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martin dufresne

(Edited for precision) According to inside info, Charest is about to call a provincial election... Quйbec solidaire intends to demand air time in televised ads and leaders debates, as Quebec legislation allows for parties who have garnered at least 5% of the popular vote in the latest contest.

[ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]

martin dufresne

(Edited for precision) According to inside info, Charest is about to call a provincial election... Quйbec solidaire intends to demand air time in televised ads and leaders debates, as Quebec legislation allows for parties who have garnered at least 5% of the popular vote in the latest contest.

[ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]

martin dufresne

(Edited for precision) According to inside info, Charest is about to call a provincial election... Quйbec solidaire intends to demand air time in televised ads and leaders debates, as Quebec legislation allows for parties who have garnered at least 5% of the popular vote in the latest contest.

[ 23 October 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]

robbie_dee

Well now I guess we'll find out.

Would Quebec Solidaire also be able to participate in the provincial leaders' debate?

robbie_dee

Well now I guess we'll find out.

Would Quebec Solidaire also be able to participate in the provincial leaders' debate?

robbie_dee

Well now I guess we'll find out.

Would Quebec Solidaire also be able to participate in the provincial leaders' debate?

robbie_dee

Well so much for that.

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QUEBEC -- Premier Jean Charest has put to rest persistent rumours about a possible fall election in Quebec in the wake of Tuesday's federal election results.

The Liberal Premier, who in the past few weeks had refused to rule out a snap election, now says he wants time to deal with the impact of the global financial crisis on Quebec.

"Our priority remains the economy," he said repeatedly on Wednesday when asked about a possible election.

Calling a vote now appears too risky for Quebec Liberals despite their strong lead in public-opinion polls and a 60-per-cent approval rating. The federal campaign showed the economic downturn was making voters nervous and unpredictable.
"No one knows for sure what to expect next from the global financial crisis, and the prospect of having a campaign sideswiped similar to what happened to Stephen Harper's Conservatives is certainly a major factor Mr. Charest had to weigh before deciding on calling an election," said Laval University political scientist Rйjean Pelletier.


Rheal Seguin, [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081017.CHAREST17/TPSt..."Charest Rules Out Snap Fall Election,"[/url] Globe and Mail, October 17, 2008.

robbie_dee

Well so much for that.

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QUEBEC -- Premier Jean Charest has put to rest persistent rumours about a possible fall election in Quebec in the wake of Tuesday's federal election results.

The Liberal Premier, who in the past few weeks had refused to rule out a snap election, now says he wants time to deal with the impact of the global financial crisis on Quebec.

"Our priority remains the economy," he said repeatedly on Wednesday when asked about a possible election.

Calling a vote now appears too risky for Quebec Liberals despite their strong lead in public-opinion polls and a 60-per-cent approval rating. The federal campaign showed the economic downturn was making voters nervous and unpredictable.
"No one knows for sure what to expect next from the global financial crisis, and the prospect of having a campaign sideswiped similar to what happened to Stephen Harper's Conservatives is certainly a major factor Mr. Charest had to weigh before deciding on calling an election," said Laval University political scientist Rйjean Pelletier.


Rheal Seguin, [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081017.CHAREST17/TPSt..."Charest Rules Out Snap Fall Election,"[/url] Globe and Mail, October 17, 2008.

robbie_dee

Well so much for that.

quote:

QUEBEC -- Premier Jean Charest has put to rest persistent rumours about a possible fall election in Quebec in the wake of Tuesday's federal election results.

The Liberal Premier, who in the past few weeks had refused to rule out a snap election, now says he wants time to deal with the impact of the global financial crisis on Quebec.

"Our priority remains the economy," he said repeatedly on Wednesday when asked about a possible election.

Calling a vote now appears too risky for Quebec Liberals despite their strong lead in public-opinion polls and a 60-per-cent approval rating. The federal campaign showed the economic downturn was making voters nervous and unpredictable.
"No one knows for sure what to expect next from the global financial crisis, and the prospect of having a campaign sideswiped similar to what happened to Stephen Harper's Conservatives is certainly a major factor Mr. Charest had to weigh before deciding on calling an election," said Laval University political scientist Rйjean Pelletier.


Rheal Seguin, [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081017.CHAREST17/TPSt..."Charest Rules Out Snap Fall Election,"[/url] Globe and Mail, October 17, 2008.

robbie_dee

Then again, sometimes a denial isn't really a denial.

Rheal Seguin, [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081023.wquebec23/BN..."Quebec Liberals hatch plans for snap election,"[/url] Globe and Mail, October 23, 2008.

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QUEBEC — Senior Quebec Liberal strategists met this week to devise a plan for a snap vote this fall over fears that a global recession could hurt the party's chances next year.

Liberal organizers have been ordered to be on high alert as strategists meet to evaluate the party's finances, the degree of readiness of riding associations, potential nominations and, more important, the pros and cons of an election so soon after a federal campaign.

“All options are still on the table. A fall election can't be ruled out just yet,” said a party organizer who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Organizers estimate that Premier Jean Charest has a two-week window to work with before it would too late to have a vote before the Christmas holidays. Liberal caucus members want an election sooner rather than later, fearing the negative political fallout of a major economic slowdown.

One possible scenario would have Mr. Charest lead the Council of the Federation economic mission to China during the first week of November and call an election immediately after his return for a Dec. 15 vote.

He was still basking in the glory of last week's Francophonie summit, for which he and Prime Minister Stephen Harper were co-hosts. The summit helped elevate his stature as he held a series of bilateral meetings with heads of states including French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The China mission would serve to enhance his image as a statesman and a national leader, capable of defending Quebec's interests at home and abroad.

He purposely distanced himself from the Tories' unpopular right-wing policies during the federal campaign, and this week at a meeting of premiers warned Ottawa against fighting the economic slump by cutting transfers to the provinces.

Another potential pre-election manoeuvre would have Finance Minister Monique Jйrфme-Forget announce new measures to deal with the economic downturn when she tables the province's economic update next week. “I have significant reserves for 2009. You will see it in the economic update,” she asserted yesterday.


Martin, what are they saying right now in Quebec?

martin dufresne

That no one knows what Charest will do. He blew up at the two opposition parties and the new President of the Assemblйe nationale two days ago after they bypassed "consultations" with the Liberals to vote in a non-Liberal President. Then he was all milk and honey the next morning. Perhaps an attempt to discredit them on the eve of an election, the way Harper did when he claimed he had to go to election because the Parliament was not collaborating with him.

martin dufresne

An important factor is that the Quebec Liberals have just picked up two MPPs when two ADQ dйputйs crossed the floor yesterday, accusing leader Mario Dumont of not listening to his party. It is expected that the right-wing ADQ will suffer a setback at the next election - as the Harperites generally did in Quebec - and that Charest and his Liberals will be the net beneficiary. They are only 17 seats away from a majority.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Here's a question, from someone who doesn't follow provincial politics much: what is the danger of giving Charest a majority? I actually thought the PQ was on the upswing, so I'm surprised to hear Charest is close to majority territory.

Unionist

[url=http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=5e0f9d10-0ce6-4... fears more raids[/url]

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He really was just having breakfast.

A Parti Quйbйcois MNA's apparently innocent decision to pull off Highway 20 in Drummondville to grab some breakfast yesterday sparked fears in the Action dйmocratique du Quйbec of a fresh raid on the party.

The hotel in which Richelieu MNA Sylvain Simard had his bacon and eggs, Le Dauphin, is next door to the one where the ADQ was holding its general council.


Keeping our fingers crossed that this turd of a party will soon be flushed.

Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture

I've driven Highway 20. Once you're past St. Hyacinthe, Drummondville [b]really is[/b] the only place to stop for a meal.

As for comparing Charest's game of coy peekaboo to Harper's, I guess the difference is that Charest never claimed to be setting a fixed election date.

Unionist

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/index.shtml]Radio Canada says election to be held December 8[/url]

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Radio-Canada a appris que les Quйbйcois iront aux urnes le 8 dйcembre. Le premier ministre Charest dit que la dйcision n'est pas prise mais que l'opposition a « mis bien des bыches dans le poкle ».

They don't cite any source.

Unionist

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081029.wqelection10... is unique:[/url]

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The opposition parties in Quebec City are joining forces in a last-ditch effort to avoid a possible provincial election in December.

The two parties have presented a motion in the national assembly calling on Premier Jean Charest not to call an election this fall.

Mr. Charest has complained the Action Dйmocratique du Quйbec and the Parti Quйbйcois are refusing to co-operate with the government.

But the leaders of both opposition parties maintain they are ready to work with the minority Liberal government if it presents a plan to reduce the impact of the current economic crisis.


toddsschneider

"Former Green leader running for PQ"

[url=http://tinyurl.com/5z93yv]http://tinyurl.com/5z93yv[/url]

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The former leader of Quebec's Green Party has switched allegiances and is running for the Parti Quйbйcois.

Scott McKay has announced he'll carry the PQ banner during his campaign in the riding of l'Assomption, in Montreal North.

McKay — an environmentalist and water specialist — said he grew disillusioned with the Greens after losing the leadership race last March ...


Unionist

Quйbec solidaire has issued [url=http://quebecsolidaire.net/files/PlanCrise.pdf]a plan to alleviate the effect of the economic crisis[/url] on Quebeckers (PDF file 544KB).

It looks good, but no time to translate it right now.

lagatta

Somebody should be translating it soon (into English and a couple of other languages).

ghoris

For the Quebec residents on the board, where does this election seem to be going? From afar it appears that the ADQ will likely slip back to third party status again and the PQ will bounce back somewhat, the question, it seems to me, is whether those deserting the ADQ flock to the PQ or divide between the PQ and Liberals, in which case one would think Charest would be on track for a majority.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

No electioneering or even election talk here, yet. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

V. Jara

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Originally posted by toddsschneider:
[b]"Former Green leader running for PQ"
[url=http://tinyurl.com/5z93yv]http://tinyurl.com/5z93yv[/url][/b]

Is Scott McKay a separatist?

viigan

Like the rest of our politicians, he's an opportunist.

genstrike

Does anyone have any idea if Quebec Solidaire might do better this election? (ie: win a seat) If I remember correctly, they almost won a seat in Montreal last time.

Unionist

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Originally posted by genstrike:
[b]Does anyone have any idea if Quebec Solidaire might do better this election? (ie: win a seat) If I remember correctly, they almost won a seat in Montreal last time.[/b]

No - Franзoise David (co-leader) came second to the PQ candidate in Gouin, but the spread was still more than 3000 votes if memory serves. It was huge, but not "almost won".

I have no clue how they'll do this time. The Green Party defection may have a negative impact on Green votes, but given where they were strong, they might just as easily go to the Liberals.

Hey Lagatta - any predictions as to QS strength this time?

[ 08 November 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]

martin dufresne

Quebec Solidaire co-leader Amir Khadir did very well in my Plateau Mont-Royal county of Mercier, coming in second to the PQ's constitutionalist, Daniel Turp. And long-time FRAPRU housing/poverty activist Franзois Saillant is running for QS in Rosemont (which isn't a vibrant progressive community, unfortunately).
What might make the difference is the inclusion or not of QS in media coverage of the campaign. Paul Power Corp. Desmarais and his Gesca empire (70% of Quebec newspapers) seem to have gone hook, line and sinker in Charest's camp with a vicious attack on Pauline Marois this Friday (leaking an internal PQ memo about her 'snobbish' image) - that was dutifully given immense air time by Sociйtй Radio-Canada that has a secret news/pundits-sharing agreement with Gesca - so it could be that their anti-PQ warfare will see fit to build up QS in order to split progressive votes.

[ 08 November 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]

toddsschneider

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Originally posted by ghoris:
[b]For the Quebec residents on the board, where does this election seem to be going? From afar it appears that the ADQ will likely slip back to third party status again and the PQ will bounce back somewhat ... the question, it seems to me, is whether those deserting the ADQ flock to the PQ or divide between the PQ and Liberals, in which case one would think Charest would be on track for a majority.[/b]

That`s it. I`m changing my vote:

"I am what I am, Marois admits"

[url=http://tinyurl.com/63kvy6]http://tinyurl.com/63kvy6[/url]

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People say she wears too many scarves or that she seems to have a lot of splashy jewellery. Others say she talks like a rich person and seems, well, a bit snobby ...

Marois said she is not fan of phony last-minute political makeovers, either. "I'm being sincere. I am not acting. I will not change my behaviour" ...

There were other points in the document, leaked to La Presse and produced by advisers who also tapped into focus groups. Marois does not give good television clips. She does not think quick enough on her feet. The lack of English is a problem. Her past record as a minister - she has held most portfolios in the government - will come back and haunt her.


martin dufresne

And of course she has this problem of toddschneider's jaws locked shut on her butt.

Pride for Red D...

There isn't much choice in this election- I'm going to vote liberal. Isn't Quebec Solidaire a separatist group ?

lagatta

Oh fer cripes sake, you're going to vote for a (centre) right bourgeois party because you don't agree with Quйbec solidaire about the constitution? Almost all the QS people I know voted for the NDP, though the latter is federalist. The election isn't a referendum.

Yes, QS stands for Quйbec sovereignty, mostly for reasons of democracy from below and self-determination, not nationalism. But it is rather obsessed with deliberation and democratic process - certainly not inclined to force an "йlection rйfйrendaire".

I know several non-sovereignists who vote QS, and at least one who has stood as a candidate for us.

wage zombie

Can people from out of province donate money to Quebec Solidaire?

Unionist

I'm a federalist, I voted (and will vote) QS, I have voted PQ and BQ (except the last federal election and byelection where I voted for Mulcair). Views on sovereignty are not the be-all and end-all. Unity is possible irrespective of such future wishes.

toddsschneider

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b]I'm a federalist, I voted (and will vote) QS, I have voted PQ and BQ (except the last federal election and byelection where I voted for Mulcair). Views on sovereignty are not the be-all and end-all. Unity is possible irrespective of such future wishes.[/b]

So is separation, even from this planet.

I did a search of the QS declaration of principles. It doesn't even mention the word Canada.

Apparently Quebec is separate already? Who knew?

Wilf Day

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b]No - Franзoise David (co-leader) came second to the PQ candidate in Gouin, but the spread was still more than 3000 votes if memory serves. It was huge, but not "almost won".[/b]

[url=http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/fr/resultats_gen.asp?bsq=Gouin&section=...'2007'&mode='n3'#resul]Good memory: 3 408. [/url]But that's only an 11% spread. A 6% swing from the PQ to the QS gives her the riding. Not "almost won," no, but "close," anyway.

genstrike

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Originally posted by toddsschneider:
[b]
I did a search of the QS declaration of principles. It doesn't even mention the word Canada.

Apparently Quebec is separate already? Who knew?[/b]


Is that surprising considering it only operates on a provincial level?

Aristotleded24

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Originally posted by toddsschneider:
[b]I did a search of the QS declaration of principles. It doesn't even mention the word Canada.[/b]

Why should it? Is there a provincial party anywhere in Canada whose declaration of principles does?

lagatta

Even if it did, "quel rapport?" as adolescents here say in French... "Rapport?"

Il y a quelqu'un ici qui cherche la petite bкte... [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

500_Apples

Oh no she wears a lot of scarves.

What nonsense.

toddsschneider

quote:


Originally posted by Aristotleded24:
[b]

Why should it? Is there a provincial party anywhere in Canada whose declaration of principles does?[/b]


Of course there is.

"Constitution of the New Democratic Party of Ontario"

[url=http://tinyurl.com/6q97fk]http://tinyurl.com/6q97fk[/url]

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The provincial Party will unite progressive people and organizations into a party democratically controlled and openly financed by its membership. It will, with all the resources at its command, extend the policies and program on a provincial level of the New Democratic Party (of Canada). It will endeavour to establish in this province a government whose object shall be to substitute economic planning for irresponsible control with all its unjust consequences and thereby to give maximum opportunity for public, co-operative, and private enterprise to contribute to the development of our province. To this end we will invite the co-operation of all persons who are dedicated to the extension of freedom, the abolition of poverty and the elimination of exploitation.

toddsschneider

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Originally posted by martin dufresne:
[b]And of course she has this problem of toddschneider's jaws locked shut on her butt.[/b]

That comment of yours must have been lost in translation.

In any case, I have been called worse things by people showing better judgment. If I have done anything wrong, I`m willing to be forgiven.

genstrike

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Originally posted by toddsschneider:
[b]Of course there is.

"Constitution of the New Democratic Party of Ontario"[/b]


The word Canada is only in there to signify its connection with the federal wing. QS does not have a federal wing, so I don't see why there would be something like "It will, with all the resources at its command, extend the policies and program on a provincial level of Quebec Solidaire (of Canada)"

lagatta

Why the cripes am I a "recent rabble rouser" on the new software?

I became "recent" once before, in 2002 if I recall, though I joined soon after the Sommet des Amériques in Québec, 2001.

toddsschneider

genstrike wrote:

quote:


Originally posted by toddsschneider:

I did a search of the QS declaration of principles. It doesn't even mention the word Canada.

Apparently Quebec is separate already? Who knew?


Is that surprising considering it only operates on a provincial level?

It would be a very pleasant surprise, indeed, if QS were both progressive AND federalist.

Or if we had a functioning provincial NDP.

I will go back to dreaming, as the provincial election is pretty well putting me to sleep as it is.  

 

toddsschneider

Nos engagements 2008 : Plateforme de Québec solidaire

http://tinyurl.com/5smkgo

"Ces engagements constituent le résultat du travail de centaines de
membres de Québec solidaire. Au terme de plusieurs mois de préparation,
les membres de Québec solidaire se sont réunis en Congrès les 1er et 2
mars 2008 pour adopter des propositions concrètes et réalisables à
court terme dans leur grande majorité. Trop nombreuses pour être
adoptées d’un seul coup, le Congrès a mandaté la commission politique
et le comité de coordination national de terminer l’adoption des
propositions. Suite à une dernière consultation des associations et des
commissions thématiques, les engagements ont été adoptés en juin 2008
lors d’une rencontre commune entre la commission politique et le comité
de coordination national."

Unionist

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081115.wqueelec1115...
Poll gives Quebec Liberals wide lead[/url]

Quote:
A CROP survey conducted Nov. 6-13 suggested Liberal support stood at 42
per cent, with the Parti Québécois at 31 per cent and the Action
Démocratique du Québec at 15 per cent.

genstrike

The prospect of the ADQ getting a good ass-kicking makes me quite happy

Unionist

In Le Devoir, five women's and family organizations condemn Mario Dumont's dirty little proposal to give $100 per month for every child that does not attend publicly-subsidized $7 per day child care.

lagatta

Glad to see that. And such a CHEAP buying off. Worse than paying a beer for a vote...

But he has les Bérets blancs onside!

Remember the Vatican Rag? Genuflect! Genuflect!

lagatta

Glad to see that. And such a CHEAP buying off. Worse than paying a beer for a vote...

But he has les Bérets blancs onside!

Remember the Vatican Rag? Genuflect! Genuflect!

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