enters, inserts his penis through the wall and receives sexual service. Others establish a more discreet location such as a public bathroom. A glory hole worker may perform, fellatio (BJ), a hand job, or full service however fellatio is generally expected. A glory hole is an anonymous and safe work environment and is generally run by independent sex workers.
Transgender Sex Worker
Transgender sex worker is a broad term that refers to any individual selling sexual services whose gender expression (physical, emotional, spiritual) differs from their biological or genetic gender. Transgender sex workers may choose to alter their appearances as a personal expression, feeling that they have been born into the wrong physical body and/or may do so in order to appeal sexually to a customer's specific fantasy or fetish.
Hustler
Hustler is a slang term often used by men to characterize their involvement in sex work, however, not all hustlers are sex workers. A hustler can be anyone who works freelance for themselves to make fast money in order to survive. Hustlers are typically clever, cunning, quick-witted and develop a keen sense of street smarts. Some classic examples of a hustler are pool sharks, card tricksters and sleight-of-hand artists.
H.U.S.T.L.E.R. as an acronym sums it up well and may stand for- 'How U Survive This Life Everyday...Resourcefully'.
Chapter Two - Our Co-Workers and Associates
This chapter focuses on managing relationships with coworkers. For more information about being a sex industry coworkers, see Chapter 13 - For Our Co-workers.
The following are examples of people who work as non-sex industry workers in the sex industry:
Agency Owners
Agents
Bar Managers/Owners
Bartenders
Booking staff
Bouncers
Cab Drivers
Cinematographers
DJ's
Drivers
Film Editors
Fluffers
Hair Stylists
Make-up Artists
Massage Girls
Photographers
Porters
Security
Servers
Shooter girls
Videographers
Webmasters
many workers are in and around the sex industry and need rights and protection
Thanks for detailing that susan it is useful.
Thanks unionist for the explanation.
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What about issues surrounding addiction, and other mental health problems, that often stem from childhood sexual abuse? Vancouver physician. Gabor Mate, in his downtown, east-side practice, claims that virtually all of his drug-addicted patients have suffered some form of childhood sexual abuse. He goes on to say that these same people, who are now criminalized, are being victimized, a second time, by the same justice system that removed many of them from abuse as children. See: In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, Gabor Mate, M. D. (2008).
What about issues surrounding addiction, and other mental health problems, that often stem from childhood sexual abuse? Vancouver physician. Gabor Mate, in his downtown, east-side practice, claims that virtually all of his drug-addicted patients have suffered some form of childhood sexual abuse. He goes on to say that these same people, who are now criminalized, are being victimized, a second time, by the same justice system that removed many of them from abuse as children. See: In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, Gabor Mate, M. D. (2008).
I'm concerned about that aspect of sex work as well. The percentage of women "in the business" that were sexually abused as children is extremely high even if percentages reported vary. That percentage most likely overlaps with the numbers of street kids and drug addicts. PTSD and mental illness is a frequent outcome for kids that have been abused, or homeless, or drug addicted from a young age. As a society we failed them, betrayed them, in their formative years.
It seems very cynical to say okay, now that you have turned 18, we are going to "respect" your "choice" to provide men with sexual services because now that you are 18 you can get paid to be abused. As a direct result of child abuse they are ill-prepared for normal work so is this a genuine choice on their part? Sure they will say yes, nobody made me do it, but they also say in large numbers, 90% or higher, that they want to stop. It's almost as though the child abuse is an appreticeship for their "career" once they reach adulthood. At least for this segment of the population giving them decriminalization as a solution is legitimizing their abuse, telling them that men have a right to buy sexual services. It is a further confirmation by society that women's bodies are a product.
Dear Infosaturated, you make a good point about the danger of legitimizing abuse through good intentions. But I was thinking more along the lines of a harm reduction strategy similar to that at Dr. Mate's clinic on Vancouver's downtown, east side. Perhaps designated 'safe sites' for solicitation, similar to those for i.v. drug users, may help mitigate the problems of sex workers practicing their trade in residential areas. I think the point is not to make a value judgement about the activity itself, or the people involved, but to provide a space that can be monitored, by the community, for the safety of all concerned. It is important to note that decriminalization in not tantamount to de facto legalization, for it does not sanction the activty, so much as it attempts to regulate it, in order to reduce its hamful effects. I'm by no means an expert on this, and any particular concern needs to be worked out by the community and the sex workers themselves. Are 'red-light' districts the answer? In my view, each community should be free to decide for itself, while acting within the law.
take a look at www.livingincommunity.ca a city wide iniative i sit on the steering committee of. it recommends cooperatively run safe work space and our industry association. gabor mate is a great man and has an incredible insight.
about street level sex worker or more specifically survival sex work as some of us have defined it on occassion. addiction is a symptom of complex post traumatic stress disorder. now trauma takes many forms. such as my friend who comes and works withbme is 58 years old. she has been a sex worker for 44 years and sonce about 1990 on the street. many people describethe STES as a war zone and i submit to you it is the front line of the prohibition war and because of ghettoization of services all people needing supports for cptsd end up in the same community.my friend has been in the war zone for 19 years and a sex worker longer than i have been alive. the second world war lasted 6 years...to put it in perspective.
we held a series of workshops ad consultations in this regard with the support of the
Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
www.bccec.wordpress.com
Background BCCEC
The BCCEW was formed out of two regional meetings of women in and from the sex industry in 2002 and 2003. Renamed the BC Coalition of Experiential Communities (BCCEC), members include men and women from across the province who have over 30 years combined experience in advocacy, research, service delivery and management, and well over 50 years experience in all facets of the sex industry. Members have founded, operated or significantly contributed to eight sex worker organizations including the BC Coalition of Experiential Men. Mandate: The B.C. Coalition of Experiential Communities works to inspire experiential leadership toward the elimination of oppressive systems and forces that create harm within the sex industry.
It was identified during the BCCEC "Confronting Bad Dates: Research, Collaboration and Action to Reduce Violence against Survival Sex Workers project" that:
These issues led to Victim Services attendance at the Confronting Bad Dates March 2007 multi-stakeholder meeting and later collaboration on victimization issues among sex workers.
With financial support from the Ministry of Public Safety and Solicitor General, monumental alliances were built and sex workers had access to training from a leading professional psychologist in the area of Post Traumatic Stress.
Additionally, sex workers and community organization staff members peer reviewed "The 411" a document created by the BCCEC, based on literature developed by the Ministry of Public Safety and Solicitor General.
Activities
War Zone
1: a zone in which belligerents are waging war; broadly: an area marked by extreme violence
2: a designated area within which rights of neutrals are not respected by a belligerent nation in time of war.
Recommendations and Next Steps
Information provided by the psychologist was in direct conflict with practices and policies of the Ministry of Public Safety and Solicitor General. For example, PTSD was noted as being cumulative however those who experience violence over long periods of time and who access Victim Services for compensation or counselling must link their trauma to one incident at one particular time.
In order to recognize PTSD among sex workers and provide them with the counselling and support they require, more research needs to be done to define the disorder among sex workers. With empirical evidence, advocacy initiatives influence policies that currently exclude our most vulnerable members from the services they desperately need;
A series of focus groups/work shops which engage all stakeholders will work to identify gaps, increase awareness of complex PTSD, increase understanding of factors contributing to PTSD amongst sex workers, and create a strategy which can be embraced by the systems responsible for caring for sex workers that ensures the problems of the past are addressed and eliminated.
end of report.How to work within abstinence based funding environments
WCCSIP
With all of the information emerging about the symptoms of PTSD, addiction as a coping mechanism and the dangers associated with interrupting people's coping mechanisms, it's difficult to find ways to ensure no harm within abstinence based funding environments. "Get clean" or off of drugs to receive support policies are compounding emotional harm for trauma survivors and are in direct conflict with the recommended treatment for such injuries. If you interrupt a person's coping mechanisms before they are ready to deal with their injuries, their emotional stability becomes at risk, their symptoms could escalate and at the very least their recovery will be seriously impeded.
Some programs have found a way to by pass abstinence based approaches by including treatment of "relapse". Instead of cutting off support because a person has relapsed into addiction and "used", the reasons for the relapse are examined and addressed. New coping strategies and alternatives to self harm can be implemented/ suggested and over time these will help to limit exposure to emotionally triggering environments preventing or at least lessening future relapses.
So, yes "get clean" but with attention to relapse. This way funding for addictions treatment becomes available and still respects the symptoms of trauma survivors. I have included a tool for trauma survivors to map triggers and begin to self monitor in the handout's at the front as well as a sheet detailing some alternatives to self harm you may find effective when providing support.
Physical contact- should be a last resort- touching/man handling the victim's of violent crimes can further traumatize them. Members shared how being grabbed or restrained triggered them and contributed to their lack of trust in the systems designed to protect them. The explosive rage and extreme passion of trauma survivors when triggered can be difficult. Monitor their safety but maintain your distance. Restraining a trauma survivor during an episode can prolong the event and make their recovery from it longer and more difficult. Only in the most extreme cases should physical restraint be employed.
Over prescribing feeds addiction and under prescribing forces people to seek other ways to supplement prescriptions. Both situations are difficult and could result in harm to a trauma survivor. Too much and we are enabling, too little and people will take risks (like work in the dangerous street trade) to fill their needs. Try to remember this and see each individual case for what it is then with potential outcomes I mind asses what treatment/ prescription to employ
There is a tendency to blame the victim in these situations. A person who has been abused repeatedly is sometimes mistaken as someone who has a "weak character." Because of their chronic victimization, in the past, survivors have been misdiagnosed by mental health providers as having borderline, dependent, or masochistic personality disorder. When survivors are faulted for the symptoms they experience as a result of victimization, they are being unjustly blamed.
Awareness is key here. Make yourselves familiar with symptoms and treatment. When a person understands their symptoms better, they can become less fearful of them and better able to manage them. By recognizing the effects of PTSD and knowing more about its symptoms, a person is better able to make decisions regarding treatment.
Researchers hope that a new diagnosis of complex PTSD will prevent clinicians, the public, and those who suffer from trauma from mistakenly blaming survivors for their symptoms and misdiagnosising the survivors of trauma.
TriggersTriggers are things that cause physical, mental or emotional changes within a trauma survivor such as certain smell, sound, place, or person. Generally symptoms and feelings become more intense and survivors may avoid thinking and talking about trauma-related topics because the feelings associated with the trauma are often overwhelming. They may use alcohol and substance abuse as a way to avoid and numb feelings and thoughts related to the trauma. Survivors may also engage in self-mutilation and other forms of self-harm.
Coping Mechanisms in PTSD
Coping mechanisms can also be described as Survival Strategies. These strategies have been utilized by survivors in the past, or they are using them at present to help numb the pain of the abuse. They are also used to control feelings, which may threaten to overwhelm survivors. Survivors may have experienced or are presently experiencing problems associated with drugs, alcohol, food/eating, and/or self-injury.
i also so read about the children of holocaust survivors they display a distinct set of symptoms including engaging in high risk behaviour or other forms of self harm in an effort to hurt themselves so they may empathize with their parent and say to that parent " i understand, i also have pain". when combined with the residential schools disaster, high numbers of first nations women and youth being on the street takes on a different context, which is not my area of expertise so i will not pretend it is.
in terms of sex workers forced to work at the dangerous, some workers were never abused or assaulted until being forced to work outside due to a lack of jobs and constant destabilization of industry. our CPTSD is caused by uninformed actions as i descibe all throughout my posts. blaming sex workers for the symptoms of societies oppression is not going to help. we need zero barrier supports for casualties of the prohibition war.
remember, street sex work only maes up about 10% of the industry and i don't doubt numbers like 90% have been abused. through understanding ghettoization, trauma,segregation( our children are taken and we are seperated from our "abusive men" as if we are unable to have relationships or be part of a family...) the contagious nature of trauma and i believe the assertions of 85% chilhood sexual abuse and 90% abused amongst street workers. what did we think would happen to all the children affected by the failure of child and family services to protect them and in some cases expose them to even more harm? or the victims of a priests 20 year swath of sexula abuse? these children don't just evaporate...cause and effect.
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i would also like to say infosaturated, i have a grade 12 education. i learned about policy from a sex worker org and shear blundering in meetings with policy makers over the last 6 years. education is reserved for the rich. and by that i mean if you have an education you are rich, more opportunities, people consider your voice valid,less barriers....know what i mean?
i apologize to, to everyone about my typing...i am using a donated computer with no h button and sometimes other letters don't seem to work either....dang it!!i have to copy and paste every h!!!
also, sex workers don't support"red light districts". we feel it will further seperate us from the mainstream community and make us a target that is easy to find. also, sex workers don't feel it will work to adress issues around the street level trade. the strongest worker will still take over the best corner and if competition is to much workers will inevitably move away from the red light area in order to try to make money. once a worker moved away from the designated area this will mean no security and working in isolated areas as we already see. so no reall impact on safety for sex workers.
we would like to see businesses treated as any other business and operating in areas zoned for commercial, industrial, etc ...not residential clearly howeve independent escorts aready operate from home and we would also like to see that supported....1 or 2 indy escorts working together...
again we must all try to sit down and negotiate the terms of decriminalization. together i believe we can come with a plan that respects all experiences, protects [people working i the sex industry and adresses socieies issues with trafficking, exploitation of youth, street entrenched workers and ways to try to stabilize the casualties of societies failings....workers entrenched in addiction.
for me, abolition is a political and moral goal and is an honorable idea. but perhaps we should be moving towards education of men, not destabilizing sex workers and putting them at risk. educating men whom since at least 6000 BC- as seen in the oldest piece of writing on the planet- whore of babylon story- have had access to sex workers.
abolitionists can continue to work towards their goal but in a way that does not put peoples lives at risk....we must try to stop the slaughter
New Zealand decriminalized:
Inspector Gary Knowles of the Christchurch police argues that there has been a noticeable rise in the number of underage street prostitutes since the introduction of the new legislation.It is reported that girls as young as 12 have been found on the streets, sought mostly by men wanting unprotected sex.
ECPAT NZ23 reported in 2004 that ‘most child prostitutes come from backgrounds of sexual abuse, drug-taking, and family dysfunction’
....16 clients of prostitutes under 18 years have been convicted since the introduction of the Act in June 2003/between June 2003 and December 2005.
Copeland estimates that the number of men that have purchased underage girls is in the thousands.
A South Auckland Maori community worker estimates that 80% of the women involved in street prostitution are Maori or Polynesian.
http://www.iwraw-ap.org/resources/pdf/39_shadow_reports/New_Zealand_SR_C...
This vision we are sold, by the very wealthy sex industry, of young women who simply want to be left alone so they can earn their living the way they want to is a mirage. That is not the truth of the life of most prostitutes but don't take my word for it.
Women who speak for working prostitutes claim that ex-prostitutes are lying or that they just don't share the same experience as ex-prostitutes are describing. But ex-prostitutes say that is not true, that they are painting an accurate picture of prostitution as a whole, not just their own experience of personal exploitation.
It is not possible for both to be right. They are not simply different impressions or viewpoints on an industry.Ex-prostitutes are not presumptous feminist prudes trying to cramp the style of women who are still in the business. Why on earth would they do that? Why would they care? Why would they lie?
Just in case that link won't work:
http://tinyurl.com/yhrjrlw
YOU BE THE JUDGEWe support Allan Young challenge of Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which would allow prostitutes to apply their "TRADE" indoors. The bottom line prostitution has been around for centuries. Why not give prostitutes the best chance to apply their legal TRADE in a place they consider safe the same as we do for drug addicts providing them crack pipes and needles to conduct their illegal activity. If prostitution was legal indoors they could protect themselves with body guards of surveillance cameras and more apt to call police for assistance when their safety is in danger. There would be less prostitution on the city streets and kids/public wouldn't be subjected to dirty needles or used condoms. Let's be REAL here Prostitution will never go away and a large percentage of sexual acts is between two consenting adults behind closed doors for money.
Well it seems the City of Ottawa and other municipalities across Canada have jumped the gun and started selling "ADULT entertainment BODY RUB PARLOUR" licences back in 2005 and Nations Capital "The City of Ottawa" issued 32. GEE I wonder what they are selling and what is happening in these ADULT BODY RUB PARLOURS when ONLY 18 + are allowed to enter the premises. A LOT of the public don't really know what these license's entails.
http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/occ/2005/09-14/epsc/ACS2005-CPS-BYL-0028.htm
" "adult entertainment establishment" means any premises or part thereof where goods, entertainment or services that are designed to appeal to erotic or sexual appetites or inclinations or body-rubs are provided and includes adult entertainment parlours, adult entertainment stores and body-rub parlours
How can a Municipality SELL these licenses when they clearly conflict with the criminal code section 210 of the Bawdy House Law? This is definitely "BIZZARE". When a parlour owner buys this licences and renews it every year what did they think they we buying when it talks about Adult Entertainment Establishment BODY RUB to cater to an erotic or sexual appetites. In MY opinion the municipalities are living off the avails of prostitution since 2005. We think that this challenge should be judged on facts outlined and leave the moral issues out of a court room.
Susan Davis.....KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks judge!!!!
happy thanks giving everyone!!
The information provided by YOU BE THE JUDGE seems to invalidate the claim that women are getting killed by johns and pimps BECAUSE these men's practices are made illegal. With at least 32 fully-licensed and advertised brothels operating in Ottawa alone, it is clear that indoor prostitution is available for both prostitutors and the prostituted. Yet the killings go on, e.g. Kelly Morisseau). In Montreal, women with direct experience in prostitution tell us that outdoor prostitution provides more money than indoor practice (trough rapid turnover of clients) to women whose addiction or pimp requires many hundreds of dollars a day. This would not end if johns and pimps were made legal. There would imply be more pimps and johns - and more trafficking to feed that demand. (And that is not a "morality argument.)
Closing for length. Maybe we can continue with this ongoing thread.
Edited to add, I see I linked to a thread in the feminism forum. Maybe it makes that this could be fairly discussed as both a labour issue and a feminism issue seperatly, as long as people can be midful of the distinction when posting.