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Yet another gay Republican outed

Doug
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Perhaps it really should only be a story when we discover that one of them isn't gay, as in the case of South Carolina's current governor. Apparently this is not the case for the man who would replace him.

That's where flamboyant blogger with bulge of bias Mike Rogers toe taps in. He lubed his way into the national consciousness by bringing down idyllic Senator Larry Craig and wise-as-a-whip Representative Mark Foley. This week he has accused 40-year old Lt. Governor André Bauer of secret homosexual tendencies. But Bauer has an absolutely fabulous record defending the rights of families and Christianity. He has loudly opposed Homosexual Marriage, Homosexual Sodomy and Homosexual Adoption. He has profoundly defined marriage as between straights only. Not only that, but he has pushed for the words, "I BELIEVE" and the Christian Cross on South Carolina license plates, fought tax hikes and supported free-market capitalism at every turn.

So this all begs the question, does the accusation of one or two wrong-headed and furtive man-on-man encounters actually make you gay? Couldn't it be a mistake? If you have a great record fighting against the gays, doesn't it cross out a few moments humping a younger man against the wall of some hotel room?

http://christwire.org/2009/09/if-youre-a-fantastic-pro-family-republican-does-one-or-two-same-sex-encounters-really-make-you-gay/

 

The link's to a parody site because it's amusing, but the story's real.

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bagkitty
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Doug... maybe he was conducting "research"? Cut the guy a break, he may have been trying to introduce a "scientific" approach which would require some "empirical" evidence to support his positions on how depraved "the gays" really are. This of course would lead me to observe that he doesn't really understand the numbers behind statistical studies. One or two (furtive) man-on-man encounters is hardly a representative sample...

(where is the "I laughed so hard I gagged" smiley?)


Stargazer
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Joe.My.God had a good post about this today:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/

 

Scroll down a bit. He actually got a reply from the ChristWire people.

 


Call me Dave
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I don't think that I will get a chuckle at this man's expense.   Being caught in his double life will cause him and his family no end of suffering and of course jeers from both the right and the left...  It is a tough thing to believe something but to have a compulsion to do something else. 

Same thing as preachers that are caught with "Escorts"...  People, by nature do not live up to our own standards.  Hypocritical?  Yes!  Human?  Absolutely!


bagkitty
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Dave: your conscience is too tender. If Bauer had not been in a position of exercising power over LGBT people (or is that putting the boot to us -- I sometimes get confused as to what is exercising power and what is simply beating somene down) I could see your point. As it is, I will look on indulgently at people as they have fun at this asshat's expense. Ridicule is an effective tool when engaging someone who is unwilling or unable to subject their belief (your term) to rational examination -- doubly effective when they use their public position (be it a legislature or a pulpit) to put the boot to my community. He chose the arena, we are responding with the best tools available to us.


Stargazer
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That's it in a nutshell bagkitty.


bagkitty
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Interesting experiment for those with the stomach for it. Go to the attached link, and play the first audio piece.

 

Right here

 

Realizing what we are dealing with is the first step into being able to discuss whether the tactics we use are "in bounds" or not.


Tommy_Paine
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Like Dave, I'd rather this was all not part of the public domain.  I'm sure there's things I do in private that would raise an eyebrow or two here, or anywhere. 

Least ways if I'm doing those things right.

Wink

However, it's the types like Larry Craig and now this unfortunate fellow that bring this stuff into the public domain themselves.   They run on a certain platform-- one might say panders to a certain platform-- that takes shots, and passes judgement on the private lives of others.

 


Doug
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Call me Dave wrote:

I don't think that I will get a chuckle at this man's expense.   Being caught in his double life will cause him and his family no end of suffering and of course jeers from both the right and the left...  It is a tough thing to believe something but to have a compulsion to do something else. 

I most certainly will keep laughing at him. He's no innocent victim. He's been using his assumed status and privilege as a straight family man to harm other gays and lesbians.


Stargazer
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How is that legal? I am referring to the audio. That is full on domestic terrorism.


bagkitty
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Tommy_Paine wrote:

Like Dave, I'd rather this was all not part of the public domain.  I'm sure there's things I do in private that would raise an eyebrow or two here, or anywhere. 

Least ways if I'm doing those things right.

Wink

However, it's the types like Larry Craig and now this unfortunate fellow that bring this stuff into the public domain themselves.   They run on a certain platform-- one might say panders to a certain platform-- that takes shots, and passes judgement on the private lives of others.

[emphasis added by bagkitty]

 

Well Tommy, there is taking shots and passing judgement and then there is:

taking shots and passing judgement, and taking shots, and passing judgement, and taking shots and passing judgement.

Now I don't want to go all professionally indignant on you, but there is a distressing tendency amongst a lot of "progressives" to kinda retreat behind concerns about etiquette when talking about the tactics the LGBT communities uses in responding to asshats like Bauer. While this concern about manners is preferable to the great cone of silence that an even larger number of progressives retreat into when anything other than the topic of same sex marriage is raised, some of us still find it a little galling. Again, I don't want to take you to task for this personally (I loves painting in BROAD strokes), but I really think you should give a little thought to the connection between pandering politicians and preachers trying to roll back any advances we have made and the audience they are pandering to... and the real nature of the taking shots and passing judgements their consituencies and congregations are wont to indulge themselves in.

 

 


bagkitty
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Stargazer wrote:

How is that legal? I am referring to the audio. That is full on domestic terrorism.

Well Stargazer, I think that the asshat has a pulpit to speak from makes it a matter of religious rights, which we are all aware tend to trump all other rights. I believe the common expression would be that they are a "sacred cow".


SparkyOne
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Imagine, if you will, a world. A world where what two people do in a bedroom remains their busisness and their buisness only.

 

Seperate church and state IMGO


Stargazer
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A Sacred cow that should be killed asap before someone from that nutbar's congregation decides to go on a killing rampage.


bagkitty
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SparkyOne... again, this is not personal, and I don't mean to use you as an example.... but

There is something incredibly "liberal" about your posting, postively Trudeauesque circa 1967. And while some might argue Trudeau was a progressive in 1968, that was more than 40 years ago. While a bedroom is definitely larger than most closets (hey I have seen H&G TV and now know there are "closets" larger than my entire dwelling), I think the current goal is for us to be able to walk around in public and congregate in front of the local convenience store and stuff like that without having people take shots and pass judgement (see above for examples) on us. The current goal would be for us to have the same right to public space and equal legal treatment under the laws of the lands. We have not yet reached the point where we are seeking special rights.... that is still under "New Business" on the agenda.


Sineed
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Stargazer wrote:

Joe.My.God had a good post about this today:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/

 

Scroll down a bit. He actually got a reply from the ChristWire people.

It was satirical, Star.

Quote:
...Your leather-clad persona surely is a fearsome sight to behold and I pray for the mothers and families in your community who quiver at the mere mention of you. Do you care one iota for your neighbors? Probably not, when you engage in all night sex raves with that awful club music. I'm sure many a neighbor has wanted to call the police on you but was too afraid to be labeled a "homophobe" by the thought officers now running this country (or to see the herd of naked hairy Village People-styled men shepherded out of your dwelling in front of the glare of police lights and news cameras for curious children to witness from their bedroom windows.)

*snip*

You clearly could not support yourself writing such filth for the dozen or so homosexuals out there who aren't lurking on Craig's List or Man Hunting.com for some virile young man to pounce on like a pack of deranged dogs thrilled by the scent of innocence and Dove soap, new Nikes and a tank top. Oh you are disgusting.


In love and prayer,

I didn't get it at first either; as I read it, I thought, this is the hippest Christian I've ever come across.  


Stargazer
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Sineed, serious? Ha, I was fooled pretty good then. Embarassed


SparkyOne
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Uhh, Bagkitty, are you saying you liked my post or you didn't?


bagkitty
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SparkyOne wrote:

Uhh, Bagkitty, are you saying you liked my post or you didn't?

 

Well SparkyOne, I have given it quite a bit of thought, and have come to the conclusion that I really don't want to commit to one side or the other. Part of my not wanting to commit is that it is not a terribly long post.... just long enough to "spark" all sorts of things... but sparking can be good, it can cast a little light on the baggage we are carrying -- albeit briefly.

When I read your post in a particular light, it is the "liberal" position about the state (and let us hasten to add the church) having no place in the bedrooms of the nation (Trudeau circa 1967). But, and here is where the baggage is revealed, I am of an age to remember how the debate was phrased in terms of the need to be a tolerant society (that whole "just" society thing came later). Now don't get me wrong, its opposite (intolerance) is something I find very distasteful. However I am not convinced tolerance itself is really a virtue. To me it is just a wee bit arrogant to use the word tolerance in relationship to other people. I agree with Lillian Hellman when she talks about having an ambivalent relationship with the word tolerance (although in the 1979 afterword to her autobiographical piece "Scoundrel Time" she spells this out much more clearly than in the linked interview, alas I cannot find the afterward online). When the majority community talks about tolerance there is always that echo of a suggestion that we are somehow being forgiven for some bad behaviour. Indeed, the attempt at humour in the first sentence of post #6 by Tommy_Paine is based on the the idea that there is something a little less than proper, something that might best "be kept private", something that might be, to at least a limited degree, shameful.

Of course your post was a rather short one and, I recognize that I might be reading this whole "tolerance" concern of mine into it. But there is always this nagging doubt in my mind if calls for "keeping what happens between two people" private are really neutral or if they are implying a need for tolerance, a need to "forgive" something that is less than ideal.

So if you are really interested in whether your post gets the bagkitty seal of approval, try expanding on it.... reduces the chance of my reading too much or too little into it.


Sineed
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Mark Sanford behind gay rumours around his would-be replacement?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/31/gay-blogger-andre-bauer-s_n_273...


bagkitty
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And the tactic is expanded... this time against RC clergy in response to the Catholic church's attack on extending benefits to same sex couples in Washington D.C. The readers' comments are particularly interesting.


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